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Forum News and Suggestions => Old Advertisers => Admin Board => It's Just Cricket => Topic started by: Batbuddy99 on March 25, 2016, 09:44:50 PM
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Hi there Chris
I'm interested in joining the H4L brigade (finally) for the upcoming season, and you guys are the most local of the forum sponsors to me, so I was hoping to pop down to check a few out and see which is my favourite. However on your website you haven't it any Short-Handles left. So this poses the question to you guys, when is your next visit to Appledore to pick your next batch out? I'm really eager to get one now I have the money to finance one.
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I was hoping that the IJC boys would post some lovely pics of H4L guns - think we all enjoy the anticipation of lush willow about to be shown!
But I guess they are probably away for Easter.
Roll on Tuesday as I am looking forward to seeing what these guys have coming in :D
By the way IJC - if you have any more video reviews in the pipeline for H4L or other brands, let us know as we all enjoy them. :)
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Asad at Uzi sports had some cracking h4l bats in on my recent visit
If I hadn't already picked a couple up for the season, I would have been seriously tempted by Asads selection
I've noticed there's no h4l on ijc,s website?
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Asad at Uzi sports had some cracking h4l bats in on my recent visit
If I hadn't already picked a couple up for the season, I would have been seriously tempted by Asads selection
I've noticed there's no h4l on ijc,s website?
Your right their mate some serious bats that we saw last Saturday that's for sure @Batbuddy99 might be worth sending @Uzi Sports a message if no luck with ijc
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I have said this before but bought a Hellfire Pro which was in one of IJC's top 5 videos. Probably the best performing bat I've ever owned!! It's booked in for a refurb and new set of stickers, just need to remember to send it!!
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I have said this before but bought a Hellfire Pro which was in one of IJC's top 5 videos. Probably the best performing bat I've ever owned!! It's booked in for a refurb and new set of stickers, just need to remember to send it!!
Lol that would help mate
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I've been meaning to send it for easy 5-6 weeks!! Been working 11hr days and 5hr nights concurrently though so I keep forgetting in my zombie state!!! :(
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Hello all,
Sorry - just saw this.
We have actually stopped stocking H4L now. I won't divulge further, as this was a decision made by Paul. If I can get a quote from him on his reasons why I will let you know.
CBD
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Hello all,
Sorry - just saw this.
We have actually stopped stocking H4L now. I won't divulge further, as this was a decision made by Paul. If I can get a quote from him on his reasons why I will let you know.
CBD
Are you phantom only these days? Not much else left.
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With respect - that's incorrect.
Newbery, Phantom, Gray Nicolls, Kookaburra, SF, Chase, Salix, TON are all in our range.
We visited Chase on Tuesday as a matter of fact, and have dates booked in with a number of others very soon.
CBD
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Further developing that - of the 97 bats we have listed on our website, only 5 of them are Phantom!
One of the smallest ranges we carry actually!
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It's a shame you have stopped stocking H4L, as the bats I bought from you were all fantastic
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Shame your not carrying h4l as a london stockist,they seemed to fit your profile from recent posts
And they are the best bats out there currently
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Cripes, you do seem to change your stock a lot!
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Interesting move not to stock H4L anymore. Is the reason similar to you guys not sticking GM?
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I would disagree that we change our stock a lot. This year the turnover was slightly more because we implemented our new Philosophy regarding companies which are honest etc.
Since then H4L has been the only real change.
I cannot comment on the reason, especially with H4L on the forum, but I can say it was an issue we are extremely disappointed about, and it's a shame that it has reached the level where we, one of (if not THE) first companies to invest in H4L with large orders, no longer feel it is tenable to continue working together.
CBD
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Thanks for posting on the forum you are not stocking h4l anymore chris , it's the first conformation we have had on this news ,having had no email or phone call to confirm the news . Strange decision having been told by Paul we was the second best seller at Ijc .
You are also making it sound like its our fault ? Happy to list why we think this could have changed ?
Regards
Matt
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Where's that popcorn gif!!!!!!
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Matt,
As you can imagine, just being the puppet at IJC I know only what I'm told - and unfortunately not much more than that - on the strategic side of things anyway!
If you want to discuss with Paul then please do so privately - you have the necessary contact details I'm sure!
Apologies I can be of less help!
CBD
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Big shame, first bat bought through the forum was a hellfire from IJC. That said nothing lasts forever, I'm sure both parties will move on and do well!
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Where's that popcorn gif!!!!!!
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/brought-some-pop-corn_zps51e6puow.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/brought-some-pop-corn_zps51e6puow.jpg.html)
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I'm happy posting on here , have emailed previously don't seem to get a quick response on certain subjects
Regards
Matt
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I was thinking the same @smilley792. As much as I like the company philosophy and video reviews, IJC do seem to cause some controversy on here every now and then.
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Matt,
Unfortunately I can't help you - and as we know Paul isn't a regular on the forum, so not much more I can offer I'm afraid.
Wish you all the best for this year!
CBD
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Two things for me,
H4l bats are the best bats I've seen since my old laver
And Matts one of the nicest blokes you could hope to meet
If I was in the business of selling or supplying the finest cricket gear I could lay my hands on, I would be beating a path to H4L,s door.
I've bought three bats for my own personal use, and recommend them highly to teammates when questioned .
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For the record. No one is questioning the quality of the product.
From what I understand after, albeit brief, conversations with Paul, it's more to do with the business side of things than the product side of things. Unfortunately I can't elaborate.
CBD
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Wow. IJC really do know how to cause a fallout sometimes.
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Or perhaps
"WOW. IJC really have a set of principles and morals that they stand by and will stick with regardless of who it is who we feel not to be meeting them."
We don't just drop brands for the fun of it - we know H4L are a very good seller for us, and we have to eat - so to say we are creating a fallout is a little unhelpful. We will go on, H4L will go on. A sad end to the relationship, but hardly a massive fallout.
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Little bit of private notice first might have been nice... But thats just me
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Agreed, not the place to air this really. Whatever has happened is between H4L & IJC
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Or perhaps
"WOW. IJC really have a set of principles and morals that they stand by and will stick with regardless of who it is who we feel not to be meeting them."
We don't just drop brands for the fun of it - we know H4L are a very good seller for us, and we have to eat - so to say we are creating a fallout is a little unhelpful. We will go on, H4L will go on. A sad end to the relationship, but hardly a massive fallout.
So which of your principals and morals do H4L fail to meet?
As far as I can tell you only wish to stock brands who are clear and transparent about where their bats come from and allow you to hand pick.
Having visited Matt at his workshop, he makes all the bats himself from start to finish, and will do this in front of you. He also allows you to go through all his bats, along with all the clefts of willow he has (which is a lot).
Am I missing something? ???
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Or perhaps
"WOW. IJC really have a set of principles and morals that they stand by and will stick with regardless of who it is who we feel not to be meeting them."
We don't just drop brands for the fun of it - we know H4L are a very good seller for us, and we have to eat - so to say we are creating a fallout is a little unhelpful. We will go on, H4L will go on. A sad end to the relationship, but hardly a massive fallout.
Exactly the kind of response I expected to be honest. You know, if I was a company dealing with you I'd value you picking up the phone much more than the 'morals' of handpicking bats etc. Maybe put the blinkers on your high horse rather than wearing them yourself, sorry pal. Spot of humility would go a long way.
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Wow. IJC really do know how to cause a fallout sometimes.
Or. Ijc don't know how to act on the forum. As they keep saying things that apparently aren't true.
First post suggested all is h4l's fault.
Second one suggest h4l don't sit with there principles and morals. Which is a big big call!
Chris may or may not have meant to suggest that, but if he didn't he may want to think what he's putting before posting, as unlike the rest of us on here. Selling bats kinda pays the bills.
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Or perhaps :
This is what's happened, as we have 100s of thousands of pounds invested in willow,machinery ,stock etc , which has to be paid for with our suppliers in a set time ,I cannot speak for other brands they must get better terms than us!
So we set out new trade terms where stock from us has to be paid for in a certain time ? Pretty revolutionary I know !
Which Ijc didn't agree with ?
End of story ?
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For those people who are saying IJC are saying things which aren't true - all I will say is that there are two parties who know what occurred here. The H4L team, and Paul (and to an extent myself.) Therefore, these are the only people who can comment on the situation with full knowledge.
The comment about humility and high horses I see as irrelevant. We aren't trying to get on a high horse. Our way of doing business, as we have posted before, is not the right way, or the wrong way. It is our way. It's the way that gets us out of bed in the morning, keeping us passionate about our jobs. It isn't anything to do with moral pretension. So the high horse comment I don't really follow.
I never meant to claim it is entirely the fault of one party. All I know is that Paul has made the decision, based on what he feels is the right call for the business.
In terms of the comments made by H4L, I don't wish to respond to private trade agreements and conditions on a public forum. There are already far too many people on here who think they know the ins and outs, and so I would rather, should you wish to have a discussion, continue this in a more private way. I think that would be more satisfactory.
CBD
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So all of this crap about somebody asking for a bat. just give ijc a break and respect there decisions
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Re. humility - would it have been so hard, for example, to post apologising to H4L for surprise announcing that you're dropping them on a public forum (or heaven forbid, Paul picking up the phone in the first place?)? Rather than just posting that your relationship with them is 'no longer tenable' and that you won't stock brands that don't meet your principles. Bang out of order I'm afraid.
Obviously this isn't entirely your fault Chris, but that doesn't mean you can't at least have a go at doing the right thing.
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Shouldnt the original discussion been made in private before hand
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All,
I was under the impression it was not a surprise. I believed that H4L knew. That appears to be a case of misinformation on my behalf, for which I must apologise.
If you didn't know Matt - then yes, it should have been handled better. I thought you knew, and so this was no surprise. Clearly not handled the best on our end then. I was told Paul had opened a dialogue when last visiting H4L, so thought this was something both parties were aware of. Like I said - the vague nature of it all is probably a fault at our end.
I don't think posting that we won't stock brands who we don't fully believe in, or can't fully get behind (for whatever reason), is out of order. It is just our opinion. Same as someone posting a comment about a new range, if it be negative or positive, it is just their opinion. You then back up your opinion by not buying that particular range, and we back it up by dropping a brand, or not stocking them as heavily. It's just different scales. We all have our opinions, so it's up to everyone to get along with those various differences.
Yes, the surprise thing may not have been fair. But posting that we can't support H4L, for our own reasons, I don't think is unfair.
CBD
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Fascinating discussion, seems a great pity though H4L and IJC have a great reputation on this forum. A reputable retailer selling a brand that seems to be riding the crest of a wave at the moment. Business is business though I suppose but I would encourage you to settle your differences for the benefit of us lot :D
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I am not sure there is any benefit for anyone in continuing this.
Karl's sentiments are shared by many of us in the forum