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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: csnew on December 28, 2015, 09:36:38 AM
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A few South African newspapers have reported that AB will retire after this series. He's denied it but does want to reduce his workload, didn't look too convincing
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/955937.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/955937.html)
Would be a massive loss to test match cricket.
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I doubt it ... His exit would only weaken the team even more. He might opt out of keeping duties forever. That's definitely possible ...
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I think the problem is the SA management are telling him he has to keep, rather than giving him the option. When somebody doesn't listen then quitting is the next option. I'm sure they would back down if pushed, but would be far from happy about weakening the batting further. I bet they are pretty envious of England's 8 batsman at the moment, including 2 genuine all rounders.
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Morkel dismissed the reports yesterday when they asked him about ABD retiring
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Sky commentators discussing this.
Say it's because he has no rest doing all three formats for South Africa and the ipl which leaves little rest.
They too say he needs to get rid of the gloves and just concentrate on batting.
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Sky commentators discussing this.
Say it's because he has no rest doing all three formats for South Africa and the ipl which leaves little rest.
They too say he needs to get rid of the gloves and just concentrate on batting.
Agreed. Shouldn't be keeping at all. Keeping is hard work and it doesn't help his batting. Obviously with age, it's going to take its toll on the body. Certainly does need a rest.
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They say de villiers is stumping to get an extra batsmen in.
De kock, although probably not a proper test player, has just got a first class ton.
Can he not stump and bat 7 in the gilchrist/Haddin/prior role??
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I was surprised De Kock isn't playing. He can certainly bat. He could open or play lower down the order. Would help ABD massively
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I was surprised De Kock isn't playing. He can certainly bat. He could open or play lower down the order. Would help ABD massively
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This, De Kock has shown he is up to it at an ODI level, and is making FC runs too. Seems silly to have AB keep and guys like Bavuma in as a specialist batsman.
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They say de villiers is stumping to get an extra batsmen in.
De kock, although probably not a proper test player, has just got a first class ton.
Can he not stump and bat 7 in the gilchrist/Haddin/prior role??
Was going to say exactly the same.
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I believe there is fair bit of politics involved which is probably causing more disruption to top SA players. Recently published article covers a bit on that topic.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/955937.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/955937.html)
Most of the countries have certain players reserved as test specialist only. SA are probably the only team who have their main core batting line up same between ODI, T20 and test matches. May be they should rotate Amla, ABD, DeVilliers & JP between each home series. Give each guy some time off during the test series at home. This will help them manage the workload of players who are 30+ in age.
ABD could consider giving up his role in IPL as that would save him almost a month and give him a nice mid-year break.
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I believe there is fair bit of politics involved which is probably causing more disruption to top SA players. Recently published article covers a bit on that topic.
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/955937.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/955937.html[/url])
Most of the countries have certain players reserved as test specialist only. SA are probably the only team who have their main core batting line up same between ODI, T20 and test matches. May be they should rotate Amla, ABD, DeVilliers & JP between each home series. Give each guy some time off during the test series at home. This will help them manage the workload of players who are 30+ in age.
ABD could consider giving up his role in IPL as that would save him almost a month and give him a nice mid-year break.
I agree they should manage the workloads better, but I would look at the schedules and pick away series against lesser opponents to take a break in, as the home supporters will want to see their best players locally, and given the long amounts of time away yours take they could get better r&r during one I those series - extra time with family too
Also, there is no way AB is ever gonna give up the ipl. It is such a spectacle where they are idolised for a month by people in another country, and they get paid loads too! From a player perspective what is not to like?
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He might say it's the workload but it has something to do with the quota system and not being able to put the best team on the park. This South African team isn't the best one they can play.
Being forced into keeping so that the quota system is reached.
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Just saw ABD's interview on Sky. In short, he wants to play in the IPL, wants to continue playing for SA but needs a break as its taking its toll on his body
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Just saw ABD's interview on Sky. In short, he wants to play in the IPL, wants to continue playing for SA but needs a break as its taking its toll on his body
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I don't have much sympathy. If he takes the IPL money and then expects SA to do him a favour isn't he just looking after number 1? While professional sportsman have a right to earn a wage for their short careers, he isn't going to struggle and why not miss an IPL as well. At least he would show people he is serious about having a break. The problem for cricket SA is eventually he will just tell them to do one and play the t20 circuit. The ICC need to get a grip of t20 cricket and make it clear international cricket comes first. Look at the mess the Windies are in. India might not like it but all the best players need to be playing international cricket first.
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Agreed. TBH, I think he'll go down the route of only playing One Dayers and T20 for SA and retire from test but he won't make this decision until after the World Cup to ensure he isn't dropped by SA
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Do we need to pay our test players more money to take away the attraction of the big money of the ipl?... Let's face it they don't play ipl for the enjoyment... It's about money..
Gone are the days of playing for the enjoyment and satisfaction... In most forms of sport... Rugby Union is the prime example
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The issue is that cricketing boards cannot afford to pay players to what they earn in the IPL. If they attempt to do that, they'll just end up in the same situation as WIndies
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While restraint of trade is an issue, I think boards should refuse clearance for anybody wanting to play t20 instead of international cricket. If all comps are sanctioned by the governing bodies than it simply needs an agreement from all test countries to refuse clearance for anybody planning early retirement/refusing to play international cricket. Sends out a message, either retire when you are done or play international cricket until you are dropped/getting on. Even better use half of t20 wages earned as payment for international cricket ie. They don't get half their money until they complete a full year of international commitments. I think a tougher line could be taken, if all countries agreed to it.
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The reason the Windies are in the position they are is that they have about 10 players who prefer to play ipl/T20/BBL for the money. This isn't helped by the fact the WIPA reduced test match payments for players who only play the one format for WI. And the other issue is the WICB and the problems most players who refuse to play test cricket seem to have with them.
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I thought the players had agreed a pay cut in order to use money to establish a professional setup in the Windies, only to get screwed over by the players association, not the board.
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While restraint of trade is an issue, I think boards should refuse clearance for anybody wanting to play t20 instead of international cricket. If all comps are sanctioned by the governing bodies than it simply needs an agreement from all test countries to refuse clearance for anybody planning early retirement/refusing to play international cricket. Sends out a message, either retire when you are done or play international cricket until you are dropped/getting on. Even better use half of t20 wages earned as payment for international cricket ie. They don't get half their money until they complete a full year of international commitments. I think a tougher line could be taken, if all countries agreed to it.
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They could possibly include a clause in their contract to reflect. This would mean that in ABD's situation the board would have the right to terminate his contract should he wish to play IPL over international
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While restraint of trade is an issue, I think boards should refuse clearance for anybody wanting to play t20 instead of international cricket. If all comps are sanctioned by the governing bodies than it simply needs an agreement from all test countries to refuse clearance for anybody planning early retirement/refusing to play international cricket. Sends out a message, either retire when you are done or play international cricket until you are dropped/getting on. Even better use half of t20 wages earned as payment for international cricket ie. They don't get half their money until they complete a full year of international commitments. I think a tougher line could be taken, if all countries agreed to it.
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More or less each country has a separate T20 league. Caribbean premier league, BBL, IPL, Bangladesh T20, Pakistan T20 etc. May be even SL, SA, Zim, NZ also have a T20 league - i am not aware of it though. Each country has a vested interest in their t20 leagues, broadcasting rights, advertising etc. When so much money is involved, i don't think all these boards are going to agree to any compromise. If at all they agree it would be a solution where-in their T20 revenues will remain unaffected.
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The reason the Windies are in the position they are is that they have about 10 players who prefer to play ipl/T20/BBL for the money. This isn't helped by the fact the WIPA reduced test match payments for players who only play the one format for WI. And the other issue is the WICB and the problems most players who refuse to play test cricket seem to have with them.
WIPA - Wavell Hinds & WICB - Clive Lloyd are the warring clans who brought upon the downward trajectory for WI cricket. Experienced players - Bravo, Gayle, Russell, Pollard etc sided with WIPA when negotiating CBA (collective bargaining agreement) with WICB. However when Wavell Hinds went behind their back and made some changes to CBA, players lost confidence in WIPA. This was around the time when WI players withdrew from tour of India. WICB considered all this in their world cup selection and omitted certain key players. How did that help their WC chances ?
IPL/T20/BBL etc has been active even before this incident. T20 leagues provided them option to earn money. If this option wasn't available, WI players would have sought contracts to play in other leagues in UK or coaching staff etc. Basically they would have moved on to do something else.
Right now someone has to give up their ego and be a bigger man here. Either Clive Lloyd should talk to the players or players like Bravo or Gayle should stand up and speak to WICB. Players have an option to approach WICB directly and play for WI without being part of WIPA. Marlon Samuels is not part of WIPA, he still plays for WI team. Since either side doesn't want to compromise, the WI team is going to rot for a while until their youngsters gain experience and start performing.
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Back to de Villiers.
He signed a contract with mrf.
He still suing kook here. So I'd presume like others, his contract starts in January the 1st.
If so what's mrf viewpoint if he retires from either tests? Or removed the ipl from his calendar. Could they claim break of contract if he chooses to step down himself as opposed to being dropped??
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Graeme Smith said something about AB being very unhappy about being forced to keep. It's just posturing IMO. AB is in the prime of his career. Get a proper opener and keeper in and his workload will immediately been reduced.