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Forum News and Suggestions => Old Advertisers => Admin Board => It's Just Cricket => Topic started by: chrisbd on May 09, 2016, 05:38:48 PM
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Hello all,
Just to give you an update of goings on at IJC towers. Today Paul headed to Corby, to do something we've never done before. He went on an entire handpicking trip, for just one bat. As those of you who have seen them in the flesh know, this incredibly impressive bat is the Ghost.
They are humungous pieces of willow, and pick up brilliantly, not to mention the performance or the gorgeous all white decals!
It is important to note that Kookaburra have told us they aren't getting any more bat deliveries this year, so any other company who restocks on the Ghost bats this season will be taking the ones that Paul rejected - I think here is the real value of handpicking!
We looked through 17 boxes of about 10 bats, so by my rudimentary maths that's 170 bats, to select just 13 - picky as ever at IJC!
Under 10% made the cut, and they are all pretty impressive, so you can imagine how tasty the ones we have are!
Handpicking at its finest - the best Ghost bats available, so no one else can get their hands on them haha!
This was the maybe pile! Crikey!
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Drop me a PM or send us an email if you're interested. Most come in around 2'9 or 2'10, and all have 40mm edges as an absolute minimum!
Cheers,
CBD
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I think you are on to an absolute winner there. Best mass-produced bat I've seen this year by a long way.
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I lost count, but I'm guessing there's at least 60 bats in the maybe pile :o
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From the maybe pile I'm told we selected 7!
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Thats lot of bats. If you spend average 2 mins per bat, you spent 340 mins (almost 6 hrs). Thats like batting for one whole day lol
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Thats lot of bats. If you spend average 2 mins per bat, you spent 340 mins (almost 6 hrs). Thats like batting for one whole day lol
Well - we take our task very seriously!
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I don't like the emphasis you've made on the rest of the bats being Pauls rejects to anyone else who goes and handpicks, what Paul looks for is something very different to what I would look for, so there was no need for the bold emphasis on it being your rejects
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I don't like the emphasis you've made on the rest of the bats being Pauls rejects to anyone else who goes and handpicks, what Paul looks for is something very different to what I would look for, so there was no need for the bold emphasis on it being your rejects
Indeed it may be. However, the facts are the facts. There were only two 2'9 Ghosts left, and we took them both. Therefore, it's factual to say that no other shop can get their hands on a 2'9 Ghost this year (obviously unless they have them in stock already.) Secondly, it is factual to say that any other shop who restocks Ghosts are selecting bats which we have rejected. That's a fact. Agreed that other places may look for something different, and if we could have taken more than 13 we would have, there are plenty of very good bats there, but we feel we have the best 13. It is merely true, and a benefit of handpicking.
We put our customers first, and will continue to do so by getting these advantages.
CBD
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Indeed it may be. However, the facts are the facts. There were only two 2'9 Ghosts left, and we took them both. Therefore, it's factual to say that no other shop can get their hands on a 2'9 Ghost this year (obviously unless they have them in stock already.) Secondly, it is factual to say that any other shop who restocks Ghosts are selecting bats which we have rejected. That's a fact. Agreed that other places may look for something different, and if we could have taken more than 13 we would have, there are plenty of very good bats there, but we feel we have the best 13. It is merely true, and a benefit of handpicking.
We put our customers first, and will continue to do so by getting these advantages.
CBD
It may be factual, but I'm saying when Jake and Robin go and pick bats they then didn't emphasise that the bats you would then look at would be rejects.
Im not arguing the benefits of handpicking, handpicking has its advantages as has been shown by the quality of bats that you do stock, I'm just saying that you moaned when people voiced an opinion on your attitude on here before, and now you are sounding quite arrogant in your actions.
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It may be factual, but I'm saying when Jake and Robin go and pick bats they then didn't emphasise that the bats you would then look at would be rejects.
Im not arguing the benefits of handpicking, handpicking has its advantages as has been shown by the quality of bats that you do stock, I'm just saying that you moaned when people voiced an opinion on your attitude on here before, and now you are sounding quite arrogant in your actions.
Each person is entitled to their opinions. We are merely pointing out that we believe we have the best we can offer our customers. If people want to shop elsewhere, that's up to them. We've just done what is best for our clients - as simple as that!
Understand your opinion, but at the end of the day, everyone is on here for a hobby. We are on here to pay the mortgage, or keep food on the table. We have to sell ourselves - and if we do this in a way which comes across as arrogant - I apologise. That was never the intention. We merely attempted to show the facts - that being the last batch etc etc. But yes, we did not mean to do it in an incendiary way, so apologies for this if it's how it came across.
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Each person is entitled to their opinions. We are merely pointing out that we believe we have the best we can offer our customers. If people want to shop elsewhere, that's up to them. We've just done what is best for our clients - as simple as that!
Understand your opinion, but at the end of the day, everyone is on here for a hobby. We are on here to pay the mortgage, or keep food on the table. We have to sell ourselves - and if we do this in a way which comes across as arrogant - I apologise. That was never the intention. We merely attempted to show the facts - that being the last batch etc etc. But yes, we did not mean to do it in an incendiary way, so apologies for this if it's how it came across.
I wouldn't call it arrogant Chris, just assertive. Good on you.
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So, once the thirteen are gone is that it for the year?
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This year will be the "Year of the Ghost" like last year was "Year of the Warbird".
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I saw that pic on Instagram it has me drooling!
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Indeed it may be. However, the facts are the facts. There were only two 2'9 Ghosts left, and we took them both. Therefore, it's factual to say that no other shop can get their hands on a 2'9 Ghost this year (obviously unless they have them in stock already.) Secondly, it is factual to say that any other shop who restocks Ghosts are selecting bats which we have rejected. That's a fact. Agreed that other places may look for something different, and if we could have taken more than 13 we would have, there are plenty of very good bats there, but we feel we have the best 13. It is merely true, and a benefit of handpicking.
We put our customers first, and will continue to do so by getting these advantages.
CBD
How much are they ?
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This year will be the "Year of the Ghost" like last year was "Year of the Warbird".
Didn't the warbird only come out this year? ???
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Looks like I missed an awesome bat...already purchased couple for this season.
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We sell them at £199.99 - free UK shipping of course!
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So, once the thirteen are gone is that it for the year?
Absolutely. Kookaburra tbh have said to us they didn't anticipate the popularity of the Ghost bats, and this is their last shipment now. This is our last handpicking from Kooks, and so yes, this isn't just a sales ploy. Once the 13 are gone, they are gone for the rest of the year.
CBD
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Didn't the warbird only come out this year? ???
You are right Warbird is this years. :)
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Do IJC have any bats left in stock. Just had a look online and it was a bat desert on there.
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This is exactly why GM refuse handpicking, your essentially saying product left behind isn't up to scratch. I can see more companies stopping this practice, it's a bad look for their product in my opinion.
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This is exactly why GM refuse handpicking, your essentially saying product left behind isn't up to scratch. I can see more companies stopping this practice, it's a bad look for their product in my opinion.
That and GM are able to produce bats all year around dependent on demand so it's a different model. They don't have to make a load, ship them to the UK, warehouse them and sell them on. They can take retailer orders, manufacture and deliver, then JIT and drop ship for any additional stock requirements meaning a more efficient delivery model. It probably means they don't warehouse a lot of stock to select from anyway!
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The downside with working with a manufacturer who allows handpicking, is that even though you may handpick - potentially every other retailer could have handpicked their bats before you, and you may only be picking from their leftovers.
I understand why IJC do it though, and it's good to have confidence in the product you're selling which you can have if you believe it's better than anything else you could have had.
Pleased the Ghost has been a good seller, a very nice looking bat at a good pricepoint.
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I think handpicking offers retailers a genuine competitive advantage and they should be able to publicise it as a differentiator. However, saying that everyone else is getting rejected stock leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth. I like Uzi's approach. They promote their hand-picked stock pre-season and don't comment on anybody else's actions. If I was a manufacturer I'd be uncomfortable with some of the comments I've seen in this thread.
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The downside with working with a manufacturer who allows handpicking, is that even though you may handpick - potentially every other retailer could have handpicked their bats before you, and you may only be picking from their leftovers.
I understand why IJC do it though, and it's good to have confidence in the product you're selling which you can have if you believe it's better than anything else you could have had.
Pleased the Ghost has been a good seller, a very nice looking bat at a good pricepoint.
Do you think Kookaburra for example might feel miffed that a retailer is suggesting you get superior bat from x shop rather than any other of their stockists?
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Do you think Kookaburra for example might feel miffed that a retailer is suggesting you get superior bat from x shop rather than any other of their stockists?
I'm sure if they really did (likely only if a big customer complained) they would just stop allowing handpicking, so I imagine they give no fooks.
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Indeed it may be. However, the facts are the facts. There were only two 2'9 Ghosts left, and we took them both. Therefore, it's factual to say that no other shop can get their hands on a 2'9 Ghost this year (obviously unless they have them in stock already.) Secondly, it is factual to say that any other shop who restocks Ghosts are selecting bats which we have rejected. That's a fact. Agreed that other places may look for something different, and if we could have taken more than 13 we would have, there are plenty of very good bats there, but we feel we have the best 13. It is merely true, and a benefit of handpicking.
We put our customers first, and will continue to do so by getting these advantages.
CBD
Facts are facts and cannot be disputed and thats a fact.
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I think handpicking is great and it allows you to get bats that the certain shop look for. However I can't say that by mentioning all other shops have your rejects is the best comment.
For instance Uzi Sports or Vitas might have visited Kookaburra before IJC in the pre season does that mean IJC actually had other people's cast offs? Even if they did I don't think Asad or Jake would be as bold to say this on a public forum trying to get one over on another shop. Just seems bad practice in my eyes.
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I think handpicking is great and it allows you to get bats that the certain shop look for. However I can't say that by mentioning all other shops have your rejects is the best comment.
For instance Uzi Sports or Vitas might have visited Kookaburra before IJC in the pre season does that mean IJC actually had other people's cast offs? Even if they did I don't think Asad or Jake would be as bold to say this on a public forum trying to get one over on another shop. Just seems bad practice in my eyes.
Spot on.
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Bad practice is what some people may think it is.
Emphasising that we are doing the best for our customers is what we see it as.
As much as we get on with Jake and Asad etc, they are our competition, and we need to find a way to differentiate from the competition. Since we have established ourselves as the only shop in the country which 100% handpicks all our bats (including juniors), and this is the entire USP of IJC, we need to continue to push it.
It was not meant as a dig at any other shops, just meant to present as a fact to any potential customers that we have, what we believe (and again, this is contentious), to be the best of that batch.
Simple as that - no dig at any other shop, just presenting a fact, and selling IJC. I'd be terrible at my job if I failed to mention a major competitive advantage that IJC has! Nothing against other shops, I'll emphasise once more.
CBD
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I like what you guys do.
But instead of saying other shops have your rejected bats, wouldn't it be easier if you just post pics of bats you selected and let the pics do the talking?? Why pick the most difficult option?
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Hand picking is very subjective so one persons beauty could be anothers horror.
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........so any other company who restocks on the Ghost bats this season will be taking the ones that Paul rejected....
I am looking from an unbiased viewpoint.....and both IJC and the people replying have their good points.
But from what I can see, the point most people object to is the line I quoted above.
It is very bad practice to make quotes like that as people see it as boastful and unnecessary, and more than a little derogatory towards other retailers?
Especially as other retailers may have already got their stock in earlier.
But even if you were the first retailers to get the choice, then people still see a statement like that as boastful.
But everyone makes mistakes with their posts sometimes! And I am the first to realise that the written word doesn't always reflect what someone is trying to say! However, humility is not a bad thing sometimes! Therefore if one realises that perhaps they have written an ambiguous statement then it is often a good thing to admit you could have worded it better?
Unless you think there was nothing wrong with that statement, in which case best of luck on your sales! The Ghost model is a great bat and I'm sure you'll do well with them!
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Liscon makes a valid point.
We are saying we have what we believe to be the best. Others may disagree.
Will post photos when we get the bats into our store on Weds.
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This is exactly why GM refuse handpicking, your essentially saying product left behind isn't up to scratch. I can see more companies stopping this practice, it's a bad look for their product in my opinion.
Don't think Ijc is saying the bats left behind aren't upto scratch just that Ijc in there opinion have selected the best of what was available during there visit so why not say so after all they are sponsors and its only marketing.
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Seniorplayer seems to get it.
We pointed out that the bats other shops would pick from were ones Paul rejected. That much is a fact. We never said they'd be receiving worse bats.
For example, Paul didn't take any 2'13 bats - he rejected them, because it's not a weight range popular with our customers. However, a rejected 2'13 may still be an absolute beauty and a cannon - so whilst it has been rejected by IJC, doesn't mean it's a bad bat.
We pointed out facts, in a marketing way, but important to note we didn't say other people would be taking worse bats. Easy as that.
CBD
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Am I correct saying these bats have to go through quality control first before even being making it out to retailers to make sure there are no 'rejects'?
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Liscon makes a valid point.
We are saying we have what we believe to be the best. Others may disagree.
Will post photos when we get the bats into our store on Weds.
Can't wait to see them but I doubt they'll be in stock for long, was thinking about getting one but I'm so skint right now haha
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Seniorplayer seems to get it.
We pointed out that the bats other shops would pick from were ones Paul rejected. That much is a fact. We never said they'd be receiving worse bats.
For example, Paul didn't take any 2'13 bats - he rejected them, because it's not a weight range popular with our customers. However, a rejected 2'13 may still be an absolute beauty and a cannon - so whilst it has been rejected by IJC, doesn't mean it's a bad bat.
We pointed out facts, in a marketing way, but important to note we didn't say other people would be taking worse bats. Easy as that.
CBD
SO Paul is the Quality controller for the initial Quality controller? ;)
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Yes - it's what we call a double-filtration process (sound like some fancy water bottle company!)
All big (and small) companies will make sure they are happy with them, and then we go through from there. With 170 bats, there are bound to be some better than others - so it's a benefit to double filter - our customers like it!
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I agree with what you're saying @chrisbd IJC...but from a pure "be smart about it perspective", you could have said "we selected 13 out of a million, and here are these 13 amazing sticks right here...enjoy the pics". That would be non-controversial, AND would achieve your original goal of promoting your brand. You're not in the business of "being right" (thats the customer), you're in the business of making money!
So how about we see those pics?
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Brokenbat - as mentioned above, bats are into our store on Wednesday.
Will attempt to post photos then.
At the minute looks like up to 6/7 could be sold before they reach us, will keep updated!
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I am looking from an unbiased viewpoint.....and both IJC and the people replying have their good points.
But from what I can see, the point most people object to is the line I quoted above.
It is very bad practice to make quotes like that as people see it as boastful and unnecessary, and more than a little derogatory towards other retailers?
Especially as other retailers may have already got their stock in earlier.
But even if you were the first retailers to get the choice, then people still see a statement like that as boastful.
But everyone makes mistakes with their posts sometimes! And I am the first to realise that the written word doesn't always reflect what someone is trying to say! However, humility is not a bad thing sometimes! Therefore if one realises that perhaps they have written an ambiguous statement then it is often a good thing to admit you could have worded it better?
Unless you think there was nothing wrong with that statement, in which case best of luck on your sales! The Ghost model is a great bat and I'm sure you'll do well with them!
I think all that's right, except "boastful", "derogatory" and "unnecessary" are only useful as judgements of character and this thread was not started by a person, it was started by a business. @chrisbd has that logo as his avatar, he's here to sell, he might have a chat about cricket bats like an employee would over the counter in a shop, but he's not here to uncover truths and debate reality: like he said, he's got bills to pay, and he's here to sell cricket bats.
I don't care much if this does or doesn't justify anything IJC have said, but I do think - what on earth are all these people wasting their time criticising posts by salesmen and videos on a cricket shop's Youtube channel as if they're talking to someone they know? Why do you think you're in a position as arbitrator of their behaviour? You can show you approval or disapproval with your wallet, or failing that, set up your own cricket bat shop and do it the right way if you're so invested in the importance of it.
I posted about a long-blade Warbird a week ago, asking if I should get one and I got only one response, from Vitas cricket, who said "Yes they're great, we'll sell you one", I'm sure written by a lovely man with a fantastic business, but I can tell when I'm being spoken to by a salesman, and when I'm engaging in an unbiased conversation. On this forum the salesmen even have a little logo next to their name, telling you who they work for! It doesn't make me angry, I don't feel the need to dissect their attitudes and I can't imagine what would lead someone to need to fight this cause.
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It's certainly one way of selling. A bit too aggressive for my delicate disposition though. But hey, clearly works for some.
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Doesn't work for me. Quite to the contrary, gone from being a regular customer, to never wanting to buy there again.
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I posted about a long-blade Warbird a week ago, asking if I should get one and I got only one response, from Vitas cricket, who said "Yes they're great, we'll sell you one", I'm sure written by a lovely man with a fantastic business, but I can tell when I'm being spoken to by a salesman, and when I'm engaging in an unbiased conversation. On this forum the salesmen even have a little logo next to their name, telling you who they work for! It doesn't make me angry, I don't feel the need to dissect their attitudes and I can't imagine what would lead someone to need to fight this cause.
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=38493.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=38493.0)
Not quite as you described it, you asked a very specific question that not many normal punters could answer. The manufacturer themselves or a distributor are more likely to know about limited, long blade warbirds.
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[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=38493.0[/url] ([url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=38493.0[/url])
Not quite as you described it, you asked a very specific question that not many normal punters could answer. The manufacturer themselves or a distributor are more likely to know about limited, long blade warbirds.
Oh I realise that, I wasn't criticising anyone for not being able to answer my question on that thread.
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What the heck is happening to this forum ? @chrisbd made a tongue in cheek boast about their bats being better than anybody else's, which is perfectly reasonable for a business to do. I have bought equipment off of Vitas and I've bought them of IJC and I've been satisfied with both, so I'm not sure what the fuss is about.
Can we get back to talking about bats ? Instead of pushing out the most active and engaged sponsor on this forum. I wouldn't buy half the bats I buy if it wasn't for Paul's videos.
This discussion is absolutely inane and does not need to happen.
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All getting a bit much this eh??
But for what it's worth my thoughts are that they went and looked through and picked bats from a pile that has been looked through potentially by others, so other retailers could make similar statements! I know the ghosts I looked at in other stores looked beauties also, maybe these were better than there's maybe not...
But the ghost is a nice looking bat, bottom line I don't care what any sponsor says just show me the wood!!!
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Pop your head above the parapet and it will be the first to be shot down. That's the way it is unfortunately. As a sponsor we aren't entitled to any different treatment - just an understanding of the differences of why we are on the forum. Yes, it's a hobby, and we love our job, but we need to make money also - hence us posting what we believe to be true.
Rest assured, the wood will be shown tomorrow - quivering with excitement I'm sure you all are!
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Pop your head above the parapet
Now I'm just thinking of you as the French taunting knight... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY)
"Do you wish to join us in our quest for the Kookaburra Ghost?"
"Nooo thank yew, we 'ave alreedy 'andpeeeked theeem!"
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We can pre-order the Ghost Player edition from GCCC for $1,100!!!
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IJC is a business, everything they do is to sell the public cricket kit and maximise profits. That's what 99.9% of businesses do and at the end of the day of 'we' don't agree with a particular business then simply don't shop with them.
As someone said below, everyone connected to business is simply trying to sell as that's their aim and job. Again, if you want to be different then start your own business.. Of course, don't expect these businesses to play nice if you start beating them.
Glad IjC have their stance, nice to see different approaches in a market where everyone's bat pings like a pingy thing so at least they offer something different.. Even if it's just marketing gumf
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Doesn't work for me. Quite to the contrary, gone from being a regular customer, to never wanting to buy there again.
It's Paul. I asked this thread to be unlocked again as I wanted to get something off my chest. This comment got my attention, but it was really Chris's wording in general that has really disappointed me. It is not representative of the IJC service or our ethics here and I will deal with him accordingly. He wrote the post quoting some facts that I did want to make public, but the paragraph he chose to write in bold was simply not on. As others have said, it comes across as arrogant, and I am inclined to side with these comments more than Chris's. I have always been one who believes that putting down others is not the best way to promote yourselves. I firmly believe it's about talking about what you're good at, or what we do offer - especially if it's a USP - rather than pointing out where others may be lacking that sets you apart from the competition.
I'd like to think that we can convince customers such as Bats_Galore to return to us. I know he is not the only one who feels this way. I find it especially sad when he has made this decision based on the wording of a university student, who hasn't even seen these Ghost bats, and whose views don't always reflect those of IJC. Let's be honest, it's not just this post that he has written that has caused some friction on here. His arrogance and favouritism comes across all too regularly, unfortunately. In this case, I want to stress that I did not write this post, or even have the chance to approve it before Chris made it go live, which is very frustrating.
As many of you will know if you have shopped with us before - especially those who have come in to our store and dealt with Amos and myself - we are anything but arrogant and don't want to be seen as such. We do mention the handpicking element a lot, and customers definitely do buy into it, but never in such a way that it makes us seem like "the best" or makes other stores seem inferior.
Finally, the Ghost bats have now arrived in our store, and anyone who is interested should contact Amos or myself directly, not Chris.
Thanks for reading!
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Very impressed with Paul's post above. Well done and thanks for posting these words.
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Well said Paul. A good move.
Having met, played against and shopped with Paul, I can confirm he is anything but arrogant!
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well said Paul, it's time something was said. Some of us read the posts from IJC and just shake our heads at the tone of them.
Your post is a step in the right direction, let's hope there is better feedback for you going forward.
this might be the start of it. Well said and good luck with the GHOST sales.
:)
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As above.
Please contact directly for enquiries.
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To be fair I think this post is sincere and does alleviate a lot of the concerns and irritations that have prevented me from wanting to shop with IJC going forward. I have a couple of other things that are better discussed directly, I will be certainly more open to shopping there in the future.
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@Bats_Galore I have sent you a PM to discuss further! Thank you for being understanding :)
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Nice to see the error in the original post. I have nothing against IJC but felt the tone of the statement wasn't great.
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And indeed I must say a big mea culpa.
Those who have seen me in the shop and met me will (hopefully) know I'm not an arrogant character.
I got over excited by these bats, which, like the rest of our Ghosts have been, I'm sure will be crackers.
I didn't mean to offend anyone by the tone of it - I think tone is very difficult to judge over a written form. Paul has decided to say what he wants to on here and I respect that and so wanted to follow it up with my own personal words of apologies to all those offended.
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Well done Paul and very well said :)
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It would be great if we could see some pictures of these please!
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Paul has mandated no forum photos. He will send some if you get in touch directly.....
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Oh ok, thanks.
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I feel it is a shame that Paul feels he has to apologise for what Chris has said. In basic terms what Chris has said is 'you snooze, you lose'. A good lesson in life that.
Please let's not get all PC on here guys. A IJC sticker on the back of a bat is a good thing.
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I feel it is a shame that Paul feels he has to apologise for what Chris has said. In basic terms what Chris has said is 'you snooze, you lose'. A good lesson in life that.
Please let's not get all PC on here guys. An IJC sticker on the back of a bat is a good thing.
Did PC stand for Politically Correct or Paul Cole in the above? :D
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I am sorry to open up this can of worms again.
After some thought, it seems that whilst I still welcome Paul's post, and think it was right something was said, I didn't like the original posts from Chris, and especially the tone as has already been gone over. However to me it does seem that Chris has been hung out to dry a bit here. The guy has been integral within the company for as long as I have been dealing with the company, with a good number of the videos (especially softs) been presented by him over that time and whilst I don't agree with some of what he says, it seems something of a character asassination within the apology. Not sure that is completely fair. If I had been working for a company for that long, I would expect a little more loyalty. Anyhow best of luck to them all.
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I feel Chris has done a lot to promote IJC and his softs and especially spike reviews are some of the most informative and enjoyable reviews I have had the pleasure of watching. So much so that I almost purchased a pair of the new Adidas spikes, due to his review. Blaming everything on Chris seems a little bit unfair. This forum is not the easiest place to promote your company and I think Chris has done a good job of promoting IJC. Its is easy to get drawn into a battle of words on this forum and there are a few members that like to bate people in to doing so. Hopefully everything will be resolved.
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People goof up. That's life. Think we should all respect Paul's post for what it is - an admission that they went a bit too far in what they said. Not easy to make an apology like he did in a public forum and I think we should just draw a line under it and move on. I'm looking forward to the next videos and we can all get back to discussing grains, ping and loose insoles.
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I completely agree everyone makes mistakes and things can be worded better. But seems like Paul is making a scape goat out of Chris by throwing him under the bus. Then having a dig by saying what can you expect from a university student. Chris has worked a long side Paul for a long time and in my opinion he has done great work and now Amos has come along it seems three is a crowd.
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I completely agree everyone makes mistakes and things can be worded better. But seems like Paul is making a scape goat out of Chris by throwing him under the bus. Then having a dig by saying what can you expect from a university student. Chris has worked a long side Paul for a long time and in my opinion he has done great work and now Amos has come along it seems three is a crowd.
I agree. And then everyone happy that he was thrown to the wolves. :o
Bats look great though and Ive always had great service from IJC.
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I think we're all jumping at ghosts now. I'll Jedi you all now:
Stormtrooper: Let me see your identification.
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: [with a small wave of his hand] You don't need to see his identification.
Stormtrooper: We don't need to see his identification.
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Stormtrooper: These aren't the droids we're looking for.
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: He can go about his business.
Stormtrooper: You can go about your business.
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Move along.
Stormtrooper: Move along... move along.
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I agree. And then everyone happy that he was thrown to the wolves. :o
Bats look great though and Ive always had great service from IJC.
The forum can be like a Roman coliseum at times, everyone wants to see blood spilled (in a metaphorical sense, of course).
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I think it's all a bit weird- I'm a big fan of IJC, but it is a shame to see laundry aired in public. It is so easy to misinterpret or word something poorly on the internet, and evidently no harm was intended. Maybe the thread could be locked and we could all just move on.
This shall forever been known as GhostGate, though. Incidentally, the bats look pretty tasty to me!
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I completely agree everyone makes mistakes and things can be worded better. But seems like Paul is making a scape goat out of Chris by throwing him under the bus. Then having a dig by saying what can you expect from a university student. Chris has worked a long side Paul for a long time and in my opinion he has done great work and now Amos has come along it seems three is a crowd.
With all due respect, this comment is in very poor taste mate. Especially given that you are a rival retailer. They retract a somewhat controversial statement and close the chapter, and you decide to try and create discord amongst their employees? Poor taste.
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RE Hanif. He'd spoken to me to ensure no discord was created, which I appreciated - so I don't think it was anything to do with that! He's just airing views, and was good of him to communicate with me!
You can see the Ghost bats briefly in the new Awkward Aussie video!
CBD
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No bat pics and 6 pages of discussion? :o
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No bat pics and 6 pages of discussion? :o
The worlds gone mad.
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yeap, watched it on Youtube just now!
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No bat pics and 6 pages of discussion? :o
as bob dylan said, the times they are a changin'
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Just watched the vid.. The bats look huge for the weight! Has anybody used the ghost in anger yet? What are their thoughts?
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I know @smilley792 has one, I hope he's used it in anger.
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I know @smilley792 has one, I hope he's used it in anger.
It's on the list to!
I got my Warner in October and last night was the first time I used that one in anger
Give me a few months on the ghost.....
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I know @smilley792 has one, I hope he's used it in anger.
Have you seen him bat? Everything is done in anger ;)
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I think the last 5 or so pages of this thread are rather unedifying, and don't reflect well at all on IJC as a business.
It would be best if they were deleted, and we just went back to looking at the bats without any provocative or contentious statements by the OP.
We are, after all, about the kit, and not whether certain staff-members require a spanking for going 'off-message'.
Hurrumph!!! Very poor show!
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I think the last 5 or so pages of this thread are rather unedifying, and don't reflect well at all on IJC as a business.
It would be best if they were deleted, and we just went back to looking at the bats without any provocative or contentious statements by the OP.
We are, after all, about the kit, and not whether certain staff-members require a spanking for going 'off-message'.
Hurrumph!!! Very poor show!
Down with censorship
Free the forum
Spank the staff
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It's on the list to!
I got my Warner in October and last night was the first time I used that one in anger
Give me a few months on the ghost.....
Simply cannot wait that long! Give me the Warner and then review the Ghost in action!
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Has it occurred to anyone Paul may have posted "I'm offended Chris would use that tone! I'll be dealing with him accordingly!" on the forum, after having said to Chris face to face - What are they on about now? For Christ's sake! I'll post something on there saying I've told you off to shut the whinging b****rds up, I'd leave them alone mate, not worth the hassle.
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Paul and @chrisbd , I don't know why you bother. The post was perfectly reasonable, but you get some chaps on here who sit behind their keyboards bored at work pick posts apart for the sake of entertaining themselves. It's getting so boring to have to wade through pages and pages of your topics because the same old characters are whinging about nothing.
Anyway, on a lighter note Surrey kick of their T20 campaign on the 26th and I'm hoping you guys will still have a couple of these left so I can see for myself what all the fuss is about on my way to the Oval. Keep doing what you're doing.
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I got my Warner in October and last night was the first time I used that one in anger
@smilley792 , how was it? I haven't used mine yet.
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ALERT. ALERT! WE HAVE WOOD PHOTOS!
(http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad145/thebd11/WhatsApp-Image-20160512.jpeg) (http://s930.photobucket.com/user/thebd11/media/WhatsApp-Image-20160512.jpeg.html).
2'9 - 40mm edges and 65mm spines as a minimum on both of these!
CBD
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@smilley792 , how was it? I haven't used mine yet.
34 of 19(was told 32 of 18 last night) first ball defend, second ball a bye, then 2 4s through cover, they put a man out so thought I'd try and clear him. He stood and watched as it sailed over his head.
Was pretty much clock face for rest of my innings, but did get a one bounce four through square leg when I just tried to flick it there!
It's certainly got a middle!
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Chris, what are the prices on the 2 bats you have posted
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All the Ghosts are priced at £199.99.
Please note these were the only 2'9 ones they had in the shipment at Kooks. Poor Paul had his scales out for over 200 bats only to get 2 in this weight! Thus they are the only ones we have!
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One on the left has sold! Will get some 2'10 photos up now!
CBD
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Take a look at these beauties. 2'10 all of them - but for me they pick up a touch lighter.
Supposedly Grade 3 willow? No way!
(http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad145/thebd11/210%20clean%20ghost.jpg) (http://s930.photobucket.com/user/thebd11/media/210%20clean%20ghost.jpg.html)
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They look good for Grade 3. But pricing seems steep for G3. However I think I am just a tight wad who moans at all prices these days when cricket gear is concerned.
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I'd agree if we thought they were genuinely G3 - £200 can be a lot. But then we handpick ones which basically are G2 (I've seen G1 bats look worse than this), so we tend not to pay tooooo much attention to things like the official grading!
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Grading accurately has never been Kook's strength has it, lovely looking bats.
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Could we say that the extra price compared to other grade 3 bats is for the "lighter clefts" that are probably used to make these huge full-profile bats? I mean there has to be something in there somewhere because I imagine light clefts are probably harder (no pun intended) to come by?
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Stickers sell bats too...
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Absolutely. I think the consistent size with which these come out is just absurd. Like I said before, every single one in 40mm plus! Ridiculous. And as you said, hardly any concaving either.
With regards to stickers - I think yes, up to a point. The classic example of this is the Blade. I love the look of the all black stickers, and it's got a nice full profile etc. However, it may be cheaper because of the clefts yes. The Blade 500 is a lot less than the Ghost 500 - reason being it is much smaller. (Yes, it's slightly fuller but even so!) So I broadly agree with both previous comments!
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Chris, as was mentioned somewhere, Kookaburra didn't anticipate this bat selling as well as it has. Given that it has sold extraordinarily well and perhaps IJC's experience with similar situations, do you feel Kookaburra may be pressured in to delivering next year and could this result in a dip in quality if they don't have enough light clefts available to satisfy the demand?
Has anyone measured the moisture content of these bats? I'm curious to know whether these are just genuinely light clefts or over-dried, or perhaps a combination of the two?
Perhaps moisture content is something IJC could add to their already comprehensive reviews :D
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Is it possible to acquire so many lighter clefts for mass production? It will be nice if someone with proper tools can do a test to find out moisture content of these beauties :)
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@av8r , :)..didn't see your message.
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You can't accurately read moisture content on a finished bat without cutting it open.
The edges on the Ghost taper inwards, from bottom to top if the bat is laid face down, which accounts for some of the size/weight ratio.
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@Vitas Cricket, thanks for the input. Isn't there a moisture probe that could be inserted or something?
Yeah I read about the edges tapering in on a different thread, but there's got to be more to it than that. Also, any physicists out there want to speculate on what the tapered edge could do for power distribution across the face and/or aerodynamics and bat speed? :D
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@Vitas Cricket, thanks for the input. Isn't there a moisture probe that could be inserted or something?
You can place a moisture meter on the surface but this doesn't give a truly accurate reading. I believe Jason from cricket store online did a rather amusing test a few years ago with one of these where he tried to make the moisture through a scuff sheet on a GM (and surprisingly it showed 0)
Measuring moisture content just isn't gradable for a retailer really. Would you buy a "brand new bat" with a hole in it where someone had stuck a moisture probe? I know I certainly wouldn't lol
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oh well, in that case we have wait for 6 months or so to see if any of kook ghosts start falling apart.
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34 of 19(was told 32 of 18 last night) first ball defend, second ball a bye, then 2 4s through cover, they put a man out so thought I'd try and clear him. He stood and watched as it sailed over his head.
Was pretty much clock face for rest of my innings, but did get a one bounce four through square leg when I just tried to flick it there!
It's certainly got a middle!
@smilley792 , would you move it to the top of your bat hierarchy as in your go-to match bat?
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@smilley792 , would you move it to the top of your bat hierarchy as in your go-to match bat?
I open sats, still don't think it's ready for a (No Swearing Please) league supplied new ball! Will just be my midweek bat for now.
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Perhaps moisture content is something IJC could add to their already comprehensive reviews :D
Losing sight of the forest for the trees here...if the bat performs, use it and be happy. Life, and certainly the cricket season, is short; so, take your best performing bat to the middle. No bowler has ever asked for my bat's moisture content after being hit ( or not hit :D ).
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I seriously wish I hadn't joined this forum. Every time I think my kit buying is done for the year, another bat shows up and all I can think of is "Right how do I explain this extremely important and necessary purchase of another cricket to the Mrs". We need a thread of the best excuses to buy these beauties. Loving the pics. Gotta say that kookaburra looks like one of the buys of the season, even if you bat at no.8 like yours truly :D
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I reckon @rockymoghal if you got one of these - I could knock up a quick email to you saying something about "congratulations you won the prize of a Kookaburra Ghost" to show the Mrs ;)
Teamwork!
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Forget all this handpicked trouble causing, THAT right there is the bloody holy grail !
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Haha, happy to sort it for any forum guys! Would only be something basic but is easy enough to do!
CBD
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BOOM! @rockymoghal you have no excuse now haha ;)
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Haha Chris that is absolute genius. I think more than a few people would see this as very useful. You really are making difficult for me lol. I went from "Oh that's a nice looking bat" to "Just take my money already". I am visiting the store on the 21st. Fingers crossed there is something left for me to see. Then we can organise the email :D
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^ Next step is to hide the Credit card statement :D
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The edges on the Ghost taper inwards, from bottom to top if the bat is laid face down, which accounts for some of the size/weight ratio.
Are you sure? Not seen any evidence of this on any website. Any pics?
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Are you sure? Not seen any evidence of this on any website. Any pics?
It's pretty subtle to the casual glance, but all the ones I've seen taper inwards
Is not in any product description, rightly or wrongly...
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Does edge tapering matter? as long as the edge doesn't bulge outwards then surely this is a good design element?
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Does edge tapering matter? as long as the edge doesn't bulge outwards then surely this is a good design element?
I don't think it does when it's minor/subtle like the ghost, if taken to its extreme the shape of the bat would be more akin to a triangle
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Thanks, Jake. Think it would make sense to have all bats with tapered edges and put the extra oz. or two in the middle of the spine.
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Pics or it doesn't taper :D
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Greg Chappel has released previews for all the new kook bats
$800 for a grade 2??????
KOOK GHOST PRO PLAYERS 1 LE EW BAT SH
$1,100
This is madness
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Pics or it doesn't taper :D
it has been confirmed here by many people who have seen the bat @uknsaunders .. if you look closely enough at the pics here (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=37811.15 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=37811.15)) you'll be able to see it - look at pics of the back of the bat. now, start drawing a line from the edge of the toe, towards the shoulders, and you'll see that the bat narrows as you reach the middle of the bat.
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Haha @jd163 I think we can sort that out. @chrisbd can just sort out an invoice showing my donation to the "IJC foundation" lol :D
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BOOM! @rockymoghal you have no excuse now haha ;)
ow this is good cusotmer service, people waitng for the payday to show wifey what they won.
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Greg Chappel has released previews for all the new kook bats
$800 for a grade 2??????
KOOK GHOST PRO PLAYERS 1 LE EW BAT SH
$1,100
This is madness
I watched the video and the only thing in common with the UK Ghost is the stickers. Aussie bat is 4.5 camber face, 3-4 mm concave and grade 1 willow. Looks like a revised version of a previous local model not the newer shaped monster on offer in the UK for £200.
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About this edge tapering, I'm sure I read something a while ago where some students had done some research and found that edges tapering outwards would make any ball that comes off the edge go straight down. Obviously to meet rules the face had to be less wide but it was interesting none the less.
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If I understood @Vitas Cricket correctly, when the bat is laid face down, the edges taper from the face to the back of the bat i.e the face is wider than the back (see the image below). The other forum people seem to think the face of the bat tapers in from the toe to the shoulder, reducing the width of the blade. I feel that could just be an artefact of the angle from which the photo was taken. Neveretheless, I'm getting my Ghost in a few days so I'll measure it up and report back :D
@TangoWhiskey , the tapering of the ghost (if I'm understanding Vitas Cricket correctly) is the opposite of what those students did
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Yeah, that's what I was alluding to ;)
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@TangoWhiskey Which leads me to wonder if the inward tapering has the opposite effect of making it fly off the edge so to speak ;)
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http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=38856.msg616927#new (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=38856.msg616927#new)
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Both 2'9 bats are sold! I'll put some photos up of some heavier ones tomorrow!!
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picked this beauty up today...
(http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y480/MrMeister/3f5f2e3ff3f35178c904927229d11ed2_zpsabcbfqwr.jpg)
2.11
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nice looking stick, im sure iys gna b a cracker
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nice looking stick, im sure iys gna b a cracker
Got the "nice looking stick" statement. What on Earth does "im sure iys gna b a cracker" mean? Is there something wrong with your keyboard?
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Got the "nice looking stick" statement. What on Earth does "im sure iys gna b a cracker" mean? Is there something wrong with your keyboard?
meaning its gna play well, spelt a word wrong hu-ha.. why do certain people feel the need to knitpik all the time, you clearly have too much time on your hands to even reply to that.. if your gna try to correct every post on this forum u'll be here for weeks mate, jog on
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meaning its gna play well, spelt a word wrong hu-ha.. why do certain people feel the need to knitpik all the time, you clearly have too much time on your hands to even reply to that.. if your gna try to correct every post on this forum u'll be here for weeks mate, jog on
I give up my time free of charge to help Administer this forum so that people such as yourself are free to enjoy it. Therefore I feel I have earned a little more respect than your attitude shows! So I'd suggest you wind your neck in!!
By the way, text conversation is banned from this forum so please ensure you use grown up words from now on.
Thank you.
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i apologise if you feel disrespected, and i did not no text talk was banned, but you simply could have just said that instead of tryimg to belittle me on a public forum
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Apology accepted. I wasn't attempting to belittle you - I was genuinely unsure of whether you were using text talk or whether there was something wrong with your keyboard. The confusion was that some looked like text talk whilst some didn't (iys)
So no worries.
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Get your head down this weekend Pete, and score a few
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All of these are 2'11, except the far right is 2'12!
(http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad145/thebd11/211%20and%20212%20ghosts.jpeg) (http://s930.photobucket.com/user/thebd11/media/211%20and%20212%20ghosts.jpeg.html)
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i apologise if you feel disrespected, and i did not no text talk was banned, but you simply could have just said that instead of tryimg to belittle me on a public forum
@raza147 maybe now would be an opportune time to have a look at the forum codes of conduct. It could help avoid situations like the above in the future ;)
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=25409.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=25409.0)
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Hi, if you have kakabura ghost in 2:8 or under, I will buy, let know,thx
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Hi mate - sorry. The Ghost doesn't come in any lighter than 2'9. We actually picked the last 2'9 bats too which have sold out, so the lightest bats now are 2'10. They pick up a touch lighter for me too! So it may be suitable still!
@Chauhan1947
Chris
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@chrisbd & @ItsJustCricket - All the Ghost bats look kick ass ! Hope Kook releases Ghost 1000 and Pro model for all retailers next year ... Any sign of that ? Have you guys heard anything from Kook ?
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Yes, we believe that is in the plans for next season. We had a long call with our Kooks rep who actually asked us for our feedback to help them design next year's range which was pretty cool! Nice to be involved with stuff like this!
CBD
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Yes, we believe that is in the plans for next season. We had a long call with our Kooks rep who actually asked us for our feedback to help them design next year's range which was pretty cool! Nice to be involved with stuff like this!
CBD
Fantastic news then ... Ghost 1000 .. Finally a good one to go for !
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Hi, if you have kakabura ghost in 2:8 or under, I will buy, let know,thx
Can anyone help Chauhan out? He's asked everyone!
Why oh why is there no bat for Chauhan?
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A lad at my club rocked up with a Ghost on Saturday - first time using it. I had to have a go being the badger I am, so couple in the nets and I almost stole it!
Cracking blade - a lot of wood in there and picks up insanely well. Feels a lot lighter than my Kippaxs yet is only 2-3Oz lighter! Great ping and for the price, a great blade! Contemplating time!
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IMO, the Ghost is the best bat to come from the Kookaburra stable since the Kahuna a few years ago!
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We still have a few of these left. Anyone who has seen @ursmasti's kind review will know what stunners these are!
CBD
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IMO, the Ghost is the best bat to come from the Kookaburra stable since the Kahuna a few years ago!
What's the difference between the old kahunas and the new ones?
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What's the difference between the old kahunas and the new ones?
I would take a guess at the stickers
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I have messaged u and left my mobile no, please ring me asap im interested in a 2lb 9/10
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I have messaged u and left my mobile no, please ring me asap im interested in a 2lb 9/10
You won't be getting a 2lb 9 one....
Hi mate - sorry. The Ghost doesn't come in any lighter than 2'9. We actually picked the last 2'9 bats too which have sold out, so the lightest bats now are 2'10. They pick up a touch lighter for me too! So it may be suitable still!
@Chauhan1947
Chris
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@oldfudger Have replied to your PM!
Chris
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We actually picked the last 2'9 bats too which have sold out
@Chauhan1947
Maybe someone picked all the lighter ones from factory and you got only the "rejected" ones picked by UK warehouse! ;)
So Sorry but just couldn't resist :D
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@chrisbd & @ItsJustCricket - All the Ghost bats look kick ass ! Hope Kook releases Ghost 1000 and Pro model for all retailers next year ... Any sign of that ? Have you guys heard anything from Kook ?
Looks like they will given they are at two different Aussie retailers.
http://www.cricketcentre.com.au/kook-ghost-players-p-310598.html (http://www.cricketcentre.com.au/kook-ghost-players-p-310598.html)
http://cricketwarehouse.com.au/collections/new-products/products/kookaburra-ghost-pro-players-1-limited-edition (http://cricketwarehouse.com.au/collections/new-products/products/kookaburra-ghost-pro-players-1-limited-edition)
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Just seen this on Kingsgrove Inst
https://instagram.com/p/BF5fN8tS6SD/ (https://instagram.com/p/BF5fN8tS6SD/)