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General Cricket => World Cricket => Pakistan => Topic started by: ScottParko on January 01, 2016, 10:36:28 AM
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Has been picked for the t20 series v New Zealand....
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His talent is undeniable but his integrity isn't. I wonder if he'll be able to cop the stick he'll get from the crowds
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Cricket has moved on alot since then he will be workibg eith psychologists to help him overcome the idiots giving him abuse.
He doesnt deserve any abuse any more he's a talented young prospect that will dominate test cricket. We have all been young and done stupid things. Im sure he regrets it!
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Probably a good thing English isn't his first language! Otherwise he'd have to be extremely mentally tough fielding on a boundary at most grounds
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In t20 cricket its unavoidable test cricket its alot easier to do so! Trott did it all the time for the bowlers
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Think it's scandalous they have picked him. All for giving someone a second chance in life but international cricket is a privilege and he blew that. Bit more than a stupid mistake it was a criminal offence and he pays the price. What sort of message does this give, yeah do it even if you get caught it's fine because if you bide your time you'll walk back in to the side. Massive slap in the face for other Pakistani cricketers who weren't greedy done everything by the book.
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He did it at a young age, anyone that was 24 or older at the time i doubt would be considered now but he is still 23! Give the kid a break, youd be desperate for the chance again knowing you were stil young enough to become a pakistani great
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Deserves all the abuse that he will get. I don't buy that he was young and served his time. Still brought scandal upon the game, and plenty of people will feel he shouldn't be allowed back in the game. Free to air their opinions, and if that involves getting stuck into him, then so be it, he made the mistake so must now deal with all it brings
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@cricketbadger im sure he will, like any offender of any crime. Do your time and then reflect on that after. Remember he's not the only one to do it... Just silly enough to get caught
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I know. Is there many others that have done something similar and are now back playing? Obviously I'm aware of Asif and Butt, but they aren't and probably won't ever return.
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The he's done the time argument doesn't cut it for me. Yes he gets a fair crack at having a life again but international sport is a privelage. There are plenty of other jobs you cant do having been to prison teacher, police officer. Doesn't mean you can't get on with your life though.
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I like to think i'm a fair bloke, but in this case there is no way he shouls be near the Pakistan side.
I don't buy all this "he was only 18" crap either. As an 18 year old he was playing cricket for his country (a dream for so many) but he threw this away by getting involved. Young or not you know right from wrong by age 18, and he abused his position as an international player by getting involved in spot fixing.
He is young enough to still make a career of cricket. Let the lying scum bag play domestic hit & giggle tournaments by all means, but after wasting his talent first time round to make some quick dishonest money he shouldn't be allowed to watch his national team, let alone playing for them!
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This a disgrace! How dare he serve his time correctly as per the rules set out!
Once time is served he should have more and more punishment attached!! We should make the rules up as we go and extend and add and change as we see fit at the time.
A disgrace I tell you.
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This a disgrace! How dare he serve his time correctly as per the rules set out!
Once time is served he should have more and more punishment attached!! We should make the rules up as we go and extend and add and change as we see fit at the time.
A disgrace I tell you.
I agree to a certain extent. He has served his time I get that.
But should he be allowed to make millions from something that he disrespected and cheated. Personally I think not and I do think it's wrong that he can still be involved at elite level for what he has done. As has been said if you make a mistake as an 18 year old whilst studying to become a teacher and go to prison you can't become a teacher.
As for becoming a great I would like to think he will never be considered a great even if he goes onto become the leading wicket taker of all time. To me he is gifted but like many say at 18 you know the difference between right and wrong and he should have said No and reported others to the team management or ICC
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Remember pakistan has a different culture to us english, they usually respect their elders alot more than most modern day 18 year olds
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He should be allowed to do whatever he wants to!
Was what Amir did wrong? Absolutely!! Was it serious in comparison to match mixing? Nowhere near as serious! It was wrong of Amir to do it, he got caught and was proved! But the guy was given an appropriate sentence. He did the crime and served the time!
He did NOT get a lifetime ban from cricket.....therefore he is within his rights to play cricket!!
I am 99.9% sure that he will not even consider doing the crime again, as he will be watched like a hawk. I am sure he has so much regret, but he can't turn the clocks back!!
And he will get some serious stick from fans when he plays, which he will just have to take on the chin I guess! That will be additional punishment that will no doubt be unwelcome but will be hard to avoid!
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Anyone who thinks he was forced into cheating is deluded, he knew exactly what he was doing and benefitted from his cheating.
The fact he is back playing international cricket again, and earning good money from it is a kick in the teeth to all to see that play the game with the integrity it deserves. He should be kicked out of the game for good.
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I did it on the Millichamp thread and take no pleasure in having to do it again so early in the new year. Lynching time.....
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Does anyone remember the significance of his no ball? And what the result of the match was?
Without looking!
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Significance nothing
Pakistan got battered, broad scored a 100.
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Apart from the single off of it, indeed it made no difference to broad smashing it around everywhere for 169 i think it was and pakistan skittled for less than 80 and 150.
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I like to think i'm a fair bloke, but in this case there is no way he shouls be near the Pakistan side.
I don't buy all this "he was only 18" crap either. As an 18 year old he was playing cricket for his country (a dream for so many) but he threw this away by getting involved. Young or not you know right from wrong by age 18, and he abused his position as an international player by getting involved in spot fixing.
He is young enough to still make a career of cricket. Let the lying scum bag play domestic hit & giggle tournaments by all means, but after wasting his talent first time round to make some quick dishonest money he shouldn't be allowed to watch his national team, let alone playing for them!
Amir opted for spot fixing at the age of 18. Any other player representing the country at the age of 18 would have been truthful and honest. I would expect cunningness to creep in as someone grows older. Having committed a sin at such a young age i am not sure if this guy has no sense of morality or is he just a hardened criminal destined to bring more disrespect to the game.
Only PCB can pull such atrocious moves. Majority of the boards won't even choose players for the probables list if they have a tarnished reputation.
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I've already had a say on the Amir situation...from what I know of the case Amir gets a second chance,I don't like what he did for one minute and to me he will always be tarnished but the ICC set the punishment,and he has served it..a bit like being jailed for a year then you get out-you have paid your dues.The level of punishment he got is always up for debate.malik and kaneria got life bans as did azar.....Amir was below their 'crimes' thou-not out and out match fixing.
Here's the thing thou with this case,if you are not from the same Country do you look at it differently?
I think I do.....if it was an England player convinced of the same would us England fans feel more betrayed and want a harder punishment than Amir got?
Interesting to think how England fans would react if one of our own got done.....
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Does anyone remember the significance of his no ball? And what the result of the match was?
Without looking!
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Not sure that should really make any difference overall.
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Why don't all you guys go after Marlon Samuels? Why is his case different? Is anyone sledging him?
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Where's the Marlon Samuel thread? Is it as current as Amir?
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Evening Gents, I've been following the forum for the past few months but felt like this topic was worth my 2 cents. A lot has been said about second chances, and while I agree that everyone deserves a second chance in life, I also feel that second chances wouldn't be needed if players knew that their actions would lead to them being banned from the game they love, for life.
Seems harsh, but if we made an example of Amir, we may just be able to stamp this sort of thing out.
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Why don't all you guys go after Marlon Samuels? Why is his case different? Is anyone sledging him?
It's been 5 years since his return, may be we forgot him :D
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Where's the Marlon Samuel thread? Is it as current as Amir?
He was banned in 2008 for passing information about match condition to a bookie during WI vs IND ODI series. Below link gives you a timeline of match fixing activities since 2000 ...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/match-fixing-anniversary/content/story/464111.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/match-fixing-anniversary/content/story/464111.html)
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Because Samuels never affected events on the field? Sport dies if it isn't perceived to be a true spectacle. Look at the tour de france, it's impossible to win it without being questioned now. Imagine how Stuart Broad felt when he found out the best innings of his life was devalued by the knowledge that the Pakistani bowlers had better things to do than concentrate on him.
Should cheats and fixers be banned for life? Yes, no doubt for me. Amir wasn't, so he'll come back, and he'll be the subject of much speculation for the rest of his career. Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake again or cricket will look foolish.
As he is coming back, hopefully the ICC will be wise enough to use him for anti-corruption causes, similar to David Millar in cycling. Millar was accepted back after doping because of the outspoken anti-doping campaigner he became, unlike others who carried on denying it and stayed under doubt for the rest of their careers.