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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: Silver Bullet on February 19, 2016, 04:59:42 AM
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I have a number of batsmen on my team, who're absolutely top notch bats in the nets but can't seem to manage a run in the middle. The main culprit seems to be nerves. Players playing tentatively, absolutely don't see the ball in the middle and literally gift away their wicket every game. Is there a way to prepare for these situations ? Our club for obvious reasons cannot afford a sport psychologist.
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Play 6 or 7-a-side short (5 - 10 over ) practice matches in the middle. Use non-batters as fielders. These short matches help simulate match pressure. If the batters don't improve after these matches, find new batters for your team. :D
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Back in college days our coach called the batsman back once he gets bowled or gives an edge behind the wicket during the nets. This gave us a sense of responsibilty even in nets. Hope it helps.
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in the live nets, not a "control" shot your out, get the pads of a have a bowl, or do bat drill in the drill net.
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Not sure of a precise answer for this, but attitude comes into it a lot. I think every club has players like this and I see average standard batsmen do well in the nets - good technique, good shot selection, who then play totally differently in the middle - introvert and terrified of giving their wicket away.
Conversely, I see some batsman have a proper slog in the nets who then wonder why they can't buy a run getting bowled swinging across the line on low early season tracks!
There needs to be an environment where they feel they can play their shots, to a point, in the middle without feeling as though one or two low scores will see them criticised. A lot of encouragement in the nets when relevant, but also the practice in the nets has to be purposeful. I get criticised at club nets for leaving balls and defending more than most, but as an opener, that's my job. There's no sense in me trying to Chris Gayle every net ball for six when I won't play that way in the middle.
Encourage your batsmen, give them the confidence to play their shots but also make it clear that their net session should be reflective of how they play/how you see their role -and bat accordingly. Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice makes permanent. Perfect purposeful practice makes perfect. try to create a game situation in the nets for them - visualise fielders but encourage their productive shots. Have the skipper or senior player watch them for a bit and feedback, after every couple of balls or so. But keep it positive, with constructive feedback. A the end of their net, ask them how they feel it went and how they can apply the positives to their outdoor game.
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Add a competitive element to the net, can make this an individual or team game where points are scored, can be for either batters or bowlers or combine both.
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Not sure of a precise answer for this, but attitude comes into it a lot. I think every club has players like this and I see average standard batsmen do well in the nets - good technique, good shot selection, who then play totally differently in the middle - introvert and terrified of giving their wicket away.
Conversely, I see some batsman have a proper slog in the nets who then wonder why they can't buy a run getting bowled swinging across the line on low early season tracks!
There needs to be an environment where they feel they can play their shots, to a point, in the middle without feeling as though one or two low scores will see them criticised. A lot of encouragement in the nets when relevant, but also the practice in the nets has to be purposeful. I get criticised at club nets for leaving balls and defending more than most, but as an opener, that's my job. There's no sense in me trying to Chris Gayle every net ball for six when I won't play that way in the middle.
Encourage your batsmen, give them the confidence to play their shots but also make it clear that their net session should be reflective of how they play/how you see their role -and bat accordingly. Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice makes permanent. Perfect purposeful practice makes perfect. try to create a game situation in the nets for them - visualise fielders but encourage their productive shots. Have the skipper or senior player watch them for a bit and feedback, after every couple of balls or so. But keep it positive, with constructive feedback. A the end of their net, ask them how they feel it went and how they can apply the positives to their outdoor game.
Great post mate, sounds a good way to about things!
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Back in college days our coach called the batsman back once he gets bowled or gives an edge behind the wicket during the nets. This gave us a sense of responsibilty even in nets. Hope it helps.
That is what I have been doing in the nets now. My problem is that I am too aggressive in the match situation. This model forces me to play every ball on merit rather than clear the rope at will or every ball.
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Every time a batsman gets out make him unpad then put his pads back on meaning less batting time and more consequence. Plus bowlers can still practice bowling whilst th batsman is unpadding at the bowlers end.
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Sometimes players get into a rhythm batting for 10-20 mins facing dozens of balls during net sessions, then during the season if they can't net as much and have a bad run during game times it's only natural that they're not going to perform as well.
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Gonna have to save this tread, being a slogger! Love it!
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Put a couple of quid on the stumps , anyone gets bowled ( or lbw if you can get someone to umpire fairly) has to pay that amount to the bowler. Gets the bowlers going too
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The question is how do they play in the nets right now. Are they nervous in the nets as well? If they play alright in the nets but not in games then match practice is the only way out I think.
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I don't think you can in a net. I also don't believe nets are great practice.
You'll never create pressure in a proper way, and if you say "once your out your out" what are you gonna do when people stop turning up???
No one truly know what happens in a net, you think you've middled lot, bowler thinks you've either hit a fielder or been caught.
Just enjoy it, don't take it seriously, and when time/space allows do match practice, double wicket, in house games etc to help build.
Your mates may find it better to make 50 in a game against xi he knows, and then when in the groove of a game convert that against the oppo.
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I don't think you can in a net. I also don't believe nets are great practice.
You'll never create pressure in a proper way, and if you say "once your out your out" what are you gonna do when people stop turning up???
No one truly know what happens in a net, you think you've middled lot, bowler thinks you've either hit a fielder or been caught.
Just enjoy it, don't take it seriously, and when time/space allows do match practice, double wicket, in house games etc to help build.
Your mates may find it better to make 50 in a game against xi he knows, and then when in the groove of a game convert that against the oppo.
or just bat like me and refuse to play a shot :D play like you do in a game i say !!!!
or just have fun however you play if your a biffer, get biffing think people should never forget the enjoyment side i do from time to time!!!
If it a technical net forget match situations it about grooving your shots.
As somebody said practise makes permanent so do what you want play the game you want to play but do not get overalled by a bad or good net just enjoy
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if your worried about getting out in a game figure this out.
and this advice was given to me by a international cricketer..
You are gonna get out so score as many as you can whilst your there....
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What it sounds like to me is definately confidence and patience you can sometimes go into a net feel good and then start playing like your in the net and go push or driving at everything. They need to assess the pitch more especially at start of season the ball can pop, keep low or just come through slowly. Pro cricket that statement is right sooner or later your gonna get a ball which has your name on it and it doesn't have to be a good ball either. I find the more success is turning the pressure back onto the bowler putting ball in gaps running now hard between wickets try disrupt bowlers lines a bit. Put the bad ball away worse hing you can do is start to play a shot and back out half way through you need to back yourself and if your gonna flash then flash hard.
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Practice doesn't make permanent, which is a big issue. Practice, if you want to improve, has to be purposeful. If a nets a giggle, fine, but the vast majority ofclub nets are designed to introduce you back into seeing the ball. If you go in with the intention of a hit and giggle, don't expect to be grinding out long innings early season, unless you're playing down a level or few!
If the intention is to use nets to improve, then trying to add conditions to that can help. I'm not saying it will for certain, but try to replicate to an extent game situations. That's where attitude comes in. If you're able to apply yourself, that aids towards purposeful and ultimately perfect practice...
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Sorry but practise does make permanent to me because I work with a coach who trains my muscle memory to make it that way and get into good habits.
Sorry but I think we talking different things as I tend to net alone most of the time bar the club nights and I make sure it done in that Manor.
Yes whilst batting against actual bowlers it conformation only from what I learn from the coach and what I want from the training session.
If the practise is right which I pay a very good coach to make it then hopefully practise is permanent.
I worked out I tend to face maybe 40-60 overs on a machine a week and maybe 10 minutes in a club net.
I enjoy getting very technical because in truth I play for fun so the mental side is easy in my mind.
I get given set plans and work on them.
New plan is to hit straighter on leg stump instead of whipping it been on it for three weeks now and it really coming on so it is becoming permenant.
But sometimes I just want to hit balls too
If I'm paying big money for coaching then netting with friends I expect if I listen to improve but the coach is good and asks me what I want to improve and we go from there.
if your talking about simulation matches I suspect first and formost your issue is mental not technical
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Wish I had the luxury of facing 40-60 overs a week damn retail shifts ! Your right though it's all about shot repetition you can also have a play develop yourself new shots you don't currently have in your game but it's easier to do that stuff with throw downs and then develop them into the bowling machine. I'm currently going through my level 2 in Yorkshire and a lot of it is maintaining your shape etc. Your team isn't netting right if they are crashing the ball repeatedly your net should be treated as if your in the middle so they should be leaving deliveries, playing defense and working the ball.
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i work with drop feeds to get really technical with you and tennis balls if it short currently but it what I love to do everybody different though which I love about cricket.
But for me the only difference between nets and games is mental and concour the mind is the way forward.
Repetition if done correctly leads to good habits which should lead to confidence.
Mental side of batting is vastly still overlooked and the key sometimes to unlocking potential
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Wish I had the luxury of facing 40-60 overs a week damn retail shifts ! Your right though it's all about shot repetition you can also have a play develop yourself new shots you don't currently have in your game but it's easier to do that stuff with throw downs and then develop them into the bowling machine. I'm currently going through my level 2 in Yorkshire and a lot of it is maintaining your shape etc. Your team isn't netting right if they are crashing the ball repeatedly your net should be treated as if your in the middle so they should be leaving deliveries, playing defense and working the ball.
Most club nets are nothing more than a hit and giggle social event purely to get people back into it, I'm yet to see any club actually do decent nets. Like Dave says, if you want to improve go it alone and train properly.
40-60 overs really isn't that much to face if you have a machine and balls, hour and a half, two if you take it easy and chat. I'm yet to meet anyone who can't spare 2 hours a week.
Most make good excuses for not training and tbh, I don't blame them in a way. Why spend all them hours training for something you'll only ever be amateur at. It is a lot of effort for little reward unless you actively enjoy improving which few actually do.
Personally, like Dave I enjoy learning and developing.. I have to say I enjoy training more than I enjoy games due to it being win/lose so my motivation is different to others
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I am with @procricket B3 on this. Team/club net sessions are a joke and nothing but a source of annoyance. I need a minimum of two hours of nets per week to score good runs. Without it, I am a mess. Trick is to find opportunities for nets during the work week.
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I'm not as lucky as you Adi I don't have a machine or owt I have to pay however I would rather pay for coaching than buy a bat but once again each to there own.
I'm first team captain and try to add stuff in but we end up with two lanes and two coaches on the machines and the batting value is on the machines 100 per cent.
But I'm working on changing mindset currently
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If you talk to all the guys at my club im the best net batsman there is, have every shot in the book! Not floating my own boat either because i cant bat for toffee in a game. I have had a few 50s and played really well but eventually get myself out, playing a stupid shot or trying to switch hit reverse sweep (Might be something to try actually) because i got bored. I never get bored in nets, love it even when im pinned in the ribs i want to practice that shot properly! So this year all bordem will be ignored!
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Procricket you ever thought about doing coaching yourself ? You find that your understanding of all the technical stuff as well as other side of the game that you tend to not think about like pre game work or while your waiting to bat etc. becomes a lot better as well as having access to icoach which is like a huge technical and coaching database. Also hugely benefits your club if there isn't a decent level coach about you could help others and teammates. If your using tennis balls for short stuff at the moment with tennis balls etc you'll find you will go onto using a harder ball soon may even go further away with tennis racket and tennis ball increase speed and you actually watch the ball bounce. Then that changes to sidearm. The better you watch the ball more success you'll have.
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Already done mate I did my level 2 around 6 years ago pal.
Been using rackets and the odd occasion sheet steel like the Pakistan squad.
I work with a level 3 coach and do bits and bobs I have not paid my subscription though so I guess I may be unqualified now.
I have worked with sports psychologists in the past and think I have a great understanding of the mental mind and turning the batting iceberg upside down so more is showing than bubbling under if you catch my drift.
cricket is a simple game played by complicated people
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Procricketer our club tend to take the nets quite serious but you do get the odd couple of lads that don't take it like that just want to hit everyone everywhere and Bragg about it afterwards. I myself take my cricket seriously I mean I'm only 23 but I still feel like I can improve and play higher standard if I put my mind to it. And I know 2-3 hours a week with a coach and bowling machine isn't a loss of time but playing 1 day and 2 nights a week with 2 training session a week and then coaching it's quite hard to justifying that to my girlfriend as well as working full time and that's not including cup games she'll start thinking I hate her 😂. You've got to have a selfish attitude towards it, not saying got into bat and bat 50 over for 60 selfish I mean wanting to score as many runs as you can, take wickets or even get fielding points. If you play just for fun then and at an amateur level but want to actively improve your sport then go to a net do your thing with friend or a coach as you can't expect everyone to do it out of love for the cricket some people do it for the love of the beer and banter.
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100 per cent and what makes the game great everybody wants different things and so they should my wife and two kids don't mind me netting as long as I set aside other nights for them too...
I'm 38 I have played as high as I'm going to but want to improve further with my job and time allowed as my theory is your along time old...
Batting is a very individual art no doubt about that but for me must cumulate for the team needs.
But going back on topic when you next go to bat in a net set your stall out what you want to do and do it.
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ProcricketB3 Absolutely I mean my intentions are to do my level 3 as soon as I can and then hopefully level 4 if I can convince Yorkshire to sponsor me for it the fact at leve 4 you get tuition from people like Trescothick for eg is amazing in my eyes. I was getting told about before Adam Lyths incredible season of scoring 1000 runs in championship he was struggling mentally to been completely focuses at the crease etc so sport psychologist started working with him and use to take him to putting green at golf driving range and he had to to put from 3 foot away I think and get as many consecutive as possible while they talked. Everyone has their own thoughts and routines.
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Sounds your set and good luck to you yes my day job is or can be mentally demanding and taught me that cricket is my time my down time and you got to enjoy