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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: uknsaunders on October 23, 2015, 02:31:55 PM
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I see NZ beat the PM XI easily, but not without grumbles over the wear on the pink ball. Described as "green" after a while by Vogues.
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From the read up it said it was swinging big under lights too, a lot of players aren't convinced so the fall out from the Test Match will be interesting!
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What's the difference between making the leather red or pink ?? Maybe they'll have to use a new ball more often than 80 overs
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We've used pink balls for three seasons now. If anything you see the ball too well. The batsmen can see the seam more easily and fielders can also see it more easily. If they want to go down this route for the spectators then I reckon an orange ball is the best compromise.
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We use Orange balls in our T20, visibility is fine but they are rock hard, much harder than the red ball. They are bat breakers.
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We use Orange balls in our T20, visibility is fine but they are rock hard, much harder than the red ball. They are bat breakers.
That's kind of my perception of pink balls. All I've seen lose colour quick, don't swing for long/at all and are rocks. Horrible to play with
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The majority of coloured balls in club cricket are hard/rubbish because they are cheap. Perhaps understandably clubs don;t want to fork out large amounts of money for T20 balls, many clubs wouldn't dream of using a red ball at the same price but somehow get blinkers on when it comes to coloured ones.
I can assure you a high quality pink/orange ball is very comparable to a high quality red one. I still think at the elite level there are subtle differences and I'm not sure what they are, or why. But for club cricket spend a little more and you'll get a decent ball, much like with red ones.
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We use Orange balls in our T20, visibility is fine but they are rock hard, much harder than the red ball. They are bat breakers.
We use the Orange ball as well, they absolutely fly off the bat!
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The pink balls I bought from Jake were really good, weren't rock hard and kept their shape and colour a lot longer than others we've used before. Think they were tiflex?
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The pink balls I bought from Jake were really good, weren't rock hard and kept their shape and colour a lot longer than others we've used before. Think they were tiflex?
We've used Tiflex for two seasons now. They weren't rocks, they were ok apart from a few were egg shaped straight from the box and you could feel a weight difference between them. Might be going back to Dukes next season.
Would like to add I bought the mangas' directly from Tiflex.
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The pink balls I bought from Jake were really good, weren't rock hard and kept their shape and colour a lot longer than others we've used before. Think they were tiflex?
Yes Tiflex mate, good balls, we use a more expensive model in red on saturdays and it is superb.
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So anyone watching?
Pink ball looks bizarre in daylight/TV and very bright. Lol.
Nz won toss and chose to bat, 4down for less than a 100 here. Just after tea.
Theres some bounce(particularly for Lyon) but ball not hooping about.
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There's certainly enough movement with the ball from what I can see
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Just turned it on had to look twice when it said it the dinner interval. Took a second to sink in it was the day/nighter.
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I saw a bit this morning Lyon was definately getting plenty of bounce, to my eyes more than normal at the Adelaide oval ,but maybe just my perception.
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Yeah, dinner break is going to take some getting used to!
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How long is the dinner break ?
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202 all out NZ...could be interesting under lights with the new ball
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How long is the dinner break ?
40 minutes.
Watched since halfway through the second session, looks like test cricket to me! Bit more in the pitch than usual Adelaide, but all is basically normal, day/night tests seem to be getting off to a good start.
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The ball definitely seems to have held up much better than the red balls used so far in this series!
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The ball definitely seems to have held up much better than the red balls used so far in this series!
They were saying on the radio that the pitch was prepared with extra grass on it to help protect the ball.
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Helloooooooo 3 day test match
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No starc!(to bowl anyway)
If Kane and Ross can get into the daylight tomorrow, and bat a while, then mcullum take off(as he is starcs bunny, and is therefore free) I reckon nz will win this in 4 days.
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Wrote that to soon......
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That 3rd umpire decision on Nathan lon was by far the worst umpiring I have seen. Gotta feel for nz - they would have 100+ ahead right now.
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That 3rd umpire decision on Nathan lon was by far the worst umpiring I have seen. Gotta feel for nz - they would have 100+ ahead right now.
Was a shocking decision! Lyon thought he was out too and was walking off
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Helloooooooo 3 day test match
Nothing wrong with a 3 day Test I reckon: a lot more exciting than the 5 day bore-a-thon that we saw in Perth...
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Yeah I'm not sure how you can say "there's a hot spot where the ball passed, but that could have been made by anything so we'll ignore that"
Interesting that the umps are 16 for 16 on reviews, I.e the 3rd umpire has always proved them right.
Some one playing with the tech here in an attempt to prove umps are the dogs b???
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Was a shocking decision! Lyon thought he was out too and was walking off
Yeah ruins the game. Aus doesn't deserve to win anymore.
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Yeah ruins the game. Aus doesn't deserve to win anymore.
What a load of crap. Its not Australia's fault that umpire, after a ton of replays and using all the tech in the book, had doubt and gave him not out. Maybe you should be wondering why a supposedly giant edge registered nothing on the snicko? Did England also deserve to not win when Broad nicked one and Aleem Dar missed the edge? Or when Khawaja was given out caught behind with zero on the hotspot? Of course not. You English have very selective memories.
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Maybe lyon has that new silicon tape on his edges that prevents snicko working........
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Anyway, this match isn't even over yet.
No have a lead of 115 and 5 wickets in hand.
Get that to 200 plus and Aussies will have to bat well to win.
This is a good good test match.
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I really like the pink ball
So much better for TV
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Maybe lyon has that new silicon tape on his edges that prevents snicko working........
I thought the silicone tape countered hotspot? I seriously doubt a number 11 would bother to go to such extreme lengths. It'd also be pretty handy for hotspot to show up for LBW no? Like what KP said back in the 2010-11 Ashes I think.
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What a load of crap. Its not Australia's fault that umpire, after a ton of replays and using all the tech in the book, had doubt and gave him not out. Maybe you should be wondering why a supposedly giant edge registered nothing on the snicko? Did England also deserve to not win when Broad nicked one and Aleem Dar missed the edge? Or when Khawaja was given out caught behind with zero on the hotspot? Of course not. You English have very selective memories.
Haha I am not English. And the answer to your question is yes, and yes...if wrong decisions turn a game around like that, then you gotta feel for the victim...whoever that is. What's wrongwith that? It's only natural, no?
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You say victim like Australia was the perpetrator. Blame the decision maker.....isn't that natural.
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You say victim like Australia was the perpetrator. Blame the decision maker.....isn't that natural.
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Blame the perpetrators, yes. And feel sorry for the victim. The aussie players are not guilty of anything...but as a neutral observer, I can decide that NZ "deserves" to win more than Aus as they were really hard done by Nigel Wrong
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Agreed on hard done by but the game isn't over yet. The entire Australian team could get wrong decisions given to them. Your comments smack of bias not a neutral observer.
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Agreed on hard done by but the game isn't over yet. The entire Australian team could get wrong decisions given to them. Your comments smack of bias not a neutral observer.
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not at all ... if it was Aus that was on the receiving end, I would have said the opposite. anyway, lets not bore the rest with our little cat fight ;)
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I really like the pink ball
So much better for TV
The setting is fantastic. Glad they went ahead with it. Full credit to Cricket Australia for taking the initiative once again. Hope other countries (esp the subcontinent teams) follow suit.
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Read my post properly. Australia STILL could be on the receiving end as the game is not over yet.
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Read my post properly. Australia STILL could be on the receiving end as the game is not over yet.
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Fair enough. I agree with you.
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Both sides bowling better, wicket is more sporting,mink ball is holding up well but it'd be nice to see it swing/seam more.
This has been a very good test match so far, only thing is no batsmen other than a superb innings by Nevill has looked to occupy the crease which is just a sign of the modern odi style batting coming through. It's at least low scoring and competitive.
More day/night and sporting wickets please ICC
Oh and that umpire who did Drs for Lyon needs to be relieved of his duties and never allowed to stand in professional cricket again, disgustingly poor decision and could cost NZ the game
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Both sides bowling better, wicket is more sporting,mink ball is holding up well but it'd be nice to see it swing/seam more.
This has been a very good test match so far, only thing is no batsmen other than a superb innings by Nevill has looked to occupy the crease which is just a sign of the modern odi style batting coming through. It's at least low scoring and competitive.
More day/night and sporting wickets please ICC
Oh and that umpire who did Drs for Lyon needs to be relieved of his duties and never allowed to stand in professional cricket again, disgustingly poor decision and could cost NZ the game
I love the new strategic element of trying to plan around the evening (better bowling conditions) sessions. Can open the door to all sorts of funky strategies - like super early declarations for one.
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I love the new strategic element of trying to plan around the evening (better bowling conditions) sessions. Can open the door to all sorts of funky strategies - like super early declarations for one.
Yes, the game is coming alive in that session. This test is good fun, shame the batsmen can't grind it out anymore so it'll end early. Much bette test than the previous ones. The last SA vs ind one was fun too
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I think a slightly less grassy track might have provided a better balance between bat and ball. Certainly good fun to see a contest between bat and ball for a change. Batting isn't easy and it shouldn't be, but its not a minefield like Nagpur and batsman can score runs.
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I think a slightly less grassy track might have provided a better balance between bat and ball. Certainly good fun to see a contest between bat and ball for a change. Batting isn't easy and it shouldn't be, but its not a minefield like Nagpur and batsman can score runs.
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It's not as bowler friendly as the ashes wickets. Would be nice to see a bit more seam around though
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One of the australian player summed it up in the press conference - "With all the technology there and still one can't get a decision ... " - Very well said ...
DRS or not, lyon's wicket is a tricky situation for an umpire. I have umpired in T20 games and there are certain instances where i have been in splits about a decision. They are international standard umpires but that doesn't mean they won't have doubts. Since Lyon walked as a sign of accepting the dismissal, the umpires should have taken the players call and left it at that.
@uknsaunders => Nagpur is done. Can we forget it now :) ??
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It's not as bowler friendly as the ashes wickets. Would be nice to see a bit more seam around though
I think a slightly less grassy track might have provided a better balance between bat and ball. Certainly good fun to see a contest between bat and ball for a change. Batting isn't easy and it shouldn't be, but its not a minefield like Nagpur and batsman can score runs.
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Can't keep you guys happy.
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I think the ball has moved around enough.
There is enough grass on the track to assist the bowler, which you all have been screaming for, and to also keep the ball in good condition.
In Aus we traditionally have hard, dry, fast bouncy tracks unlike in England where you have green tops. Of course the ball is going to swing more and last longer in these conditions.
Unfortunately guys we can't have every pitch in the world suit your style of cricket... Even though you need as much help as possible ;)
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The term whinging pom didn't invent itself number4.
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One of the australian player summed it up in the press conference - "With all the technology there and still one can't get a decision ... " - Very well said ...
DRS or not, lyon's wicket is a tricky situation for an umpire.
And it was offset by Warner being dismissed on a no-ball. True cricket that, bad decisions almost always offset each other :) I'm really worried about SMarsh's innings so far, Aus selectors always look for a reason to pick that hack. Loving the pitch, I think a few have been unstuck by the fact it isn't a road, like every other pitch in the country. Glad to see bowlers getting a bit of help.
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Iv not seen much of this match, but very unusual to see a match in Aus with no team scoring above 250 odd in any innings, looks like the pink ball swings a bit in the night time from the odd bit of highlights iv seen.
I guess anyway to give you Aussies a bit of hope may make the next ashes series closer lol, only joking
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Iv not seen much of this match, but very unusual to see a match in Aus with no team scoring above 250 odd in any innings, looks like the pink ball swings a bit in the night time from the odd bit of highlights iv seen.
I guess anyway to give you Aussies a bit of hope may make the next ashes series closer lol, only joking
It was a green wicket, not a road like usual. They were saying its the first time in 25 years that a both first innings totals at Adelaide were under 250.
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S Marsh has secured his place in this team for another year. Here comes a year of failures just like the rest of his career
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So what's the verdict on this for those that have been watching and Aussie public?
Commentators seem to like it from what I've heard
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I think the ball has moved around enough.
There is enough grass on the track to assist the bowler, which you all have been screaming for, and to also keep the ball in good condition.
In Aus we traditionally have hard, dry, fast bouncy tracks unlike in England where you have green tops. Of course the ball is going to swing more and last longer in these conditions.
Unfortunately guys we can't have every pitch in the world suit your style of cricket... Even though you need as much help as possible ;)
No complaints at all about this test or the wicket. I was thinking more about how to manage their balance between bat and pink ball in future. I think it's been far more I interesting than Perth.
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Pressure of a land mark gets to marsh. Good pressure from NZ. Shame 30-40 runs short
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I'd much rather watch this kind of test than 500 plays 500
The ball seems to have done more in the air let alone the pitch than the red kookaburra
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Starc to win this at 11.......
That fielding was village bug uptick had stopped.
Good good test match this.
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So what's the verdict on this for those that have been watching and Aussie public?
Commentators seem to like it from what I've heard
I think it has been a success... But needs to be played under the right conditions too I think.
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Aus have held their nerves to cross the line. Is this only test played in day-night condition ? It was very interesting to see the pink ball behavior. Wonder how it would behave in subcontinent with evening due conditions ...
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So what's the verdict on this for those that have been watching and Aussie public?
Commentators seem to like it from what I've heard
Success, miles ahead of a 500 innings test match. Keep the wicket lively and we might see decent techniques return to test cricket.
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Now this is a test match. A true contest between bat and ball. Interesting to see the ball move as the lights start to work.
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Success, miles ahead of a 500 innings test match. Keep the wicket lively and we might see decent techniques return to test cricket.
Decent techniques return???
Negative Nigel strikes again
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Decent techniques return???
Negative Nigel strikes again
Go on then, tell me that these players aren't playing on the up? Playing away from their body? Able to handle short pitch bowling properly, the swinging ball (ashes anyone??), unable to grind out a innings in tough conditions (just look at this and the SA vs ind games and even the Indian coach said it)etc. yes, their techniques aren't as good because of 2020/odi and I don't think any sane person would dispute it.
If you want to assume it's negative be my guest, couldn't care less but please don't sit there are make out these players are. A patch on the players of previous generations. They are only good on flat tracks and fall apart when it gets tough and 50 off 150 balls is needed
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Thats the game now, its evolving, for better or worse
Love to see you get in there and block the life out of it, so you can walk away with 10 from 150 balls but at least the technique was perfect
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From what I've watched didn't think the ball did too much at all, looked like a good balance. More of these tests around the world instead of the usual Koolaburra not moving off straight on roads and maybe batsmen other than Cook/Root/Williamson will remember how to play the swinging ball again too. If it brings the numbers in to grounds and the cricket stays of high quality then fantastic.
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I have to agree for the worse
Batsmen have got used to batting on roads with crisp balls so technique gone out the window
If more tests were like this then they would have to find a way as others have done in history
Only other choice is produce roads every match get 500 plays 500 and kill test cricket
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Thats the game now, its evolving, for better or worse
Love to see you get in there and block the life out of it, so you can walk away with 10 from 150 balls but at least the technique was perfect
At least the game might last five days like a test match should rather than 3 days. If NZ had dug in second innings and two had gotm50 off 150 they would probably win..
I'm not a pro so asking me to bat is clueless. Just look at the dismissals, guptil, Taylor's drop.. Flashy one day shots
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Either side would have killed for a kallis or Dravid (not cook as it is the Aussies)
One of their classic innings would have been invaluable but no one one either side bar Williamson could play that type of knock
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Thats the game now, its evolving, for better or worse
Who on earth would want anything to evolve for the worse??
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Who on earth would want anything to evolve for the worse??
I suppose our vision of better or worse could be different though :) :)
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I suppose our vision of better or worse could be different though :) :)
Precisely that.
People prefer traditional old school test match cricket, or they enjoy the new aggressive approach. Both viewed positively or negatively depending on your own view point and preference
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Full marks to Aus and NZ for being brave enough to be the first...high class entertainment.
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Precisely that.
People prefer traditional old school test match cricket, or they enjoy the new aggressive approach. Both viewed positively or negatively depending on your own view point and preference
Nothing new about aggressive test cricket, Australian and West Indies sides in particular were playing it many years ago! Difference is they were good enough to dig in and bat out sessions when the opposition bowlers were on top. That's what the best players do, hit bowlers out of the game when it's their time but sit in and bat time when necessary, or counterattack if needed. That's why a test match lasts 5 days, so you can do both!
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Loved the field set up towards the end!
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Nothing new about aggressive test cricket, Australian and West Indies sides in particular were playing it many years ago! Difference is they were good enough to dig in and bat out sessions when the opposition bowlers were on top. That's what the best players do, hit bowlers out of the game when it's their time but sit in and bat time when necessary, or counterattack if needed. That's why a test match lasts 5 days, so you can do both!
But generally we know he modern player can't generally dig in etc, just attack. Tests as you say give you the time to do all disciplines, hence why it's reserved as the pinnacle of cricket.
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But generally we know he modern player can't generally dig in etc, just attack. Tests as you say give you the time to do all disciplines, hence why it's reserved as the pinnacle of cricket.
Current generation of test players are pretty much operating in T20/ODI mode most of the times. NZ could have easily set a target of 250 or more for Aussies if Guptill/Taylor didn't get out trying to attack. Lack of patience ! Chasing something bowled outside off-stump and getting out ... NZ bowlers lost the plot between the australian score range of 35 to 125. After getting warner and smith - back to back NZ bowlers failed to sustain the pressure. Southee and Craig leaked runs which weakened the pressure built up by Boult at the other end. S Marsh & M Marsh respected Boult and didn't attempt to attack him rather they attacked southee/craig to build a solid partnership. There was some patience and sensible thinking in their innings.
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But generally we know he modern player can't generally dig in etc, just attack. Tests as you say give you the time to do all disciplines, hence why it's reserved as the pinnacle of cricket.
Yeah that's true, dont think it's fair to blame it solely on ODI/t20 cricket though, years of overly flat pitches in tests have led to the skills needed declining. Spice the pitches up and get the ball moving more and the players will adapt. The very best can still do it, Williamson and AB particularly are capable of batting at whatever pace they choose or the game dictates.
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It's interesting that the Ind v sa match and aus v nz match both ended in 3 days one drawing negative comments about and one positive.
McCullum is pure class as a player and captain, he could understandably voice the odd gripe with decisions but never does. Both on and off the field to appears to be a great leader.