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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: InternalTraining on April 16, 2016, 01:13:49 AM
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Big bats.
45+ mm edges 60-65+ mm spine.
Just saw pics of Newbery Blitz. Seems like every bat maker has released a big bat model. Why would anyone want to use a skinny bat is beyond me.
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We all know that it's the batsman and not the bat that makes the difference. Still we will drool over these sexy big profile bats. One thing good is that extreme concaving is thing of past now. So how thick the wood can get will keep the buyers excited ;)
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Nope, no drooling, just the fact that those big bats ping better and are fun to bat with. Nothing to do with visuals.
Concaving isn't always a bad thing. Personally, I like concaved bats. On of my favorite bats is concaved like the Blitz - I just love the sound it makes and ball flies.
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Some of us don't. We like shapes like the Dynadrive, the B3 Trott and the powerbow, oh and the distinction meat or (v)edge? Which do you prefer?
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There will be a law soon to limit bat size/weight. Whether this will be enforced at club level remains to be seen but I am convinced it will come into the pro game
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Dynadrive (older profile) is a lovely shape but for me, Gunn & Moore Maxi / B3 Trott (1271) will always be at the top of the wanted profile list.
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Old ss turbo for me was stunning
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(http://i.imgur.com/sEg5srE.jpg)
Also the future
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^ Haha. I love it!
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@Tom , if we are talking futuristic bats, it would be cool to have the ability to move the sweet spot for the surface you are playing on. So, a bat with a modular spine and swell area.
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Some of us don't. We like shapes like the Dynadrive, the B3 Trott and the powerbow, oh and the distinction meat or (v)edge? Which do you prefer?
Distinction is similar to XP-80 but with a mid-low sweet spot. XP-80 is another big bat that will sell like hot cakes.
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([url]http://i.imgur.com/sEg5srE.jpg[/url])
Also the future
@Tom I assume that's the sensor for where you hit it ?
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Yes, here's how it looks app wise in baseball:
http://www.zepp.com/en-us/baseball/smart-coach/ (http://www.zepp.com/en-us/baseball/smart-coach/)
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^ Is that your bat in the picture? If so, how did you set the sensor in your bat handle? Wouldn't the baseball kit work for the cricket bat?
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Nope, not mine sadly. it's a prototype from New Balance.
The sensor would work, but you'd need the cricket version of the app which is being developed
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Isn't the Zepp cricket analyser (in the picture above) due out this summer?
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Hope it's waterproof given the summers we get here!
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Big bats.
45+ mm edges 60-65+ mm spine.
Just saw pics of Newbery Blitz. Seems like every bat maker has released a big bat model. Why would anyone want to use a skinny bat is beyond me.
We keep being told that the laws of physics dictate that the size of the bat make no difference in terms of power. And yet people keep ignoring this?
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Surely we must be reaching the maximum sizes you can actually reach with a piece of willow in a weight that's use able?
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Surely we must be reaching the maximum sizes you can actually reach with a piece of willow in a weight that's use able?
And does it matter anyway? (See above.)
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Hope it's waterproof given the summers we get here!
Wasn't waterproof done years ago - Fearnley Polyflex etc.?
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([url]http://i.imgur.com/sEg5srE.jpg[/url])
Also the future
Tell me the Cricket app will work with the old sensor!
using the baseball app is good fun and competition between the boys but a cricket specific app would be the holy grail!
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We keep being told that the laws of physics dictate that the size of the bat make no difference in terms of power. And yet people keep ignoring this?
If you use only one specific law hypothesised hundreds of years ago, yes.
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If you use only one specific law hypothesised hundreds of years ago, yes.
So, where's the new theory that has proved it wrong? And why don't Gray Nicolls or B3 (amongst others) believe it?
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So, where's the new theory that has proved it wrong? And why don't Gray Nicolls or B3 (amongst others) believe it?
Nothing's proved it wrong, but there's more to it than f=ma. B3 are well aware of this ha. As for Chris King at Gray Nics, the bloke's clearly a good batmaker but he knows bugger all about mechanics! His justifying of concaving in an interview was at best misleading and if you were less generous downright ignorant.
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Well, David Bacon used f=ma in his recent contribution to a piece in The Cricketer.
I bet Isaac Newton wasn't nearly as clever as some of the people on here. ;)
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And none of this is sales talk to sell more bats hmmmmmmm
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Well, David Bacon used f=ma in his recent contribution to a piece in The Cricketer.
I bet Isaac Newton wasn't nearly as clever as some of the people on here. ;)
You know what mate, save us the trouble of reading your nonsense and yourself the time of writing it - go buy yourself a 3lb stick for a tenner out the bargain bin at sports direct and be happy in your knowledge that it's a better bat than Joe Root/Dave Warner's because yours is 3lb and theirs are only 2.11 and 'the laws of physics' prove that yours is therefore better because it's heavier, and that's the only factor. Please go.
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And none of this is sales talk to sell more bats hmmmmmmm
Surely the 'big bat' fashion sells bats?
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You know what mate, save us the trouble of reading your nonsense and yourself the time of writing it - go buy yourself a 3lb stick for a tenner out the bargain bin at sports direct and be happy in your knowledge that it's a better bat than Joe Root/Dave Warner's because yours is 3lb and theirs are only 2.11 and 'the laws of physics' prove that yours is therefore better because it's heavier, and that's the only factor. Please go.
I think you are talking about quality of bat there, not volume?
I am not suggesting all bats of the same weight perform the same, am I?
If some presented an intelligent argument as to why low density willow pings better, I might listen. As yet they haven't. People are just jumping on a bandwagon.
Where is Dr Bacon?
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Surely the 'big bat' fashion sells bats?
No the fact certain brands have found the secret formula for making unbelievable bats that are as big as a 3lb but weigh 2lb10 and pick up like a harrow
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No the fact certain brands have found the secret formula for making unbelievable bats that are as big as a 3lb but weigh 2lb10 and pick up like a harrow
So you believe the size is a factor in making the ball go further /harder?
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If some presented an intelligent argument as to why low density willow pings better, I might listen.
There are so many laws, that in isolation can predict what will produce the best performance. F=ma is a very rough basic one, the coefficient of restitution is another which would, very basically, categorise the response of a moving ball off a stationary bat. Without investigating it id assume crown willow would have a better CoR value and thus creates a better "ping" eg the ball naturally bounces further off the face of the bat. How or why is beyond my knowledge of willow however.
Creating an all encompassing theory / law is most definitely beyond my knowledge base.
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There are so many laws, that in isolation can predict what will produce the best performance. F=ma is a very rough basic one, the coefficient of restitution is another which would, very basically, categorise the response of a moving ball off a stationary bat. Without investigating it id assume crown willow would have a better CoR value and thus creates a better "ping" eg the ball naturally bounces further off the face of the bat. How or why is beyond my knowledge of willow however.
I'll happily concede that I think Dr Bacon is way ahead of any of us on this kind of thing.
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So you believe the size is a factor in making the ball go further /harder?
It helps but it's not as big a factor as people think
If it was the main factor all the pros would be using huge heavy bats but they don't
It's about finding the right weight/shape for you that makes you swing truer ie. Not too early or late
I found bigger bats slow my bat speed down so using slightly smaller profiled bats has helped
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It helps but it's not as big a factor as people think
If it was the main factor all the pros would be using huge heavy bats but they don't
It's about finding the right weight/shape for you that makes you swing truer ie. Not too early or late
I found bigger bats slow my bat speed down so using slightly smaller profiled bats has helped
We are talking about volume, not weight!
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So if weight and shape the same but volume different the bigger volume will fit the ball further you are saying?
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A bigger bat will be stiffer if shaped right, which will provide better transfer of energy into the ball. Simple as that. How significant that is is very difficult to test.
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A simple way to look at this is that Force = Mass x Acceleration is a way of saying "The heaviest mass you can swing at the fastest speed will produce the most force"
However, Cricket Bat performance is a culmination of many factors and size is perhaps the least important given that you are at the mercy of the limitations of the material.
An extremely stiff Cricket Bat would be phenomenally uncomfortable to use, there has to be balance.
There is no objective evidence to support the Big Bat Myth, it's all anecdotal. Even this can be undermined by a wealth of examples of small profiled Cricket Bats subjectively outperforming their larger counterparts.
Find a Cricket Bat that suits the way you play.
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So if weight and shape the same but volume different the bigger volume will fit the ball further you are saying?
No, that's what edge (and everyone else?) is saying.
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Hmmmmm
I tend to believe size of bat has nothing to do with how hard you hit the ball it's all about the swing
Volume will help with hitting the ball consistently as wider middle but I can't see how it affects power in the slightest
If you swing two bats of equal weight at same speed but different volume I can't see how they would be different
If different weight or different swing speed yes but not volume
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Hmmmmm
I tend to believe size of bat has nothing to do with how hard you hit the ball it's all about the swing
Volume will help with hitting the ball consistently as wider middle but I can't see how it affects power in the slightest
If you swing two bats of equal weight at same speed but different volume I can't see how they would be different
If different weight or different swing speed yes but not volume
I'll leave the argument in your capable hands.