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Title: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 31, 2016, 12:54:30 PM
Having had the unfortunate reality of getting smashed about the park (30 off an over) and very little experience of bowling spin I had no reply and kept getting smashed the ought the over, got a few tips off @roco and @hosk how to recover (go very full and flatter) I'm just wondering if anyone else has any other tips/ideas on how to stem the tide!

I'd like to add before that one over I'd gone for 2-13 off 3 before this one!

Thanks
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: Calzehbhoy on May 31, 2016, 01:00:38 PM
I'd go opposite, slow and loopy!

I bowl leggies so slightly different but if I get hit for 6 the next ball is bowled with more flight and a lot slower.

If I hit a spinner for 6 I instantly expect the next ball to be a dart.
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: Buzz on May 31, 2016, 01:04:21 PM
Options, in my view, are either flat and very straight or slower, good hang time and importantly wider of off stump so the batsman has to reach for it and can't just swing.
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: FattusCattus on May 31, 2016, 01:13:16 PM
Also - accept that it's going to happen sometimes - and it can be very frustrating - work hard on your different option delivery in the nets, that's where you can get it down to pat in an unpressurised environment.

I got tap on Saturday coming on to bowl when the big smack was on.

I came on again on Sunday against a rampant pair and managed to stick to a plan and pick up 3 wkts without going through my usual stroppy routine.

Get that variation up to snuff and you've got somewhere to go - I must admit, I usually go even slower if I've been hit over the top.
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: uknsaunders on May 31, 2016, 01:18:13 PM
To be fair, it was the first 3 balls that let you down. Two long hops and 5 wides, put you at 15 conceded off 2 balls. The two 6's were just good shots. Consistency is the key and minimising the bad drag down ball. You can't stop the batsman playing good shots but you can control what you bowl him.
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: roco on May 31, 2016, 01:41:10 PM
The batsmen in question was backing away and clearing front leg

So if I was bowling my spin I would go wide Yorker as we said

If he is clearing front leg his power shots will be to leg if you can get a wide Yorker in there is not much he can do unless you can get a straight flat Yorker in
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: tommo256 on May 31, 2016, 01:43:41 PM
I take all the pace off it, and make the batsmen generate the pace and power to take me on
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: roco on May 31, 2016, 01:49:28 PM
He did and he did haha
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: roco on May 31, 2016, 01:49:59 PM
Not the biggest of grounds though so don't sweat it too much Alex
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: tommo256 on May 31, 2016, 01:53:14 PM
I played at a small ground Saturday and bowled with the short boundary behind me, so knew I had to bowl cleverly. I took all pace off it and ended up with 5, at 5 am over so.
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: InternalTraining on May 31, 2016, 02:21:38 PM
Having had the unfortunate reality of getting smashed about the park (30 off an over) and very little experience of bowling spin I had no reply and kept getting smashed the ought the over, got a few tips off @roco and @hosk how to recover (go very full and flatter) I'm just wondering if anyone else has any other tips/ideas on how to stem the tide!

I'd like to add before that one over I'd gone for 2-13 off 3 before this one!

Thanks

You haven't mentioned if you are a  a finger spinner or a wrist spinner and what's your stock ball. Since you have "very little experience of bowling spin", I suggest developin a stock ball or delivery - something that you can comfortably and regularly bowl without giving away runs and pushing batter to defend.

This is cricket and poo happens. You had a bad day (or an over). Think about big picture. If you want to develop as a spinner, you'd have to develop a stock ball. Then, you'd have to work on variations. There is always going to be a batter out there who will hit you out of the park but you want to stay focused on your progress (accuracy and variation). Good things will eventually happen for you. :)
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 31, 2016, 02:27:04 PM
You haven't mentioned if you are a  a finger spinner or a wrist spinner and what's your stock ball. Since you have "very little experience of bowling spin", I suggest developin a stock ball or delivery - something that you can comfortably and regularly bowl without giving away runs and pushing batter to defend.

This is cricket and poo happens. You had a bad day (or an over). Think about big picture. If you want to develop as a spinner, you'd have to develop a stock ball. Then, you'd have to work on variations. There is always going to be a batter out there who will hit you out of the park but you want to stay focused on your progress (accuracy and variation). Good things will eventually happen for you. :)

My stock ball is ok, decent pace and flight get turn and bounce and I feel o can control it when I get the positioning on the crease right, I'm a finger spinner (right arm) and I've only been bowling twirly stuff since January so I know it takes time!

Just want to know the options o have to work on :)
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: roco on May 31, 2016, 02:27:14 PM
He is an off spinner and a finger spinner

He has a stock ball which was good as spin and dip but they guy lined that up and it has never happened to him before

It will come with experience
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: rahul_1987 on May 31, 2016, 03:38:45 PM
I am an off spinner and I usually bowl way outside off and slower to begin with when such a situation arises. Most batsmen tend to slog towards cow corner so that helps. You might also end up getting a wicket.
If you bowl darts outside off then those may still go for runs from outside edges.
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: ManHOOS on May 31, 2016, 03:47:28 PM
Flighted off spin way outside off stump, you will be fine just set your fielders on offside
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: kenbriooo on May 31, 2016, 04:21:41 PM
Was this in the 7aside game? If so I suspect the mentality of the batsman would have been much different from a normal situation.
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 31, 2016, 05:47:27 PM
Yeah it was but having gone for 13 off 3 before this and I want to have a plan in place of it happens in the league, especially if it's a tight run chase
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: tommo256 on May 31, 2016, 05:49:27 PM
Don't change to much from normal, I've never been taken for a massive over but the mistake is more likely to come by you bowling the same than you trying to change from your normal game plan
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: Manormanic on May 31, 2016, 06:53:55 PM
Another option if you have a batsman clearing the front leg and looking to go over cow is to stick the ball very wide of off stump, but short of a length - its surprising how often the batsman sets himself for the big leg side shot then looks to cut without adjusting his feet properly and either lobs one up or chops on.
Title: Re: Off spin - recovery when being hit all over
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 31, 2016, 07:59:35 PM
Develop a much quicker ball and take the blokes head off!
(Only tends to work on harder decks with a reasonably hard ball though)