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Title: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 02, 2016, 06:57:04 PM
I finally ordered My B3 50% off bat a couple of weeks ago and it arrived yesterday. I took my time ordering due to the vast amount of options and shapes available. I eventually decided on my original shape choice (thanks to anyone who answered my questions about shapes), the @procricket B3 designed Tonto.

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The Stats
Number: 4372
Shape: Tonto
Weight: 2'10
Handle: Oval
Grains: 7

Initial Thoughts

Silky smooth finishing (highly impressed as I know how difficult it can be to achieve a smooth finish) and the stickers look and feels very premium. I went for the purple colour scheme, which looks fantastic when the light catches the main B3 logo but a bit dark at other times.

Willow Grading

I went for a two stripe after much umming and arring and I'm pretty happy with what I have got. The 7 grains are straight and while it does have a couple more imperfections than I would like, I'm happy with this being sold as a grade 2 bat. Out of interest, what are these imperfections called?

Performance

While good looks are a bonus, great performance is what I'm after. I was very keen to try out the so-called 'B3 press' that every seems very impressed by. I decided against the B3 knocking service as I'm a tight git! The middle feels very sweet, with a lack of vibration noticeable in the most responsive part of the bat. Either side of the sweetspot, the middle extends around 23cm overall from under the Bespoke sticker down to around 11cm from the toe. The toe has a noticeable drop off in performance (as expected) but I am surprised how quickly it goes from ping to dead zone around 10cm from the toe. With other bats, I have noticed a gradual drop off in performance while the B3 feels very sudden. Not really sure if that is a positive or negative thing, just an observation so far.

Handle

I requested a thick oval handle when ordering and it feels pretty good. Considering it only has a chevron grip on, the handle feels a similar diameter to my other bats which normally have double binding or grips. The bottom of the handle has the spine running into it, making the oval feel quiet sharp on the bottom hand. I have not owned a bat with a handle like this so I will need a few nets to decide if I like it.

Pick Up

Not sure a small 2 bed cottage is the best place to decide on a bat's pick up so I won't make many judgements except, with my batting gloves on, the bat feels pretty meaty and weighty in my hands. This isn't a negative, just none of the 3oz lighter pick up crap that we sometimes see.

Gripes

Packaging - The bat had a couple of dents but nothing too major. You could clearly see the spine trying to force its way out of the bat box. I have seen better packaged bats from other brands.

All White Stickers - I thought it was a bit cheeky to ask for an extra £20 for the all white stickers that I wanted.

Overall Impressions

The whole bat buying process has been very good. I used Skype to discuss my requirements which added an nice face-to-face touch to the company. The bat feels like it has had an added attention to detail due to the high quality stickers, the smooth finishing and classic white chevron. All those little things add to the buying experience and make it feel like a qualty product. Top work lads, I look forward to using it.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: liscon12 on March 02, 2016, 07:02:47 PM
Extra 20 for all white stickers?
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 02, 2016, 07:05:10 PM
Extra 20 for all white stickers?

That's what I was quoted when speaking via Skype....
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: liscon12 on March 02, 2016, 07:11:05 PM
Hmm interesting, I didn't pay any extra when I got mine
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: smilley792 on March 02, 2016, 07:14:38 PM
Hmm interesting, I didn't pay any extra when I got mine

Me neither
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 02, 2016, 07:51:05 PM
Oh, I was told they were more expensive as they were limited edition.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: Alvaro on March 02, 2016, 08:05:53 PM
Is it the photo or my eyes, but is the spine straight?

Looks nice though, some of you have got lovely looking bats.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: Chalkie on March 02, 2016, 08:14:29 PM
Love the shape, what edge and spine size did you get for 2.10?
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 02, 2016, 08:19:33 PM
Is it the photo or my eyes, but is the spine straight?

Looks nice though, some of you have got lovely looking bats.

The spine is straight, my shoddy camera work.

Love the shape, what edge and spine size did you get for 2.10?

Around 36mm edge and 60mm spine.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: JB on March 02, 2016, 09:11:43 PM
I paid extra for the all white stickers on a refurb
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: procricket on March 02, 2016, 09:31:35 PM
White stickers are now standard as others as B3 had to get a special order in.

Nice shape i love my two..
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 02, 2016, 09:40:23 PM
White stickers are now standard as others as B3 had to get a special order in.

Nice shape i love my two..

Thanks for the help Dave. When did they become standard price?

When did you order your bats @smilley792 and @liscon12?
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: liscon12 on March 02, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
Thanks for the help Dave. When did they become standard price?

When did you order your bats @smilley792 and @liscon12?
Well they've recently added them to their standard set of stickers I believe, I ordered mine on 17th February
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: procricket on March 02, 2016, 09:50:44 PM
White stickers are now standard as others as B3 had to get a special order in.

Nice shape i love my two..

Yes they have as i have already stated came in either last Monday or one before..

Got to say there going down fast too
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: Number4 on March 03, 2016, 10:37:28 AM
Interesting that packaging is still an issue... Thought this was dealt with....
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: procricket on March 03, 2016, 10:44:00 AM
It is it started like this no bubblewrap Uk or overseas no issues

Because the bats got bigger they started bubblewrap to overseas customers and had no issues uk.

Now issue Uk bubblewrap to all customer.

The biggest thing is bat sizes spine hight has changed but boxes stayed the same this is changing too so whilst i can only apologize.

This has been sorted now
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: mcgill123 on March 03, 2016, 08:36:46 PM
If I'd ordered a new product, regardless if it was a cricket bat(natural product, you don't use the back of the bat, etc, etc) and it turned up damaged, it would be going straight back I'm afraid, I may be more sympathetic if I'd got it half price but the packaging is same regardless of discount.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: Number4 on March 04, 2016, 05:50:16 AM
It is it started like this no bubblewrap Uk or overseas no issues

Because the bats got bigger they started bubblewrap to overseas customers and had no issues uk.

Now issue Uk bubblewrap to all customer.

The biggest thing is bat sizes spine hight has changed but boxes stayed the same this is changing too so whilst i can only apologize.

This has been sorted now

Don't think in any way I'm having a go at B3 because I'm very happy with mine but I am a bit disappointed that some bats are still showing up with dents and no bubble wrap. Mine turned up with around 6 which was apparently before the introduction of bubble wrap. Talk can be cheap if things aren't followed through. Customer service can also be about not just saying things but making sure what you say is what happens.

no they always didn't use bubble wrap that was the original issue but thought it was all sorted but obviously not.

Will be sorted now though I can assure you of that.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: procricket on March 04, 2016, 07:45:00 AM
This is happening trust me on that and you very right and no i did not take it as having a go pal at all.

They even had a meeting on it and it was a top priority.

I expect the best and so should everybody else
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 04, 2016, 05:14:27 PM
Been knocking this in today and I'm surprised how few indentation marks are being made from my heavy GN mallet. From my pretty hard knocking in, it seems pretty much ready to go straight away. The bat also had rounded edges, another plus point when buying a bat. Nothing worse than a razor sharp edge to begin with.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: sarg on March 12, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
My Tonto butterfly was slightly dinged on the peak of the spine last year . Streaky suggested steaming after i had already sanded it down. I steam now and it works a treat. No big deal.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: kdale6 on March 12, 2016, 12:11:07 PM
How would you go about steaming a bat??
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: rich041187 on March 12, 2016, 03:13:40 PM
Cover all the bits u don't want steamed with a towel then hover the dinged bit over a boiling kettle. Worked a treat for me. So only expose the bit your working on


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Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: Chalkie on March 12, 2016, 08:45:06 PM
@procricket B3 looks like the Tonto has a higher middle than the TKC?

What other ones from the Custom range have higher middles than the TKC?

Thanks
Title: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: sarg on March 13, 2016, 02:05:03 PM

Performance

... toe has a noticeable drop off in performance (as expected) but I am surprised how quickly it goes from ping to dead zone around 10cm from the toe. With other bats, I have noticed a gradual drop off in performance while the B3 feels very sudden."

I assume by now you have knocked it in?  That deadspot should only be about 3 cm from the toe once knocked properly and will disappear once played in. Your bat look no different to my 2 stripe match bat. Will be a beast. Tonto is a good profile with a focussed sweetspot. I think you did well.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: procricket on March 13, 2016, 03:14:50 PM
@procricket B3 looks like the Tonto has a higher middle than the TKC?

What other ones from the Custom range have higher middles than the TKC?

Thanks

DB1 has and i think Marcus North shape does as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXruT7V2UnA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXruT7V2UnA)
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 13, 2016, 04:44:47 PM
I assume by now you have knocked it in?  That deadspot should only be about 3 cm from the toe once knocked properly and will disappear once played in. Your bat look no different to my 2 stripe match bat. Will be a beast. Tonto is a good profile with a focussed sweetspot. I think you did well.


I knocked in the edges and toe for around 20-30 minutes. I haven't been able to make any indents into the face so I presumed it was ready to go.

Used it for the first time in winter nets, didn't really hit enough balls to make a sound judgement but I was surprised how much vibration there was from shots. Probably a combination of my lack of timing and the handle and blade needing some more prep. I did have some damage from flicking away a full toss  >:(

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Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: procricket on March 13, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
Is everybody trying to whack Yorkers and low full bungers !!!

Hope it ok let me know got you them stickers as asked pal
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: liscon12 on March 13, 2016, 05:47:55 PM
Is everybody trying to whack Yorkers and low full bungers !!!

Hope it ok let me know got you them stickers as asked pal
Seems like everyone is haha but it's indoor ney season and everyone is trying to whack every ball that comes to them. No matter what brand of bat you use taking a full blooded blow to the toe won't end well for you.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: procricket on March 13, 2016, 05:51:46 PM
Seems like everyone is haha but it's indoor ney season and everyone is trying to whack every ball that comes to them. No matter what brand of bat you use taking a full blooded blow to the toe won't end well for you.

Of course hard floor and hard balls there gonna be no give at all.

I use one of my net bats (well they become match bats normally !!!!)...
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 13, 2016, 05:53:30 PM
Is everybody trying to whack Yorkers and low full bungers !!!

Hope it ok let me know got you them stickers as asked pal

That's the annoying thing, I wasn't trying to whack it! Low full toss on the pads that I tried to clip away. No intention to smash the ball. Oh well, glued and clamped in true CBF fashion.

Awesome, I owe you one mate.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 13, 2016, 05:56:13 PM
Of course hard floor and hard balls there gonna be no give at all.

I use one of my net bats (well they become match bats normally !!!!)...

My head was telling me to use my Norfolk Butterfly, my heart was saying try out the new B3. Regretting the choice a touch now.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: sarg on March 13, 2016, 08:08:50 PM

I knocked in the edges and toe for around 20-30 minutes. I haven't been able to make any indents into the face so I presumed it was ready to go.

Used it for the first time in winter nets, didn't really hit enough balls to make a sound judgement but I was surprised how much vibration there was from shots. Probably a combination of my lack of timing and the handle and blade needing some more prep. I did have some damage from flicking away a full toss  >:(

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This 20 minute knocking stuff is just totally daft.  I have owned three B3 and whomever dreamt the up this theory just asking for bat damage. Every bat needs proper knocking be it B3, GM, etc. wish people would stop saying this stuff on the page.

I know they are pre oiled...blah blah blah....but there are no short cuts and the fact they are a hard press is all the more reason to do it. I will oil them, wait a day or so and knock and knock and they dent eventually like any other bat. The surface compacts, especially the edges and toe and then i even it out.

That 20 mins knocking was a true simulation of a new ball hitting the bat? Doubt it.

I have another two on the way in my first bespoke design, you can follow their progress when i knock em on my Facebook page.

At least it is fixable.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: rickjames on March 13, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
I gave my B3 a good two odd hours of knocking in just the face and toe and no matter how hard I hit it with the mallet (a Puma) I just couldn't get any indentations in in whatsoever. About 5 odd nets into preseason and nothing's occurred yet..
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: procricket on March 13, 2016, 08:30:41 PM
Truth is if you jab down on a Yorker indoor on a non forgiving surface your looking  for trouble no matter how much you knock a bat in.

I have a issue with inside edge near the toe as I play with a slight closed face and have clipped a few there.

As many will know indoor nets is a killer of bats I advise use with caution I'm sure other makers will agree indoor nets is a pain in the  toe !!!!

I tend to use a new one with throw downs only and use a older bat in indoor nets as bats new or old struggle with hard floors and hard balls

Edges and toes always need knocking in on any bat but even that will not save a indoor compression strike most of the times
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: alba caerulea on March 13, 2016, 08:32:51 PM

the fact they are a hard press is all the more reason to do it.

Could you explain this please?

I have always thought the harder a bat was pressed the less knocking in it requires but the longer it will take to open up

I have heard that some companies 'pre knocked in' service simply involves pressing a bat harder or for a second time.
Title: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: sarg on March 13, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
Could you explain this please?

I have always thought the harder a bat was pressed the less knocking in it requires but the longer it will take to open up

I have heard that some companies 'pre knocked in' service simply involves pressing a bat harder or for a second time.


Easier you read this. It is on topic.

READY PRESS - and the science behind it.
http://www.custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33857

I mean more if your using a cheap light mallet, but 20 mins is just too little. I have a few mallets and all dent bats.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: alba caerulea on March 13, 2016, 08:42:35 PM
I didnt read anything in that thread about hard pressed bats needing more knocking in
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: sarg on March 13, 2016, 09:05:33 PM

I didnt read anything in that thread about hard pressed bats needing more knocking in

I clarified my statement. Refresh. Misunderstanding. You would have read the statement that a B3 still needs a hand knock and some playing in. That top layer still hardens through this process.

 
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: alba caerulea on March 13, 2016, 09:17:32 PM
Was just a little shocked by the theory that a hard pressed bat requires more knocking in than a softer pressed bat  ??? The word 'more' was what threw me if I'm honest. Thought I was missing out on some bat-related knowledge but thanks for clarifying
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2016, 09:27:24 PM
Truth is if you jab down on a Yorker indoor on a non forgiving surface your looking  for trouble no matter how much you knock a bat in.

I have a issue with inside edge near the toe as I play with a slight closed face and have clipped a few there.

As many will know indoor nets is a killer of bats I advise use with caution I'm sure other makers will agree indoor nets is a pain in the  toe !!!!

I tend to use a new one with throw downs only and use a older bat in indoor nets as bats new or old struggle with hard floors and hard balls

Edges and toes always need knocking in on any bat but even that will not save a indoor compression strike most of the times

I agree completely with dave.

Indoor Nets are killer. And have lost/damaged many a good bat. Any Yorker type shot is gonna cause damage to the bat.
Balls kinetic energy has to go somewhere, the floor is never gonna give way, so it's your bat that's always gonna fail.

The majority of pitches we play on in league games will have a little give, so if outdoor netting is available its preferred for a good bat.


I have 2 net bats, both are heavily knocked in around the toe, and then tape and fibre scuff sheeted to give it a chance. Still I had to glue(but not clamp) my bb on its second nets.

Digging out Yorkers is most I'll do, definately no driving, but sometimes it's best to just leave. It's not like a wicket actually counts in doors.



Now the seasons coming up, I will give my match bats a run out, but no bowling machines or actual bowling, just ten minutes each net with either the side arm club, or just a guy doing throw downs, with some sued but high quality balls.


Losing a 400 bat to an indoor net is just not worth thinking about.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on March 13, 2016, 10:18:41 PM
Winter nets is always a tricky one to manage in terms for bats. You want to use your new bats and prepare them for the start of the season but you also want to protect your best bats from damage. Kind of a double edged sword that has no right or wrong answers. I used a new bat, it got a little bit of damage. Serves me right for risking it.

Regarding the knocking in, I was smashing the face with my GN deluxe mallet as hard as I could and had no indents   to show for it. To me, that shows me that netting with old balls can begin. I may decide after a few nets to get the mallet out again depending on response and if any damage has occurred.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: liscon12 on March 13, 2016, 10:23:01 PM
My B3 is indenting and showing seam marks and I'm using a GN Deluxe mallet as well.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: skip1973 on March 14, 2016, 04:44:32 AM

This 20 minute knocking stuff is just totally daft.  I have owned three B3 and whomever dreamt the up this theory just asking for bat damage. Every bat needs proper knocking be it B3, GM, etc. wish people would stop saying this stuff on the page.

I know they are pre oiled...blah blah blah....but there are no short cuts and the fact they are a hard press is all the more reason to do it. I will oil them, wait a day or so and knock and knock and they dent eventually like any other bat. The surface compacts, especially the edges and toe and then i even it out.

That 20 mins knocking was a true simulation of a new ball hitting the bat? Doubt it.

I have another two on the way in my first bespoke design, you can follow their progress when i knock em on my Facebook page.

At least it is fixable.
I disagree to some this mate, all bats are different and some will require less knocking in than others, no amount of knocking in would prevent a crack like this. I believe things have changed but the B3 I received could have faced ball bearings and not marked up.
Title: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: sarg on March 14, 2016, 06:10:31 AM
I disagree to some this mate, all bats are different and some will require less knocking in than others, no amount of knocking in would prevent a crack like this. I believe things have changed but the B3 I received could have faced ball bearings and not marked up.

Ok. I agree with everyone that this specific crack was perhaps not preventable after 20 mins knocking, however I see too often bats I hard knock get taken into nets and the user just starts swinging like it's a their old faithful and tada it cracks.

My point is there are no shortcuts and the more the traditional knocking and playing in processes are followed the more likely the bat will hardened sufficiently to survive this type of ball. I certainly think 20 mins knocking may have been an underestimate but that shot was not playing in the bat either, especially on hardwicket.

My experiences with pressed bats is that any time spent knocking is not wasted and you generally find that top layer will dent after a hour of moderate effort and the bat performance improve after the second.

Anyway I don't want this getting out of hand. I have my own two B3 bats coming and will prepare them like I do and hopefully in a couple of months begin netting as I want to improve on this disaster of a season.

Posted my design in the big 50% thread. Have a look.
Title: Re: B3 2 Stripe Tonto 50% off Bat
Post by: wayward_hayward on April 03, 2016, 02:00:54 PM
Update time

Not used the bat indoors since the crack. Went outside today after putting the nets up yesterday and the bat felt great. Pressing feels top notch for a new bat, old balls felt great coming off the middle. Impressed with the overall package, it feels in the hands balanced and like I have used it for years. Hope to give it another run out this week.