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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: kenbriooo on February 11, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
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So having spent a bit of time reading the proposed changes to the league i play in, presented by either the league committee or teams within the league I wondered what changes (realistically) you would make to your own league?
Personally if go for an earlier start to games.
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Fines for no swearing please teas.
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11am start
17 overs an hour or 10 run penalty for every over bowled post that
Max 14 overs per bowler but you must use 5 bowlers bowling 7 each at least
Draws (winning draw gets normal Pts but losing get 2 unless you get 75% or more of the total, then you get more
Sack off power plays, no need at amateur level
Leg side wides
Offside wides
50 overs
Tea at the end of the game
Declare first innings (or bowl Oppos out) and you get remaining overs to get the runs/wickets.. Plus, if you declare batting first under 43 overs and win you get bonus 5 Pts
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Am I imagining it or have we had this thread 3 times since the end of last season??
1 man wants is another mans hates. Any rule change will be met with critism and players lost. No rules changes will be met with critism and players lost.
Cricket is a dying game and you can change all the rules you want but imo, until it is shown on free tv(aka 2005 ashes), numbers will keep dwindling.
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Agree that poor teas need to be highlighted. My league is a straight 45 overseas each win or lose with a maximum number of 9 overs per bowler saves one bowler tying an end up all day.
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Am I imagining it or have we had this thread 3 times since the end of last season??
1 man wants is another mans hates. Any rule change will be met with critism and players lost. No rules changes will be met with critism and players lost.
Cricket is a dying game and you can change all the rules you want but imo, until it is shown on free tv(aka 2005 ashes), numbers will keep dwindling.
Something of sense from the lad :)
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Agree that poor teas need to be highlighted. My league is a straight 45 overseas each win or lose with a maximum number of 9 overs per bowler saves one bowler tying an end up all day.
9 overs per bowler?! When did that come in???
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Am I imagining it or have we had this thread 3 times since the end of last season??
1 man wants is another mans hates. Any rule change will be met with critism and players lost. No rules changes will be met with critism and players lost.
Cricket is a dying game and you can change all the rules you want but imo, until it is shown on free tv(aka 2005 ashes), numbers will keep dwindling.
Why would they, the whole of the country lives in 8 bedroom mansions just like the games administration.... Don't they?
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I'm aware thst we've had similar threads in the past, but they have mainly been about cricket as a whole, this was aimed at how you would change your league.
Some of the other suggestions for our league were to allow players in the lower divisions to swap and share players - which I think is a good idea.
Introduce fielding circles for the top 3 divisions rather than currently just the top league - I can see the reasoning behind this but divisions 2&3 don't have neutral umpires so might be hard to enforce.
Another one that I don't think will get through due to it being a logistical nightmare is making 6/8 divisions into North and South divisions. The idea is to save traveling which is a good thing but trying to organise who goes into North or South each year would be a nightmare.
One thing that my club used to suggest but never got voted through was the introduction of a bonus point each if you provided a designated umpire and or scorer for the duration of the game.
Be interesting to see how traditional or forward thinking some leagues are.
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Im actually all against limited overs per bowler, as i mentioned to smilley in another thread, i played against a guy who bowled 23 overs straight and it was actually really good to watch. Think the inly peiple that wpuld have been annoyed that day would be the other bowlers in his team.
As for league rules i think we should get rid of the horrible cards! When did we start playing football?
Oh and 11am starts yes please :) or at least 12pm latest
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Max 20% of the overs per bowler, which is coming in this season so happy there.
Legside wides, would make life so much easier.
Our rain rule is crap, was previously no change to the target but overs reduced, so if you were chasing a decent total and it rained you were stuffed. Now based on run rate, I'd prefer no change to the target but rain affected draw available if you can't chase it and bat your reduced overs out.
Bonus points - 1 point for every 20 runs up to 200, 1 point per wicket. Simple. If batting second, full points available for chasing, if under 200 then lose points if your wickets lost are worth less than 20 - eg chasing 120, 121-6(or less) gets 10 points, 121-7 9 points etc.
I'd quite like all the pitches to be flatter, quicker and bouncier! :D
So not a lot, best not to overcomplicate things!
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Max 20% of the overs per bowler, which is coming in this season so happy there.
Legside wides, would make life so much easier.
Our rain rule is crap, was previously no change to the target but overs reduced, so if you were chasing a decent total and it rained you were stuffed. Now based on run rate, I'd prefer no change to the target but rain affected draw available if you can't chase it and bat your reduced overs out.
Bonus points - 1 point for every 20 runs up to 200, 1 point per wicket. Simple. If batting second, full points available for chasing, if under 200 then lose points if your wickets lost are worth less than 20 - eg chasing 120, 121-6(or less) gets 10 points, 121-7 9 points etc.
I'd quite like all the pitches to be flatter, quicker and bouncier! :D
So not a lot, best not to overcomplicate things!
My league actually play under a similar point system.
1 point for every 10 runs from 120 (max of 10 points)
1 point per wicket
30 point max if batting first and win
30 points if all 10 wickets and chasing win
25 point if 5 wickets and win whilst chasing.
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Somerset use the system I proposed (or used to), always found it worked really well although the bonus points were a bit high compared to the points you got for actually winning. Bizarrely in the league I play in now, if the team batting first doesn't get to 200 and claim full points but isn't bowled out then the chasing side can't get full batting points whatever they do.
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Earlier Starts definitely, even though we have the usual 'earlier' starts in September/April we were still losing games to light due to starting at 2pm!
That would also help my 2nd point. Someone mentioned teas after the game. That could entice oppo players to stay in the clubhouse and having a couple of drinks in the end all clubs helping each other out in that sense. At the moment there's only one team in our league off the top of my head who stay behind for a drink or two, personally I think every club should do that to maintain the social side, the best way to help that along is to move teas to the end.
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Teas after the games a good idea
Leg side wides? No, for the simple reason, it's the umpires job
Yes I know that's a whole can of worms
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Teas after the games a good idea
Leg side wides? No, for the simple reason, it's the umpires job
Yes I know that's a whole can of worms
Majority of amateur cricket doesn't always have (or never has) neutral umpires though. Legside wides makes life so much easier, and why not? Realistically if a seamer puts it down 6 inches outside leg, it's very hard to get hold of it - and professional limited overs cricket is legside wides too, why not amateur.
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Teas after the games a good idea
Leg side wides? No, for the simple reason, it's the umpires job
Yes I know that's a whole can of worms
Leg side wides... all depends on the standard of cricket you're playing, the higher up you've got to have them. Below that you're potentially screwing up a bright young prospect because he puts 2 an over down the leg side, as a skipper in a tight run chase can you afford it?
Tea - Between innings everytime! I umpire now and believe me after standing for 3 1/2 hours I'm ready for a cup of tea and a bite or two to eat. Lay on some nibbles at the end of a game and players will stay and have a beer.
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Leg side wides is fine in 1st team but it got rolled out in 2nd XI in ours and that's a bit of nightmare tbh, you've got young lads who haven't quite got the control yet getting chopped after a couple of 8-10 ball overs and not bowling again, doesn't really do the lad any good. Fair enough if they are miles wide but we also play the marker on the off side wide which reduces the margin for error further and poor quality umpires take as gospel, if you're bowling out swingers it's way to easy to get wided on a ball that's beaten the bat.
Tea at the end is decent call, saves wheeling 14 overs off with a belly full of butties, something to soak the evenings beer up with too!
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Tea between innings might be fine for an umpire, but not much good for an opening bowler/batter or keeper
And if it encourages even in the slightest, oppos to stay a little longer, then that's got to be good for the club?
Leg side wides? I don't get it, how is it good for amateur cricket? It's not encouraging leg side shots, or bowlers to bowl inswinging Yorkers ?
If it's miles down leg then fair enough, but again, let the umpire use their experience etc within existing rules, yes I know it's potentially one less hassle for umpires
The umpire things a nightmare these days due to a lack of people willing to do it, we offer 50 quid a game plus expenses and are struggling to find someone, so I do appreciate concerns
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£50 a game plus expenses....more than we get in the Yorkshire Premier Leagues!
Just had some fixtures through for 2016 some are 100 mile round trip for £50 expences. Out of that I've my kit to provide plus ongoing courses to pay too! Don't do it for the money though just to stay involved after playing....can highly recommend it for anyone coming to the end of the playing days!
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I'd honestly only play midweek of there wasn't a tea mid innings, sod going. All day with no food.
And yes I open the batting.
Leg side wides, it's quite interesting as when we have no umpires midweek, we use a leg side wide rule, as it's fair on both sides, not ram can be biased, down leg hasn't touched owt, it's a wide.
when there is umpires there isn't a leg side wide rule, as the umpire is meant to be neutral and doesn't unfairly judge them.
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Difference between Yorkshire and Oxfordshire sir
Me personally, I'd do it for nowt, just to still be involved
I nearly fell on the floor when I saw what they were offering
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What do you guys pay in match subs then?
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Not sure this year, think it's still a tenner, could be wrong
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See alot of people paying north of £10, were charged £6.50.
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Our league has introduced leg side wides for top 3 divisions. I think this is a good call (and was voted in by the clubs at the agm). It leads to a better standard of cricket, although I agree for lower level cricket it could be counter productive as previously mentioned. The thing I would change is the introduction of a 30 yard circle, it frustrates me no end when you play in, or hear of a game where the side batting first has scored heavily then just spread the field from ball one - p*ss weak cricket.
p.s. north of £10 per game! wowsers, we only pay £20 for our yearly subs and £5 per game. guess we are lucky like that.
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We made the decision before last season to up it from £8/adult and £3/student to £10/adult and £5/student.
The main reason was for practicality! People are more likely to have notes than coins so it meant that paying match fees was a simple process for everyone involved. None of this 'I don't have any coins' or 'I've only got £10' malarkey.
Sundays are now £5 for all ages which is again easier admin wise :)
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We charge £85 sign on £10 for every game. To be fair in our area this is cheap! Closer clubs charge £130 sign on plus match fees north of £10
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£150 all in or £60 and £7 match fees (£2 for t20) for us. I played slightly over 30 games last season so good value!
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I'm aware thst we've had similar threads in the past, but they have mainly been about cricket as a whole, this was aimed at how you would change your league.
Some of the other suggestions for our league were to allow players in the lower divisions to swap and share players - which I think is a good idea.
Introduce fielding circles for the top 3 divisions rather than currently just the top league - I can see the reasoning behind this but divisions 2&3 don't have neutral umpires so might be hard to enforce.
Another one that I don't think will get through due to it being a logistical nightmare is making 6/8 divisions into North and South divisions. The idea is to save traveling which is a good thing but trying to organise who goes into North or South each year would be a nightmare.
One thing that my club used to suggest but never got voted through was the introduction of a bonus point each if you provided a designated umpire and or scorer for the duration of the game.
Be interesting to see how traditional or forward thinking some leagues are.
The WCL dropped there north and south divisions around 4 seasons ago this caused problems due to the distance clubs were required to travel to Saturday away games one of them being that lost there Sunday sides.
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Probably faze out teas as lots of clubs are struggling to provide a reasonable tea for the money they get also for lots of clubs teas have now become an hassle to organise.
If players want something to eat they could always take there own using the tea money saved to provide what they like.
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HERETIC!!!!!!
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Probably faze out teas as lots of clubs are struggling to provide a reasonable tea for the money they get also for lots of clubs teas have now become an hassle to organise.
If players want something to eat they could always take there own using the tea money saved to provide what they like.
Id have to disagree not being able to provide reasonable tea. I've always spent £40 on teas and always had stuff left over. If i club charges minimum £7 per play thats £77, if they pay for teas £37/£32 depending on what you league ask you to charge then our league ask for £30 for 1 umpire (which we get 2) so you dont suffer but you dont gain from it either.. Generally clubs in high leagues that have umpires dont tend to charge as low as £7
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You have done well there Matt Mrs Senior upto season 2015 when she stopped doing teas had 33.00 to spend she struggled to provide 24 teas for the money she used end up spending her own money then theres the tea shopping on match day food preparation food transportation etc. The WCL league cost of teas for 2016 will be 35.00
One of the most plentiful cricket teas I had was a Sunday tea it was the remains of a players wedding Buffet didnt eat touch the sausage rolls though as you could see the finger marks.
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£50 a game plus expenses....more than we get in the Yorkshire Premier Leagues!
Just had some fixtures through for 2016 some are 100 mile round trip for £50 expences. Out of that I've my kit to provide plus ongoing courses to pay too! Don't do it for the money though just to stay involved after playing....can highly recommend it for anyone coming to the end of the playing days!
Do you get £50 a game, no matter how far you have to go to umpire?
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You have done well there Matt Mrs Senior upto season 2015 when she stopped doing teas had 33.00 to spend she struggled to provide 24 teas for the money she used end up spending her own money then theres the tea shopping on match day food preparation food transportation etc. The WCL league cost of teas for 2016 will be 35.00
One of the most plentiful cricket teas I had was a Sunday tea it was the remains of a players wedding Buffet didnt eat touch the sausage rolls though as you could see the finger marks.
I found you can get alot but starts getting expensive when people think its an amazing idea to make home made cakes from scratch or cooking hot food. Then include the whole price for all the ingredients and not acrually considering that theyve probably used maximum 1/4 of it so...
But honestly Aldi is the place to go! If you dont have any brand names out noone questions it
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We start at 1. 45 overs. I'd much rather have 11am start as a few games were still going at 7pm which doesn't go down well with wife. We have tea in middle. Leg side wides in our league div 4 is a no no at minute. I think it would add up to an hour to the game in total. We were going to charge £8 subs but at meeting last night we've said £10 but £2 will go into sweepstake where you pull out number and that's your man. Which ever batsmen hits most runs takes £22. Again it's easier than taking £8 and messing about with change.
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Simple truth
Take a two game period (home and away)
Income
11x7 = 77 (assuming all pay full fees and aren't students etc)
11x7 = 77 (as above)
£35 (from Oppos for teas
=189
Expenses
£35 for away teas
15 ball
15 ball
50 umpire game 1
50 umpire game 2
40 pitch hire
=205
Now, I'm no Rachael Riley but that's a (205-189) £16 loss per cycle.. If you spend more than £35 on your home teas then you are losing even more.. Of course, I'm not even counting pitch prep costs (white paint, fuel, seeds, machinery use, insurance etc etc)
My club had to pay 70 for its tea.. So it's actually 86 per cycle loss ! That and we have two people who pay £5 rather than £7 so that's yet more lost
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Yeah spot on that
That's why you've gotta make a bit behind the bar etc and the odd fundraiser
Tough times to play cricket
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I think our first team last year was down about 400 for the year, that money has to come from somewhere or saved.. Teas are the simplest thing to cut
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I think our first team last year was down about 400 for the year, that money has to come from somewhere or saved.. Teas are the simplest thing to cut
It will eventually happen.
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Shows the difference in standards.
At our club prices are:
Subs - Adults = £20, Unemployed = £10, Youth = £5
Teas = £2 (Home & Away)
Scorer = £1 on Saturday, 50p Mid-Week
Every home game each player is expected to bring enough tea to feed 2 people as well as pay the above £2.
Money made from selling sweets & cans, various fundraisers, hiring the pitch out etc... goes on various other items we need to purchase e.g. balls, paying umpires etc...
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Scorer = £1 on Saturday, 50p Mid-Week
You charge the scorer!!!!! We would give our eye teeth to have one and bung them a few free beers.
In that case I suggest you get someone to operate the scoreboard, someone to find lost balls and someone to do the washing up. Charge them all a quid each and that should help balance the the books.
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You charge the scorer!!!!! We would give our eye teeth to have one and bung them a few free beers.
In that case I suggest you get someone to operate the scoreboard, someone to find lost balls and someone to do the washing up. Charge them all a quid each and that should help balance the the books.
Our scorer gets £15 on a Saturday plus free tea, and a tenner on a Wednesday.
Not easy to find someone to scorer. So charging them to do the job sounds absolutely ridicolous!!
In fact our league ha a rule, if you don't supply a scorer for the full game, you have to pay the opposition scorer a fiver for doing it all on her/his own. And no batsmen scoring during there innings doesn't count.got to supply someone for the whole game.
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Charge the scorer ! Great idea why not start charging the umpires for there mistakes ho and then there's the tea lady who forgot the butter and the groundsman for the one that kept low and got you out I could make a list
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Charge the scorer ! Great idea why not start charging the umpires for there mistakes ho and then there's the tea lady who forgot the butter and the groundsman for the one that kept low and got you out I could make a list
I'll write these down, along with the above ideas of charging the scorer. We could all amalgamate our ideas in this thread and each propose them to our clubs ;)
On top of all the above maybe you could charge the other team for use of the changing rooms. Then an extra fee to turn the hot water on for them for their post game showers.
Sod it, might as well go all out and charge an admission fee for the spectators too!
In all seriousness if you can charge your scorer your club is in a very healthy position. We struggle to find someone to do it in exchange olfor a non-stop flow of booze and a curry after the game
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We don't pay our scorer as he's mad for it (mathematician, does all the club stats going back to the 50's, literally every game, balls faced and knows all the records p). We've tried to give him £15 as it seems the norm but he refuses.. So he gets a free tea and we all take it in turns (although some don't as they are tight/selfish) buy him a cider post match.
Rules say like below we have to have a scorer and no, players don't count so he's a god send.. Very few people want to sit and score so I can see why teams have to pay. Only clubs I've seen who get it for free are mums, dads and partners being ropped in.
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You charge the scorer!!!!! We would give our eye teeth to have one and bung them a few free beers.
In that case I suggest you get someone to operate the scoreboard, someone to find lost balls and someone to do the washing up. Charge them all a quid each and that should help balance the the books.
Not sure if you're having a laugh or not but I'll bite...
Each of the players PAYS the scorer £1 (or 50p for cup matches).
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Not sure if you're having a laugh or not but I'll bite...
Each of the players PAYS the scorer £1 (or 50p for cup matches).
Phew, that sounds better. The way it was written originally made it sound that the scorer had to pay for the privilege
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Phew! The worlds not mad.