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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: azim91 on February 20, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
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Hi Guys, just bought a new Warbird G1 and its an absolute beaut! Grains are lovely and so far the ping looks really nice. My only slight little problem is It was listed as a 2lb 10oz bat but when I weighed it, it came out at 2lb 11oz. now the when picking it up it is a tiny bit heavier than what usually use. I dont like using double grips so was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to reduce the dead weight by like 0.5oz or 1 oz. would love it to be slightly lighter without compromising on performance in any way.
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1oz is such a small amount of weight I'm going to say this may be psychological.
Had you not weighed it I bet you wouldn't know ;)
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Take the stickers off.
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take the stickers of my new Warbird :O NEVER. it looks so lovely! Also I did feel it was slightly heavy when comparing it to my other bat :(
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Take the stickers off.
Have you seen the warbird sticker?
For the love of God please leave them on the bat! :(
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Remove scuff sheet, remove toe guard if one is present.
Those suggestions will save around 1/4 to 1/2 an ounce each.
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Have you seen the warbird sticker?
For the love of God please leave them on the bat! :(
Not saying I personally would do that. But if you want to loose that little amount of weight surely that's the quickest way?
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Totally agree with walkingwicket, you would never have known if you hadn't weighed it. I imagine you are a 'I always use a 2lb10oz bat' kind of guy. My bats go from 2lb6oz to 2lb12oz and I call use them all with equal competency/incompetency. If you are going to be really fussy send it back and ask for a lighter one. Some amateurs are more precious than the pros. Sorry buddy but this sort of thing really winds me up.
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Also something to consider, If you had purchased one of the H4L bats at 2'10 that we discussed recently, you would actually have a bat at 2'10 ;)
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take the stickers of my new Warbird :O NEVER. it looks so lovely! Also I did feel it was slightly heavy when comparing it to my other bat :(
Add some extra weight to that bat then
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@Vitas Cricket haha! I appreciate all your help Jake :) but this G1 looked pretty much like a pro grade bat. I will see how it goes, give it a week in my house and see if it comes down to to the weight. But if anyone had any other suggestions, would be good :)
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Get another set of scales. For a second opinion.
I guarantee if they say it's 2.10 you'll suddenly think it feels nice.
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@Gurujames no mate Im not a guy who always uses a 2lb 10z bat. I have used bats from various weights and always bought bats by feeling them. This time round I bought the bat without picking it up before hand due to the fact that I wasn't able to go to Pakistan or India to hand pick my bat, and I have never used an english made bat. I heard so much about H4L and the light pickup of the Warbird that I went with a 2lb 10z a weight which I felt would be near abouts to what I usually get. I agreed the 1oz will probably not make much difference but in all honesty was expecting the pickup of the warbird to be a little lighter.. Nevertheless the bat is still an absolute belter!
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Chop the knobbly bit off the top of the handle, that should lose nearly half an oz. Toe guards are a complete waste of time, remove it, sand down and angle the sanding to help reduce feathering. Use a chevron grip, it's pretty much the lightest around. Failing all that, give it a refurb if used. A bit of sanding works wonders.
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Chop the knobbly bit off the top of the handle, that should lose nearly half an oz. Toe guards are a complete waste of time, remove it, sand down and angle the sanding to help reduce feathering. Use a chevron grip, it's pretty much the lightest around. Failing all that, give it a refurb if used. A bit of sanding works wonders.
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Actually a scale grip is the lightest (around 1 to 1..2 oz) while a chevron comes in at between 1.4 to 1.6 oz from my experience.
If you want the bat to pick up lighter chopping the counter balance off the handle will have the opposite effect, and the give it a refurb if used comment is totally irrelevant as the title of the thread states it's brand new!
Totally agree about the toe guard though, and that would actually be removing weight from the correct end to improve the balance ;)
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Also has anyone ever experienced their bat feeling lighter after it's knocked in and its in full flow in terms of performance? or it that just me getting use to the bat after a while?
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Actually a scale grip is the lightest (around 1 to 1..2 oz) while a chevron comes in at between 1.4 to 1.6 oz from my experience.
If you want the bat to pick up lighter chopping the counter balance off the handle will have the opposite effect, and the give it a refurb if used comment is totally irrelevant as the title of the thread states it's brand new!
Totally agree about the toe guard though, and that would actually be removing weight from the correct end to improve the balance ;)
Not convinced about the snake grip as I'm sure my chevron isn't 1.4oz. Agree the balance would be affected by the changes I suggest but sometimes dead weight is more important than pickup. A little bit of toe weight can help swing speed.
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Also has anyone ever experienced their bat feeling lighter after it's knocked in and its in full flow in terms of performance? or it that just me getting use to the bat after a while?
Yes. It all about confidence in the bat.
The best example is the bat Hayden used to score his 380, he hated it for weeks, then pulled it out decided it felt ok that day and off he went.
The reality is that just using a different pair if gloves can make a bat feel different.
Half an oz is nothing. Use it in the nets and have a go. Once you start smashing it everywhere you will forget the weight.
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I'm the fussiest bloke on the planet for dead weight, but because of the longer handle design of the warbird, you should be able to use a couple of ounce extra on bat weight .
Have you had a net with it?
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Just out of interest.
When swinging it about, are you holding it as with a conventional bat?
Or are you holding it at the very bottom of the handle/grip?
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Pick it up with gloves on, it makes it feel a lot lighter
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Pick it up with gloves on, it makes it feel a lot lighter
id recommend everyone who buys a bat to take their gloves with them. The bat pick up so differently... A fair bit lighter probably because of the extra weight on the hand
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id recommend everyone who buys a bat to take their gloves with them. The bat pick up so differently... A fair bit lighter probably because of the extra weight on the hand
You aren't allowed to pick bats up at vitas cricket without wearing gloves, you have to use robins old soiled ones if you don't bring your own :)
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Not convinced about the snake grip as I'm sure my chevron isn't 1.4oz. Agree the balance would be affected by the changes I suggest but sometimes dead weight is more important than pickup. A little bit of toe weight can help swing speed.
This is a chevron grip.
It weights 1.875oz
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20160220_171256_zpsh5flyhed.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20160220_171256_zpsh5flyhed.jpg.html)
This is a snake grip.
It weighs 1.5oz
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20160220_171243_zpskxqbpns0.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20160220_171243_zpskxqbpns0.jpg.html)
This is a Kookaburra Players grip.
It weighs 2.125oz
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20160220_171118_zps8cj61jqz.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20160220_171118_zps8cj61jqz.jpg.html)
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That's interesting cam. Is snake the lightest grip you have seen?
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Is that a double chevron or just a single thickness? Most I have used have been around an oz-1.2oz.
A lot of bat makers use them as they are lighter than others and therefore can make bats slightly bigger
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Just weighed one I got from asad at uzi, which is effectively 1.5 grips as it's double thickness at the bottom. It comes in at 1.66 Oz.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160220/690a9a84665599322f837a84c9397d22.jpg)
So remove a third of the weight for the double thickness and you would be around 1-1.1oz.
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Believe Matt stamps the finished weight on the shoulder. 9 means 2'9. 10 is 2'10 and so on. What does it say on yours?
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I've just weighed a thin hybrid I got from John at Red Ink. That comes in at 1oz.
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I know what you are saying about stickers, but that's the easiest and safest way to remove 0.5-0.7 oz.
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Not wanting to do whats already been posted Put the bat in the airing cupboard.
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Before you do anything silly all my h4l have lost a bit of weight this is because matts workshop is cold so they would of taken on some extra weight after being in the house for two weeks I sure it will drop some weight like mine have
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Just play with the bat for a week before you do anything. If you still feel uncomfortable, give the face a light sand, should take off half an ounce.
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Before you do anything silly all my h4l have lost a bit of weight this is because matts workshop is cold so they would of taken on some extra weight after being in the house for two weeks I sure it will drop some weight like mine have
I was advised this too. Does anyone have any idea why bats gets heavier in the cold. Also how much weight loss is there in the bat after you keep in the house I.e warmer conditions?
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Before you do anything silly all my h4l have lost a bit of weight this is because matts workshop is cold so they would of taken on some extra weight after being in the house for two weeks I sure it will drop some weight like mine have
Exactly this, mine has lost half an ounce after a week in the house so I'd hang tight if I was you.
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I was advised this too. Does anyone have any idea why bats gets heavier in the cold. Also how much weight loss is there in the bat after you keep in the house I.e warmer conditions?
Basically Willow naturally takes on/loses natural moisture to match it's environment. Colder conditions tend to be more damp/have more moisture in the air, so the Willow takes some of this on.
I'm.a warmer place, such as a house, there is less moisture present I. the air than a workshop, so the bat will lose some moisture to match it's environment more closely. The opposite happens of you leave a bat in a steamy room such as a bathroom, it will take on moisture and gain some weight.
That is also why bats from warmer countries such as India or Australia tend to be "dryer" than English bats.
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Basically Willow naturally takes on/loses natural moisture to match it's environment. Colder conditions tend to be more damp/have more moisture in the air, so the Willow takes some of this on.
I'm.a warmer place, such as a house, there is less moisture present I. the air than a workshop, so the bat will lose some moisture to match it's environment more closely. The opposite happens of you leave a bat in a steamy room such as a bathroom, it will take on moisture and gain some weight.
That is also why bats from warmer countries such as India or Australia tend to be "dryer" than English bats.
That's a really interesting point. So does moisture levels in the willow have any effect on the performance of a bat? Is that another reason for why subcontinental bats tend to break more easily? is it good for a bat to be in normal room conditions or should it actually be left out in the open where it is actually used?!
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That's a really interesting point. So does moisture levels in the willow have any effect on the performance of a bat? Is that another reason for why subcontinental bats tend to break more easily? is it good for a bat to be in normal room conditions or should it actually be left out in the open where it is actually used?!
A dryer bat will, in theory, allow more size for a lower weight. However you need some moisture in the blade for it to last when being us d to hit a ball. I think the "ideal" moisture content is about 8-10%. Bats from the subcontinent have maybe 5% in some cases, so while they look bigger they are more prone to breakages.
It's fine to keep your bat indoors, just don't leave it anywhere silly like next to a radiator or in the airing cupboard and you'll be fine :)
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12 per cent is what JS Wrights sell it at...
I have had a good chat about dryer bat and i feel the fibres of a drier bat are nitted together better however lack durability hence the appearance of seam marks and so forth in people miss conception of softer pressed bats go better but do not last.
I did experiments with bats over a winter a few seasons ago whilst i can not find any performance gain from drying a bat out i can say they do mark and of course break much more. Do not overdry bats is my advice and yes i have used both radiator and airing cupboard techniques.
I know a very good handmaker who used to use the airing cupboard quite a bit and you tend to find proper over dried bats tend to have catastrophic breakeges.
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12% bat moisture level... anyway we could measure that ourselves or is it something that needs to be done professionally?
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you would have to drill really mate pal trust the bat you have is what i say 1oz get a old diamond grip on it.....
I still like em
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Basically Willow naturally takes on/loses natural moisture to match it's environment. Colder conditions tend to be more damp/have more moisture in the air, so the Willow takes some of this on.
I'm.a warmer place, such as a house, there is less moisture present I. the air than a workshop, so the bat will lose some moisture to match it's environment more closely. The opposite happens of you leave a bat in a steamy room such as a bathroom, it will take on moisture and gain some weight.
That is also why bats from warmer countries such as India or Australia tend to be "dryer" than English bats.
You would not want your willow picking up moisture it could rot and thats why the ends are waxed to keep the moisture in you do not want moisture near you willow.
Cold and dry is ideal for storing williow.
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Anywhere between 10 and 12 percent moisture is ideal also moisture meters only measure the mositure on the surface of the bat
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Hi Guys, just bought a new Warbird G1 and its an absolute beaut! Grains are lovely and so far the ping looks really nice. My only slight little problem is It was listed as a 2lb 10oz bat but when I weighed it, it came out at 2lb 11oz. now the when picking it up it is a tiny bit heavier than what usually use. I dont like using double grips so was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to reduce the dead weight by like 0.5oz or 1 oz. would love it to be slightly lighter without compromising on performance in any way.
1 oz difference (heft) is nothing. The heavier bat will hit better than your lighter ones. Just use the bat. Over time, your body will grow stronger and will appreciate the power of this bat. Don't disfigure your bat by removing stickers, toe guard or the scuff sheet off a brand new bat; you will regret it later. Grow stronger instead.
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Hi Guys, just bought a new Warbird G1 and its an absolute beaut! Grains are lovely and so far the ping looks really nice. My only slight little problem is It was listed as a 2lb 10oz bat but when I weighed it, it came out at 2lb 11oz. now the when picking it up it is a tiny bit heavier than what usually use. I dont like using double grips so was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to reduce the dead weight by like 0.5oz or 1 oz. would love it to be slightly lighter without compromising on performance in any way.
1 0z is as good as weightless. A human cannot even accurately tell 1-2 oz weight difference or any difference at all. Its psychological.
The problem is not 1 oz weight difference, its the profile of the bat. To make any significant difference - the middle has to move up, toe has to be flattened out etc etc which will result in any signficant noticable difference.