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Title: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: brokenbat on November 12, 2015, 06:05:54 AM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/cricket-all-stars-series-2015-16/content/video_audio/939923.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/cricket-all-stars-series-2015-16/content/video_audio/939923.html)

The commentators claim his wrist is completely different and it's some kind of googly. I couldn't tell myself, given the limited replay angle, but clearly bamboozled Sachin.

Any guesses as to what it was? Maybe a kind of off spinning flipper?
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: Centurion on November 12, 2015, 06:49:16 AM
Looks like a glorified straighter one. Whatever it was, it proves why saqulain was a legend.


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Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: gaurav23 on November 12, 2015, 06:49:53 AM
Sachin seemed undone more by the pace than anything else. Wasn't a doosra for sure. Ended up a flipper probably due to the thrust on the ball.


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Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: brokenbat on November 12, 2015, 07:28:26 AM
looks like it was either a flipper, or an in swinger.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: uknsaunders on November 12, 2015, 07:52:01 AM
Just a quicker ball that sachin tried to make room to cut.

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Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: StillNotOut on November 12, 2015, 08:06:03 AM
The inventer of the doosra invents the "teesra"

Looked like a quicker ball to me. Couldn't notice the wrist action the commentator was on about
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: brokenbat on November 12, 2015, 08:11:11 AM
definitely quicker...but I don't think it was a "typical" change of pace. international batsmen (especially those like sachin) can easily detect those. this one tailed in a bit and was much flatter...which is why I think it was some type of flipper - and this would also explain why the commentators were saying his wrist was "very different"
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: uknsaunders on November 12, 2015, 08:28:19 AM
definitely quicker...but I don't think it was a "typical" change of pace. international batsmen (especially those like sachin) can easily detect those. this one tailed in a bit and was much flatter...which is why I think it was some type of flipper - and this would also explain why the commentators were saying his wrist was "very different"

If we are talking about cramping batsman up by firing it in tight at leg stump then it makes Eddie Hemmings or Jack Simmons the inventor of the Teesra!

I've seen that dismissal hundreds of times in one day county cricket from the 80s. They use to bowl to 3-6 fields and the batsman use to back away and try and mow it through the offside, god knows how many times Gooch was out like this (he hit his fair share as well). Some real tosh is talked in the modern game.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: brokenbat on November 12, 2015, 08:41:12 AM
He's eligible for Eng selection...just saying...
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: mdg20 on November 12, 2015, 08:42:32 AM
Why would someone who has retired from the game waste his time developing a new mystery ball. So he can outwit clubbies  in Lashings games?? I doubt it, it's just a quicker ball.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: kdale6 on November 12, 2015, 08:44:00 AM
I'm pretty sure he calls it the teesra - what that actually means other than "the third one" i have no idea
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: uknsaunders on November 12, 2015, 08:53:36 AM
I'm pretty sure he calls it the teesra - what that actually means other than "the third one" i have no idea

It's like Warnes "Zooter" - never existed and sole purposes was to make batsman think he had something else to bowl. The Teesra is the off spin relation of Warnes "slider", basically a ball that goes straight on but you think it's going to do all sorts.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: GoldenArm on November 12, 2015, 08:56:35 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ftHu-e0t-xc

He's had this one for a long time, he calls it a jalebi and it's basically just his own version of a flipper/back spinner squeezed out from under the hand.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: uknsaunders on November 12, 2015, 09:02:10 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ftHu-e0t-xc

He's had this one for a long time, he calls it a jalebi and it's basically just his own version of a flipper/back spinner squeezed out from under the hand.

Non turning back of the hander, I think we can all bowl those  ;)
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: sgcricket on November 12, 2015, 09:05:06 AM
according to me his version of the flipper. and the commentators are right. the wrist and release is different from an off-spinner.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: brokenbat on November 12, 2015, 09:09:12 AM
Non turning back of the hander, I think we can all bowl those  ;)

it has revs on it.. thats why someone like sachin got beaten. it swerved in and skidded on to him. if it were one of our own non turning back of the handers, it would have been deposited 40 feet into the stands.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: kdale6 on November 12, 2015, 09:10:53 AM
It's like Warnes "Zooter" - never existed and sole purposes was to make batsman think he had something else to bowl. The Teesra is the off spin relation of Warnes "slider", basically a ball that goes straight on but you think it's going to do all sorts.

Cheers for that :)
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: Buzz on November 12, 2015, 09:21:43 AM
A retired Sachin misses a straight ball - but because it is Sachin - it must be a fantastic new delivery which would bamboozle any batsman in the world...

hehehe

I love Saqlain, he is a hero - but this is a massive case of over hype by the commentators
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: GoldenArm on November 12, 2015, 09:40:07 AM
Why would someone who has retired from the game waste his time developing a new mystery ball. So he can outwit clubbies  in Lashings games?? I doubt it, it's just a quicker ball.

Just because he's retired doesn't mean he stops practising his craft! My mind boggled at this comment it really did. The real master spinners never ever stop. Clarrie grimmet was working on all different kinds of flippers until he died, and guys like benaud, saqqy and warne kept on coaching, practising, mastering their arts and passing them on to the next gen. Qadir and mushie did the same. Did you see that video of warne coaching Yasir Shah? Mushie practically grabbed the ball off yasir so he could show warne how good his flipper was now because he never mastered it whilst he was still playing international cricket. These blokes do it for the sheer joy of it because cricket is their life blood.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: brokenbat on November 12, 2015, 09:43:21 AM
Also...saqi warned us before the game: https://twitter.com/Saqlain_Mushtaq/status/664540293392388096

As did Warnie, at the pre match interview.
Title: Re: Saqlain's new mystery ball
Post by: brokenbat on November 12, 2015, 10:19:52 AM
Here are a few of his pointers on the doosra...from the 7 min mark onwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_a3Y6LGpAA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_a3Y6LGpAA)