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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: The Doctor on October 19, 2015, 08:11:02 AM
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Please have a read of my latest blog post on pressing - http://wp.me/p69Qw2-f (http://wp.me/p69Qw2-f)
Streaky
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Good read.
Can't help but wonder who the customer from a specialist retailer is. Hmmm??????
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Good stuff Streaky, though we'll be trying to guess who the test player was now!
As for the specialist cricket retailer, probably quite a few people think Pro Pressing exists. Having been to b3 a few times, I know it never has but sometimes this stuff needs to get put into a blog for people to listen.
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I think to some extent the soft and hard press thing may have come about by the "feel in the hands" you get when you rebound a ball on the new bat face. Sometimes you can just tell it's a beauty.
Great to have someone with Dr. Bacon's expertise giving us an insight.
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Please have a read of my latest blog post on pressing - [url]http://wp.me/p69Qw2-f[/url] ([url]http://wp.me/p69Qw2-f[/url])
Streaky
Brilliant post. I'm sick to death of hearing 'soft press = high performance' nonsense.
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Well said Doc! Maybe people will start listening, pretty sure the Gray Nics makers debunked this myth a few years back.
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Great insight there doc. To be honest, I had started believing this after reading about it on the forum. Glad that you cleared it up.
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Good common sense article, keep them coming please.
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Very good article. Nice to see someone telling it exactly as it is.
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We'll obviously never get a complete answer about this, but as we're on the subject, can anyone accurately speculate as to what Newbery are doing to their kudos2's? Or is it all just spin?
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I'd love to hear an actual answer, in my eyes I can't see how it isn't just a load of marketing BS.
Also, if you can press your bats better - wouldn't you do it for every bat in the first place...
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DOnt know how Newbury do it but the kudos square does have a greater rebound off the middle when you tap it up than other bats not massively but noticeable.
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DOnt know how Newbury do it but the kudos square does have a greater rebound off the middle when you tap it up than other bats not massively but noticeable.
It's not massively noticable you say...
Would you notice it at all if Newbery didn't tell you that the Kudos 2 was the only bat to benefit from their magic smoke & mirrors pressing technique?
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Interesting article Streaky. Think a lot if it is marketing. Just look at golf clubs. Always offering more distance but if you were to properly test the difference would be negligible.
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Interesting article Streaky. Think a lot if it is marketing. Just look at golf clubs. Always offering more distance but if you were to properly test the difference would be negligible.
Maybe, maybe not with golf clubs. Compare a clubs from 20 years ago to a modern one, the technology will have moved on.
I think it was the Taylormade Burner 2.0 irons that claimed to hit longer than other clubs. This was true as they were altering the angle and shaft length to the next clubs up (e.g a 4 iron Burner would be a competitor's 3 iron).
I don't think you can alter a bat's face angle and handle length
to hit the ball further, its more down to the player, whereas get a decent set of game improvement irons and you will hit the golf ball straighter (and maybe longer)
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Interesting article Streaky. Think a lot if it is marketing. Just look at golf clubs. Always offering more distance but if you were to properly test the difference would be negligible.
Bit of a geek, but love this stuff -
There was has been a lot of research in golf about a correlation to the way the ball sounds and how far you think it went. So rather than watching the ball you mind is telling that is was a great / OK / bad shot depending (delete as appropriate) on what sound it made.
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I'd love to hear an actual answer, in my eyes I can't see how it isn't just a load of marketing BS.
Also, if you can press your bats better - wouldn't you do it for every bat in the first place...
Exactly - my thoughts entirely. Might be my first article on the blog regarding technology in cricket - I'm torn between this and the honeycomb handle from Laver......
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Maybe, maybe not with golf clubs. Compare a clubs fronlm 20 years ago to a modern one, the technology will have moved on.
I think it was the Taylormade Burner 2.0 irons that claimed to hit longer than other clubs. This was true as they were alrering the angle and shaft length to the next clubs up (e.g a 4 iron Burner would be a competitor's 3 iron).
Exactly - the one thing that the old boys in the MCC have ensured is lack of (well none) technology in cricket, which means the bats of yesterday should be as good as today - I co authored an article in the Cricketer on this, which can be found here - http://wp.me/p69Qw2-M (http://wp.me/p69Qw2-M)
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Very good article. Nice to see someone telling it exactly as it is.
Thanks, hopefully more to come, although the English Language is not my strongest point!
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We'll obviously never get a complete answer about this, but as we're on the subject, can anyone accurately speculate as to what Newbery are doing to their kudos2's? Or is it all just spin?
Could you forward me on a link?
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It's not massively noticable you say...
Would you notice it at all if Newbery didn't tell you that the Kudos 2 was the only bat to benefit from their magic smoke & mirrors pressing technique?
I get what your saying
Cam Alsowhen you tap up the Kudos 2 it resonates a little different.
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Could you forward me on a link?
http://newbery.co.uk/products/kudos2-senior-handmade-cricket-bat (http://newbery.co.uk/products/kudos2-senior-handmade-cricket-bat)
It says
"Professionally pressed – just like we do for pro players."
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Could you forward me on a link?
Did you just want a link to Newberys own blurb?
http://newbery.co.uk/blogs/news/15843960-introducing-kudos2-best-cricket-bat-of-2015 (http://newbery.co.uk/blogs/news/15843960-introducing-kudos2-best-cricket-bat-of-2015)
They even use the phrase pro pressing!!
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Great read. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Doc.
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Got a query Doc - can one technically over-knock a cricket bat ??
I prefer preparing my bats for long hours but am scared each time I'll end up draining its peak. Thanks.
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Got a query Doc - can one technically over-knock a cricket bat ??
I prefer preparing my bats for long hours but am scared each time I'll end up draining its peak. Thanks.
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I tend to look at it like running a new car in, you cannot do enough but after a time it becomes pretty pointless. So I would suggest better air on the side of caution and knock more than opposed to less. I have to say however, that modern day bats need less knocking in compared to yester year, I have heard some stories about marathon knocking in.....
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Marathon knocking-in -- sounds a lot like me [emoji51]
Will try & restrict myself to 4 hrs then.
Thank you once again.
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im in the 30 min club for knocking in as get bored after that but found if I put a scuff on first its usually ok as I got it from jullian millichamp videos
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I tend to look at it like running a new car in, you cannot do enough but after a time it becomes pretty pointless. So I would suggest better air on the side of caution and knock more than opposed to less. I have to say however, that modern day bats need less knocking in compared to yester year, I have heard some stories about marathon knocking in.....
Some bats, especially those from B3, require pretty much no knocking in.... In my humble experience.
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im in the 30 min club for knocking in as get bored after that but found if I put a scuff on first its usually ok as I got it from jullian millichamp videos
I'm the other way round with this, personally I knock the bat in before applying a scuff sheet (or at least round the edges before applying one).
And I've recently been converted to the dark side, I actually like fibreglass scuff sheets
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I'm the other way round with this, personally I knock the bat in before applying a scuff sheet (or at least round the edhes before applying one).
And I've recently been converted to the dark side, I actually like fibreglass scuff sheets
We also knock in before we attach the cover.
Paul Nixon used to put 2 covers on and go and play in the nets, once he had a few sessions he used to remove the second face and then the bat was ready for play.
Fibre glass scuff sheet is becoming evermore popular with our Pro's and we now offer this as an option - it is also lighter too!
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A knowledgeable poster on this site claimed pro's don't use scuff sheets because it affects performance, what's your view on this Doctor?
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A knowledgeable poster on this site claimed pro's don't use scuff sheets because it affects performance, what's your view on this Doctor?
Ha ha
It's the start of the Australian cricket season someone has a load of bats with scuff sheets they need to sell.
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A knowledgeable poster on this site claimed pro's don't use scuff sheets because it affects performance, what's your view on this Doctor?
Not the Pro's we supply!
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Did you just want a link to Newberys own blurb?
[url]http://newbery.co.uk/blogs/news/15843960-introducing-kudos2-best-cricket-bat-of-2015[/url] ([url]http://newbery.co.uk/blogs/news/15843960-introducing-kudos2-best-cricket-bat-of-2015[/url])
They even use the phrase pro pressing!!
I think this is probably true, which is probably going to sound strange but let me explain.
I cannot guarentee this is the case but I am assuming the following - Mass manufacture of a cricket bat is a timely process, so in order to speed things up an "express press" would be developed - getting the desired effect (described here - http://wp.me/p69Qw2-f (http://wp.me/p69Qw2-f) ) as fast as possible. Where as Pro's would get the optimum press regardless of how long it takes. Also the production might be different, for example the bow may be cut in the mass manufacture- but that is a different topic for a different day.
So my guess would be that this particular bat is pressed how they press the Pro bats - taking their time / Pressed bow etc.
I would like to state that the above is an assumption only and not based on any hard factual evidence of TK's production methods.
Just to point out before I get asked - B3 press all bats the same regardless if you are in International Pro or Little Tommy using a size 1 one stripe.
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With an answer like that, then yes you are gonna get asked a question about how you guys press.
Do you press each cleft individually,testing rebound as you go? As Paul Aldred demonstrates in his video?
Or is your press set at a pre determined height and the clefts run through in batches?
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I hope Streaky doesn't mind me answering this question
'Do you press each cleft individually,testing rebound as you go?'
Having been to B3 a few times and seen the lads at work I can safely say they don't mass press clefts.
Each individual cleft is individually tested throughout the pressing process to obtain the premium performance. If you ever go to the factory you will see them constantly bouncing a ball on the cleft after every pass.
I own 3 B3's and can safely say I've never own bats that perform as good as they do.
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That's what I wanted to hear
Good lads
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really? on all of the photos i look too hard at, the Aussies seem to mostly use the fibreglass mesh sheets... [url]http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/493294318-nathan-reardon-of-the-bulls-bats-during-the-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXtC6ZstT844z1n%2f4hiDkCLsqWDuwta42RmXrCKOcWP6oDL91DiMwaNdmQ2860cF5Mg%3d%3d[/url] ([url]http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/493294318-nathan-reardon-of-the-bulls-bats-during-the-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXtC6ZstT844z1n%2f4hiDkCLsqWDuwta42RmXrCKOcWP6oDL91DiMwaNdmQ2860cF5Mg%3d%3d[/url])
When we done the kent vs aus game ,all the Aussies asked for the fibreglass sheets ! Not sure why they prefer that style ,it's a batmakers nightmare when you have to take these off!
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When we done the kent vs aus game ,all the Aussies asked for the fibreglass sheets ! Not sure why they prefer that style ,it's a batmakers nightmare when you have to take these off!
And doesn't it make repair work much messier?
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Down the years, haven't we been led to believe that every Newbery/ TK bat is pressed to perfection?
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I think this is probably true, which is probably going to sound strange but let me explain.
I cannot guarentee this is the case but I am assuming from experience the following - Mass manufacture of a cricket bat is a timely process, so in order to speed things up an "express press" would be developed - getting the desired effect (described here - [url]http://wp.me/p69Qw2-f[/url] ([url]http://wp.me/p69Qw2-f[/url]) ) as fast as possible. Where as Pro's would get the optimum press regardless of how long it takes. Also the production might be different, for example the bow may be cut in the mass manufacture- but that is a different topic for a different day.
So my guess would be that this particular bat is pressed how they press the Pro bats - taking their time / Pressed bow etc.
I would like to state that the above is an assumption only and not based on any hard factual evidence of TK's production methods but based on personal knowledge only.
Now as above i don't know this for a fact. but i think your onto a winner.
from when i visisted Rob Pack it was clear that he gets a fair few parts mades from TK to make into blue rooms that are already pressed.
However i have seen him test many of these bats and then run them again through his own press to get the perfect performance.
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With an answer like that, then yes you are gonna get asked a question about how you guys press.
Do you press each cleft individually,testing rebound as you go? As Paul Aldred demonstrates in his video?
Or is your press set at a pre determined height and the clefts run through in batches?
Each bat pressed individually and tested all the way through the pressing process. Didn't see Easbo had already replied to this thread - thanks Chris!
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@The Doctor
Regarding pressing, Do you do any short or long term testing on the bats? Or is it as your blog and then the mallet and ball bouncing?
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@The Doctor
Regarding pressing, Do you do any short or long term testing on the bats? Or is it as your blog and then the mallet and ball bouncing?
Mallet at the press and then ball once the handle has been fitted.
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Each bat pressed individually and tested all the way through the pressing process. Didn't see Easbo had already replied to this thread - thanks Chris!
Mostly playing devils advocate, but what's the difference between checking pressing with a mallet/ball and handpicking with a mallet/ball?
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I work on the same process, press individually and check with mallet and ball. Mallet can give you a harder strike to check firmness of the cleft and simulate a ball travelling where as tapping up a ball is more of a performance thing for me once handled so you get an idea of how well the ball rebounds across the blade. I press about 80-90% capacity is guess before handling and then fine tune once the handle has been fitted. I think this gives me a better opportunity to get that performance and longevity balance. Clefts always feel different when handled/Un handled
For me it depends on the mallet as some sound awful no matter how well the cleft is pressed.
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didnt know you had your own press lad!
was it easy to pick up? trial and error i would have thought?
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didnt know you had your own press lad!
was it easy to pick up? trial and error i would have thought?
Yeah had it a while now.
It was a little trial and error to start with but I just take my time and build up the pressure slowly. Find it easier to do and stops me going to far too quickly.
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Mallet at the press and then ball once the handle has been fitted.
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but why this way round? Is bouncing a ball on a handled bat a much better way of testing responsiveness?
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I use the mallet to test the firmness of the blade as I can get a better strike. I do use a ball pre handling but just to give an idea on performance. I use a ball after as it gives a better indication of performance. Plus it's fun and puts a smile on your face when it's not taking much effort to hit the ceiling, can't do that with a mallet! It's just something that works for me.
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Doc can a bat be over pressed??? the reason I asked here in Australia it is common practice for cricket specialist to press a bat at time of purchase.
It seems odd to me that the bat makers have gone to all that effort to get the press correct, then to have some part time shop assistant press the bat behind the counter.
Fortunately for me the only bats I have purchase for those retailers have been GMs ( they say they are hard pressed) which they don't re press however anything else which doesn't have a scuff sheet on gets the treatment.
Do any retailers in the UK press at time of purchase???
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Doc can a bat be over pressed??? the reason I asked here in Australia it is common practice for cricket specialist to press a bat at time of purchase.
It seems odd to me that the bat makers have gone to all that effort to get the press correct, then to have some part time shop assistant press the bat behind the counter.
Fortunately for me the only bats I have purchase for those retailers have been GMs ( they say they are hard pressed) which they don't re press however anything else which doesn't have a scuff sheet on gets the treatment.
Do any retailers in the UK press at time of purchase???
I think one retailer might Press at purchase, the thing to consider here is the manufacturers warrentee will be null and void if it gets pressed again, but I guess from a customers point of view as long as the shop takes it on the chin then it is OK. The danger of over pressing is it can lead to face delamination.
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How would the manufacturer know it had been repressed, or would they all just automatically say no to this shop because they know they do that?
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Doc can a bat be over pressed??? the reason I asked here in Australia it is common practice for cricket specialist to press a bat at time of purchase.
It seems odd to me that the bat makers have gone to all that effort to get the press correct, then to have some part time shop assistant press the bat behind the counter.
Fortunately for me the only bats I have purchase for those retailers have been GMs ( they say they are hard pressed) which they don't re press however anything else which doesn't have a scuff sheet on gets the treatment.
Do any retailers in the UK press at time of purchase???
Which retailers are those??
I discovered that one shop in aus use a press with a special made roller to round the edges as part of there knocking in, but it does not touch the face so to speak, and the face was knocked in by a knocking machine after.
Can't remember which shop that was though.
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Is that The Greg Chappel Cricket Centre?
I saw on youtube they put bats through a press to kick start their knocking in process.
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yeah GCCC is one of many in AUS which presses the bats at time of purchase, its free when the bat is purchase there or $25 for a bat brought into them.
I just think it strange you pick out a $700 bat then the shop assistant who knows nothing about bat making rolls it through the press.
Kind of insulting the bat maker, as to say he hasn't done his job right we better press it again,
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I have had a bat through the "press" in Sydney by GCCC. Infact it was Melbourne
In truth it is not a press with the force of a proper press more of a roller which rounds the edge.
It was not a industrial press at all which certainly didn't have the force of the presses bat makers have.
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That's why, when the GCCC boys offer to prepare your bat, you politely decline.