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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: Thesmiff on November 26, 2015, 08:54:54 PM
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/944579.html
Can open...worms everywhere
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Read the word "professional".
No can of worms anywhere
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The ECB is also recommending that all recreational cricketers wear helmets which meet the latest British safety standard from next season, although it has retreated from trying to make this compulsory.
So yeah, this covers it.
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Can't see it making much of a differends to be honest. Almost all pros wear lids from what I've seen and the amount of keepers standing up without a lid on is quite rare too.
Having been at Taunton when mark Boucher got hit in the eye by a bail though, I'm not sure a helmet gives a keeper total protection when standing up.
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Read the word "professional".
No can of worms anywhere
So glad I have someone to read for me.... How about the first time an England batsman is facing 2 spinners in the heat and takes his lid off ( as some did in UAE)... 12th man runs on and says sorry Alastair I know you're England captain but the ECB have just phoned pop your lid back on there's a good lad
Also it's only a matter of time that this filters down the ECB want it to but resisted for now
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1. No biggie - it's our version of the seat belt
2. But just for kicks....is there a helmet lobby? Was ECB wined and dined by reps from Masuri, Shrey et al ?
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I can't see it ever filtering down to club level as enforcement will be near impossible.
I'm curious as to how long this will last. The ECB want's to encourage participation, so if they start banning county players who stand 7.9 yards away from middle stump without a lid it will be counter productive...
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So glad I have someone to read for me.... How about the first time an England batsman is facing 2 spinners in the heat and takes his lid off ( as some did in UAE)... 12th man runs on and says sorry Alastair I know you're England captain but the ECB have just phoned pop your lid back on there's a good lad
Also it's only a matter of time that this filters down the ECB want it to but resisted for now
I don't really care, I'm never gonna play test(or professional) level, and my enjoyment of watching a test does not rely on the batsmen facing spinners in caps.
They can wear a giant chicken costume for all I care aslong as the cricket is good.
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This is going to be fun as they state it covers England games
What right and how will they make opposition keep their helmets on if they don't want to?
I would love to see an ECB rep telling Dhoni and Kholi "put your helmet back on or you are not allowed to play!!!!!!"
Do ECb have jurisdiction over all teams who play in England even in tour games with teams from different boards like in tests?
I don't think they have
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They can wear a giant chicken costume for all I care aslong as the cricket is good.
Now that's a great idea for T20. They don't just have silly names, they have to wear costumes to match! Essex Eagles v Birmingham Bears anyone :) ?
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Now that's a great idea for T20. They don't just have silly names, they have to wear costumes to match! Essex Eagles v Birmingham Bears anyone :) ?
Turn the t20s into a supersized comedy club sixes tournie? Spot on, all umpires must have a pint on their person while on the field etc too!
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Yes! This is what I imagined the USA All stars games going like haha "that's now two overs without a boundary Jim, how will the batting team cope with the Mountain Dew Multiball penalty?"
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I think they have actioned it to safeguard themselves in the event any further serious injuries or deaths in the wake of the Phil Hughes incident. They are best to be seen as being pro-active in reducing the risk of anything like this occurring again than be seen to be sitting back and ignoring the issue.
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But how will they make touring teams wear them @Ayrtek ?
Will England players abroad be made to wear them?
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2. But just for kicks....is there a helmet lobby? Was ECB wined and dined by reps from Masuri, Shrey et al ?
I'm imagining a secret dinner in the Platinum Lounge with Paul, Jake and Asad trying to grease the right palms...
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Just re read press release
everyone within 8 yards of the middle stump has to wear a helmet bar behind wicket on off side
so leg slip and leg gully now have to wear helmets?
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As an NGB do the ECB have the responsibility to all of those who play, to make the game safe to play, as a duty of care?
What if, by doing nothing, there were an incident next season where a player died and the ECB were seen to do nothing? We have a witch-hunt culture in the press and media in this country, demanding people's jobs for something far less than this. It's entirely plausable to think that a legal case could be made for negligence.
I can completely understand why they're doing it and I wouldn't be surprised if there will be little objection from the pros. Surely it's common sense?
It's not enforceable in the recreational game, in the same way you can't guarantee ambulance access to parks pitches for football and rugby games. But given the number of people on here alone that have bought stem guards, these habits will trickle down to the amateur game. In ten years time it will be a norm of the game. I genuinely don't see what the issue is...
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It's not enforceable in the recreational game, in the same way you can't guarantee ambulance access to parks pitches for football and rugby games. But given the number of people on here alone that have bought stem guards, these habits will trickle down to the amateur game. In ten years time it will be a norm of the game. I genuinely don't see what the issue is...
We are a forum full of kit badgers, I don't think you can take our buying habits as a fair reflection of all players lol
I don't expect to see that many stem guards at club level while you have to pay extra for them. However they'll likely be incorporated as part of a future helmet design, so will become standard at some point in the not too distant future I feel.
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You might see a few bits in the BBC/Sky today featuring a few products....
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@Ayrtek are your lids branded as Ayrtek again, or still Adidas and my eyes are playing tricks on me?
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Your eagle eyes may well be correct
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06pwc7q/bbc-news-at-one-27112015 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06pwc7q/bbc-news-at-one-27112015)
26.30 onwards
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Just to bring this one up again...
I remembered that the ECB has enforced all players to wear helmets that meet to the new specification (http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/ecb-announces-new-helmet-safety-measures (http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/ecb-announces-new-helmet-safety-measures) and http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/944579.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/944579.html)) but then spotted Jonathan Trott wearing an old Masuri while watching the highlights of yesterday's play.
"From next season, all male and female cricketers playing in professional cricket matches will be required to use helmets which meet the latest British Safety Standard."
"Any player who does not wear what the ECB calls "compliant protective headgear" will not be permitted to play."
Guessing that they're not enforcing it fully then..?
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/239700/239749.jpg)
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Using last season's New Balance stickers too, that Trotty clearly does what he wants!
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Slightly off topic, but I quite like the Woodworm colour scheme on Bell's kit!
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Don't think anyone tells Trotty what to do!
He's not the only one either
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There is an article in the Times about cook on this subject today.
Umpires neglected to send cook back for a legal lid... Cook won't be able to wear his "lucky" lid again...
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There is an article in the Times about cook on this subject today.
Umpires neglected to send cook back for a legal lid... Cook won't be able to wear his "lucky" lid again...
Was interesting to read that the umpires/Essex were fully aware that Cook wasn't using an approved lid, sounds like noone fancied telling the England captain he had to wear a different one. Would put decent money on him walking out wearing that lid in the first test this summer!
For those of you who don't read the Times:
Alastair Cook, the England cricket captain, should have been banned from batting for Essex this week after refusing to wear a helmet that meets new safety rules.
Under the latest England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) regulations, all male and female professional cricketers playing for England or representing their county in first and second XI matches must wear helmets with fixed grilles.
The move comes in response to a number of cases of cricketers being seriously injured by a ball bursting through the gap between the peak of the helmet and the protective grille.
Cook, however, is refusing to change from his old style of helmet to one that complies with the new standard. He began the domestic season playing for Essex against Gloucestershire in the Specsavers County Championship at Chelmsford wearing his England helmet, which had its badge taped over, rather than one with an Essex crest.
Umpires have been advised that they should not allow players onto the field if they know their helmet does not meet the new rules, although the responsibility for proactively checking whether the helmet is legal lies with the cricketer and the team management. That would put the responsibility on England to stop Cook going out to bat in the first Test against Sri Lanka next month unless he agrees to change.
His current England helmet is a pre-2013 design, which has a larger gap and an adjustable grille and has not undergone the rigorous testing as set out in the protective headgear directive issued by the ECB in November.
The regulations also state that professional cricketers have to wear a helmet when batting — even against spin — when wicketkeeping standing up to the wicket, or fielding close to the bat. It is understood the ECB and the match umpires in this week’s County Championship second division match at Chelmsford were aware that Cook’s helmet was illegal but decided not to force him to change it.
Despite being informed of the directive and the increased safety of the new helmets, Cook has refused to change for either first-class or international matches. The Times understands that at an ECB briefing to first-class counties on the new directive at the beginning of 2016, the specific issue of Cook’s helmet was raised by one county and the ECB implied he would not be changing.
The directive was issued in light of a joint review by the ECB and the Professional Cricketers’ Association of existing safety guidance after injuries to Stuart Broad and Craig Kieswetter, who had to retire as a result of eye damage caused by a ball going through the gap between his grille and helmet.
As a result of those and other incidents, new helmets must have undergone rigorous testing in relation to the gap between the top of the grille and the peak of the helmet and the resilience of the grille. It must be fixed in position rather than being adjustable as it was previously.
After the tragic death of Phillip Hughes, the Australian batsman who died in November 2014 from bleeding on the brain as a result of a ball striking the back of his head, many cricketers have decided to have a neck protector added to their batting helmet, although this is not a requirement under the new directive.
All first-class counties have bought compliant helmets for their players and have been advised to ensure spares that meet safety standards are available to their cricketers at all games. An approved Essex-branded helmet would have been available for Cook to use in this week’s match, in which he made 105 and 35 not out.
Cook wears a Gray-Nicolls helmet and the manufacturer said it had offered helmets that meet the new standards to all cricketers that it sponsors. The company said most of them had accepted the helmets with the new design, but a handful had not.
An Essex spokesman said they did not wish to comment, referring the matter to the ECB on the basis that Cook is a centrally contracted England player.
A spokesman for the ECB: “All the first-class counties have been given detailed guidance and advice on the new helmet regulations ahead of the new season.
“These regulations were drawn up after extensive consultation with the PCA and all the England players were given a further reminder of the importance of this issue earlier this week.”
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Cook defies England over banned helmet http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/cook-defies-england-over-banned-helmet-6p6vfjcqp (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/cook-defies-england-over-banned-helmet-6p6vfjcqp)
'Cook wears a Gray-Nicolls helmet and the manufacturer said it had offered helmets that meet the new standards to all cricketers that it sponsors. The company said most of them had accepted the helmets with the new design, but a handful had not.'
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Cook does what he wants
Cook does what he waaaaaaaaaants
He's England's Test Captain
Cook does what he wants
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reading this thread just smacks of the ECB not being in touch with players, unworkable rules that just un necessary
There's a new standard for helmets and safety....FINE.... phase out the old style helmets so manufaturers evolve and change their design
trying to stop players wearing a certain type of helmet smacks of some sort of authoritarian muscle flexing
why can't they work with the players on this? all they have to do is phase out the old design, ever pro in England knows there is a risk playing cricket, a risk in any sport, and they accept that.
Helmets becoming safer is a good thing, by why not work with them.
new rules and regulations only work if the players buy into it
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Mitigation of risk.
By ensuring players are wearing the latest models they are safeguarding themselves against any repercussions should the worst happen.
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I knew this would happen as I said in the other thread
There is no way they will enforce this with the big names
Can you really see the mighty castrated ECB telling Mr.Dhoni that he has to wear his helmet against spin or be asked to leave the field
I can see a few pros saying "I will wear my old helmet" after this as they cannot discipline anyone as they will be sued for victimisation
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reading this thread just smacks of the ECB not being in touch with players, unworkable rules that just un necessary
Unworkable? How is it unworkable? They get their kit for free. Don't buy the lucky helmet thing, he's worn different GN lids before, newer ones to the one he had the other day. Wouldn't surprise me if he had that lif because he didn't have any other with him at the time
http://s.ndtvimg.com/images/content/2014/jun/806/alastair-cook-england-sri-lanka.jpg (http://s.ndtvimg.com/images/content/2014/jun/806/alastair-cook-england-sri-lanka.jpg)
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I think it's a shame for kids who people may be trying to convince to switch to current helmets that the England Test Captain is not following suit, not the best role model.
But at the end of the day he is a professional sportsman and if he thinks his performance will be affected I can understand it.
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Let's be honest, it'll cease to be an issue in the not too distant future when players who prefer them run out of old helmets to wear - the amount of batting a pro does they've got to get disgustingly smelly pretty quickly! The rule is clearly aimed at reducing liability for the ECB/counties rather than forcing players to wear new lids, as Tom said.
Cook 100% wears that lid because he doesn't like the new GN version, which he tried early last year and didn't score any runs in!
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Let's be honest, it'll cease to be an issue in the not too distant future when players who prefer them run out of old helmets to wear - the amount of batting a pro does they've got to get disgustingly smelly pretty quickly! The rule is clearly aimed at reducing liability for the ECB/counties rather than forcing players to wear new lids, as Tom said.
Cook 100% wears that lid because he doesn't like the new GN version, which he tried early last year and didn't score any runs in!
that's exactly right... Cook is happy with that lid and wants that particular one, you've seen the pictures posted here of his bat being refurbed at GN-he likes that bat and wants to use it. They are cricketers just like us and their kit to them is the same as it is too us...
Cast the mind back to Jack Russell, allegedly his old hat, gloves and general kit stunk so much he changed 10 feet from anyone else.
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It doesn't bode well for the ECB that 'their man' is flat out sticking two fingers up at them and it also doesn't bode well if he is not made to change (given how the regs are written). If the club and umpires are that worried about standing up to him, where does that leave the balance of power and respect.
Youngsters looking up at a role model may question why they cannot have the same helmet as Cook.
It strikes me as kind of arrogant that Cook is not supporting the push for safer kit and the directives his employers are pushing to make it safer for everyone.
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It doesn't bode well for the ECB that 'their man' is flat out sticking two fingers up at them and it also doesn't bode well if he is not made to change (given how the regs are written). If the club and umpires are that worried about standing up to him, where does that leave the balance of power and respect.
Youngsters looking up at a role model may question why they cannot have the same helmet as Cook.
It strikes me as kind of arrogant that Cook is not supporting the push for safer kit and the directives his employers are pushing to make it safer for everyone.
Maybe he doesn't agree with the price hiking !
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maybe helmet manufacturers dont agree with having to foot the bill for redesign, tooling, manufacturing increases and testing costs!
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How about the first time an England batsman is facing 2 spinners in the heat and takes his lid off ( as some did in UAE)... 12th man runs on and says sorry Alastair I know you're England captain but the ECB have just phoned pop your lid back on there's a good lad
Also it's only a matter of time that this filters down the ECB want it to but resisted for now
Almost Nostradamus....Almost
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I think the ECB is smarter than we think... they know that enforcing this rule is not going to be possible (at least at the pro level), but the fact that wearing the safest helmet is now in the rulebook means that nobody can sue them if/when something does go wrong (assuming the injured party wasn't wearing the correct lid). they can say "look, you broke the rule, you can't sue". sounds like their legal team saw a wave of lawsuits coming, and this just preempts it. they aren't going to be d***s about forcing it at the highest level I don't think.
very much like the seatbelt rule - not always enforced.
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I think the ECB is smarter than we think... they know that enforcing this rule is not going to be possible (at least at the pro level), but the fact that wearing the safest helmet is now in the rulebook means that nobody can sue them if/when something does go wrong (assuming the injured party wasn't wearing the correct lid). they can say "look, you broke the rule, you can't sue". sounds like their legal team saw a wave of lawsuits coming, and this just preempts it. they aren't going to be d***s about forcing it at the highest level I don't think.
very much like the seatbelt rule - not always enforced.
their version of this sign
(http://www.funnysigns.net/files/honest-warning-sign-400x452.jpg)
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Alastair Cook spoken to by ECB after defying new regulations and wearing old-style helmet: skysports.tv/vvTIiL
Taken from sky sports news twitter
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Alastair Cook spoken to by ECB after defying new regulations and wearing old-style helmet: skysports.tv/vvTIiL
Taken from sky sports news twitter
eyes on this one then going forward, he could lead England out in the field......face up first ball when batting and could be asked to leave the field!!
he could even lead the team out in his old helmet just to make a point :) :)
I do wear a lid myself the vast majority of the time batting having been hit a couple of times, the level of the grille has always been important for me. Cook has his fairly wide(low), new regs I believe narrow this gap and you cannot adjust at the side.
I adjust mine the widest I can without being silly, so a ball could still get thru...but the wider setting helps me sight the ball.
I can't be the only one here understanding why Cook wants this particular lid.
or have I mis-interpreted this?
:) :)
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For every player that prefers their old lids there are many more who don't care. Root, Sanga, have changed regularly and they seem to do ok. Its in Cook's head, nothing more.
The ECB are following CA's lead. Simply, they want to minimise the risk if serious injury or death. Not eliminate, but minimise risk. I personally have absolutely no issue with that.
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Much respect to Cook for sticking it to the arrogant ECCB.
The new fixed grills are an abomination. Cook knows it.
This impasse is what happens when you allow some academics from Loughborough who don't play the game dictating it's future direction.
The players know best.
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When Cook went through his last barren patch (and he's one of those feast or famine players who seems to have had a few) I'm pretty sure he was wearing a newer version of the gray nics helmet. His return to form coincided with a return to an older model. Whether the old helmet is now a superstition thing, or the narrower gap actually affected his performance would be an interesting conversation to have with him
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Craig Keiswetter didn't know best and it cost him his career and almost his sight.
This is the ECB doing its best to prevent serious injury and death. How you can call the ECB arrogant for this I don't know.
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^ but remember, it's not paranoia if they're really after you... 😉
Gray nics will make cook a helmet that looks like the new one, but is really the old one.
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They can't, if he was to get hurt GN would go a row.
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^ but remember, it's not paranoia if they're really after you... 😉
Gray nics will make cook a helmet that looks like the new one, but is really the old one.
I had a thought about this other day
The newer helmets have a full cover over the mounts
What is to stop gn or whoever making that cover plate bigger to hide the adjustable grille to keep everyone happy?
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People do get that careers are being ended by blows to the face, right? That means that the ecb, pca are paying up insurance policies, etc. It's also the kind of stuff that puts parents off letting their kids play the game, so the governing body, the custodians of the game in this country have to be seen to do something, to be proactive.
It's not a conspiracy and in my opinion Cook has to consider his wider responsibilities as England captain and as a role model.
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I had a thought about this other day
The newer helmets have a full cover over the mounts
What is to stop gn or whoever making that cover plate bigger to hide the adjustable grille to keep everyone happy?
As they'd still need to submit the model to testing and pass the drop/penetration test in order to get a cert of compliance to accompany it, the helmet would also need to carry labelling stating its meets the 2013 standard etc which is prob something umpires will look for when checking. The helmet brand name and model once compliant would be added to the ECB/PCA list too.
Our carbon fibre helmet with air liner will more than likely walk though testing given that our entry level one has passed but we still have to submit 30 of them for testing and go through the cost/time process for each model we want to sell. Its not something you can fast track in a week as the helmets need conditioning and have to undergo tests + paperwork in the form of a technical file for each model.
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I wasn't sure umps would check in that detail
I just can't see how they can enforce it without icc approval
No point really forcing England cricketers to follow suit then visiting teams can wear what they like
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@Ayrtek why are you posting on here now, should be busy getting on the blower to Cook! Get one of yours on his head in tests and you'll be a millionaire by the end of the season ;)
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As they'd still need to submit the model to testing and pass the drop/penetration test in order to get a cert of compliance to accompany it, the helmet would also need to carry labelling stating its meets the 2013 standard etc which is prob something umpires will look for when checking. The helmet brand name and model once compliant would be added to the ECB/PCA list too.
Our carbon fibre helmet with air liner will more than likely walk though testing given that our entry level one has passed but we still have to submit 30 of them for testing and go through the cost/time process for each model we want to sell. Its not something you can fast track in a week as the helmets need conditioning and have to undergo tests + paperwork in the form of a technical file for each model.
30 of each model? Ouch.
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Yes there are 30 impacts per model for each test, times that by a junior, youth, S-L, L-XL model and it soon starts stacking up in terms of whats submitted.
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Looks like KP and FAF using compliant helmets
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A.Cook
ct someone bowled someone else for 1
wearing the new style ECB approved lid......
:)
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Odds he blames the helmet?
@Ayrtek Tom I'm smelling an opportunity here! Better vision, lighter...
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Bowled Magoffin,caught Nash.....oops
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do you think a lid make contact with the dressing room door on the way back in with a few choice words?
:o :o
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If I was Cook I would go tell the ECB to shove their new regs up their a**e, be a rebel and wear what ever feels most confident with.
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Compton in the newspaper at the weekend basically said the new helmets are rubbish, and he was deeply affected by Phil Hughes death, there roomed together and were mates at Middlesex.
Have to say( ive already had my say! :)) but I think this whole thing is a joke.
YES YES YES safety is good. But forcing professional players to wear a certain type of design they are not comfortable with is just unreal.
This is their living, this is what they do, and the players know best. If the ECB want a disclaimer signed fair enough, sign it and wear what you like, or use the new ones.
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Disclaimers have already been proposed I believe, and won't stand up legally. Has Compton been wearing one of the new ones? Him and Trott have been forgotten with all the Cook chat it seems.
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Struggle to believe that he cannot have one made to almost exactly his same current specs but that meets the new regs
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What safer? A professional facing a cricket ball at 90mph and loosing sight of the ball because he doesn't like the new helmet or wearing a helmet he has grew up wearing and learning to play the game and watching the ball the whole time? Its simple, it should be the batsman's choice what they wear, I mean they should be able to walk out and wear no helmet if they made the choice themselves.
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If I was Cook I would go tell the ECB to shove their new regs up their a**e, be a rebel and wear what ever feels most confident with.
If I was the ECB id remind him who pays him and being one of England's greatest batsmen has got **** all to do with what lid you wear. Just get on with it.
Having gone from old Masuri to a new one there is naff all difference in visibility. Players are making this far too much of an issue than it should.
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Struggle to believe that he cannot have one made to almost exactly his same current specs but that meets the new regs
In order to pass the safety test, you have to submit 30+ units to be tested and certified. Thats not really the main point though, if it was possible to have a compliant helmet that was very similar to a non compliant one, i'm sure the manufacturers would have done so.
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I don't mean to appear stupid or anything, but if the grill is adjustable can it not just be adjusted so that a ball doesn't fit through it?
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I don't mean to appear stupid or anything, but if the grill is adjustable can it not just be adjusted so that a ball doesn't fit through it?
Its not so much the grille but peak flexion that has meant brands needing to go back to the drawing board to solve the issue.
Whilst shrinking the gap so you cant push a ball through it by hand seems wise things change quite drastically when you fire a ball at 63mph at it from 0.6m away.
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Disclaimers have already been proposed I believe, and won't stand up legally. Has Compton been wearing one of the new ones? Him and Trott have been forgotten with all the Cook chat it seems.
Yep! Sneaking in under the radar with Cook getting all the fuss. Picture from today
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jonathan-trott-of-warwickshire-plays-a-shot-during-the-specsavers-picture-id522226598)
Compton is wearing a new Masuri
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/nick-compton-of-middlesex-hits-the-ball-and-is-caught-out-by-sam-hain-picture-id521847514)
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Trotty !!! we still love ya son
our rock at number 3
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Can't really tell from the pictures, but that M&H doesn't look like it's got 50mm edges...
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What safer? A professional facing a cricket ball at 90mph and loosing sight of the ball because he doesn't like the new helmet or wearing a helmet he has grew up wearing and learning to play the game and watching the ball the whole time? Its simple, it should be the batsman's choice what they wear, I mean they should be able to walk out and wear no helmet if they made the choice themselves.
Completely agree. Unfortunately, this reminds me of the stories I heard while working for the NHS of people sueing surgeons because in the act of saving thier lives, they made an incision that was an inch longer than it should have been and is now "unsightly"... You're welcome. (Completely different to medical malpractice I hasten to add)
Right minded people would accept this was thier choice. However the chance of some compo makes people think differently. "You should have stopped me" they will cry.
My own opinion? If you can make it safer, I'll wear it.
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Completely agree. Unfortunately, this reminds me of the stories I heard while working for the NHS of people sueing surgeons because in the act of saving thier lives, they made an incision that was an inch longer than it should have been and is now "unsightly"... You're welcome. (Completely different to medical malpractice I hasten to add)
Right minded people would accept this was thier choice. However the chance of some compo makes people think differently. "You should have stopped me" they will cry.
My own opinion? If you can make it safer, I'll wear it.
I'm very much in the opinion that if it's going to improve the safety of the game then I'm all for it, that's why I bought the Masuri Vision Series Elite Titanium and also added the StemGuard as well
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Ask yourself the question, would you rather have a safe lid or a broken nose/ smashed eye socket?
I have always considered myself to be an ok (not great, but decent) player of a short ball, yet still managed to top edge a quick ball through my peak and grille. I was lucky as the ball only just grazed my eyebrow.
I have played with no lid learned to play with a lid and am learning to play with a compliant lid. Anyone can do it.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgOXoGyXIAE-yjG.jpg:large)
lol
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Cricket is such a mental game at times. Some players think the new fixed grille impedes vision, so they can't bat as well wearing one. I think it goes the other way personally, if the fixed grille is safer it allows batsman to do their job with less worry/fear of a head injury.
I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best batsman in the world, so any gear that makes the game safer can only be a good thing to my mind.
Do I "need" a double bar titanium grilled Masuri with a stem guard? No.
Do I feel safer having them there "just in case"? You bet I do. If I feel safer I find I bat better (I went through a stage of not wearing a lid just after my 18th birthday and I felt exposed basically)
Ask yourself the question, would you rather have a safe lid or a broken nose/ smashed eye socket?
This is my new compliant Masuri next to last season's Albion, as I used it. I think that will answer your question.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/received_10153838722646197_zpseutsiaky.jpeg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/received_10153838722646197_zpseutsiaky.jpeg.html)
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I am sure that the England Captain as a professional player doesn't wish to be played off through significant injury. However I would suspect the bowling he is facing is different to most people on this forum, and as such if he feels that the new equipment impairs his peripheral sight enough (with the margins being significantly smaller) to effect his game, it is likely to provide its own dangers of injury. On balance given he is pretty much a model professional in all other areas, I would suspect it must be a pretty significant issue for him to be at odds with his employers, ex colleagues in management etc. All in all I would believe he would have done his utmost to have tried to adapt to the new equipment, but feels it impairs his ability and safety sufficiently to be an issue.
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All in all I would believe he would have done his utmost to have tried to adapt to the new equipment, but feels it impairs his ability and safety sufficiently to be an issue.
That's a good point. I bet he's had hundreds of hours on the machine/against net bowlers in the compliant helmet. If you don't like it even after months and months of trying it, you're never going to like it.
It's not like he's worn it twice and isn't fussed.
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Trott has said the same it seems in a telegraph article, issue is Cook is the ECB poster boy and skipper so sets an example so isn't going to fly under the radar like other county pros.
He will also be facing the 90mph + bowlers with a new cherry at test level so they will want to ensure he's protected to optimal level in the event the worst happens.
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That's a good point. I bet he's had hundreds of hours on the machine/against net bowlers in the compliant helmet. If you don't like it even after months and months of trying it, you're never going to like it.
It's not like he's worn it twice and isn't fussed.
So find one that he is happy with.
The GM one feels to me almost the same as my old style Masuri, with virtually no difference in vision. But he isn't going to wear that is he...
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So find one that he is happy with.
The GM one feels to me almost the same as my old style Masuri, with virtually no difference in vision. But he isn't going to wear that is he...
I presume GN sponsor him to use all thier kit, inc helmet. Maybe it's time to take a pay cut, and wear a Masuri...
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Which of the makes that are compliant have an adjustable grill?
None is that correct?
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Which of the makes that are compliant have an adjustable grill?
None is that correct?
I don't think that new helmets can be adjustable (or if they are all settings, including the widest one, have to meet the standards), GM and Ayrtek do a lid with a detachable grille but I think they can only be attached in one position in order to meet the new standards.
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I'm not 100 per cent sure but I'm pretty sure none are adjustable and that's what's causing the issue. cook ,Compton ,trott don't like them because they cannot sight the ball property-just about the most important part of batting.
I've said before I think this whole thing is just wrong, Cook is the best person to decide what lid he wears.there is a risk in any sport....there's less risk of getting a ball thru the gap with the new ones, more risk of getting hit if you cannot sight the ball properly. Both have risk.....
Cook can't win sometimes, especially on this forum, he wears this lid because the Ecb say so against his better judgement or he wears the lid he thinks is best,for whatever reason, and gets stick for not setting an example and toeing the party line.
It's common knowledge he is a stubborn so and so. If you are going to get stick you might as well do it your way...
:)
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Fair one chef, stand up for whats right fella. I've tried the new masuri and didn't like it so will continue to use shrey (2015 one). Am I facing 90+ nah, but I don't like the reduced visibility.. I'm crap enough as it is without losing track of the ball
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I presume GN sponsor him to use all thier kit, inc helmet. Maybe it's time to take a pay cut, and wear a Masuri...
Or an ayrtek!
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Chris Nash certainly loves the new helmets....
http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2016/content/story/1000709.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2016/content/story/1000709.html)
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Chris Nash certainly loves the new helmets....
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2016/content/story/1000709.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2016/content/story/1000709.html[/url])
Obviously did its job better than the old design, but what confuses me is that he still got scratched - I thought the new designs meant the ball couldn't get through period?
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Obviously did its job better than the old design, but what confuses me is that he still got scratched - I thought the new designs meant the ball couldn't get through period?
Maybe the force of the ball pushing the helmet back into the skin caused the scratch? I've felt the sweatband in my Masuri VS move and can feel the velcro sometimes which is quite sharp!
in other news, Jonathan Trott switched to a new lid yesterday: "I changed helmets overnight. I always had the other one with me. I probably should have worn this one last season. These are the stipulations and as long as that's clear that's fine. The new one just sits slightly differently."
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Obviously did its job better than the old design, but what confuses me is that he still got scratched - I thought the new designs meant the ball couldn't get through period?
Nothing will ever be 100% safe. The test stipulates a ball cannot be allowed to penetrate the gap up to a certain speed (i must confess i can't recall what that speed is)
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Nothing will ever be 100% safe. The test stipulates a ball cannot be allowed to penetrate the gap up to a certain speed (i must confess i can't recall what that speed is)
Yeah that's fair, at the end of the day it would've probably been a lot worse had he been wearing one of the old lids!
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Nothing will ever be 100% safe. The test stipulates a ball cannot be allowed to penetrate the gap up to a certain speed (i must confess i can't recall what that speed is)
63mph from 0.6m equivalent to 75-78mph out of the hand.
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Bet kiesetter wishes he had the option this season...
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Chef seems to have got to grips with the new style helmets
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36087714 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36087714)
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Chef seems to have got to grips with the new style helmets
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36087714[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36087714[/url])
Is it just me, or does the gap on that lid look a little on the large side for the new requirements? Especially when you compare it to the keeper's lid
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/217D/production/_89337580_rexfeatures_5657668cu.jpg)
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looks way too big for the new regs to me
Have they just made a model that looks compliant for Chef?
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Is it just me, or does the gap on that lid look a little on the large side for the new requirements? Especially when you compare it to the keeper's lid
([url]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/217D/production/_89337580_rexfeatures_5657668cu.jpg[/url])
it looks a large gap very similar to his old helmet that he has worn this season.cant tell the make of the helmet is looks like gray nichols
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It looks bigger than the masuri but just comparing it to a picture of hales wearing the same lid it looks the same size.
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Chef seems to have got to grips with the new style helmets
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36087714[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36087714[/url])
Look again...... Old helmet.. So far then, 3 innings 2 100+ and one fail.. 2 x 100 with 'old' style and a 1 with the new one..
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Look again...... Old helmet.. So far then, 3 innings 2 100+ and one fail.. 2 x 100 with 'old' style and a 1 with the new one..
Looks like a new style fixed grille helmet to me mate?
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Looks like a new style fixed grille helmet to me mate?
I'll defer to your knowledge, purely going off gap size.. Looks huge compared to the masurpoo one
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Compare it to Taylor's in this photo... I'm calling Cook special helmet!
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03498/Pak_engbats_3498240b.jpg)
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I'll defer to your knowledge, purely going off gap size.. Looks huge compared to the masurpoo one
It's a strange one. The thicker peak and fixed grille appear to be compliant, but the gap may not be.
Possibly a custom helmet for Cookie? But if anything did happen that would be a minefield
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It's a strange one. The thicker peak and fixed grille appear to be compliant, but the gap may not be.
Possibly a custom helmet for Cookie? But if anything did happen that would be a minefield
It may be a fixed grill new style( I cant tell from the pictures) but it's the gap that the issue is over. It def looks wider and more old style. That's really the crux of it...the gap to sight the ball. I know there's split opinion on this subject and ive posted a lot about it......the reason is I wear the grille same as cook and trott...there's a wide gap which a ball could techinically get thru but seeing the ball is the most important issue for me and im just an average club player.
It may be they have made a compromise with a fixed non adjustable grill just widened the gap. Hard to tell exactly until someone actually asks him-which i'm sure they will :)
don't think he likes social media thou so 'tweeting' wont work!!
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Compare it to Taylor's in this photo... I'm calling Cook special helmet!
([url]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03498/Pak_engbats_3498240b.jpg[/url])
JT is only the size of a 12 year old he probably is wearing a junior lid!
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I think its definitely a custom job with the thicker peak but the grill is the same gap as his old helmet.Also the fact there is no Essex or England embroidery on there to me makes me think its a newly rushed custom
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Ive just picked up a GN helmet and will be swiftly getting rid too, the gap is horrificly small.
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(http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/240300/240301.4.jpg)
Doesn't look too big in this one, camera angle being odd in the other shot maybe?
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I can't believe GN would risk having him in something that hadn't been tested to the regs.