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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: FattusCattus on January 26, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
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So - we are transported back 50 years to when they still played the Possible v Probables fixture. The current England XI with Finn fit and back in for Woakes is untouchable. what XI would you pick to take them on? Here's my effort:
Lyth
Lees
Ballance
Vince*
Ansari
Roy
Davies+
Rashid
Curran
Plunkett
Brooks
Willey (12th)
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Lyth
Carberry
Ballance
Pietersen
Bell
Robson
Buttler
Rashid
Plunkett
Wood
Onions
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So - we are transported back 50 years to when they still played the Possible v Probables fixture. The current England XI with Finn fit and back in for Woakes is untouchable. what XI would you pick to take them on? Here's my effort:
Lyth
Lees
Ballance
Vince*
Ansari
Roy
Davies+
Rashid
Curran
Plunkett
Brooks
Willey (12th)
I like this, don't think Roy cuts it though... Maybe a Billings? He can be your specialist gun fielder.
Also what about the other curran when eligible
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Would be interesting to see who made the possibles XI.
I imagine there would be some competition for a few places, with the lack of any quality spin options a bit of a concern.
Lyth/Robson/Carberry
Lees
Ballance/Bell
Morgan*/Vince*
Roy
Ansari/Patel/Dawson
Buttler+/Billings+
Willey/Curran
Plunkett/Woakes
Wood/Brooks
Footit/Topley
I imagine Rashid would be likely to get the nod too, but I'm not entirely sure where he'd fit into the side balance wise.
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Lyth
Lees
Vince
Balance
Ansari
Buttler
Rashid
Woakes
Willey
Plunkett
Footitt
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I would look to the future with a pretty young side:
1: A Lyth
2: A Lees
3: T Fell
4: J Vince
5: G Ballance
6: S Hain
7: J Buttler
8: T Curran
9: D Willey
10: M Wood
11: M Footitt
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Daniel Bell-Drummond
Ben Foakes (wkt)
Joe Clarke
Sam Curran
Stephen Davis
should all have their names in the hat too
As for Gary Ballance. He should only be mentioned when he has done a Mark Butcher and totally rebuilt his technique for international cricket. It is possible and if I were him, that is what I would have spent the winter doing. He hasn't. As a result he is off the list.
Separately this team already has a name, it is called the England Lions... and coached by the mood hoover himself...
Personally I would go with most of the Surrey side... hahahaha
Lees
Bell-Drummond
Clarke
Pieterson (surely he can be considered (!)) Ok, in his absence- Vince.
Davies
Ansari
Foakes
Curran
Curran
Wood
Footitt
One Surrey name not on the list is Jason Roy - I just feel he goes too hard at the ball for test cricket and isn't ever even going to get a go. Batting at 6 for Surrey won't be pushing his chances either...
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^ Interesting re; Ballance and I agree. Michael Vaughan on Five Live last night saying that we are over reliant on stats and averages and the Selectors need to look at highlighting players who've got that 'something' probably in a similar way that Vaughan and Tresco were picked - didn't have outstanding averages but had 'something.'
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They should still be playing this game every season, worked a treat with Lumb/Kieswetter the only time it's been done lately. Possibles team should be made up of actual realistic possibles though - sorry Carberry/Davies fans.
Lyth/Bell-Drummond
Lees
Fell
Balllance
Buttler
Ansari
Foakes
Woakes
Rashid/Curran
Plunkett
Footit
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Stoneman
Lees
Borthwick
Vince
Ballance
Ansari
Buttler
Wood
Plunkett
T Curran
Footit
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As for Gary Ballance. He should only be mentioned when he has done a Mark Butcher and totally rebuilt his technique for international cricket. It is possible and if I were him, that is what I would have spent the winter doing. He hasn't. As a result he is off the list.
Hang on, Buzz - have you seen much of Ballance this winter? He's been on tour with a host of coaches, yet you seem confident he hasn't been working on his technique?
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^ Interesting re; Ballance and I agree. Michael Vaughan on Five Live last night saying that we are over reliant on stats and averages and the Selectors need to look at highlighting players who've got that 'something' probably in a similar way that Vaughan and Tresco were picked - didn't have outstanding averages but had 'something.'
Ballance certainly 'had something' when he raced to 1,000 quicker than 660+ other players to have played for England!
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Hang on, Buzz - have you seen much of Ballance this winter? He's been on tour with a host of coaches, yet you seem confident he hasn't been working on his technique?
Balllance has publicly stated he won't be working on his technique! Big shame if he sticks to that, he's clearly got what it takes if he can adapt.
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spot on Ballance has stated he won't change.
why does he have to go to mark butcher ? Gary Palmer? why? because Buzzsaw says so ? :)
how many of the current England side average what he does in Tests(so far).
Ian Bell...best technical batsman of the last 20 years, average mid to late 30's.
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spot on Ballance has stated he won't change.
why does he have to go to mark butcher ? Gary Palmer? why? because Buzzsaw says so ? :)
how many of the current England side average what he does in Tests(so far).
Ian Bell...best technical batsman of the last 20 years, average mid to late 30's.
To be fair to Bell his Test average is about 42.
But I see your point :)
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I am using Mark Butcher as an example - he wanted to play for England, to have a long career and recognised that his technique wasn't up to it so he started from first principles of batting and changed.
A bit like Nick Faldo did.
Does it have to be Alan Butcher - clearly not - I use him as an example. Any individual has to find a coach that will work for them that they will trust and who has the right skills and ability to teach them to go that extra mile.
Hang on, Buzz - have you seen much of Ballance this winter? He's been on tour with a host of coaches, yet you seem confident he hasn't been working on his technique?
If he has changed, brilliant, he clearly has the latent talent to play international cricket successfully.
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Probables:
Cook
Hales
Compton
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Wood
Finn
Anderson
Possibles:
Lyth
Lees
Vince
Taylor
Roy
Buttler
S curran
Plunkett
Rashid
Footit
T curran
Who would win?
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They should still be playing this game every season, worked a treat with Lumb/Kieswetter the only time it's been done lately. Possibles team should be made up of actual realistic possibles though - sorry Carberry/Davies fans.
Lyth/Bell-Drummond
Lees
Fell
Balllance
Buttler
Ansari
Foakes
Woakes
Rashid/Curran
Plunkett
Footit
Buttler at 5?? Test team right ?? About 7 places to high
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Probables:
Cook
Hales
Compton
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Wood
Finn
Anderson
Possibles:
Lyth
Lees
Vince
Taylor
Roy
Buttler
S curran
Plunkett
Rashid
Footit
T curran
Who would win?
I know where my money would be!
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I know where my money would be!
I think it'd be closer than we think!!
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Probables:
Cook
Hales
Compton
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Wood
Finn
Anderson
Possibles:
Lyth
Lees
Vince
Taylor
Roy
Buttler
S curran
Plunkett
Rashid
Footit
T curran
Who would win?
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The probable a are definitely winning a timeless test with that bowling line up
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Yeah! Although with the possibles have the better spinner and a rather dynamic and fast scoring batting line up, I think it'd be interesting to see
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In my view there will be a very similar team to last summer (after all we did beat the Aussies at home and South Africa in their backyard) however I have thought of some possibles that I think could be in contention and should be considered at some point. It may seem biased as a Kent fan but I've also had a lot of opportunities to see these players play other than what we see on TV from the T20 Blast.
Probables:
1. Hales
2. Cook
3. Compton
4. Root
5.Bell
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Ali
9. Wood (if he's fit, replacement will probably be Finn)
10. Broad
11. Anderson
I don't actually mind that side tbh, I would question the long term future of the opening pair as well as Bell but overall not a bad side.
Possible additions:
Bell-Drummond
Northeast
Vince
Ballance
Lyth
Buttler
Coles (mainly ODI tbh)
Willey
Jordan
T and S Curran
Riley
There could be others but I would like to see them play a bit more myself before commenting on their chances of selection.
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Willey can't even get in the Yorkshire 4 day side so, in the nicest possible way, I hope he isn't in contention for a Test call up
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I would like to think Jake Ball would be in the possibles team rather than Sam Curran, I think Sam is too young still
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I would like to think Jake Ball would be in the possibles team rather than Sam Curran, I think Sam is too young still
Seriously? Was to young and haven't exactly done anything to warrent even being thought about as England test players.. Not just this but there are a lot of randoms being mentioned.. Willey?? Coles!! I know test cricket is poorer quality now but it's not that bad ! Wait, it is getting there with Jordan getting test caps :(
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Sam Curran got a very rude awakening to Div 1 cricket against Notts.
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Willey can't even get in the Yorkshire 4 day side so, in the nicest possible way, I hope he isn't in contention for a Test call up
I'm presuming Willey wasn't interested in the ipl due to wanting to get back to the mighty county and cement his place.
As he has yet to be selected in the first two games, I bet he's hoping for an injury call up like Jordan just got.
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no Rossington?! swear everytime i check, that lad scores runs...
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Seriously? Was to young and haven't exactly done anything to warrent even being thought about as England test players.. Not just this but there are a lot of randoms being mentioned.. Willey?? Coles!! I know test cricket is poorer quality now but it's not that bad ! Wait, it is getting there with Jordan getting test caps :(
I'm sorry being the third highest wicket takes in div 1 and being on the EPP scheme over the winter being a random choice?
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I'm sorry being the third highest wicket takes in div 1 and being on the EPP scheme over the winter being a random choice?
Wasn't lyth top run scorer or close the other year?? Didn't end well.. Leave young lads to learn how to play red ball, don't be like football and get all hyper active over them straight away
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no Rossington?! swear everytime i check, that lad scores runs...
Would be funny if you were one of the ones who said Ben Duckett should keep wicket.
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As usual, a lot of shouting of names of people about whom we know very little. Why do blokes feel the need to pretend they know so much more than they do?
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Jake Ball will at least play limited overs stuff this year.
With bowlers it's better to pick them when they're raw. Then they either adapt and get better, get injured or are simply poo.
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As usual, a lot of shouting of names of people about whom we know very little. Why do blokes feel the need to pretend they know so much more than they do?
Because it provokes irascible old curmudgeons like you to moan about it, and tell us all how it is :D
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Wasn't lyth top run scorer or close the other year?? Didn't end well...
That's why he'd be in the possibles team... To see how he'd fare against a test team. Was that not the whole point of the possibles vs probables game?
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Willey can't even get in the Yorkshire 4 day side so, in the nicest possible way, I hope he isn't in contention for a Test call up
He's being rotated with Sidebottom this season (will get more games now Sidebottom is injured). He'll take hie chance and will be an England player in a couple of years.
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Wasn't lyth top run scorer or close the other year?? Didn't end well.. Leave young lads to learn how to play red ball, don't be like football and get all hyper active over them straight away
Lyth has talent, he struggled against a top bowling line up, along with a number of other players. He's a great slip fielder and can bowl a bit too. He will be back in the selection mix either this summer or next. No-one has really set the world alight, even the mighty Joe Root could only average 38 opening the batting (but against a top bowling line-up).
I'm surprised how many are picking Lees, who's been in a run of bad form since the middle/end of last season.
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Because it provokes irascible old curmudgeons like you to moan about it, and tell us all how it is :D
Ironically, if I'd be happy if I thought that was the reason.
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I would like to think Jake Ball would be in the possibles team
Didn't some people say I was talking rubbish when I posted this?
Look how that turned out, a "mediocre" county pro made the England squad!