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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: liscon12 on June 14, 2016, 07:56:24 AM
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So one test series finishes in a 2-0 will and over all in the 'Super Series' we are 10-2 up however Pakistan are coming later this summer and I would love get the ball rolling on who people think the starting XI will be on that first morning at Lords. My prediction for the first Test against SL was spot on so I hope I can make it two out of two for this one. As usual the ECB selectors are very conservative and only dropping players if necessary and the only player in the 'killzone' is Compton. The only complication I can see is Woakes and Stokes, who do you pick or do you try and get both in the Squad.
1- A.Cook
2- A.Hales
3- J.Vince
4- J.Root
5- J.Bairstow
6- B.Stokes/C.Woakes
7- J.Butler
8- M.Ali
9- S.Broad
10- S.Finn/J.Ball
11- J.Anderson
I'm not as confident with the squad as my SL pick as there are too many uncertainties, the selectors could in fact go with a specialist number 3 and leave Vince at 5 with the likes of S.Borthwick coming in to fill Compton's spot.
1- A.Cook
2- A.Hales
3- S.Borthwick?
4- J.Root
5- J.Vince
6- B.Stokes/C.Woakes
7- J.Bairstow
8- M.Ali
9- S.Broad
10- S.Finn/J.Ball
11- J.Anderson
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I think your second choice will be closer to the mark, with one change (presuming Stokes is fit)
1- A.Cook
2- A.Hales
3- S.Borthwick
4- J.Root
5- J.Vince
6- B.Stokes
7- J.Bairstow
8- M.Ali
9- S. Broad
10- S.Finn/C.Woakes
11- J.Anderson
Although obviously if Woakes gets picked ahead of Finn he will bat higher than Broad. If Stokes isn't fit then both Woakes and Finn will play imo with Woakes batting at 8 and YJB and Ali bumping up a spot.
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A previous reply from Sri Lanka Thread
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Side to face Pakistan?
Cook- yep. And cap
Hales- done enough to maintain the spot
Borthwick- Compton hasn't done enough and time to go.
Root- off course
Vince- will get another series despite not pulling up any roots.
Stokes- if recovers if not still woakes.
Bairstow- yep!
Ali- do we have anyone better? If borthwick scores runs and take wickets though.....)
Broad. Yep
Finn-could be replaced by ball if he doesn't get a good game soon
Anderson- yep
Big what if, but if borthwick can prove to be abetted spinner than Ali future sides could be.
Hales
Cook
Borthwick
Root
Vince
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Broad
Ball/Finn
Anderson
Is five seamers and a spinner to much?
Or do you shoe another actually batsman in instead of woakes?
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Dunno, Woakes is a decent bat to come in at 8 FC avg in the mid to high 30's
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Stokes won't be fit until the 2nd match.
I think Finn may be the man to drop out to make way for Stokes if he hasn't shaped up.
I'm not quite getting the fuss to get Buttler back in the side so that alongside me being a Durham fan and picking people on merit I would just bring Borthwick in for Compton.
Cook
Hales
Borthwick
Root
Vince
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Finn
Anderson
With Stokes returning for possibly Finn and Bairstow downwards shifting a place.
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I would pick Robson ahead of Borthwick unless the selectors genuinely think his spin could be used a lot, and Woakes ahead of Finn when Stokes is fit.
Foakes and Buttler should both be working hard in the knowledge that there's a place up for grabs for the winter tours in the likely scenario that Bairstow keeps missing chances.
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R.e Buttler
He was dropped by Mumbai from stumping after one game, as they thought Patel was much better against the turning ball.
If they didn't trust him in India, can we?
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R.e Buttler
He was dropped by Mumbai from stumping after one game, as they thought Patel was much better against the turning ball.
If they didn't trust him in India, can we?
Possibly not, but he's definitely a better keeper than Bairstow, and has shown he can make quick improvements to his keeping. Given enough time Buttler will be an excellent keeper, I'm not sure Bairstow ever will be.
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Possibly not, but he's definitely a better keeper than Bairstow, and has shown he can make quick improvements to his keeping. Given enough time Buttler will be an excellent keeper, I'm not sure Bairstow ever will be.
bairstow it's blantantly obvious from his interview last night he is 'proving a point' and wants to be the keeper and not just a batsman. Yes he is improving but like you I cannot see how he will improve that much. He is not a natural.
at the risk of getting pelters(tin hat on) Butler is a better keeper and i'm convinced has a role in the team long term. Butler's batting has been mentioned on here many times, I think myself he has massive ability not just in the one day game.
this is a tricky issue going forward for England
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Agree completely @ppccopener , suspect Foakes may be the one to get the nod in the end though. Will be interesting to see the winter squad announcements for sure.
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Prior was a less than impressive keeper when he first came into the England set up but he (like YJB imo) had the attitude and determination to work hard on improving, I think Bairstow will improve his keeping, he's a Yorkshire man, too bloody minded not to.
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Is five seamers and a spinner to much?
Or do you shoe another actually batsman in instead of woakes?
Well, if you were going to have five seamers, it would not be those five, even though the six names you'e listed are certainly the first six in the pecking order. There is simply no point in having fie right arm seamers of whom none exceed 88mph or drop below 82mph. You may conceiveably select five seamers, but the worst of the five right armers (I'd say Finn right now) would be replaced by a left armer or by someone who could bowl serious gas. That brings the likes of Footitt, Willey and Plunkett into consideration
My team? Compton has to go, Vince deserves another go. playing Borthwick makes sense - whatever you think of his game, the lad has scored more runs over the last two and a half seasons than anyone not called Jonny Bairstow. Has to be worth a go, and our side to India is likely to require three spinners so its a way of protecting a seamer. Buttler is a non starter, so...
Cook
Hales
Borthwick
Root
Bairstow X
Vince
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Footitt (but in reality Finn)
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India is a tough one. I'm thinking at this moment:
Cook
Hales
Borthwick
Root
Bairstow
Vince
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Though that leaves two leggies, I think its more likely than Patel being the third twirler.
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No stokes for Pakistan Manormanic?
The side for the next test will be...
Cook
Hales
Borthwick
Root
Vince
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson.
Personally I am not sure Vince has enough to play at this level, I would pick Westly to open, put Hales at 3 and have borthwick at 5.
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Whilst borthwick is in great touch for Durham and bats 3 for them, is he really good enough to bat three for England now? I haven't seen too much of him so that isn't a derogatory statement, asking for people who have seen to throw their opinions in? I wonder if he is the next in line should vince not convince at 5. Who that means replaces Compton I don't know!
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I don't think you will do Vince any favours asking him to bat at 3 in a test side at this stage.
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Only change will be Compton out and Borthwick in. No need to change a winning team for now...
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I don't think you will do Vince any favours asking him to bat at 3 in a test side at this stage.
agreed..especially against an attack that is a few levels above that of SL.
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No stokes for Pakistan Manormanic?
No, given he is injured.
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It will definitely just be 1 change Borthwick for Compton. The selectors always have 1 eye on the next series and by getting Borthwick in it makes the dynamic of the team completely different and allows them to have an extra spinner in India etc...
The really interesting question will come if YJB has a bad series with the gloves against PAK - with another test at Lords with the slope and moving ball. Personally i hope he comes good as he seems to be determined and working hard at it etc... realistically as a keeper myself i think ultimately he will end up as our no. 5 for a long time and someone like Foakes will get their chance. YJB just doesn't look like he is a natural keeper or more importantly he has the concentration levels when keeping.
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If he didn't have to carry the batting his concentration might hold up a bit better!!!
I'm backing him to improve enough to hold down the keeping role.
I reckon Vince will come good too.
Personally I'd prefer Root at 3, and either swop Compton for Stokes (if fit, though I thought he wasn't available until the 2nd test) with Benji slotting in at either 5 or 6 or if we do pick only one from Woakes or Finn, then blood the new man at 5.
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JB will be a great keeper in time, just like Prior before him and Jones before they will make mistakes even Gilchrist, Healey, Stewart dropped them at times but when your a keeper it stands out. There was a great piece during the last test were Alex Stewart was talking about when he trained with Alan Knott that work to 90% and if your achieve 90% that's world class.
He will be working like mad on that foot movement and I reckon he will come good.
It's easier for him to work on his keeping than it will be for Butler to become a good enough batsmen for Test cricket in my opinion
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JB will be a great keeper in time, just like Prior before him and Jones before they will make mistakes even Gilchrist, Healey, Stewart dropped them at times but when your a keeper it stands out. There was a great piece during the last test were Alex Stewart was talking about when he trained with Alan Knott that work to 90% and if your achieve 90% that's world class.
He will be working like mad on that foot movement and I reckon he will come good.
It's easier for him to work on his keeping than it will be for Butler to become a good enough batsmen for Test cricket in my opinion
Behave.
Bairstow is proper ordinary with the gloves. Buttler isn't exactly flash but he's better than Bairstow. Bairstow will be exposed in Bangladesh and India.
Prior wasn't a great keeper by any stretch of the imagination.
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And Jones was worse,
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Behave.
Bairstow is proper ordinary with the gloves. Buttler isn't exactly flash but he's better than Bairstow. Bairstow will be exposed in Bangladesh and India.
Prior wasn't a great keeper by any stretch of the imagination.
Prior was a mighty fine keeper.
His efforts when Eng won the series in India for example, keeping to Swann and Monty showed how good he was.
Yes he played on too long with ruined Achilles, but to denigrate his achievements is ridiculous. Even by your standards.
He was an intigral part of one of England's best ever teams too.
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Prior was a mighty fine keeper.
His efforts when Eng won the series in India for example, keeping to Swann and Monty showed how good he was.
Yes he played on too long with ruined Achilles, but to denigrate his achievements is ridiculous. Even by your standards.
He was an intigral part of one of England's best ever teams too.
Philip, Philip, Philip...
Blinded by your rose tinted glasses my friend.
Prior was a decent keeper to seam/swing bowling. Standing up to the stumps he was poor and at times embarrassingly poor. The amount of missed stumpings and catches of Swann/Panesar are endless.
And for the record Prior only took 7 dismissals in the series against India, of which only 3 wickets where off spin bowling.
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Endless? Wow we must have been even better than I thought to create that many chances!
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Prior and jones were both fine keepers in the term of modern keeper batsmen role and I'm a form believer that JB will be as well. Asia will be a test for any keeper on slow, low decks that take turn but let's and wait how that series pans out
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Sorry can't agree, Jones was ordinary and Prior became adequate. I am loathe to be critical of anyone that plays international cricket because I know the amount of work it requires, but both these guys in the scheme of great keepers are average at best.
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Prior did work incredibly hard on his keeping to get himself up to the level needed, and a brilliant and under rated player for us he was...
Modern day keepers are very different so it's hard to compare a 'proper' keeper to what England have had previously.
I don't confess to be any sort of expert on wicket-keeping, ive done it a few times for my club and did ok, but I grew up watching Jack Russell and saw Chris Read at the MCC v ROW game and it's then you appreciate just how easy the 'real' keepers make it look-it's class just watching these guys.
Bairstow my guess will be short of Prior's ability. Butler is the better keeper I reckon...
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The encouraging stuff about Bairstow is that he's adamant he wants to keep wicket. How many tests has he kept in now? Not that I know anything about keeping but all signs point to him improving on it. As of now I'd say Buttler is the better keeper but don't see him being close to YJB as far as tests are concerned.
Also some Surrey bias but I can imagine with time that Foakes will play for England at some point down the line.
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3 pages of slagging Bairstow and his keeping. Can we change the topic title?
Oh and an Australian slagging England off again, boring
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Seeing as:
A) We all love cricket
B) The title is England vs Pakistan
C) Reading negativity isn't as fun
How about I get the ball rolling on what the Pakistan XI will be
1)Hafeez (if fit)
2) Shan Masood A.K.A. Mr B3 cricket
3) Younis Khan
4) Azhar Ali
5) Misbah ul-haq
6) Asad Shadow
7) Safraz Ahmed
8) Wahab Riaz
9) Yasir Shah
10) Mohammed Amir
11) Sohail Khan / Zulfiqar Babar (depending on the pitch)
I'm sure everyone here can give some input on this :D
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Asad Shadow?! Have Pakistan signed a Marvel villain to bat at 6? England should be worried.
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Haha well thank you autocorrect. But to answer your question @edge he is obviously not a marvel villain. He's a DC comics villain of course. Come on the name just gives it away lol
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Don't really follow Pakistan but it seems a shame that Ahmed Shehzad(looks like a clone of Virat Kohli) and Umar Akmal's careers have tapered off. Both had plenty of talent but seem to lack the mental side required for international cricket.
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Yeah it's a real shame because both of them fit into the team perfectly. But you're right, for one reason or another they just lacked the mental side of cricket and couldn't produce the consistency which is so rarely seen in pakistan cricket. I honestly believe the top players in the world perform so well because they can manage and excel on the mental side of the game. Kohli, Root and Williamson are all brilliant because they just seem to love the pressure, they thrive off it.
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@rockymoghal & @Aussie In England,
How many times did both, Umar Akmal and Ahmad Shahzad do good under pressure? Akmal did it dozen or so times which is more than Shahzad. Both have ability but lack brain.
Virat Kohli, Kane Williamson, Joe Root et al have been very diligent and strives to be better whereas Umar Akmal just regressed both in terms of cricket and physically.
I'm extremely glad they are dropped as they were doing nothing and just harming the team. Selectors did a great job to drop them or else Pakistan would have seen two more Shahid Afridi's.
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I agree with you 100% @Cover Drive. It's frustrating because Umar akmal and Shahzad both have so much ability but just don't seem to work for it. Umar akmal hands down has every shot in the book but when you're getting frustrated and constantly ask for chances up the order even though you don't show the temperament it's silly.
Fawad alarm was not elegant or beautiful but he worked hard at the crease. His intent at the wicket was something to admire and something I wish our other players showed. How he was dropped was down right criminal.
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I'm a neutral fan on this tour but I can't wait to see how Amir will perform this tour, massively talented player and shame about what happened in the past but I real hope kid to do well again.
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Hafeez should be dropped, fit or not. Pak should groom another batter in his place.
A Shahzad should try his luck in acting/films. There are plenty of cricketer roles in Pak entertainment industry.
Umar Akmal should attend anger management and whining control classes. After that he should get a job as a sommelier in some UAE restaurant - he would like nice in a vest.
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Here's an interesting question to pose. What will be the top battles in the upcoming test series?
Amir Vs Cook
Shah Vs Root
Y.Khan Vs Anderson
Misbah Vs Broad
Some very interesting options. What does everyone else think?
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Here's an interesting question to pose. What will be the top battles in the upcoming test series?
Amir Vs Cook
Shah Vs Root
Y.Khan Vs Anderson
Misbah Vs Broad
Some very interesting options. What does everyone else think?
I'd say its a battle of the bowlers.. Amir/Shah vs Anderson/Broad.
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If Pakistan can get through first 15 overs without losing more then 1 or 2 wickets then will give England a good challenge. Otherwise Anderson and Broad will be ripping through Pakistan batting line up with the new ball.
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English medium pacer James Anderson has suffered a stress fracture to his shoulder blade and is doubtful for the first Test. Surprising that a medium paced trundler has suffered an injury bowling on green tops...
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English medium pacer James Anderson has suffered a stress fracture to his shoulder blade and is doubtful for the first Test. Surprising that a medium paced trundler has suffered an injury bowling on green tops...
Yes, because bowling on a green top puts less stress on your shoulder than on other types of wicket, doesn't it...
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Yes, because bowling on a green top puts less stress on your shoulder than on other types of wicket, doesn't it...
Spot on, you need heart and a strong mind to bowl on flat pitches...something Anderson has never shown #MentallyWeak
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Spot on, you need heart and a strong mind to bowl on flat pitches...something Anderson has never shown #MentallyWeak
Right then Boys. Let him have it.
#WheresMyPopcorn
#ItsAussieBashingTime
#WhoActuallyUsesHastagsNowadaysAnyway
#WhyAmIStillUsingHashtags
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Oh my god! Did he say something controversial in a trolling manner?
I really was not expecting that........
#snoozefest #gerryisso2014
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Interesting stuff from Bayliss interviewed in the Guardian.....
Big hints Butler's one day form could be carried over into red ball cricket and a re shuffling of the batting order may work to replace the missing Compdog.
Bayliss says clearly 'long term Root should bat 3' as the Aussie way(he's said the before) is your best bat is No 3.
So.....it's possible England will reshuffle rather than have a debutant in the batting, or that Bayliss thinks we don't have the quality batting outside the group.
There's no real case for a recall for Bell on current form so if Bayliss, and Cook you presume, have big influence on the batting line up things could look slightly different come the Pakistan series.....
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Root just doesn't want to go there though, that's the problem. I imagine it'll be Vince plugging the gap and another reshuffle. If Stokes can't bowl I'd rather have a fit all rounder than another batsman. I love Buttler but what's he done to earn a test recall?
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I'll probably get pelters for this...
I don't think Root is that good against the moving red ball. Don't get me wrong he's a world class middle order player when the ball is slightly older but if he has to face the swinging new ball he always looks a little exposed to me.
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I'll probably get pelters for this...
I don't think Root is that good against the moving red ball. Don't get me wrong he's a world class middle order player when the ball is slightly older but if he has to face the swinging new ball he always looks a little exposed to me.
No pelters :) do you think the Australian way of doing things where your best bat is 3 is wrong?
English wise our best player at his peak was Pieterson, love or hate the bloke he was our best bat. He never batted 3, stuck at 4 all the way thru......
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Lovely delivery from Amir here https://twitter.com/SomersetCCC/status/749926565077811202
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You've got to bat everybody in a position that suits their strengths and, where possible, they feel comfortable batting.
I don't think you'd see Australia wanting Smith at 3 due to his vulnerabilities against the newer ball, I hope England don't do that with Root as he's so prolific where he is. If 3 is the position, then find a top order player to do that job, don't play around with a settled, prolific middle order that has basically won the last 2 series for England.
I do however think you could get away with having Woakes & Stokes in the same side and dropping Finn which strengthens the batting further (Without really weakening the bowling in anyway) allowing for an inexperienced 3 to be given time to bed in.
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Lovely delivery from Amir here https://twitter.com/SomersetCCC/status/749926565077811202
Good luck keeping that out!!
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Good luck keeping that out!!
Easy, take a few pound notes out with you and pay the greedy git not to bowl that at the stumps :D
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Is any channel showing this game?
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not on the TV I don't think but Pakistan have skittled Somerset and Amir is definatley back in the wickets.
Jimmy should be fit now come the first test so for the bowling purists of you Anderson V Amir
:)
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Lovely delivery from Amir here https://twitter.com/SomersetCCC/status/749926565077811202
Surely this one was better:
https://twitter.com/SomersetCCC/status/749952703065890820
Play that!
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Ridiculously talented
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being a net bowler only who can never move it off straight even when we bottle topped one side(NO NOT IN A GAME!) ive never understood who some bowlers get that amount of swing
Amit almost looks as if he bowls off the wrong foot and has a rolling action, maybe that style just helps the ball swing?
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being a net bowler only who can never move it off straight even when we bottle topped one side(NO NOT IN A GAME!) ive never understood who some bowlers get that amount of swing
Amit almost looks as if he bowls off the wrong foot and has a rolling action, maybe that style just helps the ball swing?
Don't think he bowls off the wrong foot? Swing is all about the wrist and seam position, it's being able to bowl it accurately at pace that makes the big difference.
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After 5 years out, it's incredible how he's slotted straight back into first class cricket. Obviously he's freakishly talented and the Somerset batting is pretty average. But the deliveries he bowled today would've gotten out elite players.
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what pace is Amir he looks a little quicker than Jimmy
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Shan Masood did well with his new B3.
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Tresco4England
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Tresco4England
Exactly. Smashed 100 against an in form aamir
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Amir hasn't bowled much today the spinners have been on but yes, Trescothick must be pushing 40 now and still a class act.
We have not had many players at the top of the order who struck it like him in an England shirt.
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Amir hasn't bowled much today the spinners have been on but yes, Trescothick must be pushing 40 now and still a class act.
We have not had many players at the top of the order who struck it like him in an England shirt.
And with such minimal foot movement! Incredible eye
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Amir is absolute talent! Imagine what he had of been like if he had of stayed in the straight and narrow!!
He will be a massive threat whenever he plays.
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Amir is absolute talent! Imagine what he had of been like if he had of stayed in the straight and narrow!!
He will be a massive threat whenever he plays.
Yasir shah also taking wickets..this may be the toughest examination England batsmen have had at home in many years.
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Yasir shah also taking wickets..this may be the toughest examination England batsmen have had at home in many years.
About time someone other than South Africa rocked up with a couple of decent bowlers tbf! :D
Predict it'll go the same way as England vs Pakistan series in England have in recent history - an enjoyable bowlers' series, with England coming out on top.
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Pakistan would be better off without Hafeez. There is still time.
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There has been a lot of discussion regarding Amir but for me the main threat may actually be Yasir Shah. We all know that England don't play spin well whether it be at home or away. We don't posses much of a spin threat ourselves. What practice do our batters get against top class spin?
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There has been a lot of discussion regarding Amir but for me the main threat may actually be Yasir Shah. We all know that England don't play spin well whether it be at home or away. We don't posses much of a spin threat ourselves. What practice do our batters get against top class spin?
got to be honest I thought be was still banned from playing. Depends what wickets we play on and if it's very dry I would think.
We have home advantage on the wickets but if we prepare seamers we could get outbowled......no one has mentioned wahab riaz he has serious wheels and is a hand ful too
it's going to be a cracking series....we will find out if our batters can stand up to high quality bowling :), and can Pak score runs against our attack? very reliant on misbah and younis khan for their runs....
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got to be honest I thought be was still banned from playing. Depends what wickets we play on and if it's very dry I would think.
We have home advantage on the wickets but if we prepare seamers we could get outbowled......no one has mentioned wahab riaz he has serious wheels and is a hand ful too
it's going to be a cracking series....we will find out if our batters can stand up to high quality bowling :), and can Pak score runs against our attack? very reliant on misbah and younis khan for their runs....
I think if Pak take their catches, it's going to be very challenging for Eng.
Green pitches would bring the Pak seam attack in play (may see 3 or 4 day finishes then, no matter who wins).
Flatter pitches would allow pak batsmen just a bit of breathing space, and could open the door for yasir to be the difference.
Can't wait....by far the best series this summer.
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I also think England need to select based on the decks too. Buttler should be a better player of spin than some other options - and I know a lot of people want him back in the side. Jos at 7? So Cook, Hales, Vince, Root, Bairstow, Stokes (if fit), Woakes, Ali, Broad, Ball, and one other seamer if Finn doesn't play?
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Squad announcement, as before with Ballance for Compton & Roland-Jones for Anderson. Never saw that coming myself.
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me neither.. why don't we play Ball? he was in the last squad.
miraculously got a ticket for day 1 at the home of cricket so I will be there :)
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Ball in the squad also so most likely he will play and Roland-Jones the backup?
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Gary Ballance? Really?
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Gary Ballance? Really?
hmmm......are we sure? not exactly smashed the door down with runs.... I don't really get this squad to be honest.....Anderson is out got that so Ball and Roland Jones(middx)
can we presume Root is now 3 because Balance don't bat 3 for Yorkshire?
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Averaging 33 in the CC, so clearly thats the reason for his inclusion
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Root confirmed as number 3 by cook
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apparently root bats at 3.
So where is Ballance 4,5,6 or 7??? Surely he will play. Unless we are going for Ali top 6 batsmen?
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Wonder if I can put some money on how many times he'll nick off to a full, swinging Amir half volley throughout the series....
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vince 4, balance 5, bairstow 6 and Ali 7....
cant help thinking ive missed someone out. :)
woakes!!! bairstow 7, woakes 7, ali 8......
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Wonder if I can put some money on how many times he'll nick off to a full, swinging Amir half volley throughout the series....
gonna be some short short odds that's for sure
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Wonder if I can put some money on how many times he'll nick off to a full, swinging Amir half volley throughout the series....
Guess this shows how relevant the County Championship is to selection, hasn't scored much and it's not like he's been shown wanting against left arm quicks bowling full :(
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if you read the BBC text now looks like he has got in because of a ton against Middx in the last match with roland jones bowling.....
I like him as a player but just cant see how he has done enough at the moment....
Bayliss clearly wanted stokes and/or Buttler to play as batsmen if you read the press in the last 3 days....
the selectors say Ballance is 'mentally tough' I hope that is not a reflection on Compton who gave it his best shot
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Good to see Ballance back, fresh off a ton so why not pick the man in form!! Roland-Jones proved yesterday he's no mug with the bat either!!
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Also whilst Bayliss has said Root would have to want to bat 3 I can only envisage he's being forced to...
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Also whilst Bayliss has said Root would have to want to bat 3 I can only envisage he's being forced to...
I think you got that dead right. Bayliss says he must want to do it, he clearly does not......
someone has had a word in his ear I think. Bayliss says yo'ure best bat is 3......KP never did.
Got to be honest I think Root should bat 3 and let Vince and Balance bat 4 and 5....
but pushing Root into something he may not want to do might affect him. Batting so much in the mind it could work against Root......
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Also whilst Bayliss has said Root would have to want to bat 3 I can only envisage he's being forced to...
yep for me the issue with picking Ballance is actually more than just picking him as a player and his technique will be exposed to left arm swinging deliveries that were his undoing before. It means you are possibly opening up Root to the new ball (being used by 2 quality new ball bowlers).
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That moment when you win over the selectors
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02977/ballance1_2977186k.jpg)
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That moment when you win over the selectors
([url]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02977/ballance1_2977186k.jpg[/url])
Good Ol' Gazza. I'm glad he's back in the team, mostly because he always looks so puzzled when he gets out...
Watch him go big, smashing Amir to all parts.
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looking forward to seeing how Balance gets on, he is going to play.
High class bowling gets batsmen out, that's why bowlers are such a precious commodity on todays generally flat tracks. He's got technical issues....but.....so has just about everyone else. Cook,Compton,Trott,and Root gets out a lot left arm bowled across him....
End of the day it's got to be about runs scored, he's going to get an examination and so are the rest of our batters....
I saw enough of Graeme Smith and his awful technique get absolute bucketfuls against us...so flaws in technique never stopped him.
:)
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Despite his record this season, I imagine his 1200 runs @ 47 and a FC average of 50 also help his case. Proven run scorer.
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So looks as though the starting line up is likely to be.......
Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance (swap 3-5 around as required)
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Ball
Finn
12th man: Roland-Jones
Unless R-J gets the nod ahead of Ball?
Stokes obviously not fit enough to bat and bowl!
Buttler not in either.
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roland jones home ground, he knows the slope and vagries of the pitch.
that might tip it in his favour. Ball has been 12th man though for a while. close call between them I reckon.
Root is 3 Pete whether he wants to bat there or not !
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So Ball and Roland Jones are the next cabs off the rank re pace bowlers . Just wanted to ask you guys ( England fans) , how far away from test cricket is Tymal Mills ? Also , why has Mark Wood seemingly dropped off the radar ? ( don't mind me , I'm just asking as I'm an Aussie who's not quite up to speed on my English quicks knowledge at the moment ) .
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Mills can only play T20 due to a medical condition. Pretty sure Wood is injured
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So Ball and Roland Jones are the next cabs off the rank re pace bowlers . Just wanted to ask you guys ( England fans) , how far away from test cricket is Tymal Mills ? Also , why has Mark Wood seemingly dropped off the radar ? ( don't mind me , I'm just asking as I'm an Aussie who's not quite up to speed on my English quicks knowledge at the moment ) .
Tymal Mills has some form of back condition that doctors have said he shouldn't put under too much stress of 4 day cricket etc. Mark Wood has had two operations on his ankle and is in fact bowling today for the first time back in a T20 game against Leicestershire!
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So looks as though the starting line up is likely to be.......
Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance (swap 3-5 around as required)
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Ball
Finn
12th man: Roland-Jones
Unless R-J gets the nod ahead of Ball?
Stokes obviously not fit enough to bat and bowl!
Buttler not in either.
Buttler broke a thumb Friday night so doubt he'll be fit for the one day stuff either!
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Ballance is apparently a doubt with a groin strain.
We going in with an extra bowler if he doesn't recover? Or can we add to squad?
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im sure we can add another but the question is who?
Borthwick has had two or three low scores, Compdog is taking a break, Bell has not got the runs otherwise he might of got a gig
our batting looks vulnerable to me. Root and Cook our runs, plus YJB down the order.
Even if Lords is flat I fancy Pakistan to cause us problems.
If we need a batsman to cover Balance we could do worse than play Stokes as a batter only..
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Ballance bowls some big turning leggies, so could offer an option a a curve ball. Would much rather see Borthwick though. Very refreshing to see him say in the media that he didn't earn it with his run of low scores, comes across as a down to earth lad, something noticeable in his interview with Kevin Howells the other week.
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Ballance bowls some big turning leggies, so could offer an option a a curve ball. Would much rather see Borthwick though.
But Borthwick earned his only test cap as a leggie?
Surely that would be a better "curveball"?
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As I said, I'd much rather see Borthwick in the side. Proper bowler and proper batsman vs part time bowler proper bat. Rather have SB to balance the side out. Ballance does offer the random option and may come up trumps, but it is unlikely.
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Balance thigh will apparently be fine.
I'd say we have slim pickings at the moment.
Bell isn't pulling up roots.
Borthwick hit a rough patch.
But as Ballance hit a ton vs Middlesex they probably thought, better to go with someone we know(he did tour with them in winter)
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im sure we can add another but the question is who?
Borthwick has had two or three low scores, Compdog is taking a break, Bell has not got the runs otherwise he might of got a gig
our batting looks vulnerable to me. Root and Cook our runs, plus YJB down the order.
Even if Lords is flat I fancy Pakistan to cause us problems.
If we need a batsman to cover Balance we could do worse than play Stokes as a batter only..
I wouldn't worry about it, I don't have any faith in the Pakistani batting scoring enough runs to support the bowling attack. Now it might be a different story if Asif was playing...
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I don't think the Pakistan batsmen have enough about them either against our bowlers....
Strange story today Anderson has passed himself fit, Bayliss and cook say he is fine and the selectors have 'rested' him.
I'd be much happier if he was playing thou....Vince and Ballance? Not sure about them.High class bowling will cause problems for both teams I think.
Still I'm going tommorow with a Pakistan mate and I'm hoping we bat and start the series well. weather forecast is good so if England go well I will give the beer and Pimms a right hammering
:)
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I stopped reading when Ballance was getting mentioned as a batter and part time bowler.... He's bowled 2 overs in Test match cricket when the game was dead and bowled in tandem with Cook and 27 overs in county cricket. He bowled a good first over and pies in the second over which came later in test cricket. Sorry but he ain't a bowler. Borthwick is consistent one of the top batters in the country and bowls actual legspin.
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This will be a difficult series, first test at Lords without Anderson and Finn in no form at all is a worry, as is the constantly changing batting order. But I can see 2 or 3 times across the series we are able to bowl Pakistan out for under 200, it's just about taking those chances.
Amir looks likes he never been away from first class cricket (God knows how many tests wickets he'd have by now if he hadn't been led astray). A big challenge for England.
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England will win, I'm just hoping it goes to day 4 at lords!
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Quite looking forward to going on Sunday with the weather forecast. Can we never play test cricket in May/June ever again?
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I think it will be a close series! As a few have hinted at, it is always a little unsettling when you keep changing the batting order!
And Root plus a couple of others haven;t been in form. Anderson not playing and a couple of injuries. Pakistan have a decent bowling until, certainly several times better than SL!
I think it will be a real test for England.
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It's a shame the lord's pitch is going to be absolutely dead! Has been all season.
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Anyone notice the SS sticker on the handle of Hafeez's bat
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Hafeez being Hafeez
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Anyone notice the SS sticker on the handle of Hafeez's bat
SS? Where, handle?
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Hafeez being Hafeez
I turn the tv on and Hafeez does that. Maybe he had a brain fart @40. :D
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Yeah still had the little sticker on the top of the handle with SS on it
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Following the game on BBC Sport.
My scorecard says Hafeez "c. Bairstow b. Woakes" I take it this is a typo, should say "Run out"?
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Get in Bally!
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Anybody else find watching Younus bat slightly mesmerising. How the hell does he play so well with that many moving parts?
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How head doesn't look still at any point!
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Anyone notice the SS sticker on the handle of Hafeez's bat
I have got HS owners number and been in touch with him on whatts app previously regarding buying a players bat which I didn't.
And I messaged him now telling him how comes Hafeez using a SS bat with HS stickers. This was his reply 'This is pure hs bat bhai. We have supplied from here in our own factory.'
I showed him picture of the ss stamp and then picture of my bat which is ss and has same stamp so told him clearly it's a SS bat with HS stickers on. He saying he don't agree with me lol. I Said then why is does his bat have SS stamp on and I said glad I didn't buy from HS as clearly Hafeez isn't using HS bat but SS. He offered me exact Hafeez bat months ago.
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Quite looking forward to going on Sunday with the weather forecast. Can we never play test cricket in May/June ever again?
Where are you sat mate? I've got tickets for the mound stand
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Where are you sat mate? I've got tickets for the mound stand
Lower Edrich, cheapest available at £40. Got Monday off so if a whole day is likely will head down and sit in the Compton Upper
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I've got Monday off but heading back home after Sunday, might have to pop back down if there's going to be play! Hoping for a result late Sunday though
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I'm a Finn-fan, but I don't get him plodding in at 84mph and getting tanked. Plenty of other bowlers can do that. He should be flying in at 88 / 90mph for 3/4 overs trying to knock heads off and bowl people out.
This is a big test match for him.
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I have got HS owners number and been in touch with him on whatts app previously regarding buying a players bat which I didn't.
And I messaged him now telling him how comes Hafeez using a SS bat with HS stickers. This was his reply 'This is pure hs bat bhai. We have supplied from here in our own factory.'
I showed him picture of the ss stamp and then picture of my bat which is ss and has same stamp so told him clearly it's a SS bat with HS stickers on. He saying he don't agree with me lol. I Said then why is does his bat have SS stamp on and I said glad I didn't buy from HS as clearly Hafeez isn't using HS bat but SS. He offered me exact Hafeez bat months ago.
Hafeez's face belongs right next to the definition of the word "dumb ass" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Why would he put his sponsor in such a position...boggles the mind.
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Hafeez's face belongs right next to the definition of the word "dumb ass" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Why would he put his sponsor in such a position...boggles the mind.
Poor old HS owner asking me to try to get full picture of the bat. I showed him the one on this forum and he saying that's not clear evidence if he asks Hafeez about it lol. I said I will try and I missed the morning session myself.
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A Jakeball is not a term for a fast bowling cricket in Glasgow :D
That's some poor parenting right there.
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Hafeez's face belongs right next to the definition of the word "dumb ass" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Why would he put his sponsor in such a position...boggles the mind.
It's not like it's never been done before though, is it?
Off the top of my head (and all fairly recently): MS Dohni used a "Spartan" with TON edge stamps, Sangakarra used an "SS" with Gray Nicolls edge stamps and Nick Compton used a "GN" with an M&H sticker on the handle.
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It's not like it's never been done before though, is it?
Off the top of my head (and all fairly recently): MS Dohni used a "Spartan" with TON edge stamps, Sangakarra used an "SS" with Gray Nicolls edge stamps and Nick Compton used a "GN" with an M&H sticker on the handle.
that's a great bit of batception from the Compdog there...
a GN with an M&H sticker that is really an SS!
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It's not like it's never been done before though, is it?
Off the top of my head (and all fairly recently): MS Dohni used a "Spartan" with TON edge stamps, Sangakarra used an "SS" with Gray Nicolls edge stamps and Nick Compton used a "GN" with an M&H sticker on the handle.
I hear ya.
The thing is that HS is a startup (and from what I've heard a smaller) brand that is trying to establish itself in the domestic (Pak) and international markets. To me, this bat flim-flammery by Hafeez (to a nascent brand which has sponsored an international opener) seems very unfair.
I have seen and bounced balls on HS bats and they feel great!
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Reasonable start to today, but we really need to get rid of Moeen Ali and pick a decent spinner. Finn is busy bowling himself out of the team too, all very well being a sometimes expensive pacey wicket-taker but it does nobody any good if you neither bowl quickly nor take wickets...
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That was one of the cooler century celebrations I have seen over the years.
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Can always rely on the old boys. Poor day from England overall though.
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I hear ya.
The thing is that HS is a startup (and from what I've heard a smaller) brand that is trying to establish itself in the domestic (Pak) and international markets. To me, this bat flim-flammery by Hafeez (to a nascent brand which has sponsored an international opener) seems very unfair.
I have seen and bounced balls on HS bats and they feel great!
Yes true they just establishing themselves. The owner tried laughing it of at first but then he kind of was saying that picture isn't enough evidence. Show me fully Hafeez with that bat. And said if I could that be great help for him. Shame that I didn't watch the morning session and Hafeez batting.
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What a innings by Misbah. At times it looks ugly batting at the crease but he fights it through and rescues his team once again.
And Shafiq looks compact and probably the best technical Pakistani batsmen. Would make a good number 3 instead of Azhar Ali in these conditions.
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Misbah is a hero to me and all other 30-40 something cricketers who refuse to believe that we're over the hill. What a legend.
(http://i.imgur.com/IzdH2AE.gif)
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Thank God for that breakthrough
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Pakistan rocketing along at 3 an over on the flattest deck in the country.
Good job we've got these new-fangeled bat regs to bring that rate down to 1.5 where it belongs!
That'll get the crowds in...
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Unlucky Shafiq. Silly way to get out, deserved a century?
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Pakistan rocketing along at 3 an over on the flattest deck in the country.
Good job we've got these new-fangeled bat regs to bring that rate down to 1.5 where it belongs!
That'll get the crowds in...
To be honest I was expecting Pakistan to be around 250 at end of days play because they tend to be very cautious in tests even on slow flat UAE tracks. Only Hafeez and Sarfraz are the ones who play attacking. Well don't bother me how the other players bat unless they making runs and doing the job which they are.
Welcome to the real brand of test cricket
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Pakistan rocketing along at 3 an over on the flattest deck in the country.
Good job we've got these new-fangeled bat regs to bring that rate down to 1.5 where it belongs!
That'll get the crowds in...
3 an over is fine in test cricket, it's not white ball stuff!
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Should be able to knock them over for less than 350 now on a flat deck
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Should be able to knock them over for less than 350 now on a flat deck
If England get a early breakthrough tomorrow of Misbah or Safraz then yes Pakistan should be out for about 350. Pakistan need a good partnership by Misbah and Safraz to get them over 400 which would be a good score.
Today been a even day and tomorrow morning session will decide who's ahead in the test match.
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Pakistan rocketing along at 3 an over on the flattest deck in the country.
Good job we've got these new-fangeled bat regs to bring that rate down to 1.5 where it belongs!
That'll get the crowds in...
It's just the first innings ... You have been watching too much T20 off-late :D
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One of the best celebrations i have seen !!
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Misbah is a hero to me and all other 30-40 something cricketers who refuse to believe that we're over the hill. What a legend.
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Well said - comes across as a very gentle, hard working and a very humble man. Captaining Pak team is perhaps the hardest job in cricket - weakest/weirdest management and hard to manage "flamboyant" personalities who are always public with their opinions. He has managed them so well through their toughest/weakest phases.
Cannot believe in Pak there is so much dislike for him and so much love for Afridi.
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Misbah is a hero to me and all other 30-40 something cricketers who refuse to believe that we're over the hill. What a legend.
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Exactly. I am 33. Plenty of time to work towards my debut. Guess this means I should buy another bat...
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Misbah and shafiq were excellent yesterday, the celebration was very funny. I thought we(England) were pretty average bowling wise. Ball and woakes do have pace, and bowled well, Finn was short of pace and looked bothered with something all day.
But actually pleased for misbah, he never looked troubled and it was an easy hundred. His sweeping is superb.
And yes, me and my mate, 49 and 42 did say there's still hope for us oldies -if you are prepared to work hard.
Well done Pakistan, if the game goes into the forth and fifth days yasir shah may may have an influence.
Lords is a very flat deck now
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Long time reader but time poster, so here goes. What's my fellow West Country boy Jimmy Hildreth got to do to get a Test cap? 14000 runs and countless centuries yet he doesn't even get a look in.
Very disappointed to see Steven Finn so mentally shot, when you look at strike rate in the last 5-10 years he's got the second best after Steyn for fast bowlers. When he's low on confidence he looks totally dreadful. He could easily become one of the all time greats if he puts his mind to it.
Can't we bloody find a proper spinner? Ali is dreadful, no thought on how he's trying to take wickets.
Well played old boy Mishaq, the ageless wonder!
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there's def something wrong with Finn, in the head or body-or both.
he was clutching his knee yesterday and looked frustrated all day. He only acutally bowled with any pace after tea when he came around the wicket, even then Misbah was not really bothered...
but Lords now must be hell to bowl on, there is no pace and no carry to worry the batsmen even on Day 1. Moeen Ali is total buffet for the Pakistan batsmen, I don't think Shah will be as easy to play in the forth innings.
Ball is much quicker than I thought and so is Woakes, they bowled well but was knackered at the end of the day as Cook could not bowl Ali any more and Finn was leaking runs.
Hildreth.....yes prob should of had a go.Cook,Trott,Bell,KP thou in his way most of the time. Now it's a bit different.
If I was James Hildreth I would of moved Counties to get noticed...a bit harsh maybe but they must think runs at Taunton not as valuable as elsewhere
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Woakesy's played a blinder
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First time I've seen a stemguard come off, they've shown their value
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Poor amir, got to feel sorry for him ;). Welcome back to lords mate!
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Mohammed Amir comes out in B3 pads!
Woakes is getting better and better by the game, England's best bowler by some distance so far this test.
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@Seniorplayer seems to have gone quiet on the woakes front
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@Seniorplayer seems to have gone quiet on the woakes front
Best English all rounder since Ben Stokes!
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Horrible feeling we might get skittled here...
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Woakes ton later on and @WalkingWicket37 will be popping champagne corks all over Hampshire
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Will the real Alastair Cook please stand up?
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200 strike rate for Cook... Somebody get me the smelling salts!
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@ProCricketer1982 is not going to be happy with this run rate
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RR 6.66
WTF
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Exactly. I am 33. Plenty of time to work towards my debut. Guess this means I should buy another bat...
Exactly the same situation I'm in. Started playing cricket again this summer after a long break so the bat I'm using right now (CBF members should stop reading here!) is around 17 years old.
Think I will pop down to the Birmingham branch of @Uzi Sports and start my journey towards a test debut.
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someone rush thru the bat regulations a bit sharpish these run rates will kill test cricket.
I saw big ginge at the gray Nichols stand yesterday and told him to sort himself out and make some toothpicks like back-in-the-day...
nice fella big ginge, one bloke asked with him he was using English Willow and my mate quipped 'no it's bamboo'
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Cook's clearly still pissed about not playing limited overs... Wasnt it Hales who was supposed to be the David Warner figure?
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Raining runs in London. Just plain raining here in Yorkshire.
Atleast we've got a cracking test to watch in the clubhouse!
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Never really gotten the hype surrounding Wahab Riaz, granted he can bowl pretty quickly(and he made Shane Watson down a log in his pants during the WC) but he lacks the skills for Test match cricket. Don't see many bookers having s successful career from just winging the ball in half way down the pitch.
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Cookies second fastest test 50😂😂😂
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We're 98-1. This is worryingly relaxing.
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Cookie flying along
what's his fastest hundred?
just sayin :)
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Sarfraz should be sacked for that. And some people complain about Bairstow's keeping.
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Match fixing anyone? haha
Bit of Karma for Amir this...
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Cook dropped twice 😂😂😂
Amir getting no rub of the green 😂😂😂
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Having watched a lot of test cricket.
Am I the only one finding this one of the most boring test matches?
Sri Lanka wasn't great but was entertaining. But this is shocking.
It hasnt helped that they have prepared an absolute road at Lords.
But there is nothing happening at all.
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Oh Joseph.
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Oh Joseph.
Sir Geoff is going to be having kittens with his young prodigy.
'book in for breakfast,lunch and tea' or whatever it is he says when it's a flat track.
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another start not converted for Root, England's Damien Martyn in the making...
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So James Vince is really better than Jimmy Hildreth...
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Also Shah is showing the difference between a proper spinner and Ali who's nothing more than filth.
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Why was Ballance selected again?
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Bit concerning that we are crumbling on a non turner with 7 matches in Asia just 8-10 weeks away...
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Why was Ballance selected again?
Yorkshire mafia...
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Is that the end of the Vince and Ballance experiment?
Surely must be the end for Ballance (so much for being "in form")
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Is that the end of the Vince and Ballance experiment?
Surely must be the end for Ballance (so much for being "in form")
If averaging 35 is in form then I'm king of Spain...
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quality spin bowling there's no substitute for it.
on a flat wicket you need quality spin. We had Swanny for so long, no we got nothing.
Pak have quality....
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nice to see we are giving people more than one innings..............
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It's more good bowling from Shah than it is (No Swearing Please) batting from Vince and Ballance. People can make hundreds week in week out but every now and then they're bound to make a low score. The "Ballance Experiment" as you say is one innings in and considering Compton was in the test squad for a fair while, don't see why Ballance or Vince don't deserve more time. If you play tomorrow and don't make any runs, the side aren't going to drop you for next week.
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It's more good bowling from Shah than it is (No Swearing Please) batting from Vince and Ballance. People can make hundreds week in week out but every now and then they're bound to make a low score. The "Ballance Experiment" as you say is one innings in and considering Compton was in the test squad for a fair while, don't see why Ballance or Vince don't deserve more time. If you play tomorrow and don't make any runs, the side aren't going to drop you for next week.
Ballance was shoehorned back into the side at 5, to protect him from the new ball. Thus meaning Root moving up the order and Vince a rookie moving up as well.
Ballance has made no improvements to his game so what merited his return?
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Is that the end of the Vince and Ballance experiment?
Surely must be the end for Ballance (so much for being "in form")
the end? It's his first innings back in the side for christ's sake at least give him the series
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nice to see we are giving people more than one innings..............
Gary Ballance
Matches - 15
Innings - 27
NO - 2
Runs - 1194
HS - 156
Average - 47.76
James Vince
Matches - 3
Innings - 4
No - 0
Runs - 54
HS - 35
Average - 13.50
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nice to see we are giving people more than one innings..............
It's the part about all British sport I hate, it's the same in football, everyone is far too fickle. Look at Pakistan or India, for the most part their players are hero's to them win, lose or draw, they love their sportsmen, we hate ours.
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the end? It's his first innings back in the side for christ's sake at least give him the series
I wrote that in full knowledge that both will be given the rest of the series, I just hope, unless they produce something exceptional then there will be changes.
England selectors do not cut players half way through a series unless there are exceptional circumstances (Trott e.t.c.)
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I wrote that in full knowledge that both will be given the rest of the series, I just hope, unless they produce something exceptional then there will be changes.
England selectors do not cut players half way through a series unless there are exceptional circumstances (Trott e.t.c.)
they will def leave both in for the series, nowadays England don't ship players out quick unless they are forced to.
Of the two of them Vince looks like he has the class, Ballance is clearly a good player. They got to be given time.
With Compton and Taylor going new players have to settle in. England are def in a match and that's what we want as fans so we can't complain when the opposition have some quality bowling
We didn't really learn much against Sri Lanka did we?
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It's the part about all British sport I hate, it's the same in football, everyone is far too fickle. Look at Pakistan or India, for the most part their players are hero's to them win, lose or draw, they love their sportsmen, we hate ours.
Tell that to Misbah! :D
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Tell that to Misbah! :D
Afridi would also like a word with you
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Gary Balance has a few technical issues. Should probably spend some time with quality coaches. Like this guy maybe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVJigsBe--A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVJigsBe--A)
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YJB looks like he's struggling to pick it up today. Seems late on everything. Even looks a little late picking up Shah.
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Gary Ballance
Matches - 15
Innings - 27
NO - 2
Runs - 1194
HS - 156
Average - 47.76
James Vince
Matches - 3
Innings - 4
No - 0
Runs - 54
HS - 35
Average - 13.50
Jacques Kallis
Innings - 7
No - 0
Runs - 57
HS - 39
Average - 8.14
And he turned out alrite.
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Ah fudge...Cook gone for 81. Amir cleans him up who needs slip fielders...
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Jacques Kallis
Innings - 7
No - 0
Runs - 57
HS - 39
Average - 8.14
And he turned out alrite.
Big lad Kallis could bowl a bit though ;)
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That was a shane warne quality slider right there
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What a bowler Yasir Shah is. Not even turning and he still picking up wickets. No wonder Shane Warne rates him so highly.
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What a bowler Yasir Shah is. Not even turning and he still picking up wickets. No wonder Shane Warne rates him sp highly.
It doesn't need to turn and rip to be effective. Shah is a good bowler and we can't pick him......that's the problem. We've waiting all summer for a proper contest, we sure got one now
:)
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It doesn't need to turn and rip to be effective. Shah is a good bowler and we can't pick him......that's the problem. We've waiting all summer for a proper contest, we sure got one now
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Yes that's the reason Yasir is one of the best or probably is the best test spinner around. And why Shane Warne rates him sp highly despite such a flat track and no turn he still so effective and adjusts.
Yes mate going to be a very good contest if the sun stays out when Pakistans batting lol.
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That was a guess from the umpire. And barely backed by hawk eye.
I reckon if he wasn't playing a sweep, the umpire would have never given that out.
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Regardless of review still going with out, that was a pretty poor decision. Barely making umpires decision both on outside the line and hitting the stumps. Pure guesswork by the umpire.
Woakes, please save us.
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Wow, look at all this world class batting from our white ball players 🙈🙈🙈👌👌😂😂😂
it's been a fairly low quality game so far sadly but Woakes has shown how much he has improved in fairness. He's above stokes for me as he's a better bowler and actually a batsmen rather than flat track hitter. Got to give Vince and balance a few games before casting aside. Ali is simply not good enough
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Wow, look at all this world class batting from our white ball players 🙈🙈🙈👌👌😂😂😂
it's been a fairly low quality game so far sadly but Woakes has shown how much he has improved in fairness. He's above stokes for me as he's a better bowler and actually a batsmen rather than flat track hitter. Got to give Vince and balance a few games before casting aside. Ali is simply not good enough
Err no.
Stokes everyday of the week instead of Ballance, why he wasn't picked as a batsman only I don't know. Ballance test average is on the decline (famous last words).
Vince is in his 4th test with not even a 50 to show. Test cricket isn't a development team. Your job is to score runs or take wickets. If you don't you shouldn't be there. We are carrying 2 batsman a game and asking cook,bairstow and root to carry them is not on. Even Ali and Woakes look more composed.
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Morene Ali looked not out..broad looked out.. they gotta fix this umpires call nonsense soon.
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Err no.
Stokes everyday of the week instead of Ballance, why he wasn't picked as a batsman only I don't know. Ballance test average is on the decline (famous last words).
Vince is in his 4th test with not even a 50 to show. Test cricket isn't a development team. Your job is to score runs or take wickets. If you don't you shouldn't be there. We are carrying 2 batsman a game and asking cook,bairstow and root to carry them is not on. Even Ali and Woakes look more composed.
Agree to disagree then, for me stokes is a one day hitter and not a test batsmen
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Agree to disagree then, for me stokes is a one day hitter and not a test batsmen
Lol.
Last time you said that he smoked the South Africans and you quit the Internet in a big fit.
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Lol.
Last time you said that he smoked the South Africans and you quit the Internet in a big fit.
Stokes is a flat track bully, he's played some great innings that are used to hold him up as the ginger reincarnation of Ian botham but those mask what an average test match batsmen he is.
I'd love for him to prove me wrong over his career as when he plays like he did in South Africa it was a joy to watch!
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I would say England should drop M.Ali for Stokes. Let Root bowl some offies, if need be.
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Stokes is a flat track bully, he's played some great innings that are used to hold him up as the ginger reincarnation of Ian botham but those mask what an average test match batsmen he is.
I'd love for him to prove me wrong over his career as when he plays like he did in South Africa it was a joy to watch!
Stokes has tons at Perth, Cape Town, Lords v Aus, SA, NZ. Must make him a flat track bully as against popgun attacks lol
Ballance v the better attacks in world cricket? Oh dear...
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Stokes is easily a better test bat than ODI, when he's playing at his best in tests his judgment of what he can and can't hit is absolutely superb. That Perth ton for example, he just waited til Johnson et al put it in his area, then smashed it. Everything else was left or blocked. He's getting more consistent too, and that'll continue. Not to mention that so far the bigger the moment, the better he's performed - always a good sign!
In fairness to Ballance, I thought when he came in he actually looked very good against the seamers, which was the problem that got him dropped. Played spin very well in his first go at tests, give him more than one innings and he's got a decent chance of coming good. Vince doesn't look good enough for test level unfortunately, still think his selection is largely based on having a really nice cover drive as he's never scored consistent FC runs vs good attacks. Moving Root to 3 seems at first glance to have given us more problems than it's solved!
Early suggestion - Hildreth or Samit Patel considered for middle order? With Stokes/Jimmy to come back in and Vince/Ball/Finn to go from current XI. Then hopefully we just need a spinner, and now is definitely the time to give Ansari or Rashid a go as the main spinner before we head out to the subcontinent in the winter.
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Um...
Cook , Hales , Root , ? , Stokes , Bairstow , Ali , Woakes , Rashid , Broad , Anderson .
Or
Cook , Hales , Root , ? , ? , Stokes , Bairstow, Ali , Woakes , Broad , Anderson
Or
Cook , Hales , Root , ? , ? , Stokes , Bairstow , Woakes , Rashid , Broad , Anderson
Or
Cook, Hales , Root , ? , Stokes , Bairstow, Woakes , Rashid , Broad , Ball (/Wood when bowled enough overs) , Anderson
Or ?
I keep hearing Borthwick , Bell , and not much else in terms of alternatives to Vince and Ballance . What other candidates are out there ? Please inform me . One thing I keep thinking is ' England need to decide whether Ali is one of the top six batsmen or not , because it's becoming more evident that he surely isn't the number one spinner / one of the top four bowlers'. I watch him and think it would be great to have him in a test team , but his batting would have to warrant selection and his bowling considered an added bonus when required.
The other thing I keep thinking is that I can't wait for Pakistan to get out here to Oz for the tests this coming summer . They will be tough .
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He eats what he wants
He eats what he wants
Samit Patel
He eats what he wants
Yes I do realise this would never happen, however he is one of the top scorers in the county championship this season and gets quite a few wickets with his left arm twirlers!
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Morning all.
The way this match is going, we may see Misbah back out to bat at some point. Would love to see him get another 100 so we get another look at that celebration!
If anyone is lucky enough to score a ton today, pictures of you "Doing the Misbah" would be awesome.
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https://twitter.com/ZaltzCricket/status/754275911529328641
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What is Younus playing at here?
Looks like he's trying to out-Steve-Smith, Steve Smith!
Certainly doesn't look pretty...
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He may as well play on one leg, ha.
Have to say at least this is the test I'd hope we'd get, very nicely poised test match
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Woakes is having a blinder with the ball
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I am kinda liking the brutal umpiring - out for the slightest excuse.
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Looks like poor fella Steven Finn will be back carrying the water at old Trafford...
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I am kinda liking the brutal umpiring - out for the slightest excuse.
Agreed. I can't believe we don't trust the tech. If the tech is that good, if it says it clipping the stump, then why are we so skeptical?
I wouldn't be upset if I was given out and reviews showed it would have clipped.
In other news, Who is this "Woakes" fella, and where has he been the last few years?
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Misbah!
Blob. Punishment - 10 press ups.
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What on Earth was Misbah doing?!?! I'll take that!
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Give he umpires his dues there. A cracking decision.
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Younus with 11 off 72. This is glorious.
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Shafiq looks a very good player. Good defence and brilliant driver of the ball.
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Struggling to see how Moeen Ali takes wickets. 2 big scalps today.
Also, spare a thought for Azhar Ali. Both of his dismissals were to balls that barely clipped leg stump.
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Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo
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Struggling to see how Moeen Ali takes wickets. 2 big scalps today.
Also, spare a thought for Azhar Ali. Both of his dismissals were to balls that barely clipped leg stump.
Moeen is like many a 'spinner' in club cricket. Bowls a lot of tripe therefore batsmen know they can ruin him, but occasionally you get over conference and gift your wickets away.
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Some absolutely pathetic fielding here letting runs slip
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Wahab using TC gloves and DC bat.
Deserved being out just for that. Very village.
Wahab, if you're reading, you're out of it hits you flush on the glove aswell, not just the bat.
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That pesky woakes, taking wickets on a flat track.
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Ive removed who posted as that's not the issue. But making statements on people's previous attempts at test cricket is a dangerous thing. Everyone can improve!
Woakes with a test bowling ave of 68 is in the squad.
Woakes now averages 28 in test cricket. Easy to turn things around with a few good games.
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That pesky woakes, taking wickets on a flat track.
It's always confused me a bit when commentators say Lords is a flat pitch, I mean it's on a slope for a start!
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So pleased with the way Woakes has gone this summer since getting a run in the side, particularly in this test. Just playing the odd test match here and there didn't flatter him and now we're seeing what the lad can really do - he's been one of the best county players for a long time now. In an time when international cricket is looking very short on test class allrounders, have England got the best two in the world?
We're in a bit of bother in the match though, Pakistan have been very good so far. Good to see, fingers crossed we can chase it down and us fans can settle in for a great series.
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If Pakistan gives 300+ To chase then it will be a interesting match with 2 days remaining.. Yasir Shah will pose a bigger threat on a 4th day pitch.
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Ive removed who posted as that's not the issue. But making statements on people's previous attempts at test cricket is a dangerous thing. Everyone can improve!
Woakes now averages 28 in test cricket. Easy to turn things around with a few good games.
As his average is now sub 30 is he officially a world class bowler? ;)
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Yes
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Come on England!!! 283 needed!
Any forumites here at lords?
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Cracking test this one.we need as many as possible before shah comes on
:)
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All well and good playing shots but if you lose 2 wickets then it's a bit pointless!
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Oh Joe...
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There goes root now! Daft shot with 2 men out there!
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Idiotic batting here. Cook fell to a good ball. But Hales and Root should be ashamed of their dismissals. All the talk was of Shah and we are throwing wickets away against Rahat...
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Root looked good then that!! That's the game gone!
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It's like he was giving catching practice!! 🙈
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It's like he was giving catching practice!! 🙈
This, he didn't look like he wanted to hit it hard or keep it down. Random shot.
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Dont understand tgat from root,neither on thing or the other
Time for ballance and vince to show what they got
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Chasing almost 300 in last innings against a decent bowling attack will never be easy.
But just shows that England have still got a long way to go mentally when it comes to being the complete team they hope to be!
Hales has the occasional rush of blood. But I am shocked by Root throwing his wicket away!!
I am extremely doubtful that we will get anywhere near the target now! Cook and Root were the ones that should have had that strong and gritty mentality to stay in!
With them gone and the wicket likely to take spin well in day 4 and 5, things can only get harder! But let's have some fight at least boys!! Don't want to see us roll over!!
Would be a great opportunity to at least have Vince/Balance show some spirit even if it is in a losing cause.
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Cracking test this one.we need as many as possible before shah comes on
:)
Oh my my...what do we have here. England have 283 to chase and they are down 3! "Cracking test" indeed and a fun Sunday morning for me. :D
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Best I've seen ballance bat for a long long time!
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Well done vince
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Another daft shot!
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Woakes 80 no and win it to send the forum into a tailspin?
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Woakes 80 no and win it to send the forum into a tailspin?
Woakes will save us!
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Cometh the hour.
Save us Chris!
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White ball cricket showing its face yet again.. Too much biffing in this side and not enough proper batsmen.
Moeen is just awful yet again, no defence for that shot and needs to be sent packing from the set up
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Moeen is surely coming to end of his test run??
His bowling is not improving, and his batting is dropping ridicolously quick.
This is a test match, we need 144 to win, surely as a number 7 who wants to be higher up the order you've got to think "right I'm gonna get a red ink and knock this off tomorrow. Show I should be up there ahead of Vince/balance"
But instead he thinks "charge"
Ballance our best batsmen so far this innings, who'd have though that.
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Much as this will annoy @ProCricketer1982 , at what point do England accept that we're getting bowled out sooner rather than later and try and hit the runs as quickly as possible? One more wicket down and they go for it? Don't see Broad and the rest lasting long out there against this bowling.
More nails going into the coffin of Moeen's test career by the game...
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Pakistan havn't won this game, England have lost it! Poor poor batting performance, moeen need to be dropped, but for who? Borthwick?
Hales root and Vince played poor shots
Cook and balance were actually got out!
Cannot believe we've been this poor today!
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Pakistan havn't won this game, England have lost it! Poor poor batting performance, moeen need to be dropped, but for who? Borthwick?
Hales root and Vince played poor shots
Cook and balance were actually got out!
Cannot believe we've been this poor today!
Sadly, as we can tell by most on this forum.. No one is honest enough to speak out against the media led stuff about how great this team is, how young... What a brand of cricket.
It's not very good and the fact it's won some games has been more down to world cricket being poor than England being good. No sensible test cricket person has ever thought root was top three quality.. Hales as opener!?!? Etc etc
We are fed all sorts of crap and people believe it. Just go through this forum and people will Rubbish that this team has got white ball players rather than test batsmen.
England should still win from here but that will merely, yet again paper over the actual fact this team isn't fit for test cricket
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Much as this will annoy @ProCricketer1982 , at what point do England accept that we're getting bowled out sooner rather than later and try and hit the runs as quickly as possible? One more wicket down and they go for it? Don't see Broad and the rest lasting long out there against this bowling.
More nails going into the coffin of Moeen's test career by the game...
England still have supposed 'test' batsmen, no point slogging until the tails in unless it's your natural game and you'd play that way regardless . It's test cricket, not white ball. Just bat time and stop playing silly one day shots
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In fairness, Hales is the only player I can think of in this team who's better in limited overs than tests? Root, Woakes and Ali are the only other ones who even regularly make the ODI side. Finn I suppose, but he's a pure bowler. Moeen's not very good, but then he's also not very good for England in limited overs! Who are the white ball batsmen causing us problems, Hales/Vince? Only two blokes really.
Think you're being a bit harsh tbh mate, England are only a few spots sorting themselves out away from being a very good test side indeed. Reserving judgement on Hales still, could do with picking a proper no 3, sort the keeping out and have one of the candidates for no5 come good and we're looking good I think. Oh and find a bloody spinner.
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It would be interesting to see what a "test xi" would be????
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It would be interesting to see what a "test xi" would be????
Criteria:
Have you ever played an expansive shot? If yes, you can't play.
Struggling to put an England side together under those circumstances.
India Test XI: Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid. 12th man: Dravid. Umpire: Dravid. Scorer: Dravid. Teas: Dravid
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Oh some excitement with an appeal. :D Waokes survives.
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India Test XI: Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid. 12th man: Dravid. Umpire: Dravid. Scorer: Dravid. Teas: Dravid
Hell of a side!
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Hell of a side!
Absoloutly.
Teas would take forever too, but they'd be well worth waiting for!
This is like death by a thousand needles. Engrossing, but hard to watch!
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Play straight JB!
Broad Finn and ball left, I doubt this will last tonight now. Broad will be sweeping and swashbuckling from the off.
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Is that the gamme changer...top effort from bairstow but still a lot of runs to get
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All over. Was hoping a quick fire 30 would get the Pakistanis twitching. But nothing. Big Yorker
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Game over, some quick runs from Broad would have given us a decent chance but that's it.
Unless... Woakes... please.
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Bairstow played well...just a single lapse of judgement got him out. That's cricket.
Wahab v/s Broad should be fun. :)
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Oh Bairstow .......good knock comes to an end . Pity . This is one of the best tests ive watched in ages (big call for me considering im a neutral fan/observer with these teams).
Egland need Stokes , Anderson , one more batsman and a real spinner .
Wooooaaaaaahhhhhh.....as i type Broad has been bowled . 2 wickets in 3 balls . It's red rover time now me thinks .
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Amir got Broad. Oh well...
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Only century of the match came from the oldest player of the match, Misbah. Young'uns don't stick around much.
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Finn survives, what a match!!!!
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The annoying tactic of clock face to get Finn on strike, actually gets woakes
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^ It is the classic reverse psychology tactic from Misbah.
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Brilliant match well done Pakistan. Hats off to misbah I saw his hundred there it was excellent.
For England....hmmm, I don't think there is much between rashid and Ali and rashid is more of a threat. Ballance and Vince played ok got to stick with them
We need Anderson back for Finn.
Series is on
Pakistan deserved it but we made a fight of it.
Test cricket dead? :)
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Before anyone lamb basts the England players
I want to say
Very well bowled Yasir Shah,
And also Mohammed Amir
Great effort from those the bowling in tandem
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This Lords test had no sixes in the whole match, the first time that's happened in England for four years and 30 tests. We should all be worried about the balance between bat and ball. Bats need to made even bigger, won't someone think of the poor batsmen?
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Bats need to made even bigger, won't someone think of the poor batsmen?
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
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Bayliss talking about need to spin away from the ten right had nets Pakistan has.
Rashid recall?
Anderson and stokes probably back to. So who's the three that miss out?
Finn and Ali seen the obvious ones, although Ali will only be replaced if Rashid plays.
It will be Ballance or Vince for stokes, both had a decent second innings but who did enough?
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Exciting test match and the better team won; 2nd Lords test of the summer is always a bogey affair.
Thought we bowled well but just collapsed too many times with stupid shot selection, Root and Moeen spring to mind. Special mention to Woakes who's come on leaps and bounds and stepped up.
Anderson naturally will swing things in our favour and I think he'll give the openers something to think about, but also fancy Shah to be more than capable at Old Trafford and Oval. He's definitely one of those generational leggies that only come through every once in awhile a la Warne/Murali etc that are like gold. Would also consider Rashid right now over Moeen.
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Perhaps England batsmen can join Pak team in the nets and practice playing against Yasir and Mushie?
Not sure if it's allowed by the laws but if a talk is made with Pakistan camp, I don't think Pak management will have an issue. They will happily invite English batsmen to their nets.
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Great days test cricket, enthralling, tense and good fun! Shame about the result but that was more poor batting than good bowling other Than one spel of Wahab and yasir again England should have never lost that's game! Poor batting costing England again
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What does Moeen Ali have to do to get dropped?
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What does Moeen Ali have to do to get dropped?
He must be I'm contention to be dropped. Getting sweet FA batting at 8!
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So what would people's 11 for the next test be then?
Here's mine:
Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Bairstow
Stokes
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
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What does Moeen Ali have to do to get dropped?
He has done a very good job for us in test matches not so long ago.it doesn't look like he will trouble the Pakistan batsmen bowling wise,he's an average spinner and they are superb players of spin.
The question really is the same one posed on the forum a month ago. If he is number 8 and the only spinner is he the best one available to take wickets?
England don't exactly have a fully stocked cupboard and its Bangladesh and India this winter.
If I was a selector and we need a spinner for old Trafford I would play rashid as an attacking spinner.
Ansari the left armer might also be close to selection.both rashid and ansari are quality batsmen.
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Rashid with the bat vs shah in uae(about 30" balls wasn't it)
Vs
Ali with the bat vs shah today.
Hmmmm
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So what would people's 11 for the next test be then?
Here's mine:
Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Bairstow
Stokes
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Yup.
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I would love to see Rashid back in this side. That order looks good to me.
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Looks as though Jimmy and Stokes are back bowling and are likely to be fit enough for the 2nd Test.
Therefore they should be cert to replace Ball and Finn.
But as others are saying, Ali looks woefully ineffective against the Pakistan batting.
Although I still think that the selectors will leave Ali in the starting XI for the next Test?
But I do feel that we need to be looking at the likes of Ansari/Rashid as possible frontline spinners.
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The only thing Ansari has done to justify an England cap is go to Cambridge in my opinion.
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I think we need at least three spin options in the squad for Old Trafford. Obviously the woefully inadequate Moeen Ali will be one of them. Adil Rashid is next cab of the rank. But I'd like to see Simon Kerrigan in the mix. His first class record is excellent and OT is his home ground. Factor in slow left arm spin offers Cook the option to dry up an end whereas Rashid(probably more a wicket taking threat) is likely to leak more runs.
I'd also drop James Vince, looking pretty isn't necessary to have a good Test career. He seems out of his depth.
My side:
Cook(c)
Hales
Root
Bairstow(w/k)
Ballance
Stokes
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Kerrigan
Four seam options. A leg spinner and a left arm spinner
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Has England got some kind of "spinners academy" at all?
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Isn't Stokes not being considered for the next test as he's been released to durham for the full match against Lancs where as Jimmy is only there for the first two?
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Hearing the story behind why Anderson wasn't selected is a farce! Bowler, captain and coach all wanted him to play yet selectors thought he wasn't ready!
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The only thing Ansari has done to justify an England cap is go to Cambridge in my opinion.
I think that's rather harsh, when he was selected last year for the UAE tour he was having a blinder of a season. Still think with some work that he could play for England in test format...
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Hearing the story behind why Anderson wasn't selected is a farce! Bowler, captain and coach all wanted him to play yet selectors thought he wasn't ready!
Tough call wasn't it....Bayliss and cook clearly peed off you would think Anderson himself is the best judge.
I think the selectors thought Jimmy has had a few injuries lately after having none at all and lords would e flat-which it was...
Tricky one that...
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Are people bigging up Rashid again?
Grim.
And what about moeens 160 from 2 tests ago?
Rather than rushing into fad like calls, look at form and the role of each player in the team.
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Are people bigging up Rashid again?
Grim.
And what about moeens 160 from 2 tests ago?
Rather than rushing into fad like calls, look at form and the role of each player in the team.
Do you really think the hopeless Sri Lankan bowling unit is in any direct comparison to Pakistan's bowling unit? If you do I think you need some medical attention...
Moeen might've slogged around a very ordinary attack, but Pakistan have genuinely world class bowlers and Moeen isn't remotely world class.
Secondly Moeen is in the side as a spinner but he's damn right sucks.
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The very same 160 he had the best part of 3 reprieves in? He, eventually, made the most of his opportunity but it wasn't a knock full of class by any means.
In my eyes, Moeen Ali is only marginally better than what Joe Root offers with the ball. Wasim Akram got it spot on in the verdict, he isn't a specialist spinner and should only really be selected for his batting. Against a semi-decent attack, he hasn't really shown much in the way of temperament.
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I think we need at least three spin options in the squad for Old Trafford. Obviously the woefully inadequate Moeen Ali will be one of them. Adil Rashid is next cab of the rank. But I'd like to see Simon Kerrigan in the mix. His first class record is excellent and OT is his home ground. Factor in slow left arm spin offers Cook the option to dry up an end whereas Rashid(probably more a wicket taking threat) is likely to leak more runs.
I'd also drop James Vince, looking pretty isn't necessary to have a good Test career. He seems out of his depth.
My side:
Cook(c)
Hales
Root
Bairstow(w/k)
Ballance
Stokes
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Kerrigan
Four seam options. A leg spinner and a left arm spinner
If that side happens I will never buy another cricket bat!
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Cook
Hales
Root
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Ball
Anderson.
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Are people bigging up Rashid again?
Grim.
And what about moeens 160 from 2 tests ago?
Rather than rushing into fad like calls, look at form and the role of each player in the team.
Moeens batting really shouldn't come into the question, he's picked as the frontline spinner. He should be judged on that first and foremost and his bowling has been poor for a long time
I can see the argument that he adds batting depth but with Woakes looking likes he's found his place that really negates the need for Moeens lower order runs, which before his 160 were few and far between.
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Best Test match I have seen in a few years.
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Have had a comedy chat with the powers that be seems as if the team in Thursday will be
Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Personally I tried to explain that this isn't the best use of our resources.
My team would be...
Cook
Hales
Root
Bairstow (best 4 batsmen in the top 4. Means that we need another keeper.
Ali
Stokes
Woakes
Ansari
Any other keeper, who can actually catch.
Broad
Anderson
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Have had a comedy chat with the powers that be seems as if the team in Thursday will be
Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Personally I tried to explain that this isn't the best use of our resources.
My team would be...
Cook
Hales
Root
Bairstow (best 4 batsmen in the top 4. Means that we need another keeper.
Ali
Stokes
Woakes
Ansari
Any other keeper, who can actually catch.
Broad
Anderson
So instead of selecting a proper spinner, you'd select two average ones instead?
If we need a spinner is has to be a frontline one like Rashid or Kerrigan.
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I think my team would probably be:
Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
But I would like to point out that I don't think Jake Ball did anything wrong and looked very promising, but if Stokes and Anderson are fit they should play.
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I think Ali should be coming under pressure, but little I have seen from Rashid in an English shirt convinces me he would be any better.
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Right, lets start with Ali. He is clearly not deemed to be one of the best five batsmen in England (there are five plus YJB in the side ahead of him now) and has done very little in his test career to suggest that he is capable of anything more than late order counter attack. So, he has to stand or fall on his bowling - and his bowling is quite fankly absolute pie. So, for me, he goes.
Stokes and Anderson for Finn and Ball is a no-brainer. That leaves the question of who bowls spin and whether any changes are needed in the top five.
Spinner is tricky - the options are limited. Rashid is probably the most talented, but you do wonder how many first innings overs he would be good for. Having watched Ansari against Yorkshire last week, I am sad to say he is nowhere near test class, though he is a bit more reliable as a guy to block up an end than Ali. Who else is there? Tredwell? Batty? Or do you go for another like Moeen who is really a batsman - Patel? Borthwick?
The batting places are equally tricky - three are up for grabs, as Hales still has the ?????s out, Vince is starting to give the impression of impermanence and Ballance, well as he played, still gives the impression that the selectors recalled the wrong Yorkshire left hander.
So...to
Cook
Lyth
Hales
Root
Ballance
Bairstow
Stokes
A Spinner. Pick the name from a hat.
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
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Do we have to have a spinner in the side? Can't we just pack the team with enough seamers? Pakistan are clearly a lot more comfortable again spin that seem and especially a very average spinner in Ali.
Cook
Lees
Hales
Root
Bairstow
Vince
Stokes
Woakes
Broad
Ball
Anderson
5 out and out seamers with Root/Vince to ball some part time if required. Bat down to number 8/9.
I worry a bit that we have gone back to a bowling attack that is all very similar, 82-85mph right armers. Would much rather have a left armer in there somewhere. Possibly swap ball for Willey.
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Right, lets start with Ali. He is clearly not deemed to be one of the best five batsmen in England (there are five plus YJB in the side ahead of him now) and has done very little in his test career to suggest that he is capable of anything more than late order counter attack. So, he has to stand or fall on his bowling - and his bowling is quite fankly absolute pie. So, for me, he goes.
Stokes and Anderson for Finn and Ball is a no-brainer. That leaves the question of who bowls spin and whether any changes are needed in the top five.
Spinner is tricky - the options are limited. Rashid is probably the most talented, but you do wonder how many first innings overs he would be good for. Having watched Ansari against Yorkshire last week, I am sad to say he is nowhere near test class, though he is a bit more reliable as a guy to block up an end than Ali. Who else is there? Tredwell? Batty? Or do you go for another like Moeen who is really a batsman - Patel? Borthwick?
The batting places are equally tricky - three are up for grabs, as Hales still has the ?????s out, Vince is starting to give the impression of impermanence and Ballance, well as he played, still gives the impression that the selectors recalled the wrong Yorkshire left hander.
So...to
Cook
Lyth
Hales
Root
Ballance
Bairstow
Stokes
A Spinner. Pick the name from a hat.
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
if nothing else, i'm glad there is someone else who thinks Adam Lyth should play as opener. Thanks ! :)
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Possibly swap ball for Willey.
Fnnnrr Fnnnrr!!! Who wouldn't? :D
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Possibly swap ball for Willey.
Ball lacks penetration in comparison to Willey :D
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Aside for the obvious swaps, I'd like to see an extra top order player come in, probably Robson. Maybe Lyth but given his struggles with left arm seam last time round, not sure he's the man to play vs Pakistan! Thought Ballance batted quite well so he stays and Vince, who hasn't, goes. Would like to see a left arm seamer in (footit ahead of Willey there) but they don't get in ahead of Anderson, Broad and Woakes.
Cook
Hales/Robson
Robson/Hales
Root
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid or Ansari
Broad
Anderson
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I think Ali should be coming under pressure, but little I have seen from Rashid in an English shirt convinces me he would be any better.
Yep, Rashid is less of a test spinner than Moeen is. He's fine in limited overs games where the onus is on the batsmen to attack him but he bowls too much filth in between the good balls and any half decent batting unit will milk him in tests with no problems. Fortunately Pakistan aren't actually that good at batting so who knows...
Do we have to have a spinner in the side? Can't we just pack the team with enough seamers? Pakistan are clearly a lot more comfortable again spin that seem and especially a very average spinner in Ali.
Cook
Lees
Hales
Root
Bairstow
Vince
Stokes
Woakes
Broad
Ball
Anderson
5 out and out seamers with Root/Vince to ball some part time if required. Bat down to number 8/9.
I worry a bit that we have gone back to a bowling attack that is all very similar, 82-85mph right armers. Would much rather have a left armer in there somewhere. Possibly swap ball for Willey.
That sounds like a good idea until Cook gets suspended for slow over rates ;)
Just find any club level slow left arm pie chucker, doesn't matter who as long as they're cack-handed and the Pakistani batsmen will fall over themselves to gift him their wickets. It's a plan that has worked for as long as I can remember.
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club level slow left arm pie chucker? Samit it is then!
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Dawson played a limited over game the other they must have their eyes on him. I really like Ali as a cricketer but 160 against SL which is no better than a County attack really doesn't cut it. I watched him bowl Thursday and there was no threat at all.
If it's going away from the right hand edge there is at least more of a chance.
Samit Patel..... TIN HAT ON. he's a good cricketer and could do a job. Yes he ate all the pies but I grew up watching botham,lamb,larkins and eddie hemmings. how about a bit of nostalgia?
:)
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I can't see how Borthwick was overlooked, the way Ali got himself out was appalling showed no bottle he needs to go for an out and out spinner or rashid.
My line up would be:
Cook
Hales
Root
Ballance
Vince/borthwick
Stokes
Bairstow
Rashid/patel/spinner
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
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Ball lacks penetration in comparison to Willey :D
I wonder what the selectors prefer, Ball swinging or Willey pounding in
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I wonder what the selectors prefer, Ball swinging or Willey pounding in
I noticed yesterday that when it comes to batting. Ball's deep in his crease.
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Fraser is at Hampshire v Surrey today and has had the privilege of watching Foakesy ton up and Batty piling up the runs. Ah.
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England is over-obsessed with spin. Just pick your best bowlers. If there isn't a Test match spinner ready, go with all seam and let Root bowl the 8 overs or so that MA got to bowl.
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Fraser is at Hampshire v Surrey today and has had the privilege of watching Foakesy ton up and Batty piling up the runs. Ah.
Ben Foakes 390 not out Fraser has ruled him out not fit.... sorry couldn't resist :)
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Fraser is at Hampshire v Surrey today and has had the privilege of watching Foakesy ton up and Batty piling up the runs. Ah.
Poor little Mason Crane getting a double ton up too, sounds like an absolute road at Southampton this week!
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I wonder what the selectors prefer, Ball swinging or Willey pounding in
I think you have to play Ball with soft hands but you can go a bit harder with Willey.
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No sexual puns in my post. Sorry.
14 man squad announced. The 11 from yesterday plus Anderson stokes and ....... Rashid!!!!
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Stokes has bowled 20 plus overs in the County game- more for Jimmy A plus a few press up's on the outfield.
We are a better side with those two in it.
glad Rashid is back. Think it turns more at Old Trafford these days.
This series is on, can't wait for the second test.
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Stokes has bowled 20 plus overs in the County game- more for Jimmy A plus a few press up's on the outfield.
We are a better side with those two in it.
glad Rashid is back. Think it turns more at Old Trafford these days.
This series is on, can't wait for the second test.
Too early to say for sure - but has an ashes 2005 feel to it. Non stop excitement
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Looking forward to the second test. Inclusion of Benji and Anderson in the England side will pose a lot of challenges for Pak batsmen.
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Stokes has bowled 20 plus overs in the County game- more for Jimmy A plus a few press up's on the outfield.
We are a better side with those two in it.
glad Rashid is back. Think it turns more at Old Trafford these days.
This series is on, can't wait for the second test.
I just don't think Rashid has the control for test match cricket. He impressed me in the last couple of odi's though, so hopefully he can continue that form if he gets the chance!
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I just don't think Rashid has the control for test match cricket. He impressed me in the last couple of odi's though, so hopefully he can continue that form if he gets the chance!
England will be fired up for old Trafford, normally it's our seamers that lead the way so might be a close call between the two spinners. We also don't play that well at lords, so support will be better at the other grounds. England don't make too many changes unless they have to these days. At that position thou we should play our best spinner...the one most likely to get wickets. pretty sure old Trafford should turn the most so if rashid is going to play Manchester should be the best wicket for him.
If it is dry thou Yasir could be even more of a handful.....
:)
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More Yorkshire players picked to help Middlesex win the league, next they'll be taking Gale to carry drinks and Lees to captain
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Mwah hahahah! God bless Angus Fraser!!
Mind you, Middx didn't gripe too much through the 80's when they regularly lost Gatting, Downton, Edmonds and Embury all at the same time.
Maybe the Jazz-Hatters were more philosophical about supporting England than the dour Northerners - if you had an independent Yorkshire, this wouldn't be a problem! :)
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Just been reading. This on how 14 become 11
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2016/content/story/1036661.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2016/content/story/1036661.html)
Thing I find amusing is many questioning why Ballance was returned to squad(both on here and in press)
Now after one test. In which Vince and Ballance scored similar runs. The entire press seems to be Ballance over Vince. As do the sky pundits.
Did Vince have that bad a test??
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@smilley792 Vince didn't have a bad Test by any stretch, but I suppose he doesn't have the weight of Test Match runs behind him that Ballance does.
Just remember the press are almost as fickle as the fans, but I expect both to be back on the county circuit before long...
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@smilley792 Vince didn't have a bad Test by any stretch, but I suppose he doesn't have the weight of Test Match runs behind him that Ballance does.
Just remember the press are almost as fickle as the fans, but I expect both to be back on the county circuit before long...
ive read similar today.... I don't really get it myself and we need not to go back to the days of picking players for a test or two and dropping them. im not convinced about Vince but glad he got a chance, and they have got to give him a few games.
The England management like Balance, he is a good player technical problems or not.
personally you wouldn't have this selection issue if we had picked Stokes to bat only and then only one of balance or Vince at Lords.
Can't help thinking Cook and Bayliss got over ruled on this (stokes as a batter only) as well as the Anderson issue.
Is Stokes as good a batsman as Vince and Balance? well he got 250 odd not so long ago.
I think myself vince will stay in and Anderson and stokes back for ball and finn- with Rashid/ali a close call....
but yes...now we picked Vince he has to be given time.
If however we do play two spinners it's going to be vince or balance that gets dropped- Vince almost certainly
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@smilley792 Vince didn't have a bad Test by any stretch, but I suppose he doesn't have the weight of Test Match runs behind him that Ballance does.
Just remember the press are almost as fickle as the fans, but I expect both to be back on the county circuit before long...
do you think thou, it's the way Vince got out that has prompted this? caught slashing outside off? he is an attacking player, if your out your out thou, what's worse playing a forward defensive and getting bowled or trying to take the game on and looking bad when youre out?
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Thinking about this, wasn't Ballance at number 3 when he scored the majority of his Test runs?
With a couple of changes the selectors could go for something that keeps our best players in the position where they've scored their runs, while (arguably) strengthening the line up
1. Cook*
2. Hales
3. Ballance
4. Root
5. Vince
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow+
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Broad
11. Anderson
Moeen, Finn & Ball would be the players to miss out, but with Stokes, Anderson & Rashid coming in and a slight re-shuffle to the batting line up I think that looks a more balanced side and there are less players out of position.
You could swap Stokes and Bairstow in that batting line up if you see fit, and not counting Broad as a batsman that's a long line up (hopefully) with plenty of runs in it!
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Vince needs until the end of the series to assess really.
I would be tempted to play
Root
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid/Ali
Broad
Anderson
Can't see them going with another line-up but you never know!! And I suspect they will stick with Ali for the 2nd Test as well.
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I'm pretty sure that when Stokes started to make a name for himself in 4 day cricket at Durham, it was as a number 5 bat who bowled a bit.
The slashing all-rounder seems to have come about since he got into the England side (in a desperate attempt to replicate Flintoff and Botham).
Perhaps he should be in as a batter and reminded that this is his primary function, with the 4th seamer role as a blessed bonus.
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I'm pretty sure that when Stokes started to make a name for himself in 4 day cricket at Durham, it was as a number 5 bat who bowled a bit.
The slashing all-rounder seems to have come about since he got into the England side (in a desperate attempt to replicate Flintoff and Botham).
Perhaps he should be in as a batter and reminded that this is his primary function, with the 4th seamer role as a blessed bonus.
I'm not sure about his early county days but he played his club cricket at my hometown club and was always played as a genuine all rounder right up until signing for Durham.
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I'm not sure about his early county days but he played his club cricket at my hometown club and was always played as a genuine all rounder right up until signing for Durham.
did you play any cricket with him Northern? if so is he the sort of bloke you could call a ginger minger and get away with it? by the looks of his arms he could lift a house
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I played against Stokesy all through Junior Cricket, He used to open the Bowling in the junior teams and was one of the sharpest around, but it was his batting that always stood out, he put me over Cockermouths Club house on a few occasions and I returned the favor as well. In answer to his temper, the ginger gene is definitely present!
Played against Jordan Clark also who used to be a Keeper batsman at juniors but is now bowling for Lancs 1st Team
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Same as our Shameless friend here I only ever played against him not with him. Back then I could have called him it because he was only a teenager and I'm about 5 years older than him, not sure I would say it now mind haha! He was too quick for me (I'm rubbish mind) even at 15/16 and he held the fastest ton in our midweek league (before it's demise) aged about 14 years old playing against men he got to 100 off around 40 balls, hit the ball a freakish long way and we all hit it a long way up here (bred tough you see :D).
Apparently he's always had a temper too, I was just finishing 6th Form when he joined our secondary school I think so I never really bumped into him then but mutual friends have often remarked on his temper, I believe fatherhood has calmed him somewhat though (at least off field!). For the record his dad is apparently a bit of a nutter too so it must be in the blood haha!
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For the record his dad is apparently a bit of a nutter too so it must be in the blood haha!
Rugby League blood in his veins!
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Rugby League blood in his veins!
Nonesense, my grandfather played League for England and I turned out ok..........................
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I've heard Stokes is rediciulously loose on a night out. Especially so when it comes to being in Oz.
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I've heard Stokes is rediciulously loose on a night out. Especially so when it comes to being in Oz.
come Friday in Manchester he will be fully focused i'm sure :)
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@Sivlar13. Thats why they included ballance in the team for the first test, they needed to make up the quota of drinkers whilst stokesy was out.
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Ball and Finn released form squad.
So then there was 12!!
Rashid still there.
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Heading up from London for Day 2. Never been to OT before, what's the easiest way to get there from Piccadilly Station? Bus appears to be the least of hassle
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BALL looked pretty good last match, he's got some pace.
Jimmy and Stokes back
COME ON ENGLAND !!!!
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Thank god they let Finn go, would have been typical of the old England to keep him involved and probably play him, looked woeful last test
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Wouldn't be too surprised to see James Vince get chopped and Ben Stokes play as a pure batsman.
Cook
Hales
Root
Ballance
Bairstow
Stokes
Woakes
Ali
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
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Wouldn't be too surprised to see James Vince get chopped and Ben Stokes play as a pure batsman.
Cook
Hales
Root
Ballance
Bairstow
Stokes
Woakes
Ali
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
You think we need 2 spinners at Old Trafford because England will stay loyal to Ali for a bit longer or because we genuinely need 2 spinners? last time( I think) we played two twirlies at home was panesar and swann at Cardiff ashes test....
I think.... :)
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You think we need 2 spinners at Old Trafford because England will stay loyal to Ali for a bit longer or because we genuinely need 2 spinners? last time( I think) we played two twirlies at home was panesar and swann at Cardiff ashes test....
I think.... :)
Kerrigan and Swann at the Oval 2013
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You think we need 2 spinners at Old Trafford because England will stay loyal to Ali for a bit longer or because we genuinely need 2 spinners? last time( I think) we played two twirlies at home was panesar and swann at Cardiff ashes test....
I think.... :)
I think two spinners will be needed at OT.
Ali probably more be needed more in first innings. And Rashid to come into his own in the second innings. Rashid lacks the control to block up an end in the first innings IMO.
Anderson, Broad and Woakes. If needed Stokes has be cleared to bowl so if the spinners get tonked revert to seam up.
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Kerrigan and Swann at the Oval 2013
yes you're spot on there......
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@rickjames you can catch the tram from Piccadilly to Old Trafford. Definitely quicker than a bus
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@rickjames you can catch the tram from Piccadilly to Old Trafford. Definitely quicker than a bus
works going on the trams at the moment mate and i think this will effect the old trafford line. Not 100% but thought id give you the heads up @rickjames
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You think we need 2 spinners at Old Trafford because England will stay loyal to Ali for a bit longer or because we genuinely need 2 spinners? last time( I think) we played two twirlies at home was panesar and swann at Cardiff ashes test....
I think.... :)
2 spinners is not a good idea. England should go with another swing/seam/quick bowler to compliment Anderson/Broad/Woakes. Pak batsmen will struggle against fast bowling.
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Have had a comedy chat with the powers that be seems as if the team in Thursday will be
Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
As I said.
Now we must score about 500 in the first innings...
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Rashid has more experience as a waiter than a cricketer, poor bloke has carried more drinks for this test side than I've had hot meals.
EDIT Just read they're going to let him play T20 for Yorkshire tonight so that's something I suppose.
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England batting to 9 with 10 having as hs against Pakistan of 169 :)
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England batting to 9 with 10 having as hs against Pakistan of 169 :)
That's fine but we need to win, i'm a bit disappointed Rashid has not got a game here, ALi has done a job for us in the last couple of years and England are a loyal bunch these days
but if he's not going to play here he may have wait till abroad in the winter to get a test match
:)
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That's some ball from Amir!
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That's some ball from Amir!
Very poor footwork and bat position from Hales though.
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Poor shot and no doubt here comes the hales isn't good enough brigade
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Amir is quality, you need a watertight technique at the top level otherwise you will get found out. ok against the lower teams but not against the best.
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the importance of getting your foot to the pitch
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Waiting for someone to say we should get rid of Alex Hales for the next test.
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Is root wearing a new NB shoe or are they spiked up NB trainers?
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Is root wearing a new NB shoe or are they spiked up NB trainers?
https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/756450849522651136
They look like spikes mate
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Amir is a quality bowler, but hales's defence needs to tighten up a little the lad needs the series to bat against a quality bowling attack and then a judgement can be made but until then he opens the batting for the entire series
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Hales' technique is poor but he can still do something at Test level. Perhaps he could move down to 5 and Lyth can come in as opener.
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Yorkshire fans will be in meltdown if we nick Lyth as well for the team.
:)
well batted Joe, this lad is class
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The amount of tape of Cook's bat, he must love that thing. Doesn't have go mind, a very good 50.
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The amount of tape of Cook's bat, he must love that thing. Doesn't have go mind, a very good 50.
think there were pics up on the forum not so long ago of it being refurbed at GN. might be wrong but believe the expert there has a background restoring furniture.
could be wrong thou! :)
good to see the pro's have a favourite too, Cook won't be joining the forum thou with just one bat....
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I'm very intrigued as to why cook has one shoulder of his bat cut off - left handers inside edge
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I'm very intrigued as to why cook has one shoulder of his bat cut off - left handers inside edge
Odd tha,t standard Niall O'Brien mod as he chokes the bottom of the bat so finds the shoulder gets in the way. Cook doesn't look to hold it that low down though so maybe it's just a result of a repair to the shoulder.
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CHEF
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Healthy strike rate of 62.50 as well.
Lovely stuff
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Also level with Bradman on 29 centuries
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Yes Chef!
I bet he loves that helmet ;)
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Yes Chef!
I bet he loves that helmet ;)
and the bat, ECB have been on the phone saying they want a nice clean faced bat as he is England captain :)
England hit back. it's lovely and it's far better up north.
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These over rates from both teams are absolutely shambolic
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Always a shame to lose a wicket like that, but an excellent knock froom Cook to set the foundations. Time for the middle order to step up.
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Will be interesting to see what Amir's doing in a few months time. He's bowling a few crackerjack deliveries but seems to be missing that genius he had back in 2010. Naturally after 6 years away he's gonna take a while to get back to his best.
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perfect platform set for vince to settle in here not play a silly drive and get himself some runs
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PHEW! Lucky drop!! :o
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Odd tha,t standard Niall O'Brien mod as he chokes the bottom of the bat so finds the shoulder gets in the way. Cook doesn't look to hold it that low down though so maybe it's just a result of a repair to the shoulder.
I thought it was something to do with a hand injury a while ago.
I think it may have been @hell4leather cricket who cut one up for him
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Poor Amir, four catches dropped off his bowling this series and not a single one held. The only wickets he's got have been when he's taken matters into his hands and rattled the stumps.
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perfect platform set for vince to settle in here not play a silly drive and get himself some runs
Say what?
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Shock horror Vince flops again...Jimmy Hildreth where art thou!
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Rooooooot !
well batted son
If you had the in-elegance but grit of Balance and the silky shots of Vince would we have the perfect number 5 ?
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Rooooooot !
well batted son
If you had the in-elegance but grit of Balance and the silky shots of Vince would we have the perfect number 5 ?
Hildreth ;)
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Hildreth ;)
haha.. west country I can see on your profile.
Good player, no doubt about that....he's been unlucky not to get more than an A tour here and there.
:)
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Poor Amir, four catches dropped off his bowling this series and not a single one held. The only wickets he's got have been when he's taken matters into his hands and rattled the stumps.
My heart bleeds
#karma
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My heart bleeds
#karma
The guy was not only banned, but actually went to jail and you're talking about a dropped catch being karma?
(http://i.imgur.com/530F16n.gif)
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Just don't like cheaters. That's all. Hope the effort you put in for the GIF made you feel better though.
Wasn't anything personal towards you was it mate?
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@justnotcricket86 feel the same as you mate, shouldn't have been allowed to play the game again in my opinion
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Chris Woakes is a hell of a batsman to go out as nightwatchman, Jimmy and Broad have clearly stamped their feet there.
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Vince and ballance are a waste of time. England's and my own... awful performances! How many tests do you allow a batsman that hasn't scored a 50 in any of his 7 innings? and how many chances do you give Ballance? His last 13 innings have only contained 1 50 and that's against 4 different opposition!
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I think woakes has said night watchman is my best chance of a decent knock. Good for him and good luck to him.
Who would have thought Root would be a decent no 3.
Well batted eng today. Going to need to bat all tomorrow too though.
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Would have been nice to see Vince or Ballance get some runs but apart from that, England couldn't have asked for a much better day.
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Would have been nice to see Vince or Ballance get some runs but apart from that, England couldn't have asked for a much better day.
Coming from a Hampshire man, I just don't think Vince has it at this level. Would make an awesome ODI/T20 player, but he looks stiff as a board and can't help himself with those drives.
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Looking forward to a day 5 PAK 2nd innings when Moeen is getting a 1 or 2 degrees of turn out of the rough!
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Pains me to say it, but I really want Pakistan to expose our lack of a competent spinner and give Moeen Ali the treatment like they did in the UAE.
Realistically, that's the only way he'd get dropped for Rashid. Wouldn't surprise me if he goes unused because Jimmy and co. do the business first up.
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The wicket looks pretty flat to me and gun barrel straight
We might need wickets from spin
I hoped England would pick rashid too,it does turn at old trafford but as long as he's got an england shirt on im supporting him
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I think Ali has to go we need an out and out spinner with rashid a bowler that can bat rather than a 'batsman' that can bowl
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The English have no clue how to look after legspinners!
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Simple truth is, county cricket is now completely designed to produce one day players. That means that spinners will be rare and any that come about will generally be one day style spinners. People can argue but the fact he majority of batsmen playing 4-5 day cricket now are all one day style players just proves the system is wrong.
What county is going to develop a cook style player when the majority of cricket anyone plays now is hit and biff. Spinners come into their own in long games, if you aren't playing any then you won't develop the skill.
Moeen is crap but given England seem to want his batting more than bowling expect him to stay for a few more years yet.
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Pains me to say it, but I really want Pakistan to expose our lack of a competent spinner and give Moeen Ali the treatment like they did in the UAE.
Realistically, that's the only way he'd get dropped for Rashid. Wouldn't surprise me if he goes unused because Jimmy and co. do the business first up.
*Hopes Moeen gets dropped for a competent spinner*
*Wants Rashid to replace him*
Come on man.
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Adil is a good spinner, but he isn't great yet.
He can rip the ball, but he's inconsistent with line and lengh. Way too many short balls.
He needs to pay Warne's gambling bills for a few years in exchange for some insight.
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I think the best thing is to see how Moeen goes on this pitch that is purported to be helpful before swing the axe.
If he can't bowl competently on this, then it should answer the questions about both temperment and technique.
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Impressive from Root that of his 10 hundreds he's gone on to turn 5 of those into 150+ scores
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Does Woakes look a better batter than Vince or Ballance?
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Woakes has been a revelation since his come back into test cricket makes a really difference having one of your front line bowlers capable of scoring but runs as well I like the idea of having two out and out seam bowlers in Jimmy and broad and then you have your genuine all rounders in stokes and woakes being able to score runs and take wickets as well.
The only issues I have regarding the current side is whether you keep vince in the side averaging 18 and if you replace Ali with rashid, personally I would like to see someone like borthwick or another inform county batsman given a chance
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Woakes has been a revelation since his come back into test cricket makes a really difference having one of your front line bowlers capable of scoring but runs as well I like the idea of having two out and out seam bowlers in Jimmy and broad and then you have your genuine all rounders in stokes and woakes being able to score runs and take wickets as well.
The only issues I have regarding the current side is whether you keep vince in the side averaging 18 and if you replace Ali with rashid, personally I would like to see someone like borthwick or another inform county batsman given a chance
Given the batting that's there, why not swap vince for Rashid and be done with it. Play Rashid as a spinner and you still bat down to 9.
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Yup, stokes, Bairstow, Woakes is an fine 5, 6, 7
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Root at 3 is obviously a really bad idea still though ... 😉
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Obviously a really bad idea to bat root at 3, they always say your best batsman should bat at 3, could be an idea to play 2 spinners or just play borthwick instead of Vince he can bowl a little
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Outstanding day of test cricket, great weather to boot. Old Trafford is mint as well, definitely going back another time. Love a beer snake
Lovely Rooty
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My new favourite cricket fan is Cookie Monster , he's awesome! I hope he and Minnie Mouse have tickets for day three because I want to watch Bumble ask him more questions and then watch Cookie nod yes and see his eyes wobble . Simple minds huh ?!! :D ;)
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@rickjames , that is a big ground!
Good for Cook and Root!
A total clusterf*** for Pakistan. They have to get rid of Hafeez and groom another opener - he can't bat/open for poo!
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Would of been a great day at the cricket, lots of runs, wickets and plenty of pints being sunk !!
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JIMMY
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Just switched over to the Worcester/Warwickshire game during the rain break, scenes.
Worcs currently 19/6 lol - Clarke already on a fifer.
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Masuri neck guard just flew off after getting hit on the grille
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Masuri neck guard just flew off after getting hit on the grille
It does just clip onto the grille and is designed to be removable, so it's hardly surprising that a substantial impact is enough to knock it off. The beauty is that you simply clip it back on and you're good to go again.
You don't have that issue with the Shrey neck guard that is velcro'd onto the grille though...
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Is Wahab actually sponsored?
New Balance TC gloves and pads, with a DC580 bat? I'd have thought sponsored players would get one range of gear and the top end stuff ???
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Think this game is only going one way
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Think this game is only going one way
Misbah heroically battles his way to a triple century for the ages? Let's hope so ;)
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If only! Very surprised that they have decided to not enforce the follow on
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Can only think we bat for an hour and put them back in buts theres rain about..
Amir using a warsop scimitar if im not mistaken
Thats could be first in tests for warsop
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Can only think we bat for an hour and put them back in buts theres rain about..
Amir using a warsop scimitar if im not mistaken
Thats could be first in tests for warsop
Did Ravi not use one in his first couple of tests or had he switched sponsors by the??
I remember him using a Warsop in some ODIs
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Think it was a gm icon in the tests when he got 3 tons close together...not sure about one dayers thou
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Ravi use to use warsop and then once he got handed his international caps he changed to GM I believe he use to use the venom and it's good seeing the 'smaller' brands getting some to limelight
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Lead of over 500, cook continues to bat on. Stats man cook looking to rack up a few more easy runs.
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Lead of over 500, cook continues to bat on. Stats man cook looking to rack up a few more easy runs.
providing we win this test it won't make a jot of difference. I don't disagree with what he has done actually myself. It's test cricket not a game with your mates.
I presume...he is trying to demoralise Pakistan by giving them not even 1 per cent chance of winning the game.
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I'm OK with the pair of them tonning up if they're playing like this. Just remember Cook still has a chance of beating Sachin's test run record which would make the Indian population collectively cry several dams worth of tears
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Also the fastest test century by an Englishman is 76 balls, Root certainly in with a shout.
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Switch hit sweeping, Rooty has learned from the best
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just remember come Saturday Root plays the same game we do....
just a bit better at it
:)
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What an awful declaration. Ton up the pair of you!
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What an awful declaration. Ton up the pair of you!
Agreed!! Ton each was there for the taking. May as well have had a go
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poor declaration yes however when we win it will all be forgotten.
9 left now too!
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wonder whether even at test level there's a mental difference knowing when you walk out to bat there's absolutely no chance of winning if that affects your shots?
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What an awful declaration. Ton up the pair of you!
My Guardian newsfeed this morning popped up with - Everyone in the world slates Cook for not enforcing follow on - I think if he'd have got himself a ton and then Pakistan batted the game out he'd be lynched.
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2 down before lunch, just what england needed! time for another yet too!
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waiting for a tweet from shoaib ahktar 100mph about the declaration.
Good to see Freddie giving the Sky exports a right hammering on twitter too
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watching younis khan bat in the innings i cant remember him ever movcing this much other than in the uae vs england no wonder hes just been dropped, so much movement!!
almost as bad to watch as steve smith!!!!
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watching younis khan bat in the innings i cant remember him ever movcing this much other than in the uae vs england no wonder hes just been dropped, so much movement!!
almost as bad to watch as steve smith!!!!
Looking pretty at the crease doesn't pay the bills, just look at Vince...
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Looking pretty at the crease doesn't pay the bills, just look at Vince...
Wheyhey. Aussies back.
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Wheyhey. Aussies back.
My favourite player is Hildreth, hardly the most elegant but scores bucket loads.
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My Guardian newsfeed this morning popped up with - Everyone in the world slates Cook for not enforcing follow on - I think if he'd have got himself a ton and then Pakistan batted the game out he'd be lynched.
At the rate the pair of them were going they'd have probably done it in 10 overs so I don't see no harm in just going for it and if either of them were out then fine. Hey ho.
Good start anyway
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At the rate the pair of them were going they'd have probably done it in 10 overs so I don't see no harm in just going for it and if either of them were out then fine. Hey ho.
Good start anyway
Batting for the average😉😉😉
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Not Stokesy. Please, God no
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Not Stokesy. Please, God no
doesnt look good!
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Seriously feel for stokes here, poor lad
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Make or break time for Ali. Without Stokes, we can't afford for the spinner to go around the park
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England have shown faith in him, time to get a couple of wickets today...... :)
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MO
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Sky just flashed up the Lions score, kinell! Duckett 220*, Bell-Drummond 171*, 425-1 from their 50 overs. Yeesh!
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England have shown faith in him, time to get a couple of wickets today...... :)
He's got one...but for the love of God quit with the beamers ... :o
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Sky just flashed up the Lions score, kinell! Duckett 220*, Bell-Drummond 171*, 425-1 from their 50 overs. Yeesh!
Duckett has scored well against Pak A and SL A in this series! Scores of 163*, 61, 4 and now 220* is good going at number 3.
One to keep an eye on!!
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He's got one...but for the love of God quit with the beamers ... :o
Pakistan want to hit him, so he could pick up a couple. full bunger off a spinner def puts you off getting forward for a while :)
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Sky just flashed up the Lions score, kinell! Duckett 220*, Bell-Drummond 171*, 425-1 from their 50 overs. Yeesh!
I was going to start a topic the order day, I read an article about this youngster duckett. it's ben duckett of northants right?
seems to be making some big scores once he is in. A young version of David Sales? who if there are any Northants fans on here Sales can only be described with Ramprakash as the most gifted player of his generation not to really make it
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I was going to start a topic the order day, I read an article about this youngster duckett. it's ben duckett of northants right?
seems to be making some big scores once he is in. A young version of David Sales? who if there are any Northants fans on here Sales can only be described with Ramprakash as the most gifted player of his generation not to really make it
David Sales missed the boat after he ruined his knee? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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David Sales missed the boat after he ruined his knee? Or am I thinking of someone else?
yes and no. breathtakingly talented when he was younger, used to hit double and triple tons for fun. He did have an injury but for whatever reason didn't fulfil his potential. Had some amazing seasons for Northants.
sort of similar to Rob Key, don't know if the super-fit demands of England's cricketers really fitted with him. Rob (by all accounts) likes a pint and a fag I think Sales was the same.
just because you are super-fit thou won't change your talent :)
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Mo get's Younis and that my lovely fellow forum members means the fat lady is warming up back stage
:) :)
mighty England!!!
declared far too early.
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yes and no. breathtakingly talented when he was younger, used to hit double and triple tons for fun. He did have an injury but for whatever reason didn't fulfil his potential. Had some amazing seasons for Northants.
sort of similar to Rob Key, don't know if the super-fit demands of England's cricketers really fitted with him. Rob (by all accounts) likes a pint and a fag I think Sales was the same.
just because you are super-fit thou won't change your talent :)
David Sales ruined his knee on an England A tour to the Caribbean. Amazing that he played again, but having missed the boat, you can't blame him for the spare tyre.
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I like the gloves Misbah and Asad Shafiq are wearing.
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Nearly there! Getting very close to the tail...plus their two main quality batsmen back in the pavilion!
(http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii471/petehosk/69D0710E-F52E-4C2D-90D3-2BDFCF66A2F5_zpsfkklzxbh.jpg)
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chris woakes has got to be the most improved England player since gawd knows when
where's @WalkingWicket37 down the pub saying 'I told you so'
:)
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Am I the only one in love with Amir's WS bat?
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Am I the only one in love with Amir's WS bat?
warsop's are great, if Ravi Bops had continued using them and not messed with bat karma he might have 75 caps by now.
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Cook confirmed. Finny steve to start. Ball and Rashid sent ball to counties.
Probably a day or two late for counties needing them in the on day cup. Oh well.
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that's a bit of a surprise, Finn looked well out of sorts in the first game, Ball bowled really well.
Finn needs to run in and bowl quick even if it's for 5 overs at a time.
Pakistan coach says they now have plans for Cook and Root and the rest of the England batting is weak(he's not wrong)
What plans have they got I wonder... :)
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Finn did alright there last year, remember? Haha.
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Your right Finn is at his best when he bowls in short sharp bursts as fast as he can and bangs it in on a good length get the batsman hopping around
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Finn did alright there last year, remember? Haha.
he has pace for sure, his record is actually really really goods if you like stats. and we don't have many guys capable of hitting 90 mph.....
I was at Lords(might have mentioned that before :)) and he was clutching his knee,flexing his knee and was well down on pace, Ball was much quicker....
But he's an asset for sure....personally, and I could be totally wide of the mark here, but his problems seem to be in the head more than anything. I don't think he is the most confident cricketer and maybe lacks confidence.
These guys are still humans like the rest of us.....personality you can't change whether you are a club player or a pro....
that's what I think anyway :)
anyone who has read Robin Smith's book (quest for number 1) would have read about a cricketer wracked with self doubt and confidence issues. I watched and admired RS growing up and i'd never of thought that.
You tube some highlights of Smith V Merv Hughes still makes me smile
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Anyone elsa at Edgbaston on Friday this week for Day 3
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Day 1 for me, checking yesterday and ticket sales look rather poor
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Anyone elsa at Edgbaston on Friday this week for Day 3
Yes sir. Hoping for good weather.
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Normally I'd pick Finn everyday of the week(has the potential to be the best bowler of his generation) but in this rare I'd have gone for Ball. He was impressive on debut.
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Might go weather for Birmingham looking excellent from Friday
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Not sure I agree with Finn playing time away again might help him, says that I would have gone for wood over ball too! Been bowling quick for Durham and has had a lions run out recently
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Finns problems started when coaches tred to change his action he's not been as prolific a wicket taker since.
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Finns problems started when coaches tred to change his action he's not been as prolific a wicket taker since.
I think England tried to stop him clipping the stumps with his knee after Greame Smith started crying after he got out once. Rather than accepting it as one of those things bowlers do( pretty sure Neil Foster of Essex used to whack the stumps a lot?) they shortened Finn's run and then the problems started.
It all melted down in Australia and he had to go home. Away from England Richard Johnson (ex Middlesex) fixed things up.So we got him to thank for getting Finn back on the right right,and big Gus Fraser.
@Seniorplayer do you remember Bob Willis having a problem with no balling, like an epidemic of it. I'm too young to remember :) :)
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Yes Carlo it was because Finn kept knocking the stumps over in his run upand batsman wanted it called no ball when he got them out.
Your right about Willis used to see him do it at edgebaston bowlers who bowl wicket to wicket you miss I hit types need to get as close as they can to the stumps prior to releasing the ball.
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Oh dear, watched Finn in the t20 blast last Friday and he bowled a load of absolute bobbins, including conceding 15 in 3 legitmate deliveries trying to defend 9 off the last over. Never been any good since he lost that 10mph somewhere, don't see it coming back for him I'm afraid.
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I thought they'd changed the laws now and clipping the wickets is actually a no ball now, so if that was the reason for coaches interfering then it was a pretty valid reason. I think recalling him is a poor choice. Ball or Wood for me.
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I thought they'd changed the laws now and clipping the wickets is actually a no ball now, so if that was the reason for coaches interfering then it was a pretty valid reason. I think recalling him is a poor choice. Ball or Wood for me.
I think they tried to change him prior to clipping the stumps becoming a no ball as I seem to remember it cost England and Finn wickets.
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we are having a bat. Can Cook and Root do it again and how and Vince and Balance going to go,
We will find out ! looks a good day to be at the ground if you have a ticket :)
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Odd decision to bowl first on a dry wicket even with the over head conditions
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I dunno, he taken a punt a bit of swing or movement and a couple of jaffas can get rid of our two big guns, and they think our middle order is weak.
Misbah has taken a gamble
I do however remember(who could forget) Pointing sticking us in in 2005 after Mcgrath fell over a ball and the rest is history. We slapped it everywhere that day :) :)
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well looks like its paid off already in the first session. Vince will probably nick off soon here too.
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well looks like its paid off already in the first session. Vince will probably nick off soon here too.
if Vince gets out nick behind im gonna smash the computer screen!!! anything else just not an edge driving. :)
Hales has had some good balls, you get those up top and Pak have quality bowlers. Don't think he's an opener thou but dont want to sound like a broken record
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What a brave decision to bowl first and play Sohail Khan.
Horrible umpiring though. Rahat is not even close to the danger zone and umpire keeps having a word with him.
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it's paying off for Misbah, he gambled and it's worked
Pak are into our tail :)
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This Bob Willis feature is great.
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Few ex players talking about mankading ballance. He does seem to be out of his crease all the time!
Chance for ali to get some important runs here
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what does everyone make of Vince? can't work out whether he just needs to work with Ramps or Bayliss to stop getting caught slips or doesn't have the mental capacity to bat long periods..... :)
Balance is a scrapper and that's (I guess) what England management see in him...sometimes you got to dig in.
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I think Vince has a good management company.
Seriously though, if you keep getting out the same way...
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Vince is all style over substance. Not good enough for Test cricket. His first class record is hardly outstanding considering he's played most his career in the second division. Get Hales down the order and get Lyth bat at the top
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50 for Ballance!! Keep fighting fella. Keep fighting
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Set up to be another good game.
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Vince is all style over substance. Not good enough for Test cricket. His first class record is hardly outstanding considering he's played most his career in the second division. Get Hales down the order and get Lyth bat at the top
Shame that Lyth also seemed to get out in the same way. If he's ironed that out, then sure.
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it's been a cracking series so far. Well done Gaz tough runs count double. Technical issues or not it's runs at the end of the day.
surprised to see on BBC text Edgbaston is a fairly low scoring ground in 1st innings recently.
not convinced on Vince i'm with @Felix Tito long term Hales to the middle and I really do think Lyth is a better option. That should send the Yorkshire contingent (england nick our players)choking on their supper.
:)
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Shame that Lyth also seemed to get out in the same way. If he's ironed that out, then sure.
Lyth did get a test ton against NZ(I think). He's a good player.....
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Fragile middle order yeah?
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Was willing Vince to get over the 50 mark today. If he doesn't in the 2nd innings and gets caught driving again, could well be the end for him
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what a way for ballance to go :( he deserved a ton there, strangled down the leg side
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Re: That Moeen review
The ball hit the glove after the pad right? I think the third umpire ballsed it up by not rolling the replay forward long enough
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James Vince is like receiving a beautiful gold watch as a gift, wearing it for an hour then taking it off to reveal a green wrist
I know Lyth got a hundy but Oz were all over him.
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what a way for ballance to go :( he deserved a ton there, strangled down the leg side
A really good knock; but out in a similar fashion to lords second dig, got too far across
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Re: That Moeen review
The ball hit the glove after the pad right? I think the third umpire ballsed it up by not rolling the replay forward long enough
I was thinking the same thing!
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I was thinking the same thing!
Glad I'm not blind, the front on angle looked like it definitely deflected off the glove.
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Sohail Khan massively improved his bowling average and strike rate today. Prior to today his average 245 and SR was 342. Roll out a michelle and they dropped to 57 average and 80 SR
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I think he is still pretty poor and has hardly improved.
Perhaps a couple of good wicket taking balls but very ordinary over all.
English batsmen played some loose shots to average deliveries - specially Joe Root ( @shax12 's chachay da puttar).
I looked him up on cricinfo and he's got some decent first class stats so he can't be a goober
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Re: That Moeen review
The ball hit the glove after the pad right? I think the third umpire ballsed it up by not rolling the replay forward long enough
I didn't notice this live but kept an eye out for it in the highlights, definitely looked that way
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I looked him up on cricinfo and he's got some decent first class stats so he can't be a goober
IMO, Pak's CURRENT first class setup is poorer and below standard than the standard of cricket played in the streets Somalia or Mogadishu.
Lots of corruption, and non-existing coaching.
Kids play cricket in streets by putting electric tape on a tennis ball. The almost non-existing public cricket grounds are so crowded that you feel like you are in downtown London in a sunny afternoon. So playing with a regular cricket ball is almost impossible.
So if you know someone in PCB or if you have money to buy a berth in first class cricket, all of a sudden you find yourself playing first class cricket with a regulation hardball.
(I think many, many, many junior level English county batsmen are better in technique and temperament than a few batsmen in Pak's test squad. Thanks to tennis/tape ball cricket)
So if you put aside Sohail Khan's domestic stats, and see how he bowls now, you will notice that he really didn't bother the batsmen.
He hardly had any game plan. A couple of his short outside the off stump balls should have been punished but instead he got a wicket.
His swing was OKish only with the new ball. Does not understand the concept of reverse swing.
And from the past, he has some serious arrogance and anger issues (plz don't confuse "anger" with "passion").
Whether he has potential? I would say yes. Does he have the attitude to show meekness and docility and LEARN more? I doubt it.
Just like a few other very ordinary Pak cricketers, Sohail Khan also thinks he is already a super star, and that's the end of the world. "No more to learn from here, I got it all"
Nonetheless, I wish him all the best!
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IMO, Pak's CURRENT first class setup is poorer and below standard than the standard of cricket played in the streets Somalia or Mogadishu.
Lots of corruption, and non-existing coaching.
Kids play cricket in streets by putting electric tape on a tennis ball. The almost non-existing public cricket grounds are so crowded that you feel like you are in downtown London in a sunny afternoon. So playing with a regular cricket ball is almost impossible.
So if you know someone in PCB or if you have money to buy a berth in first class cricket, all of a sudden you find yourself playing first class cricket with a regulation hardball.
(I think many, many, many junior level English county batsmen are better in technique and temperament than a few batsmen in Pak's test squad. Thanks to tennis/tape ball cricket)
So if you put aside Sohail Khan's domestic stats, and see how he bowls now, you will notice that he really didn't bother the batsmen.
He hardly had any game plan. A couple of his short outside the off stump balls should have been punished but instead he got a wicket.
His swing was OKish only with the new ball. Does not understand the concept of reverse swing.
And from the past, he has some serious arrogance and anger issues (plz don't confuse "anger" with "passion").
Whether he has potential? I would say yes. Does he have the attitude to show meekness and docility and LEARN more? I doubt it.
Just like a few other very ordinary Pak cricketers, Sohail Khan also thinks he is already a super star, and that's the end of the world. "No more to learn from here, I got it all"
Nonetheless, I wish him all the best!
Unfortunately that is a very unfair and blatantly wrong assessment. A bit harsh for you to say if he doesn't really have the attitude to learn more or get better. Did you even listen to his press conference after? He got back into this team by the strength of his first class performances. He didn't create the system, he can only do as well as he can in the games he does play. He has had to wait five years for this opportunity and you think he has let that go to his head after one test? Your comment on reverse swing too, he is one of the biggest reversers of the ball in the domestic scene. He is trying to adjust to bowling with a different ball in England.
I agree with you that the first class structure in Pakistan is much poorer in terms of infrastructure and merit based national selection - however, there is talent and hard working determined cricketers there. Your generalizations of how they get into the team is what perpetuates a negative image of them.
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lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Hafeez
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JIMMY!!!!!
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(No Swearing Please) get wickets!
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I know it's early days and probably going to curse him now but Finny is looking a bit more like his usual self, probably a little short but he looks like he's actually trying to bowl rather than just putting it there.
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lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Hafeez
Was Professor Hafeez caught lecturing his team mate again? Half HS/half SS stickered bat?
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Finny probably needs a bagful here, as Wood is currently on fire against Somerset
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That Mana in Sami hands looks amazing..
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This is tedious
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Moeen Ali bowling a load of tripe as per usual...
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Anderson throwing the toys out of the pram as usual!
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That Mana in Sami hands looks amazing..
You know, I was wondering about this bat. Good call. I looked it up on GM's site, it has a "Powerarc Bow".
Is Mana the GM bat that was designed for/by Joe Root?
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Very well batted but what on Earth was Azhar thinking?
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Aslam deserved a century - he showed a lot of grit against an experienced bowling attack.
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Anderson throwing the toys out of the pram as usual!
Have to admit - that slow motion replay of Anderson scowling, while Azar does push ups behind him was kinda funny
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what has happened to younus though :/
well played aslam and azhar now hes got to his first ton outside asia
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If Jimmy gets called for his follow-through again, expect fireworks.
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Wow. Umpire (Oxenford?) refused to hand Anderson his sweater, walked to the pitch to point out the stepping violation (second) to Anderson and Cook. Then camera pans to a discussion between Anderson and Cook in the slips and Cook did not look pleased. An experienced guy shouldn't have a melt down while the team is trying to claw out of a tight spot. They mentioned him in an espncricinfo article as an old, steady hand. :D
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If Jimmy gets called for his follow-through again, expect fireworks.
Ump is pretty ticked off with Anderson too. Did you see where he refused to hand him his sweater? Sheesh.
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Anderson's behaviour right now is pretty pathetic!
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well played Pakistan, they bowled well yesterday and are now ahead of the game. Bit old fashioned batting but it's good to see. The series goes one way then the other....
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and are now ahead of the game.
Whilst looking like they're heading that way, something about counting chickens....
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I would prefer a series which swings like pendulum rather than one-sided ones. Well played Pakistan ... go push for a 400+ total ....
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Whilst looking like they're heading that way, something about counting chickens....
to be honest watched the highlights last night, it moved around a bit, swung a it, I thought 300 was a decent score...
Pakistan you would think are trying to bat past us regardless of how long it takes and if it spins Yasir could be in the game.
it's a cracking series so far, how often do we see boring matches when one side is way on top?
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to be honest watched the highlights last night, it moved around a bit, swung a it, I thought 300 was a decent score...
Pakistan you would think are trying to bat past us regardless of how long it takes and if it spins Yasir could be in the game.
it's a cracking series so far, how often do we see boring matches when one side is way on top?
Pakistan bowled well yesterday. Pakistani batsmen love these kind of slow pitches it suits them.
I think England bowlers Anderson and Broad bowled too short on a good length in first spell with new ball. They should have been bowling fuller to swing it. They tried to hit a length just like Sohail Khan was doing yesterday but you bowl to your strengths.
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it's a cracking series so far
Unbelievable series. Love the swings back and fOrth. High quality cricket.
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Unbelievable series. Love the swings back and fOrth. High quality cricket.
*doffs Yorkshire accent*
"It's proper cricket this! None of that slap & tickle in pyjamas!"
It is an exciting series, frustrating all games could be won and it end in a draw!
How many runs do Pakistan need for a 1st innings lead to feel confident batting last on this wicket? 75+ and my money would be in their favour.
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England are still in this if thay can get 4 quick wickets tomorrow morning and keep Pakistans lead down to around 80 or less batting last at Edgebaston on day 5 won't be easy for Pakistan but of course England will need to get a second innings score .
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Looking forward to watching the 3rd day tomorrow could be in for a great day if England can pick up a few early wickets then bat long,
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England are still in this if thay can get 4 quick wickets tomorrow morning and keep Pakistans lead down to around 80 or less batting last at Edgebaston on day 5 won't be easy for Pakistan but of course England will need to get a second innings score .
Looks like Pakistan just gave it away. That last ball wicket was crucial!
I won't be surprised if they fall like flies tomorrow.
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Some smart glovework from YJB there...
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So yasir shah run out with yjb taking he nails off with his elbow with ball in hand, what's a law regarding this I was always under the illusion it had to be the hands that removed the bails but of course I am probably wrong on this evidence?
Also lead of 70 England on a mini charge, not out of danger and will need to bat well but game on?
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So yasir shah run out with yjb taking he nails off with his elbow with ball in hand, what's a law regarding this I was always under the illusion it had to be the hands that removed the bails but of course I am probably wrong on this evidence?
Also lead of 70 England on a mini charge, not out of danger and will need to bat well but game on?
Law 28(a)(v) "The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground ... by a fielder with his hand or arm, providing that the ball is held in the hand or hands so used, or in the hand of the arm so used."
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Haha Anderson.
About time umpires pinged him
Side note, I see Taylor from glos has been cleared of chucking again.. Hopefully he'll be consistently called again because there shouldn't be a place for it in the game
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In fairness @ProCricketer1982 I've seen a fair bit of glos training lately and Taylor has definitely changed his action, he's bowled a lot of overs with Dawson over the past few months clearly working on keep it straight. So I'd say hopefully he won't chuck it anymore when he gets into games!
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In fairness @ProCricketer1982 I've seen a fair bit of glos training lately and Taylor has definitely changed his action, he's bowled a lot of overs with Dawson over the past few months clearly working on keep it straight. So I'd say hopefully he won't chuck it anymore when he gets into games!
Hope you're right fella, certainly watch him when glos are on tv
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103 lead for Pakistan and they have been very good in this match.
Time for our batsmen to stand up under pressure. Anyone got that sinking feeling already :(
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103 lead for Pakistan and they have been very good in this match.
Time for our batsmen to stand up under pressure. Anyone got that sinking feeling already :(
Pitch is flat so no excuse not too really, even players like hales, vince and moeen should be able to cash in
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Haha Anderson.
About time umpires pinged him
Side note, I see Taylor from glos has been cleared of chucking again.. Hopefully he'll be consistently called again because there shouldn't be a place for it in the game
Fair point regarding Anderson but I can't help feel it's slightly harsh given Wahab Rahat and co got away with it at lords! Definitely a few occasions they ran down the pitch on two warnings and nothing else given....
Got to be fair to both sides after all
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Fair point regarding Anderson but I can't help feel it's slightly harsh given Wahab Rahat and co got away with it at lords! Definitely a few occasions they ran down the pitch on two warnings and nothing else given....
Got to be fair to both sides after all
As sky pointed out, he's done it for years and rarely been called so maybe umpires should watch him closely from now on (and of course all bowlers).
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i agree with him being called for it, its the lack of call to the others previous then this that irks me, its got to be consistent and fair throughout world cricket
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@alexhilly1492 the umpires were beyond strict with the pak bowling in the first innings too, Amir was pulled aside on so many occasions and skysports showed he wasnt even landing near the "danger zone".
Umpires are a joke more often than not. Want to rule the roost with things like this but cant / wont give simple no balls, just wait to check at the fall of a wicket.
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for what's it's worth I agree with @dcullen8
what's the big deal? a couple of times both sides have been in the danger zone. It's not all the time and it's very hard to veer off if you bowl close to the stumps.
who are the umpires protecting? the batsmen?
why? :)
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Definitely one of those issues that the nice caring batsmen think is a disgrace, get those big boots off the pitch.
On the other hand the horrible evil Bowlers think this is a non issue and that the umpire should be getting ready to give the poor unassuming batsman out.
Much harder being a batsman these days in my view...
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Did anyone else see George dobell talking about a change in the lbw laws he thinks should happen ? I'm a useless batsmen but actually think it'd be worth doing. Basically where the ball pitches or hits doesn't matter, simply 'will it hit the stumps'. He did say keep pitching outside leg the same to prevent negative bowling
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my main point is being fair one way or the other, and that has to be throughout the series rather than just each game
I cant comment on the previous instances as this is the only day i have managed to see
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Cook goes past KP as leading international run scorer.
Am rather pleased about that. Can't stand that Kevin chap
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Cook goes past KP as leading international run scorer.
Am rather pleased about that. Can't stand that Kevin chap
sure KP is raising a glass to Captain Cook as we speak :o
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Cut shots of pure beauty
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ummmmmm....correct me if i'm wrong please but Hales was supposed to be the get on with it one and Cook a cross between Boycott and Tavare on a slow day.
must be like waking up one day to find your wife is wearing the trousers...which you didn't expect when you started to go out with each other :)
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Fair point regarding Anderson but I can't help feel it's slightly harsh given Wahab Rahat and co got away with it at lords! Definitely a few occasions they ran down the pitch on two warnings and nothing else given....
Got to be fair to both sides after all
The commentators were explaining that England brought the issue up at Lords...and since then the umpires have been brutal on both sides. Amir, Rahat etc got the same verbal warnings that Jimmy did - that's why they've started going wide.
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Interesting one that may irk our resident boycott.
Does hales score to slow??
I ask as its not the first innings recently where holes has be going nowhere with the score, yet, captain cook seems to be going at a steady lick instead.
I'm sure hales was touted as our next Warner, but as that didn't work but he wants to stay there, anyone else think he's putting pressure on cook to actually get on with it??
Don't currently mind cook scoring fast as runs are coming, just worry if he has a quote patch he'll be nicking off looking to score while held is on 0 at the other end for 20 overs.
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Jason Roy in fine form at the moment....
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Jason Roy in fine form at the moment....
very average first class record though, he might have matured a bit but I can see him coming in and doing the same as Vince
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Jason Roy in fine form at the moment....
Not at county this year
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if you want a clue how Roy would do in tests just look at Hales. Credit to Hales, he is learning. You just can't go on and whack quality bowlers back over their heads.
Warner is a class above any England 'stroke-player' and a tremendously talented player...
Hales is far more careful in how he is playing.
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Man...What a series! This test is headed for a thrilling end, and whoever loses is going to go for broke in the final test. Great advertisement for Test cricket
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Interesting one that may irk our resident boycott.
Does hales score to slow??
I ask as its not the first innings recently where holes has be going nowhere with the score, yet, captain cook seems to be going at a steady lick instead.
I'm sure hales was touted as our next Warner, but as that didn't work but he wants to stay there, anyone else think he's putting pressure on cook to actually get on with it??
Don't currently mind cook scoring fast as runs are coming, just worry if he has a quote patch he'll be nicking off looking to score while held is on 0 at the other end for 20 overs.
Hales is trying tbf to him, he's trying to be cautious etc. Problem is, there is a difference between opening and being a blocker/hitter. Hales seems to be someone struggling to be anything but each end of the spectrum. I don't know many proper openers who simply block, most are looking to score but just don't play risky shots. Hitters are just that, prepared to throw the bat, and this tyoe seem to me massively predominant now from what I can see. Basically a middle order hitter.
Cook for some reason still isn't getting bowled the ball into his poor area. Everyone knows where to bowl to cook but no one seems to have the bowlers with any control. Meaning he gets loads of crap to feast on.
Hales isn't a test batsmen though and never will be. He is trying though to give him credit
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Batted, Chef
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Given how flat the pitch seems, is a draw on the cards?? Surely worth a small bet?
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Draw is only 2.1 now so no value in it.
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Highest successful chase at Edgbaston (I think) is 283...
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An opening partnership of 100. What?
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Pakistanis lead is no more. Ten wickets left! Didn't see that coming.
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Pakistanis lead is no more. Ten wickets left! Didn't see that coming.
Batting fourth on this wicket? I will be surprised if Pakistan can chase anything over 220.
Sohail Khan being the most expensive so far - not surprised.
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Hope England make a bold declaration at some point tomorrow rather than forcing Pakistan's hands to block out for the draw.
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Reckon England will be looking for 300 runs a lead of 200 should be enough to win with a declaration tomorrow with around 20 overs left to bowl in the day .
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A sprinkling of rain tomorrow would certainly juice things up
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Warm sunny day with cloud cover for edgebaston tomorrow
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Reckon England will be looking for 300 runs a lead of 200 should be enough to win with a declaration tomorrow with around 20 overs left to bowl in the day .
that would be VERY brave. think 300 needed at minimum - so pak has no option but to play for a draw
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that would be VERY brave. think 300 needed at minimum - so pak has no option but to play for a draw
Yes 300 200 run lead wicket has started to turn its going to be difficult to bat on day 5.
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The way Cook is going we will have 300 by lunch and he will be in the phone to Morgan about the one day series !!
Seriously pitches these days are made for sponsors. It would be nice to see just some of them deteriorate to get results
Even if it down go up and down some turn makes a more interesting game. I don't really get it to be honest, in club cricket all it needs to turn is to be dry..
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The way Cook is going we will have 300 by lunch and he will be in the phone to Morgan about the one day series !!
Seriously pitches these days are made for sponsors. It would be nice to see just some of them deteriorate to get results
Even if it down go up and down some turn makes a more interesting game. I don't really get it to be honest, in club cricket all it needs to turn is to be dry..
So many factors can affect performance.. Most club wickets use cheap loam.. Layer it up year on year etc, never do the drilling necessary to break it down post season and all that jazz
Plus, what normal club cricketers call roads are probably green seamers to pro bowlers. So a club wicket that's turning would probably be a minefield with warne/murali bowling etc.
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that would be VERY brave. think 300 needed at minimum - so pak has no option but to play for a draw
Misbah's all time favorite outcome of a match. ^^^
He is always more scared of defeat than having the belly fire to win - so draw is what he absolutely loves to have regardless of how close to victory Pak team is.
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Which is what Cook is like, playing it safe. Imagine he'll want at least 300 before even considering declaring...
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Was at the game today and what a great day to watch, watching cook bat was class and he just nails that cut shot every time; such a cracking sound off the bat as well just awesome. Hales was ok got going a bit better in the late evening but just needs that first test ton so he feels like he belongs then I think we will see a more aggressive but defencivmy tight Hales
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How good is England's slip corden do we reckon? I haven't got the stats but they seem to drop a surprising amount , probably around like 35% dropped wouldn't surprise me
For me cook always looks so tense whenever taking a catch at slip
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How good is England's slip corden do we reckon? I haven't got the stats but they seem to drop a surprising amount , probably around like 35% dropped wouldn't surprise me
For me cook always looks so tense whenever taking a catch at slip
And to think, a few years ago, you would've laughed at the thought of England dropping more catches than Pakistan during a match.
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I believe i saw we drop around 28% of catches, the best teams were around 20-21% if my memory serves me right
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I believe i saw we drop around 28% of catches, the best teams were around 20-21% if my memory serves me right
That still seems a high number, that would mean the "best" teams drop one in five.
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Very good comeback by England ! Two more days to go ... lets see if we can get a result ....
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@WalkingWicket37 sky sports had the stats up at somepoint during the test, but i dont think they were too far away from that.
Can only imagine our numbers would be lower with a proper glovesman and keeping stokes fit
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Which is what Cook is like, playing it safe. Imagine he'll want at least 300 before even considering declaring...
Bob Willis thinks draw most likely outcome.
Unless eng score at 5 an over (in which case they can declare around Tea), they may not have enough time to bowl pak out.
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Misbah's all time favorite outcome of a match. ^^^
He is always more scared of defeat than having the belly fire to win - so draw is what he absolutely loves to have regardless of how close to victory Pak team is.
The man is a legend. If he wins this series (yes, it's a big if), his team will be ranked 1. And that will be one of the more remarkable turnarounds in the sport - especially given all the crap he has had to deal with, and given his age.
I am pretty sure most of England will be happy for him, if that is indeed the case.
Anyway, no interest in stirring up another pointless debate (haters gotta hate, trolls gotta troll)...looking forward to more excellent test match cricket.
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The Saturday debate should be interesting, current world 11. Athers side with no AbD??
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The Saturday debate should be interesting, current world 11. Athers side with no AbD??
I don't like where this is going...
Nobody has mentioned Woakes in the all rounder slot...
I know he's only been hot for a few months, but right now? I think he's better than Stokes. Almost as talented with the bat, but much more consistent with the ball.
Lots of talk about Ashwin's 100's on home pitches in dead matches...
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Amazing that Williamson was not selected! Runs in all conditions.
Kohli as captain??
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The man is a legend. If he wins this series (yes, it's a big if), his team will be ranked 1. And that will be one of the more remarkable turnarounds in the sport - especially given all the crap he has had to deal with, and given his age.
I am pretty sure most of England will be happy for him, if that is indeed the case.
Anyway, no interest in stirring up another pointless debate (haters gotta hate, trolls gotta troll)...looking forward to more excellent test match cricket.
Worth remembering as the Aussies are getting mullered by Sri Lanka, Pakistan are playing here in just as alien conditions. They don't tour here very often and have played a huge amount of cricket in the uae.
On whatever league table there is for test cricket away wins surely count for more?
Pakistan have been excellent here and misbah is a credit to them.
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Right. Feel free to shoot me down, but I'm sticking my head above the parapet.
1. Warner
2. Cook (c)
3. Smith
4. Root
5. Kohli
6. AB De Villiers (wk)
7. Woakes
8. Yasir
9. Starc
10. Broad
11. Rabada
English conditions.
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Misbah's all time favorite outcome of a match. ^^^
He is always more scared of defeat than having the belly fire to win - so draw is what he absolutely loves to have regardless of how close to victory Pak team is.
(http://i.imgur.com/HIjpcO2.gif)
What a load of crap.
Under Misbah Pakistan have scored 382 in the 4th innings to win in Sri Lanka and chased 302 in 50-odd overs in the 4th innings but nah, he doesn't have a desire to win.
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Cook
Warner
Williamson
Root
De Villiers
Stokes
Watling
Woakes
Yasir
Rabada
Starc (not entirely happy with this but lefty and can't think of a better option right now)
Kohli has no place in a world test xi and De Villiers isn't a keeper. QDK or Sarfraz both in with a shout of keeper with Watling.
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Cook
Warner
Williamson
Root
De Villiers
Stokes
Watling
Woakes
Yasir
Rabada
Starc (not entirely happy with this but lefty and can't think of a better option right now)
Kohli has no place in a world test xi and De Villiers isn't a keeper. QDK or Sarfraz both in with a shout of keeper with Watling.
Kohli and Williamson would probably be the first two batsmen selected. They score most of their hundreds in foreign conditions. Iirc both have scored 9 hundreds away from home.
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Kinda daft shot from Root but sweeping Yasir at that point was mildly successful. Hope the middle order can rack up some quick runs here.
Fascinating match regardless, can't beat a game that goes 5 days
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Hard to decide if it's worth sticking with Vince after that, probably deserves the final test I guess, keen to see Duckett involved soon though, been in unbelievable form.
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James Vince once again caught in the cordon. This fella isn't up to Test cricket.
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James Vince once again caught in the cordon. This fella isn't up to Test cricket.
he is the Hafeez of english cricket - pretty shots...and then gets out fending outside off. Those shots are indeed quite pretty though...
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Some of the umpiring on these wides has been extremely generous
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I thought there was a law on negative bowling to stop teams seemingly playing for draws?
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I thought there was a law on negative bowling to stop teams seemingly playing for draws?
Thought that was based on leg side bowling. Nothing to stop a team bowling 3ft outside off peg with a heavy off side field.
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Yasir Shah is quickly going to become the next Ajantha Mendis. There's no mystery to his bowling. He must've cashed in to beginners luck as he's looking increasingly more and more average as this series reaches its climate.
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Good batting from YJB and Moeen today. Also shuts up the idea of a 4 day test match...
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Yasir Shah is quickly going to become the next Ajantha Mendis. There's no mystery to his bowling. He must've cashed in to beginners luck as he's looking increasingly more and more average as this series reaches its climate.
Misbah is bowling him into the ground...
Hardly spin friendly wickets either.
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Really disappointed we didn't get a couple of overs in against them this evening. They've struggled to go at 3s all tour, would have taken Pakistan a Herculean effort. So much for an attacking approach to cricket when we've basically accepted the draw.
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Odd question, has anyone ever wondered why cooky and YJB wear steel grill lids? Everyone seems to moan about wanting lighter lids and these turn down the titanium XRD for the regular steel lid.
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I've not wondered this. Maybe they've not really noticed a difference and use what they're given?
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I thought Gray Nics only did steel grilles, and as they (and hales) are sponsored by Gray Nics, those are the helmets they get given
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Seems a bit daft players can't choose their own helmets
With all the focus on safety at the moment it doesn't seem right that a player can be shoehorned into using a certain brand, they should wear what they feel most comfortable in, as long as it abides with the current safety regs
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Hales has the top of the range XRD helmet, you can see its a shiny grill (although im not sure its actually titanium now) compared to YJB and Cooks dull grey "Test Opener" which appears to be their midrange option. Just wondered why a pro wouldnt take the top of the range model thats all.
I remember early on Cook having a masuri but not for long & totally agree a player should have free reign when picking safety features such as lids / thigh pads if theyre within regulations.
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Don't really think that's a fair argument.
I remember earlier in the year, Cook was quite adamant about using the old style Gray-Nics helmet, in spite of ECB regulations.
As for brands, I'm pretty certain Masuri/Shrey sponsor some players to use their helmets, how is this any different?
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GN players are mostly using the new 2017 model which has a Ti grille. It looks very similar and in the case of some players (like hales) has been modified to match the look of this years range
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Don't really think that's a fair argument.
I remember earlier in the year, Cook was quite adamant about using the old style Gray-Nics helmet, in spite of ECB regulations.
As for brands, I'm pretty certain Masuri/Shrey sponsor some players to use their helmets, how is this any different?
Well the player will choose a Shrey or Masuri sponsorship as opposed to having to use a helmet as part of another sponsorship
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Now we've got Martin Johnson of The Cricket Paper on CWOT saying the guys coming in dressed as bananas, drinking all day are putting the traditionalists off coming to the cricket... I agree people can get carried away, but these are the guys who come in and spend a fortune in the bar, bank rolling the game.
Out. Of. Touch.
Everyone should be welcome to come and watch the cricket. Best of luck filling the ground when only "Members" are allowed in.
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Now we've got Martin Johnson of The Cricket Paper on CWOT saying the guys coming in dressed as bananas, drinking all day are putting the traditionalists off coming to the cricket... I agree people can get carried away, but these are the guys who come in and spend a fortune in the bar, bank rolling the game.
Out. Of. Touch.
Everyone should be welcome to come and watch the cricket. Best of luck filling the ground when only "Members" are allowed in.
It's a hard one. Do I like seeing people dressed as bananas in the stands, beer snakes and loud mouth shouting... Sure
Would I like to have paid beyond silly money for a ticket to have such people near me?? No. It wouldn't be a family day out with the abuse and would spoil it for me.
It's all about give and take, stuffy brigade want it too Boring but the beer brigade have gone too far so somewhere in the middle
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Completely agree, but I thought all grounds had Fancy Dress, Alcohol free & Family stands like we do at headingley?
We should be catering for all requirements, if you don't want to sit with the guys in fancy dress, there's great seats at the opposite end of the ground... Although I do think they should move the family stand across the ground at headingley, I think it's a little too close to the fancy dress stand.
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Completely agree, but I thought all grounds had Fancy Dress, Alcohol free & Family stands like we do at headingley?
We should be catering for all requirements, if you don't want to sit with the guys in fancy dress, there's great seats at the opposite end of the ground... Although I do think they should move the family stand across the ground at headingley, I think it's a little too close to the fancy dress stand.
It's a balancing act but st the end of the day, the beer brigade bring in more money which is all the grounds care about. Hence them really pushing 2020's etc, perfect for beer brigade.
I don't blame them either.
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MOEEN
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MOEEN
I saw this and wondered what you were on about, then realised I'm watching the game a couple of mins behind as I paused it for a cuppa
Good shooting there!
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Not sure what we learnt from that, but atleast now we can get on with it.
Game on.
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Hafeez LOL! If he had brains he'd be dangerous
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Village !!
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Hafeez LOL! If he had brains he'd be dangerous
The irony that they call him the professor
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The irony that they call him the professor
It's because he supposedly talks a lot about the game. So they started calling him professor in jest.
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You've got to be a brave man to field close to the bat to moeen Ali, you're in the firing line a fair bit
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After 70 odd overs Finny finally gets a wicket!
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I do enjoy a good test match.
England fan through and through, but love tailender so batting to save a test. Can they last 14 more overs?
Well here comes mo!
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Nope, mo does it in less than an over!!
3% only win when conceding a 100 plus lead after first innings! England in that 3%. Come on!
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3% only win when conceding a 100 plus lead after first innings! England in that 3%. Come on!
Wonder if some of the Pakistan lot got good odds on that ;). Sorry couldn't resist :D.
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was a great day to be at edgbaston. only made the decision last night to go but well worth it
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Same 11 plus Adil and Jake Ball for the oval test
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This was a fantastic win in a proper Test match. Amazing that England have won two Tests in 18 months having conceded more than 100 1st innings runs' advantage to the opposition.
It's sad to see Moeen seem so worn down. He is a brilliant, selfless cricketer and much deserves his recognition. Smile mate!
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was a great day to be at edgbaston. only made the decision last night to go but well worth it
Same, me and the Mrs decide to stop off at Edgbaston on the way home from our holiday in the Peak District. Awesome game and some cracking weather as well.
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England finally showed some fight in this game, and great win to top it off, really enjoyed hales and cooks partnership, that was the key moment in the game for me and i think it showed us all that these two could be a decent opening pair for us, i know a lot of you have reservations about hales but this knock proved he has some mettle about him at the very least.
Now onto the oval, i wouldn't change the team too drastically unless the pitch looks as though it will turn square early then id bring rashid in for probably finn other than that the batting order is settled however i do have one worry about it especially looking forward to India in the winter is how ballance keeps getting out to yasir, caught at leg slip trying to work the ball, does he not sweep? needs to eliminate this type of dismissal sooner rather than later
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managed to burgle a ticket for Friday at the Oval, I think Pakistan are gone now they don't have the ability to bat under real pressure. It's been an absolute cracker of a series.
England are a bit stuck for the next tour, Rashid has hardly played any 5 day tests and we could take Samit Patel to Bangla and India, otherwise it's a novice spinner to make up the numbers.
England might do what we have done before, go with our best bowlers which are seamers regardless of conditions. Ali will be in maybe just the one spinner?
Don't think the Oval turns much we should be unchanged unless there's an injury.
Still don't know what to make of Vince, looks the part but that's not enough.If we do play an extra spinner on tour and stokes is fit may have to choose only one of balance/vince :)
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With regard to both balance and Vince as theres no one else from county cricket banging on the test scene door England should stick with them for the near future.
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Roy is in good form got a few county champ tons in recent weeks could bring him in to bat at 5
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A few? His first of the season was on Thursday. I really don't see him as a solution. Just play Borthwick FFS.
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I thought he hit one he week before or was that in t20?
Borthwick at 5 as an all rounder I agree with too
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If England win at the Oval and the West Indies avoid a whitewash against India, England will return to the top of the test rankings.
There are a lot of if's and buts in that admittedly, but what a turnaround that would be!
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If England win at the Oval and the West Indies avoid a whitewash against India, England will return to the top of the test rankings.
There are a lot of if's and buts in that admittedly, but what a turnaround that would be!
Loving that. let's get on the bob marley cocktails cos we got india in the winter. We couldn't win there....or could we?
:) :) :)
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If England win at the Oval and the West Indies avoid a whitewash against India, England will return to the top of the test rankings.
There are a lot of if's and buts in that admittedly, but what a turnaround that would be!
Lol, going of here and Twitter, who'd have ever thought a team with hales opening, Ballance and Vince in the middle order and Ali as our spinner would have had any chance of being world number 1!
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When you compare it to the side around 2011 they don't look like #1 at all, ha. Rankings are just stupid if we're being completely honest. Holding all the bilateral series would be neat though...
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Lol, going of here and Twitter, who'd have ever thought a team with hales opening, Ballance and Vince in the middle order and Ali as our spinner would have had any chance of being world number 1!
I think the Aussies are giving us a helping hand on the road to number 1.... :) Herath is a legend!! we don't care if he's 18 stone and can't run, put the ball in his hand and the aussies don't have a Scooby doo
they are gong down 3-0 . NO side can claim to be number 1 until they have won in Asia
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When you compare it to the side around 2011 they don't look like #1 at all, ha. Rankings are just stupid if we're being completely honest. Holding all the bilateral series would be neat though...
Surely if you hold all the bi-lateral series then you deserve to be number 1, as it implies that nobody else holds all theirs?
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I think this England side is better than we give them credit for.. To become the first side to hold all bilateral trophies is some achievement and yes we would all probably chose a different 11 but so what we have got 1 test and if all goes well we will be holders of all test trophies available to us! Come on England!!!
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Lol, going of here and Twitter, who'd have ever thought a team with hales opening, Ballance and Vince in the middle order and Ali as our spinner would have had any chance of being world number 1!
True, but once Rashid is in the team we will be the best team in history if you followed Twitter!
I am expecting a fast bouncy oval 5 day road to be prepared by the Surrey groundsman. In the past few years no groundsman has produced pitches to meet the home team requirements on order like they do at the oval.
So with that in mind (zero chance of a dust bowl like we prepare for the Aussies) my ECB source has said we will have an unchanged team (assuming Vince is ok). So Rashid's recent Yorkshire heroics will go unrewarded by the national team again...
Still going to be interesting to see who will put down a marker for the India tour this winter.
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Lol, going of here and Twitter, who'd have ever thought a team with hales opening, Ballance and Vince in the middle order and Ali as our spinner would have had any chance of being world number 1!
Of course, depends if you beloved these players are worthy of it or whether it's a sad indication of the standard of world cricket I suppose.
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Has everyone seen the nonsense the Pakistani's are saying on social media about ball tampering from the England team?
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Nope but just googled it and on you tube 'england ball tampering 3rd test 2016' the ball is being given a damn good polish on Roots trousers
Is that it? :-)
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Hahahahahaha
http://youtu.be/a2MrZPgyEGo (http://youtu.be/a2MrZPgyEGo)
Root polishing the ball on his trousers is now ball tampering. What a joke. Sore losers springs to mind.
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If you look hard enough on the net(sorry no idea how to post it in here) Anderson is shown cleaning dirt or grass out of the seam.
Far as I know you are allowed to do that so there is no issue...
Nothing doing as far as i can see
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He should be polishing it with the power of his mind...
Also, how does one "do ball tampering"? The only tampering going on here is with the English language.
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A bit desperate from the pak team tbh
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If you look hard enough on the net(sorry no idea how to post it in here) Anderson is shown cleaning dirt or grass out of the seam.
Far as I know you are allowed to do that so there is no issue...
Nothing doing as far as i can see
They are the two instances. I replied to a few on twitter saying they are shining and cleaning the ball. They are adamant Anderson and Root are tampering which is laughable.
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They are the two instances. I replied to a few on twitter saying they are shining and cleaning the ball. They are adamant Anderson and Root are tampering which is laughable.
Who are "they"? The Pak team, or random keyboard warriors?
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Who are "they"? The Pak team, or random keyboard warriors?
It's a dude called dr Nauman Niaz described as a TV anchorman....
Who has gone into overdrive and got the fans going. It's a complete storm in a teacup. Not saying we are whiter than white at all times but the players are not doing anything they shouldn't
It's because we got it to reserve a bit and the pak bowlers didn't
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Hahahahahaha
[url]http://youtu.be/a2MrZPgyEGo[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/a2MrZPgyEGo[/url])
Root polishing the ball on his trousers is now ball tampering. What a joke. Sore losers springs to mind.
is that Andrew Symonds ? ? ? ?
seems more tabloid stuff than anything. would be surprised if anyone part of their team actually believes this.
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Who are "they"? The Pak team, or random keyboard warriors?
@brokenbat They was referring to the two instances that ppc had mentioned. I wasn't using the phrase in regards to individuals. Think you've misread what I posted
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well the 'ball tampering/bit of a polish' controversy has died down back to the insignificance it was in the first place.
England are unchanged for tomorrow. You can only presume Cook does not rate Rashid as when asked about him said 'we are not 3-0 up'.
The Oval has turned in the past and weather looks fair for the match, I hope it doesn't back fire on us.
You can't imagine Mark Taylor or Allan Border when Warne was just starting being so dismissive of a potential match-winner.Yes, it is only potential but the door seems shut...maybe there's another issue who knows.
Shame....
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Rashid is gonna be under big pressure when we rock up in India(assuming the Bangladesh tour is cancelled). His confidence will be pretty low and India will probably go after him...unless Cook sees someone else as the second spinner...
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Rashid is gonna be under big pressure when we rock up in India(assuming the Bangladesh tour is cancelled). His confidence will be pretty low and India will probably go after him...unless Cook sees someone else as the second spinner...
I've heard Batty being mentioned!
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I am expecting a fast bouncy oval 5 day road to be prepared by the Surrey groundsman. In the past few years no groundsman has produced pitches to meet the home team requirements on order like they do at the oval.
So with that in mind (zero chance of a dust bowl like we prepare for the Aussies) my ECB source has said we will have an unchanged team (assuming Vince is ok). So Rashid's recent Yorkshire heroics will go unrewarded by the national team again...
Still going to be interesting to see who will put down a marker for the India tour this winter.
As I said a couple of days ago...
And if you have seen the pictures of the pitch on Twitter, it is almost as green as the Rio diving pool.
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As I said a couple of days ago...
And if you have seen the pictures of the pitch on Twitter, it is almost as green as the Rio diving pool.
well.....hav'nt seen any pics but I got an anxious feeling about this match. Pakistan have a very good record at the Oval and my gut tells me there is a twist in store in this terrific series.
:o
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The wicket will be a seamer no doubt about it and England's fragile batting backs itself to out perform the even more fragile Pakistan.
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With england 2-1 up The result will probably depend on who wins the toss and bats first
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Still not sure what Cook's thinking with having a bat first...
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Misbah wanted a bat as well....
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Why would you ever bowl first at the Oval? Last thing you want to be doing is batting last - only time the wicket actually turns is day 4/5 usually.
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I'm normally inclined to agree, but look at the green!
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Pakistan have 5 bowlers and a very long tail now. Massive pressure on their batting to with this game now.
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Still not used to Cook going at nearly a run a ball
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Can't believe you can actually give that when there's absolutely no useful camera angles
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Can't believe you can actually give that when there's absolutely no useful camera angles
I think the rule now is that the 3rd umpire has to find conclusive evidence to contradict the soft signal.
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I guess so and it's their call, but there's no other angles other than the two they had? Hales is probably punching a locker as we speak...
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I'm at work so I've not actually seen it, but the technology doesn't seem to work well for low catches even when they've got a good angle. I remember Dermot Reeve doing a demonstration a few years back showing how legitimate catches tend to look like they've gone to ground on TV.
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At least he's got plenty of time to sort out that ripped grip now... #village
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At least he's got plenty of time to sort out that ripped grip now... #village
I know, was the same during the last test. Only using one grip from the looks of it, these pros and thier thin handles.
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I guess so and it's their call, but there's no other angles other than the two they had? Hales is probably punching a locker as we speak...
Should have punched the ball wide of the fielder.
I'm at work so I've not actually seen it, but the technology doesn't seem to work well for low catches even when they've got a good angle. I remember Dermot Reeve doing a demonstration a few years back showing how legitimate catches tend to look like they've gone to ground on TV.
Yeah, the foreshortening makes virtually every low catch look like it hit the grass.
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Just seen the footage, damn being at work and not being able to watch live, and i cant see how it was given out, seemed to be a clear upward movement of the ball well before the hands.
and as i tunr on what the hell was cook doing there? root back foot punch for 4 would have been better than that half hearted pull! need a score from vince now!!
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Traditional English collapse...
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root gone... oh dear, oh dear, oh dear
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Again, still no real idea why you'd have a bat first
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Having not lost a test in at home having batted first since 2012 i can see the thinking but at 4 down this quickly it has made this choice really baffling
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Hasn't really been the pitch that's doing for people though is it.
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horrible feeling about this game before it started.
you cant predict this series!
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Classic Wahab no ball
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Ballance looks like he has no idea what is going on. First time I've watched him play. That trigger movement step of his looks ridiculous.
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They've put him out of his misery. He's probably relieved.
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Gentle welcome for Moeen
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if root and cook don't fire we are in the soup.
we need another class bat in the middle. but who?
:)
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Has there been a change in mentality from the Pakistani fast bowlers today? Amir, Sohail and Riaz have been bowling considerably quicker today than at any other point of the series.
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Hales should be at 4 and Moeen at 5 then we find yet another opening bat would be my choice for India. Hales is a decent player of spin and is more of a middle order player for me.
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Another drop by Pakistan LOL
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Becoming comical, England could be 7 down right now!
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Has there been a change in mentality from the Pakistani fast bowlers today? Amir, Sohail and Riaz have been bowling considerably quicker today than at any other point of the series.
They've put a bet on which teams quicks will have the highest average speed...
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They've put a bet on which teams quicks will have the highest average speed...
:o
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Need to move the pigeons in the cordon, far more useful
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Need to move the pigeons in the cordon, far more useful
we really should of been all out about an hour ago !!
:)
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Any one else get tired of beefy moaning? gosh every time he's on air. If its not running on the wicket, its over rates today!
So glad they are getting rid of him!
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Any one else get tired of beefy moaning? gosh every time he's on air. If its not running on the wicket, its over rates today!
So glad they are getting rid of him!
Don't insult the King of the West Country!
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Any one else get tired of beefy moaning? gosh every time he's on air. If its not running on the wicket, its over rates today!
So glad they are getting rid of him!
botham going? and gower? is this true or just newspaper talk......
someone should confiscate Nick Night's microphone I know that.
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If that's true, hope they get rid of Ramiz Raja as well. There are much better options from the sub-continent.
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Any one else get tired of beefy moaning? gosh every time he's on air. If its not running on the wicket, its over rates today!
So glad they are getting rid of him!
getting rid of Botham and Gower??
where's this come from?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3658920/Breaking-news-Sky-Sir-Ian-Botham-anchor-David-Gower-follow-broadcaster-shakes-cricket-coverage.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3658920/Breaking-news-Sky-Sir-Ian-Botham-anchor-David-Gower-follow-broadcaster-shakes-cricket-coverage.html)
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Woakes is such a player
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Great fightback by the ginge and moeen, we got away with it a bit but are back in the game.
Botham and Gower would be on the fat end of the wage bill...I quite like them both to be honest. Mark Butcher should do more if there is a shake up...then there's Nasser and Athers........don't strike me as main presenters thou......
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My Brummie brethren are putting Pakistan's bowling to the sword here
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Woakes has gone into stelth mode.
If he's not the most improved England cricketer since the year dot i'll eat my bat.
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I like Nasser and Athers a lot. Don't like Gower. I quite like Rob Key, I think he's been doing a good job.
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What a strange review.
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Speaking of reviews...
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Broad batting has seriously gotten so bad...
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Sohail Khan enjoying his second attempt at Test cricket. 11 wickets at 23. Far better than 1 wicket at 245
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Woakes has gone into stelth mode.
If he's not the most improved England cricketer since the year dot i'll eat my bat.
Bairstow maybe? Close between them as they've always been gun at county cricket
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Broad batting has seriously gotten so bad...
Changed after the broken nose
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Broad batting has seriously gotten so bad...
Second rank decision of the day. First Hales got given out when the umpire wasn't certain but still decided to stick his finger up and then you can see 2.5 stumps and swing down leg and Broad get's done. So much for benefit of the doubt for batsman. Umpires call is an absolute lottery at times, just a license to give marginal decisions. Should simply leave it with hawkeye. Let's hope it evens out.
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Bairstow maybe? Close between them as they've always been gun at county cricket
yes close indeed....Bairstow needs to improve his keeping thou if he's going to be as good as Prior/Stewart etc......to be fair to YJB Prior wasn't much good till the back end of his career.
Alex Stewart one of the most under rated cricketers in my book. He was a pretty good keeper and a quality bat.
:)
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Second rank decision of the day. First Hales got given out when the umpire wasn't certain but still decided to stick his finger up and then you can see 2.5 stumps and swing down leg and Broad get's done. So much for benefit of the doubt for batsman. Umpires call is an absolute lottery at times, just a license to give marginal decisions. Should simply leave it with hawkeye. Let's hope it evens out.
Have only seen the Hales one on a BBC clip, you can't see much. You can tell thou by the reaction of the player. Looks like that could be a shocker.
As a fielder.....if it's bounced in front of you...you know I don't care what anyone says.. simultaneous with fingers underneath yes could be some doubt....this looks a clear bounce first.
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YES MO! Only problem living next to the Oval is the TV delay when you're not there, could tell beforehand he'd absolutely clubbed it!
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Well batted mo! Nice way to get your hundred.
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so where do you bat Moeen when Stokes is back in the team?
I'd go Bairstow 6 - Mo 7 - Stokes 8
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well done Mo....brilliant stuff.
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All out for 328. Fair to say Pakistan have let England off the hook with those drops and no balls. Could have been far worse.
See a couple of wickets tonight
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I am expecting a follow-on for Pakistan.
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I am expecting a follow-on for Pakistan.
easy there, tiger
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I am expecting a follow-on for Pakistan.
Me too. Curator has been asked to produce a seamer and England aren't great at batting as today proves but they'll back Pakistan batsmen to fold even cheaper
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I'm certain we'll have a 1st innings lead, but no chance will we bowl Pakistan out for 128 - love the optimism but it's not happening
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I'm certain we'll have a 1st innings lead, but no chance will we bowl Pakistan out for 128 - love the optimism but it's not happening
Even if Pak fold for 50, Cook will never have them follow on.
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England have an enviable batting depth. They were 110 for 5 at one point.
Dropped catches in the slips...no balls...Pakistan can't afford that against England. I feel for Amir.
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England have an enviable batting depth. They were 110 for 5 at one point.
Dropped catches in the slips...no balls...Pakistan can't afford that against England. I feel for Amir.
They do have batting in depth but why when your 2-1 up and batting first bat as if it's a one dayer.
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so where do you bat Moeen when Stokes is back in the team?
I'd go Bairstow 6 - Mo 7 - Stokes 8
(No Swearing Please) no, if Stokes is playing he bats at 6, end of story. So many reasons why he needs to be there ahead of YJB and Moeen. Not to mention that both played shocking shots early today and were reprieved by no balls/drops.
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(No Swearing Please) no, if Stokes is playing he bats at 6, end of story. So many reasons why he needs to be there ahead of YJB and Moeen. Not to mention that both played shocking shots early today and were reprieved by no balls/drops.
Stokes ahead of Bairstow?? No chance, Bairstow is in the form of his life!
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Stokes ahead of Bairstow?? No chance, Bairstow is in the form of his life!
He is, and I still don't think he's quite good enough to be a genuine top 6 bat, sorry! There was a experiment with batting Stokes at 7/8 for a while, it didn't work. Especially as Bairstow is the keeper, for me he bats 7 whenever we have a genuine allrounder available.
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He is, and I still don't think he's quite good enough to be a genuine top 6 bat, sorry! There was a experiment with batting Stokes at 7/8 for a while, it didn't work. Especially as Bairstow is the keeper, for me he bats 7 whenever we have a genuine allrounder available.
Playing devils advocate you could say that batting moeen at 8 hasn't worked out look at how he's gone since he's been promoted a spot he plays a completely different game
As long as all three are there England are in good order but I'd bat Bairstow ahead of him and moeen
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Moeen batted quite nicely in the Ashes last year at 8? Also his batting is basically a distraction, he's selected as the spinner first and foremost.
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(No Swearing Please) no, if Stokes is playing he bats at 6, end of story. So many reasons why he needs to be there ahead of YJB and Moeen. Not to mention that both played shocking shots early today and were reprieved by no balls/drops.
Stokes a test match number six... Haha good joke. He's a hitter and that belongs at 7/8
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Stokes a test match number six... Haha good joke. He's a hitter and that belongs at 7/8
Might be true but batting at 6 obviously does his confidence some good, averages far more at 6 than 7/8 though, over 40 batting at 6 and about 22 at 7/8 so I don't think Bayliss/Cook would consider moving him.
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Stokes a test match number six... Haha good joke. He's a hitter and that belongs at 7/8
He should bat at 5. Definately a test match number 5.........
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We are going to the sub continent in the winter so need to get 2 spinners in
but either way I don't think moeen is a first choice spinner but his batting has shown promise so for me deserves a run as a batsmen
id have
cook
hales
rooooooooooooooot
borthwick
moeen
stokes
bairstow (can swop with stokes)
Rashid (or any spinner worthy as don't know many round county scene)
woakes
broad/finn
Anderson
id have that in all conditions as even in asia we seem to rely on our seamers so this gives us enough bowling on any surface with moeen as 2nd spinner borthwick as 3rd and root as 4th but with 4 seamers
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Cook
Hales
Root
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson.
Bat to 9, 6 bowlers of which two spinners.
Or
Cook
Lyth
Root
Kp
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Rashid
Broad/woakes
Anderson.
Bat to ten with woakes in, 3 seamers, 2 spinners, and a test proven number 4...........
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why is Woakes behind Rashid in these hypothetical teams?
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He should bat at 5. Definately a test match number 5.........
I'd be tempted to put Hales at 5 and get Stokes opening myself ;)
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Cook
Lyth
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Rashid
Broad/woakes
Anderson.
Bat to ten with woakes in, 3 seamers, 2 spinners, and a test proven number 4...........
He who must not be named. Anyone know when he qualifies for SA? Would be interesting to see if he actually goes through with it.
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He who must not be named. Anyone know when he qualifies for SA? Would be interesting to see if he actually goes through with it.
Where would he get his Proteas tattoo? Would be a hell of a cover up job over the three lions ;)
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Where would he get his Proteas tattoo? Would be a hell of a cover up job over the three lions ;)
Channel four tattoo fixer-celebrity special.
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why is Woakes behind Rashid in these hypothetical teams?
In mine as im not sure who spinner is as maybe Rashid maybe someone else but they could swap for me
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No mention of Mark Wood in any of these teams?
His pace and reverse swing could be invaluable in the sub-continent to take the pitch out of the equation
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No mention of Mark Wood in any of these teams?
His pace and reverse swing could be invaluable in the sub-continent to take the pitch out of the equation
could he last 3 tests in a row though?
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Had we not been going to Bangladesh/India. Wood would be in for Rashid in my side. But as need that extra spinner, I'd be more inclined to leave him at home to continue his fitness recovery.
If your having 3 seamers two spinners it be 3 of Anderson/broad/woakes/stokes.
We know England won't drop Anderson and broad and woakes has done enough to stay in the side and well stokes bats. So, not sure where you put wood(cough instead of Ali cough)
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You can't drop Mo, he's just made 108(for 3) to save the innings ;)
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Didn't drop him, just got a tickly throat.........
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We can't get a good angle of a soft signal wicket, but perfect shot of a fly running into Broad's eye
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We can't get a good angle of a soft signal wicket, but perfect shot of a fly running into Broad's eye
Priorities...
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would have liked to have seen hales catch that on the bounce and claim it, at least it would have been a little amusing... england need another couple before lunch while shafiq is new its the time to get him!!!
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Both sides have now dropped 12 catches each...not sure whats going on.
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13 for england....
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Not sure what Hales is doing leading the sledging having scored no runs and dropped a sitter...
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hales fined 15% of his match fee for showing dissent at his dimissal, how much more will he lose if he carries on?
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Shah should be fined a months wage for claiming that catch
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Younus Khan owes his team runs, this is his last match of the series.
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Moeen's inept bowling is helping Pakistan edge closer to our total. We need a proper spinner.
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Shah should be fined a months wage for claiming that catch
In the tone of players who sledge 'part of the game, shows competitiveness'
Utter trash of course but it's their justification and im sure shah couldn't care Less
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hales fined 15% of his match fee for showing dissent at his dimissal, how much more will he lose if he carries on?
If you carry on the ICC code charges go up from level 1(fine) all the way up to level 3(ban)
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Ali getting hit all over the park and looking as threatening as a pink fluffy cushion. Going st 5+ an over too.
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Well played Asad Shafiq! He and his team needed those runs.
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Time for the Pakistan collapse
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You're not wrong
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That was worse than Moeen at Lords.
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Knock them over with a lead of less than 60 and we'll probably see a repeat of the last test
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668 runs and 16 wickets on the first two days!
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Kids need to be encouraged to watch cricket therefore Don't agree with kids having to pay £ 30.00 today to watch this match
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Hales fined 15 percent of his match fee for remonstrating with the 3rd umpire re the catch he was out to.
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hales fined 15% of his match fee for showing dissent at his dimissal, how much more will he lose if he carries on?
The details are kinda shocking. He just waltzed into the 3rd umpires room and started up an argument. Idiot.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2016/content/story/1045195.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2016/content/story/1045195.html)
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Complete plonker
Just sums him up for me
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Complete plonker
Just sums him up for me
Have a look at this: https://twitter.com/AlexHales1/status/763796262365884420
Read the other replies underneath, Hales acted like a bit of a burke today too by the looks of things... not the best attitude for someone who has barely claimed his place in the side!
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Match is evenly poised ... I think eng and pak have cancelled each other's drops (the drops have costed each team roughly 100 runs).
Can't believe how much time is still left in the game. I would say that whoever bats the better part of day 3 (likely to be the best for batting), ends up winning.
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I was there today,burnt to a crisp under the sun.
We dropped catches and that cost us dear.hales drop was a shocker at club level let alone test standard.
As far as complaining to the third umpire yes he got a rough decision but he's not the first and wont be the last.
The impression is he has ideas above his station.
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The details are kinda shocking. He just waltzed into the 3rd umpires room and started up an argument. Idiot.
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2016/content/story/1045195.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2016/content/story/1045195.html[/url])
" Later in the session he was seen to mock Azhar Ali - Hales feigned crying - after it appeared the batsman had complained to the on-field umpires over comments made to him by the England fielders."
Wow.
I question his temperament for Test cricket. Australians would wind him like a toy! How well does he handle a fast bouncer?
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I was there today,burnt to a crisp under the sun.
We dropped catches and that cost us dear.hales drop was a shocker at club level let alone test standard.
As far as complaining to the third umpire yes he got a rough decision but he's not the first and wont be the last.
The impression is he has ideas above his station.
I was in the Peter May stand today and safe to say I was slowly roasted all day
Bit of a dull day's play all in all in the stands
Shafiq played a blinding innings that was a great 100 but other than that it was a bit boring IMO
maybe I've been spoilt by a diet of t20s after work on a Friday but for my live test experience at a ground I was left a bit underwhelmed
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I was in the Peter May stand today and safe to say I was slowly roasted all day
Bit of a dull day's play all in all in the stands
Shafiq played a blinding innings that was a great 100 but other than that it was a bit boring IMO
maybe I've been spoilt by a diet of t20s after work on a Friday but for my live test experience at a ground I was left a bit underwhelmed
wait till day 4....
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I was in peter may too.Yes...its more a throw back this series, the style we used to see.
Few people around me mentioned its slow but for me yes would like to of seen more runs but still over 330 in the day.
It looks a batting wicket and whether it spins late in the match i dont know-that aleays makes it more interesting.
Pakistans two tons were made in pretty easy fashion-its good to see just how good these guys are live
We love to of seen england bat thou...
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If the third umpire had a sense of humour he should have run on and had a dog at Hales after he dropped that sitter!
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When England get 1 more wicket Pakistan will be all out quickly.
England when batting need to remind themselves this is the last match and they are 2-1 they should bat responsiblely no rash shots play time try and ensure they can't lose.
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Either NB have given Wahab wrong stickers or he's actually using a DC580!
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Anyone else notice chunks missing from YK's bat?
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Can't see us not losing from here
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Is it just my ageing eyes or does Moeen's action look a little dodgy?
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Can't see us not losing from here
We've got Yasir Shah in our pockets. Nothing to fear about their attack
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100+ is not enough lead for Pakistan - atleast 175. Younus Khan is losing his concentration.
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I just don't see us chasing this deficit and putting on a decent score. It's England...
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When do you change your bat even it is making you runs.
Younus needs a shiny new bat . I see more tape on the bat today than yesterday. :D
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Younus brings up his 200 with another huge 6. Why is Anderson not bowling when we are getting tonked around?
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How he set that up was just masterful!
Well played, Mr. Khan!
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How he set that up was just masterful!
Well played, Mr. Khan!
I thought he was losing concentrating?? ;)
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174 lead by Pak - a few more edges by Amir and England can be put to bat.
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Nice to see Cooky get some Cricket United coloured Gray Nics stickers.
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Will Hales get some bouncers from Wahab? Will there be some crying gestures?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpv54jhXYAAEX5L.jpg)
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I hope people have been tweeting him that.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpv54jhXYAAEX5L.jpg)
This is about as embarrassing as being caught/photog'ed picking your nose with a finger two knuckles deep in the nostril.
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Cook gone. Feels like game over already
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Time for another opener in the winter
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Bit disappointed Yasir Shah didn't go to town when Hales was walking off.
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Hales got what he deserved. Act like a spoilt brat. Only give it out if you've got the talent to back it up
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Pathetic from Vince.
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Vince should be axed and never selected again. Woeful
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Vincenzo!! What have you done, bruh. He has great technique but it is a shame he can't score runs.
You have to "earn" your cover drive, so says ABD in his CricketYard videos. There is a lot of truth to that.
I got out once this season playing a pretty drive to covers like that. It was weeks ago but it still hurts. :D
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Vincenzo!! What have you done, bruh. He has great technique but it is a shame he can't score runs.
You have to "earn" your cover drive, so says ABD in his CricketYard videos. There is a lot of truth to that.
I got out once this season playing a pretty drive to covers like that. It was weeks ago but it still hurts. :D
Is his technique actually any good? He edges behind pretty much every innings
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Bit of sweet revenge by yasir to get Hales and vince. There behavior in the field was absolutely disappointing. Not winning any fans the way Bairstow and Root have. Pretty sure yasir has ended vince test career there
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Is his technique actually any good? He edges behind pretty much every innings
I think so, he just hasn't learned how to build an inning at this level.
Regarding his technique, George Dobell wrote about waching him in the nets and wrote that Vince was just wonderful to watch. I was talking to Gary Palmer (coach who fixed Alistair Cook's off stump problem) about a year ago and he mentioned Vince as a county player with great technique - this was long before Vince was picked to play for England.
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Yasir really loving life in London...running through the top order...india will be painful if we play spin like this
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England looks to be in trouble with Root gone now
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Cruel game. And find some biased comments like Pak will follow-on very amusing :D.
Now looks like England will lose by an inning. Current English batters cant play spin or seam.
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Bairstow is class and can take the game away from Pakistan.
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Bit of sweet revenge by yasir to get Hales and vince.
Why? What hat did they do?
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Bairstow is class and can take the game away from Pakistan.
"Class" play is one thing, that looks pleasing to the eye, but playing and delivering under a huge pressure, is an altogether different story.
I wish him all the best. It will be interesting if he can make Pakistan bat again in this test.
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I am expecting a follow-on for Pakistan.
Didn't realise CBF's own Pakistani 'ultra' can have his opinion sway that quickly :D
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I never said anything about pleasing to the eye. Bairstow can actually build an inning and score runs. He has already had two partnerships with Moeen. I wouldn't underestimate him.
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Bit of sweet revenge by yasir to get Hales and vince. There behavior in the field was absolutely disappointing. Not winning any fans the way Bairstow and Root have. Pretty sure yasir has ended vince test career there
Did Vince actually do anything? All I thought happened was Vince was stood in his fielding position which just happened to be between Hales and Yasir.
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Cruel game. And find some biased comments like Pak will follow-on very amusing :D.
Now looks like England will lose by an inning. Current English batters cant play spin or seam.
Except the dude that posted about the follow on is a Pakistani. So not really biased is it.
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Did Vince actually do anything? All I thought happened was Vince was stood in his fielding position which just happened to be between Hales and Yasir.
Exactly ! Does any have a screen cap of what Vince did ? I saw only Hales doing something ...
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We should appreciate just how good a series this has been. Both sides are supremely talented, but flawed....and a hard fought 2-2 scoreline will be a fair reflection of the contest.
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Except the dude that posted about the follow on is a Pakistani. So not really biased is it.
I think his fellow countrymen will gladly send him over to the other camp ;) ... self-trolling is the worst
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Current English batters cant play spin or seam.
Have you actually been watching the series? Or just one session?
Clueless
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Ive enjoyed watching this series. My enjoyment was lifted even more when I saw how England were carrying on (Hales). I seriously don't know how you can sledge with the series he has had. Aussies would've/will destroy(ed) him.
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Let's have some sensible comments on this series please.surely everyone knows these teams are evenly matched and when it's flat and hot Pakistan feel at home. They have been excellent on this tour and if they win today it will be thoroughly deserved.
England have this problem in the batting and it won't go away until we solve it.
Really really disappointment with the shot Vince played yesterday, you need brains to bat at the highest level.
And Hales is showing himself to be a goon. He's never an opener as long as we have holes in our bottoms.
Butch said on the verdict last night Ian bell is the best number 4 in the country. Yes he has not had a good season but he has class.
It looks like England need a bit of class going forward. Ballance has got the grit we need but we have to strengthen if we want to move forward.
There is an opener at Lancashire, hameedI think who is one to watch. Very highly rated for his talent and temperament.
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Let's have some sensible comments on this series please.surely everyone knows these teams are evenly matched and when it's flat and hot Pakistan feel at home. They have been excellent on this tour and if they win today it will be thoroughly deserved.
England have this problem in the batting and it won't go away until we solve it.
Really really disappointment with the shot Vince played yesterday, you need brains to bat at the highest level.
And Hales is showing himself to be a goon. He's never an opener as long as we have holes in our bottoms.
Butch said on the verdict last night Ian bell is the best number 4 in the country. Yes he has not had a good season but he has class.
It looks like England need a bit of class going forward. Ballance has got the grit we need but we have to strengthen if we want to move forward.
There is an opener at Lancashire, hameedI think who is one to watch. Very highly rated for his talent and temperament.
Sorry but on a tour to the subcontinent Ian Bell isn't going to offer anything. There's a common myth that Bell 'is s good player of spin' but in reality Bell is a woeful player of spin. His record in UAE and India is pitiful. In fact Bell's only really dominated 'spin' in home conditions when there's true bounce and minimal turn.
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Let's have some sensible comments on this series please.surely everyone knows these teams are evenly matched and when it's flat and hot Pakistan feel at home. They have been excellent on this tour and if they win today it will be thoroughly deserved.
England have this problem in the batting and it won't go away until we solve it.
Really really disappointment with the shot Vince played yesterday, you need brains to bat at the highest level.
And Hales is showing himself to be a goon. He's never an opener as long as we have holes in our bottoms.
Butch said on the verdict last night Ian bell is the best number 4 in the country. Yes he has not had a good season but he has class.
It looks like England need a bit of class going forward. Ballance has got the grit we need but we have to strengthen if we want to move forward.
There is an opener at Lancashire, hameedI think who is one to watch. Very highly rated for his talent and temperament.
Well said
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Riaz with a second official warning for running on the pitch...
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Ballance nicks off. Still trailing by over 80 runs
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Amazing cricket!!! Just turned the tv on and two wickets fall in Wahab's over. Wow!
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Scores level. Good job England.
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I lost it at Broad hitting it out of the middle then wondering if he had a review left, he's gone beyond a parody of himself.
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Them are perilous 40.
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Didn't realise CBF's own Pakistani 'ultra' can have his opinion sway that quickly :D
There was a reason why I used the term " I am expecting", instead of saying "I am predicting". :)
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Man, I hope Yasir runs onto the field and starts making the crying gesture to Hales.
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ECB Winter Tour Team Selection, Spots Still Available Please Apply Within:-
1- Captain Cook {Pardon The Pun}
2- Hales ?
3- Root
4- ?
5- Bairstow {wk}
6- Stokes
7- Ali
8- Woakes
9- Rashid
10-Broad
11-Anderson
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No idea about who will replace Hales but I'll put Hameed's name in there even though I've never seen him play.
Cook
Hameed
Root
Ballance (Although my heart says Bell)
Bairstow (wk)
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Other possibility is to take the gloves off Bairstow
Chef
Hameed
Root
Bairstow
Moeen
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
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A few batsmen being shown up as most sensible people already knew they weren't upto it. Sadly people still defend white ball players
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Ok will say it one last time - superb series. In 3 out of 4 games, the outcome was uncertain till the very end. Wish there was a 5th test!
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5th TEST would've reduced the beauty of this series.
Can't get any better than this.
Great play Pakistan - Great Play England. 'Cricket' is the winner at the end!
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Ok will say it one last time - superb series. In 3 out of 4 games, the outcome was uncertain till the very end. Wish there was a 5th test!
2-2 is fair. Pakistan are away and played a lot better on flat decks in London. We had the advantage on moving wickets-as we usually do. When it's flat we need something extra in the bowling or batsmen to go big.
But let's not blame our bowlers yet again. We need to sort out our batting. Way too much on root and cook, thank fully YJB has kept up his form.
I think myself England will make some changes. It's prob too late for bell and nick Compton (131 for middx today) which I think is a shame.
Looking to the middle order and opening position is not easy. Bell Drummond, Lyth,Robson prob in with a shout...
But the series has been great.prob one for the purists of which I am one :)
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Excellent series 2-2 is a fair result.
Think Misbaq will retire...Won't do his health much good facing Starc at his age.._
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As a side note haven't Pakistan represented themselves well on and off the field, unlike a few England players who have chucked the toys out of the prams. Great effort
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The way Englands top order batted on day one cost them this match and a series win and there catching didn't help.
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Exciting cricket. I enjoyed the series.
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Good comeback by Pakistan to level the series 2-2 and once again the role of Cook's opening partner is up for grabs. May be giving Roy a shot might help considering their next tour is in the subcontinent.
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Great series!
I will lean towards Pakistan and say that they showed a lot of grit to come back and level the series. Despite criticism lobbed on the England team, they are a very strong international side. And, kudos to Pakistan team to win two test matches in an away competition in England. If you can beat England, Australia or South Africa in their home conditions, you deserve to be ranked number 1 Test side in the world. Pakistan came close: they drew the series and not in non-result/drawn games but actual win-loss games. That sums it up for me. Misbah and co should hold their heads high and cherish this feat.
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Man, I hope Yasir runs onto the field and starts making the crying gesture to Hales.
Australians would love to have Hales play against them.
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So Roy, yet another white ball hitter is being talked up as suddenly test quality.... Have you learnt nothing from hales and co??
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An excellent series and a fair result. From England's point of view you can't expect to win against good teams if you drop so many catches and have so many batsmen not scoring.
Slightly frustrated that team selection for the series was so unimaginative - it's good to give people a chance to perform, but now we have to pick a touring side and include players with no test experience. Vince surely can't be picked again and can England really tour Asia with Moeen as their front-line spinner? At least if Rashid had been given a few games they would have something solid to base their selections on.
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To some extent England have themselves to blame for Hales predicament he's not an opener never was he's a hitter you could see in this match as an opener he couldnt work out if he should hit or block.
As for Vince playing that inside out shot to get out in England's second innings in the situation England was in was poor it proved he lacks the temperament needed for test cricket.
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I think Vince's problems stem for playing in the second division for pretty much his entire domestic career. He looks pretty at the crease and is obsessed with the in to out cover drive. Whilst it's a hard shot, feasting on 70mph military medium on div2 probably built Vince a false sense of security.
Just look at James Taylor he was a run machine for Leicestershire but when he moved to Nottinghamshire it took him a couple seasons to adjust to facing superior bowlers.
If Vince has any serious ambitions of having a long Test career he needs to move to a div1 side to improve his game.
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I think Vince's problems stem for playing in the second division for pretty much his entire domestic career. He looks pretty at the crease and is obsessed with the in to out cover drive. Whilst it's a hard shot, feasting on 70mph military medium on div2 probably built Vince a false sense of security.
Just look at James Taylor he was a run machine for Leicestershire but when he moved to Nottinghamshire it took him a couple seasons to adjust to facing superior bowlers.
If Vince has any serious ambitions of having a long Test career he needs to move to a div1 side to improve his game.
Last time I checked Hampshire were a Div 1 side (although not for much longer...)
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Last time I checked Hampshire were a Div 1 side (although not for much longer...)
I meant one of the teams that usually plays div1 all time. Hampshire are a yoyo side.
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Vince has been dropped from the ODI squad.
As a Hampshire fan, I can now honestly say he's more suited to the shorter format. Would have made runs in this series!
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if they have dropped him from one dayers too they don't like what they see clearly.
Time to go back and work on his game. He's a good player but at top level he needs to improve.
If there was ever any doubt the jump from county to test cricket I think we are seeing it after the Pakistan series.
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Pakistan should drop Hafeez from their ODI squad.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp-NqlFXYAARJc4.jpg:large)
Me likey. If that team doesn't embody the spirit of BAT DEEP then I don't know what does...
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Would like to of seen us have duckett and DBD of Kent in the squad to have a look at them
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Disappointed not to see one of Duckett and Bell-Drummond in there after their scores for the Lions and counties this summer. Deserved a selection for one of them.
Edit @ppccopener beats me to it
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Malan too! Glad to see mark wood back though
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Disappointed not to see one of Duckett and Bell-Drummond in there after their scores for the Lions and counties this summer. Deserved a selection for one of them.
Edit @ppccopener beats me to it
both these guys very highly rated thru the Lions. The goon(hales) could of made way for one of them.
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As far as ODI/T20 is concerned I see no need for Hales to be dropped right now. Him and Roy have a pretty good thing going.
If one of those three guys was going to play it'd have been at the expense of resting Root which I'm surprised they haven't done.
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Dawson is in again..not seen much of him, don't know if he is an out and out spinner or a batsman who can bowl spin...but England do need options for the bangla/india tour.
wonder if they are considering him with mo and Rashid?
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If anything I don't see this side as a prep for white ball games over the winter, barring any freak injuries this is most likely the sort of team we'll see at the Champions Trophy.
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If anything I don't see this side as a prep for white ball games over the winter, barring any freak injuries this is most likely the sort of team we'll see at the Champions Trophy.
Fully agree - personally I'd rather see Ansari get the nod ahead of Dawson for the Winter series'
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Well plunkett and Roy don't look too happy do they?
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Dawson is in again..not seen much of him, don't know if he is an out and out spinner or a batsman who can bowl spin...but England do need options for the bangla/india tour.
wonder if they are considering him with mo and Rashid?
I think Dawson impressed in his last ODI / T20, and he gets a bit of drift and dip - not sure how much he turns it, but the bits I saw of him, I liked. Good to see an SLA around the squad again.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp-NqlFXYAARJc4.jpg:large)
Me likey. If that team doesn't embody the spirit of BAT DEEP then I don't know what does...
why does Plunkett look so unhappy? Lol
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Good Ol' CJ.
He can't believe he's been picked either.
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I still don't understand how he bats as high up as he does with an ODI average of 11 over both Willey and Plunkett
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp-NqlFXYAARJc4.jpg:large
Me likey. If that team doesn't embody the spirit of BAT DEEP then I don't know what does...
Well, it helps when you've got 15 players.
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Bat deep factoid - Wood is the only bloke in the squad without at least one first class ton.
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Nick Compton could be a tv presenter for the upcoming ODI series.
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Nick Compton could be a tv presenter for the upcoming ODI series.
Presented the IRE vs PAK game didn't he, did you see it? Any good or is he another shocker?
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I saw it and he was fine - no gaffes, no mistakes. That's all he had to do really, just ask some questions and say a few nice things. I'd say it takes a few years of experience to becomes Athers, Bumble, or Nasser.
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He's looked fairly decent when in the studio doing a minorish game, so too Ed Joyce. I liked that with Rob Key when he first started doing county games, he was still playing now freshly retired meaning he's bringing fresh up to date views to the table.
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As long as their are readily available reflective surfaces he'll be fine.
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Who would you pick for the ODI team?
Roy
Hales
Buttler (w)
Morgan
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Willey
Woakes
Dawson
Wood
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I'd like to see this personally:
Roy
Hales
Root
Morgan
Buttler (w)
Stokes
Moeen
Bairstow
Woakes
Willey
Wood
Although Chris Jordan is no doubt going to find his way in there somehow :(
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This is a big series for Morgan. He needs to score runs.
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This is a big series for Morgan. He needs to score runs.
Sadly he's the first player I think most would be dropping from their teams! Just so much competition for places now
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If Pakistan jettisons the boat-anchor that is Hafeez, their ODI future stands a good chance against strong teams.
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Who would you pick for the ODI team?
Roy
Hales
Buttler (w)
Morgan
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Willey
Woakes
Dawson
Wood
Daws at 10? That's a hell of a batting line up!
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Daws at 10? That's a hell of a batting line up!
I hear no complaints about my team though
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Who would you pick for the ODI team?
Roy
Hales
Buttler (w)
Morgan
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Willey
Woakes
Dawson
Wood
Root is the premier player and would be wasted at 5. Rashid has done nothing wrong be lose his place either.
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Where would you fit Root in? I think in the case of ODIs Buttler Roy and Hales are much more of a hit in the power play with Morgan where he always is... Dawson i see as a better batsman and equal bowler imo
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Where would you fit Root in? I think in the case of ODIs Buttler Roy and Hales are much more of a hit in the power play with Morgan where he always is... Dawson i see as a better batsman and equal bowler imo
A team isn't about picking 11 batsmen... Batsmen bat, bowlers bowl. Yes there will be the odd all rounder. If we are relying on the number 10 to score runs, we ain't gonna be challenging the top sides for the major championships.
And Root bats 3, just like the likes of Kohli, Smith and Williamson
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I didnt pick 11 batman, i picked 2 bowlers 3 all rounders 5 batsman, in a batsmans game (as proved by the consistant 350+ scores) quality = qauntity in this case.
As for root, swap him with buttler and you still have a great line up. I would just like to see a destructive batsman who in form can perform just as well as ABV bat for as long as possible
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If the moves around, unlikely given the late summer heatwave, Buttler will be exposed. I've seen first hand his issues when it's swinging around. And I don't think anyone is comparable to de Villiers.
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Where would you fit Root in? I think in the case of ODIs Buttler Roy and Hales are much more of a hit in the power play with Morgan where he always is... Dawson i see as a better batsman and equal bowler imo
Wait. Did you just say Dawson is a better batsmen the root?
Root currently ranked 2nd in tests, 7th in odis and 5th in t20's. And you say Dawson is a better bat?
Hales, Roy buttler have all had just as many chances as root in recent tournaments yet not one is ranked above him. There is reasons for that!!
Also weres plunkett?? Dude bats and bowls, plus I think Willey will miss the first game atleast with his bruised hand.
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Wait. Did you just say Dawson is a better batsmen the root?
Root currently ranked 2nd in tests, 7th in odis and 5th in t20's. And you say Dawson is a better bat?
Hales, Roy buttler have all had just as many chances as root in recent tournaments yet not one is ranked above him. There is reasons for that!!
Also weres plunkett?? Dude bats and bowls, plus I think Willey will miss the first game atleast with his bruised hand.
I don't trust the T20 rankings - Williamson, Smith and Root are not among the best in the world at that format.
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I don't trust the T20 rankings - Williamson, Smith and Root are not among the best in the world at that format.
Out of interest who would you have ahead of Williamson and Root in the rankings that isn't already? Smith comes in well down the list at 79th by the way.
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Wait. Did you just say Dawson is a better batsmen the root?
Root currently ranked 2nd in tests, 7th in odis and 5th in t20's. And you say Dawson is a better bat?
Hales, Roy buttler have all had just as many chances as root in recent tournaments yet not one is ranked above him. There is reasons for that!!
Also weres plunkett?? Dude bats and bowls, plus I think Willey will miss the first game atleast with his bruised hand.
Think he was referring to in comparison to Rashid.
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Out of interest who would you have ahead of Williamson and Root in the rankings that isn't already? Smith comes in well down the list at 79th by the way.
I just threw Smith in their as these guys plus Kohli are always talked about together.
Morgan, Butler, Travis Head, Roy, Chris Lynn.
Faf is 4 on the list (Rubbish).
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I just threw Smith in their as these guys plus Kohli are always talked about together.
Morgan, Butler, Travis Head, Roy, Chris Lynn.
Faf is 4 on the list (Rubbish).
Head and Lynn haven't done much(if anything) at international level. Neither has kept a for a while. He cl got two golden a in the wold cup. His consistency just isn't there.
Just because someone doesn't smoke massive sixes every ball, doesn't mean they can't play t20. You can still make 80 at a sr off 150 plus by being a good batsman. Root and Williamson do this.
World t20 tournament.
http://www.icc-cricket.com/world-t20/stats/men/2016/player/most-runs (http://www.icc-cricket.com/world-t20/stats/men/2016/player/most-runs)
Root out scoring everyone on your list.
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Head and Lynn haven't done much(if anything) at international level. Neither has kept a for a while. He cl got two golden a in the wold cup. His consistency just isn't there.
Just because someone doesn't smoke massive sixes every ball, doesn't mean they can't play t20. You can still make 80 at a sr off 150 plus by being a good batsman. Root and Williamson do this.
World t20 tournament.
[url]http://www.icc-cricket.com/world-t20/stats/men/2016/player/most-runs[/url] ([url]http://www.icc-cricket.com/world-t20/stats/men/2016/player/most-runs[/url])
Root out scoring everyone on your list.
Don't get me wrong, I love Williamson but he has to open the batting or nowhere. He can't smoke the ball from the start if needed, thats why he opens.
Root is getting better but if I was picking a team Id be picking specialist batters for T20 first. Chris Lynn would be high up for me.
For T20 you need the option to be able to hit it out of the park from ball one. Root and Williamson can't do that.
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For T20 you need the option to be able to hit it out of the park from ball one. Root and Williamson can't do that.
Root has a better T20I strike rate than Kholi, AB, Martin Guptill, B Mac, Jason Roy, Alex Hales, MS Dhoni, Andre Russell and probably many more. You do not have to smoke the ball over the rope at will to score quick runs.
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Root has a better T20I strike rate than Kholi, AB, Martin Guptill, B Mac, Jason Roy, Alex Hales, MS Dhoni, Andre Russell and probably many more. You do not have to smoke the ball over the rope at will to score quick runs.
So he had one good tournament where his strike rate over a very small sample size is taken.
And I'd have all of them before Root in T20.
No but you need the option to. Root doesn't.
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Some of these XI's seem to assume that Stokes is bowling his 10 overs - is he fit to do so?
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Some of these XI's seem to assume that Stokes is bowling his 10 overs - is he fit to do so?
If not Root and Hales can make up 10 overs between them ;)
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Some of these XI's seem to assume that Stokes is bowling his 10 overs - is he fit to do so?
No he will play as a batsman only for the first game at least.
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This is a big series for Morgan. He needs to score runs.
I hope he does.
I wonder how quickly the ODI renaissance will fall apart if he is dropped. It's interesting that, in my opinion, England's better captains tend to come from outside the system.
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I hope he does.
I wonder how quickly the ODI renaissance will fall apart if he is dropped. It's interesting that, in my opinion, England's better captains tend to come from outside the system.
Don't see why we fall back into the old ways if Morgan gets chopped. Root and Buttler are both aggressive players and that would transcend into their leadership
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This forum has now peaked its selection abilities with members not having Joe Root our best player in all formats, as first pick in all formats!!
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Looking forward to see Mr. Roy have some fun today. Lovely Roy.
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So he had one good tournament where his strike rate over a very small sample size is taken.
And I'd have all of them before Root in T20.
No but you need the option to. Root doesn't.
Yep, back in.. Say...2013 root couldn't get anywhere near hat strike rate
http://m.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/current/match/566937.html (http://m.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/current/match/566937.html)
Oh wait!!!!
120 balls in t20, when was last time a team scored near 720?? Oh they don't, a good score is around 180. You need people who can build innings aswell as the big hitters, a team of big hitters on a non road will end up 60 all out.
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Yep, back in.. Say...2013 root couldn't get anywhere near hat strike rate
[url]http://m.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/current/match/566937.html[/url] ([url]http://m.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/current/match/566937.html[/url])
Oh wait!!!!
120 balls in t20, when was last time a team scored near 720?? Oh they don't, a good score is around 180. You need people who can build innings aswell as the big hitters, a team of big hitters on a non road will end up 60 all out.
I was there for that game! You saw two ways of scoring runs in T20. Finch just blasted it from ball 1 (which he put in the stands!) while Root placed the ball to perfection. While you knew Finch was going at a rate of knots, Root was raising his bat for his half century and there was a collective "how's he got that man so quick" around the stadium.
It was a strange game really. Had Finch not played the innings of his life everyone would be hailing Joe Root's efforts a great innings. Unfortunately for our Joe, earlier events meant his unbeaten 90 at nearly 2 a ball pretty much slipped under the radar (I believe this may have been his first international T20 inning too from memory)
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Don't see why we fall back into the old ways if Morgan gets chopped. Root and Buttler are both aggressive players and that would transcend into their leadership
I wouldn't be so sure. Remember Botham followed Brearley...
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I didn't say he was rubbish or not needed in a line up. Man people get way to upset about there favourites.
If I was picking an IPL team right now. I'd not have Root before the guys I mentioned. Good luck to the lad.
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Yep, back in.. Say...2013 root couldn't get anywhere near hat strike rate
[url]http://m.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/current/match/566937.html[/url] ([url]http://m.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/current/match/566937.html[/url])
Oh wait!!!!
120 balls in t20, when was last time a team scored near 720?? Oh they don't, a good score is around 180. You need people who can build innings aswell as the big hitters, a team of big hitters on a non road will end up 60 all out.
When Jade Dernbach finishes an innings with the best figures you know things haven't gone to plan
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Pak win toss and bat
Lineup is good, but then again whatever side we name is a really, really good one.
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I'd say Kohli just shades Joe Root. de Villiers is quality but has dropped off of late. Nobody else really comes close.
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I'd say Kohli just shades Joe Root. de Villiers is quality but has dropped off of late. Nobody else really comes close.
TBH Kohli and de Villiers are miles ahead of everyone. Their records are ridiculous. But the difference is Kohli is an innings builder whereas de Villiers can go nuts from ball 1
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That boat-anchor Hafeez is there! When will Pak rid themselves of his incompetence!
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What a braindead waste of a review
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What a braindead waste of a review
What is even worst is that you had the captain on other end!
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TBH Kohli and de Villiers are miles ahead of everyone. Their records are ridiculous. But the difference is Kohli is an innings builder whereas de Villiers can go nuts from ball 1
I assume you are talking about "one day" specialists and not test matchs. Until Kohli proves himself on pitches that aren't flat (England etc) then he is a very poor man's Gavaskar/Dravid/Tendulkar.. Of course he is exciting to watch on flat pitches but so is Warner,Roy, Guptill, etc, etc.
De Villiers is a better all round batsman/cricketer than Kohli. :)
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What is even worst is that you had the captain on other end!
@Cover Drive , Hafeez did a sloppy job of covering his SS (handle) sticker. Are you hearing anything on other bats?
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Anyone who's got Sky+ HD but hasn't got the sports package have a look on channel 407 as I think the cricket is on for free in HD today.
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I assume you are talking about "one day" specialists and not test matchs. Until Kohli proves himself on pitches that aren't flat (England etc) then he is a very poor man's Gavaskar/Dravid/Tendulkar.. Of course he is exciting to watch on flat pitches but so is Warner,Roy, Guptill, etc, etc.
De Villiers is a better all round batsman/cricketer than Kohli. :)
Have you seen Kohli's Test record in Australia? 8 matches, 5 100s at 62.
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I assume you are talking about "one day" specialists and not test matchs. Until Kohli proves himself on pitches that aren't flat (England etc) then he is a very poor man's Gavaskar/Dravid/Tendulkar.. Of course he is exciting to watch on flat pitches but so is Warner,Roy, Guptill, etc, etc.
De Villiers is a better all round batsman/cricketer than Kohli. :)
I'm confused here. ODIs are mostly played on flat pitches. Either way 7000 runs at 51 with 25 centuries is s mighty fine effort.
Also I didn't say Kohli was superior to de Villiers. I said those two are the benchmark in ODI cricket. Aside from those two only Amla and Dhoni had ODI averages north of 50. Elite group I'd say ;)
And final point Kohli has scored hundreds in Tests everywhere excluding England. So I doubt all pitches around the world are 'flat'
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Clubbies don't play such shots when they see a fielder patrolling the leg area. Only Hafeez.
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Clubbies don't play such shots when they see a fielder patrolling the leg area. Only Hafeez.
You love Hafeez really ;)
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:D
On the other hand, young Mr. Wood is bowling well - good pace!
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@Cover Drive , Hafeez did a sloppy job of covering his SS (handle) sticker. Are you hearing anything on other bats?
He is actually trying to protect his handle as he gets bowled a lot in nets so has to knock stumps very often ;)
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Enjoying how far back Buttler is standing. PACE.
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Terrible umpiring there
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He is actually trying to protect his handle as he gets bowled a lot in nets so has to knock stumps very often ;)
Hahahaha
You spot any Tim Keeley bats in the Pak squad?
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Terrible umpiring there
That was a big edge.
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That was a big edge.
Obviously awful, but as Holding said it's Sharjeels fault for wasting such a stupid review. How Azhar didn't just say 'please walk' is beyond me...
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^ What I heard from the commentary is that Sharjeel did not consult the batter on the other end and just waved for the review. Maybe Sharjeel has a hearing problem and did not hear the snick.
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FYI, hate to be a dampener but it's raining in Dorchester - won't be too long until it hits Southampton! (Terrible pun intended)
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Are Nick Knight and Ramiz Raja actually considered good commentators? How are they still going strong? I am watching on mute, with some music on now.
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FYI, hate to be a dampener but it's raining in Dorchester - won't be too long until it hits Southampton! (Terrible pun intended)
Raining in Portsmouth
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Superb batting effort by Pa....oh wait, it's not the '90s anymore ;)
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Hales you are crap!
Bye bye
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Already this feels like a bit of a cakewalk after Sarfraz dropping that catch
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Hales you are crap!
Bye bye
He's world class.. Avg 70 odd against the worst SL ever.. World class!!!
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I bet the England boys love bowling at him in the nets, never mind oppos in games
Just sense that there's just too much for him to think about in a game of cricket
Bit of a goldfish brain?
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Jason Roy choo choo
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Only way Root ever looked like getting out.
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Root makes batting look so easy it makes you want to kick him in the gonads
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Root makes batting look so easy it makes you want to kick him in the gonads
Oops,add two wickets to the score-boycs
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God knows what Morgan is doing here, just grounded everything to a bloody halt.
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Time to fire Hales from opening slot !
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Time to fire Hales from opening slot !
I think the struggles of hales, vince, balance just show how amazing cook, root, Roy and bairstow are. Different league. Also shows how good Pak bowling is - if you're anything short of world claas, you will struggle
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I think the struggles of hales, vince, balance just show how amazing cook, root, Roy and bairstow are. Different league. Also shows how good Pak bowling is - if you're anything short of world claas, you will struggle
Eng can do something drastic here. They can play with two keepers - Bairstow & Butler. One of them can open the innings. Have a keeper who can do decent job of opening the innings would be a great asset to any team ...
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Time to fire Hales from opening slot !
What after one poor game? His record is good in odi cricket!!
Tough crowd here.
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Eng can do something drastic here. They can play with two keepers - Bairstow & Butler. One of them can open the innings. Have a keeper who can do decent job of opening the innings would be a great asset to any team ...
They could your right.i struggle to see how bairstow is left out on ability if your absolutley picking the strongest side.
England 2016 give players a decent run now,us(england fans) cant have it both ways and go back to chopping and changing...
The selectors have had a good look at vince ballance and hales over the summer.
Personally in this one day series i would of like to have seen dbd(kent) or duckett...to have a look at one of them left out hales.long term i cannot see him being good enough against quality bowlers
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What after one poor game? His record is good in odi cricket!!
Tough crowd here.
My thinking is this ... Hales is the only player who is an opener in both test & ODI. His counterparts Cook in tests and Roy in shorter format are doing much better than him. Either seclude Hales to one format or pair up Cook & Roy to opening slots in ODI. Cook does have a good ODI record .. i am not sure of the details but certainly would be better than Hales in 50 over games. Hales should definitely be on team for T20's. His attacking game play would work there. This is a home series for England. They can afford to give more chances to young players in this series. I don't see Pakistan winning this ODI series anyways ...
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Eng can do something drastic here. They can play with two keepers - Bairstow & Butler. One of them can open the innings. Have a keeper who can do decent job of opening the innings would be a great asset to any team ...
Erm, not if you've got someone else keeping wicket?
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What after one poor game? His record is good in odi cricket!!
Tough crowd here.
Tough/ clueless.
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England stronger with Woakes out Baistow in And A fit Stokes bowling
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England stronger with Woakes out Baistow in And A fit Stokes bowling
I could barely disagree with this more. Why would you leave out the player of the summer just to get another batsman in? I agree that perhaps Bairstow should be playing but not at the expense of Woakes.
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England stronger with Woakes out Baistow in And A fit Stokes bowling
You side that about him in tests at begining off summer. But have been quiet on that front in a while.
Time to stop the random hating on woakes.
Plus as stokes isn't fit to bowl. It's mute.
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Stokes is an all rounder! If he is not bowling then why play him just as a batsman and leave bairstow on the bench?? That seems crazy to me! I say bairstow in, rest stokes. Then stokes back in when he can bowl and bat.
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Woody! What a start!
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EASEH! EASEH! EASEH!
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They should drop Woakes, he's only taken 2 wickets in 7 balls without going for a run.
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The Bairstow love affair is getting up with the Ian Bell fan club. Whilst Stokes isn't bowling at present, he's the catalyst for us to win the 2019 world cup. Bairstow is a quality Test batsman but his list a record is hardly breaking the door down. You could go as far as saying Bairstow is fortunate to be in the ODI squad ahead Duckett and Billings, but averaging 45+ in list a cricket .
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You side that about him in tests at begining off summer. But have been quiet on that front in a while.
Time to stop the random hating on woakes.
Plus as stokes isn't fit to bowl. It's mute.
Not hating Chris I am pleased he did well for England in the tests except when the tracks were flat You have to score runs and take wickets all around the test playing world to be rated also Woakes one day record is not great.
I was looking more towards the third 1 dayer when Stokes should be fit to bowl and if England play 2 spinners.
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Alex Hales can't play spin at all. His only get out shot is the wild hack to cow corner and invariably he gets out to that shot...
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Pakistan dropped Hafeez and I sense a renewed vigor and vitality in the team. That pecker head professor is gone. :D
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Them Greene King IPA adverts look funny. Vitality dachshund was hilarious!
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England Gotta replace hales asap
Clueless !
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For 26 overs, that ball looks pretty beat up.
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England Gotta replace hales asap
Clueless !
It's a shame the ego/attitude isn't reflected in runs
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It's a shame the ego/attitude isn't reflected in runs
Yep dont like slagging off someone in a England shirt but the Oval did for Hales.
England are loyal these days but technically he aint got it,one dayers or tests and its bloomin obvious.
Runs against sri lanka yes but what standard is their attack? Yorkshire? No way..Surrey? Nope.maybe another County div 1 side.
The selectors cant get everything right but the wrong horse has been backed here.
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Boycott was spot on, in that he's just not good enough,
Playing or timing one or two cover drives is not enough against world class bowling from any country.
Compton was the same, and to me, hales is worse
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This is garbage, Hales is a little out of form, he will come good again in odi cricket. Give him a break, it is rare that all batsman in a team are in form at the same time.
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Give him a break? Why?
They are 'paid' cricketers. As such should we not expect results?
I tell you what mr buzz, you get a bit aggressive with your replies at times, you had a bit of a go at me on the brexit topic.
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Give him a break? Why?
They are 'paid' cricketers. As such should we not expect results?
I tell you what mr buzz, you get a bit aggressive with your replies at times, you had a bit of a go at me on the brexit topic.
Disagreeing with the old guard is not allowed
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Give him a break? Why?
They are 'paid' cricketers. As such should we not expect results?
I tell you what mr buzz, you get a bit aggressive with your replies at times, you had a bit of a go at me on the brexit topic.
Now, I'm no hales fan or any white ball style player tbh.. However, without looking at the stats his odi record is decent. Sure he's played some tonk teams on flat roads but unless you are brain dead that's the story generally now in the game. He's having a bad run that's all. He's the man in possession and why does he deserve less time than bell, cook etc got.
They are paid however so unlike clubbies have to produce the goods.. Having said that, when is the last time someone lost their cricket career at that level over mediocre performances
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Don't get all the Hales bashing! Yes, he has struggled in test cricket but he's a very decent one-day opener. He had a great series in South Africa over the winter against a decent attack. A couple of low scores doesn't mean he should be dropped.
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Cricket is a Wierd sport. Mainly for how it's played.
But in football, if you are having a lean spell, a bad run, you go on the bench, or don't get picked for the national squad. When the goals return. You are back in.
Cricket due to the national team playing all year(especially if you play all formats) when your out of form you have to knuckle down and get through it, if you don't and enough people call for your head, your out and out for a while even if the runs start flowing st county level.
Do I believe hales needs dropping? Nope, wasn't long ago him and Roy had a few hundreds between them.
If he get no runs at all this season, he will be watched in the next series closely, and if he's still struggling, he may be replaced. It's just a case off if there's someone out there to replace him?
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Pretty soon we'll need a new thread just for Hales.
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So the Mrs has just been offered 2 seats for free in hospitality for the game at Trent Bridge tomorrow! My first ever ODI and visit to TB so am pretty stoked!
Weather is supposed to be set fair and all the beer/food is free. Wednesday may well be a right off!
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England win the toss and bat, hoorah. Unchanged side.
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Time to rack up a massive score on this flat pitch
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Root's bat has tape all over it - guess the pros don't have time for the old "glue and clamp" ;)
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Cracking batting track!
My mate hales is on a roll
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As a forum are we still wanting to drop hales???? Lol.
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england on for a mammoth total here, helped by some comical fielding from pakistan
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Gotta fill yer boots when you can, and fair play he's doing that nicely
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Well the new predator works for Hales
3rd hundred in his last 7 odi innings
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100 up and 25 overs left.
What's chances buttler strolls in next wicket?
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#DropAlexHales ;)
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Well the new predator works for Hales
3rd hundred in his last 7 odi innings
He's clearly on the forum! Buy a new bat and be in the runs..........
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He's clearly on the forum! Buy a new bat and be in the runs..........
Want his last big upturn in form when he went from using GM to GN kit. Clearly changing gear is airways the answer!
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This is garbage, Hales is a little out of form, he will come good again in odi cricket. Give him a break, it is rare that all batsman in a team are in form at the same time.
Ho humm. Score a ton in under half the innings...
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What's gonna be a good score on that wicket tho?
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Ho humm. Score a ton in under half the innings...
:D
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What's gonna be a good score on that wicket tho?
Though?
An international hundred is an international hundred.
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Want his last big upturn in form when he went from using GM to GN kit. Clearly changing gear is airways the answer!
So when you changing the hunts gear?
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I meant a team score
Like I said, fair play he's filling his boots, a tons a ton
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START THE CAR
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So when you changing the hunts gear?
I haven't used it yet! (Between winter nets and next season...)
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I haven't used it yet! (Between winter breasts and next season...)
Sounds as if you have an awesome winter planned.
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I haven't used it yet! (Between winter breasts and next season...)
Count me in on that winter prep!
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Its never over until both teams have batted.
And pakistan have a few barsmen very capable of Buttler type knocks, so lets just keep a lid on things.
Although i am pretty sure that england will be the happier team at the moment. ;-)
A good score would be 320. An excellent score would be 350+! But if Buttler & co get going then 400+ is very possible!!
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Hales like Harry Potter here where every waft of his wand seems magic. Finding gaps, getting dropped and even caught off a no ball.
May hay that man as the sun doth shine on u today ☀️
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Root still going away less than a run a ball
Needs to get a move on😉😉😉
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Worth a bet on Hales outscoring the whole Pakistan side?
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And that's 150 up for hales.
Next target is Robin smiths record! Get your name in the history books before your dropped.......
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Sounds as if you have an awesome winter planned.
Well I had meant to type winter nets but my autocorrect had different ideas (that probably tells you a lot about the words I regularly type...)
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Hales gone back to his (old) supernova gloves
Cue him getting out
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Hales gone back to his (old) supernova gloves
Cue him getting out
Must be a shortage of predator gloves in the area! I like them, good colours, just a shame there not sausage.
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Equal with judge...
My last post was wrong
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And there we go!
With a 4
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... But now he's out
Pending review
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Reckon root said, that's out but review anyway mate!
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Well batted Alex!
Should give him some confidence going forward now
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Drop Hales for not getting 200...
To be honest I am not sure Pakistan wanted to get Hales out if Jos does his thing...
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Drop Hales for not getting 200...
He can't keep throwing away these good starts without getting a big score
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He can't keep throwing away these good starts without getting a big score
Yet again he's proved he can't carry his bat
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Nick knight. How annoying is his commentary.
Did he really say "I reckon this pitch is a par 300".........
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Root needs to be careful as can't keep getting 70/80 as he will be next for chop
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Root needs to be careful as can't keep getting 70/80 as he will be next for chop
I'd be happy to score 70 then get a chop...
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this could be carnage
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I don't stay late at work for many things, but Jos Buttler is one of them.
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OH MY GOD
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Buttler is smashing some bombs into the crowd here! 53 of 22 balls.
347 and still 8 left. Massive score on
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Buttler seems to hit the ball ridiculously hard!
And I think Pakistan are probably wishing that Hales and Root were still in at the moment!
This is looking like a 400+ score - they will need to be so clever with their bowling and will have to start fielding out of their skins in the final 7 overs otherwise this will be carnage!
And if they keep dropping these catches then they will be suicidal by the 50th over!
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Drop Hales for not getting 200...
To be honest I am not sure Pakistan wanted to get Hales out if Jos does his thing...
Yup.
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The power Buttler gets with what looks a relatively short swing is incredible, some monster hits.
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This. Is. Carnage!!!!
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400 and counting
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Classic Wahab
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And wahab brings up his ton......
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With Morgan's 50
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A perfect yorker that gets a hockey shot through extra cover for 4. Marry me, Jos
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England breaking more records.
It's amazing how poor we was in the last World Cup, when those who weren't being picked can do this!
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England post an ODI innings record. I repeat, ENGLAND post an ODI innings record.
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All this carnage post the hapless effort at the World Cup is good and well, but we don't want peak too soon. We need to maintain this for an extended period so during this cycle we win the Champions Trophy and World Cup.
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Well that was a fun afternoon, carnage.
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And YJB can't even get into this team.. 😱
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All this carnage post the hapless effort at the World Cup is good and well, but we don't want peak too soon. We need to maintain this for an extended period so during this cycle we win the Champions Trophy and World Cup.
Absolutely Son of Eeyore - let's not get all giddy!
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England ODI side serving notice for the 2019 World Cup! England are the most talented side in the world right now.
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England ODI side serving notice for the 2019 World Cup! England are the most talented side in the world right now.
Not sure I'd go that far. Bowling is still a concern. If someone can get Tymal Mills fit enough for ODI's than maybe.
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Rashid's fielding would do the country of his fore fathers proud...
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Didn't check the forum over the bank holiday, just got back to a computer, read through this thread and had a right giggle reading all the Hales posts before this game started!
Love that Buttler got 90 off 51 and spent most of his innings looking unhappy about missing the ball, what a team innings. Need to drop Jason Roy though, he's just not up to standard with the rest of them :D
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Hales is still dire in the field though.
Want Pakistan to make a respectable total, feel our bowlers need a bit of a reality check.
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Must admit, having seen England put on 445, Pakistan should just block it out for 50. England have scored too many, ruined the game... ;)
Sharjeel making a fist of it though!
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Sorry Sharjeel, my bad!
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This match would determine the future style of Pakistan's ODI cricket. They don't know how to accelerate their run rate and if they can do it decently today, they'll break out of this #9 rut.
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Sorry Sharjeel, my bad!
I was typing Sharjeel needed to pace his inning and look what happened. He didn't middle this pull.
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Sharjeel batted well.
But to be caught in the power play shows he was going by the spur of the moment shots.
Hales, and buttler were moving the field around, aiming at gaps etc.
I presume sarfraz will go for it, but not sure rest of Pakistan side will.
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Just looking at the bowling figures.
Nawaz went @ 6's over his 10! Frankly, that's incredible when a side puts up 444.
Pace off the ball. But please, please not Moeen!
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Pakistan should have given Sharjeel a white flag to wave when he got out. Disappointed nobody else is trying to make a fist of it.
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Anyone know what happened to that 7'0 lad Pakistan had 12 months ago? Maybe he deserves a go.
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Anyone know what happened to that 7'0 lad Pakistan had 12 months ago? Maybe he deserves a go.
He's got called up in place of hafeez, so will probably get a game at headingley.
He was apparently called up(bowler for batsman seems daft) as a few off the bowlers that have done tests have complained about fatigue.
After today a reckon wahab be after the break.
Is there anyone anyone in Pakistanis set up that bats like buttler/Roy. I.e can hit it hard from ball one, has abit of flair?? Surely time to blood them and work on them.
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Time to lure Boom Boom out of retirement I reckon! :D
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Just recall Kamran Akmal, job done
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Just recall Kamran Akmal, job done
Shout. And Umar Akmal too, he can go big when he's got his head screwed on. Read an article about him a while ago, sounds like everyone in Pakistan thinks he just likes being a celebrity, not bothered about improving his game.
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What happened to awais zai?
He used to go big domestic, but got a very short run in the national side.
https://youtu.be/W1u9FypL5eA
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What happened to awais zai?
He used to go big domestic, but got a very short run in the national side.
https://youtu.be/W1u9FypL5eA
The guy Steven Finn exposed to only having the leg side slog in his shot armory?
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Zai and sharjeel vs roy and hales just for a change azhar sami are not suited for quick starts.
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Rashid's ODI bowling is getting better with every passing game, whilst Ali's seems to get worst with game...
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Odd not a single complaint about the flat wicket and tiny boundaries??? We usually get that when India or aus rack up big scores ;)
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22 ball 100 from number 11! Flat track ;)
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Amir new opener
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Damn put the mockers on Dilly
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The guy Steven Finn exposed to only having the leg side slog in his shot armory?
He hit Finn fist ball of his t20 career over cover.......
But still his career was short at international level, and shows Pakistan have no intention of sticking, or working with people. Merely discard them if they ever show weakness early on.
Find someone with raw talent and such and work with them to get over the flaws! Currently they have Sharjeel and amir..........
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Much in the same way counties get penalised for preparing pitches that do too much, I'd love to see the ECB implement something for the polar opposite: when the pitch offers nothing.
Then again, this is what modern cricket has come to. Expect more of the same in years to come.
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He hit Finn fist ball of his t20 career over cover.......
But still his career was short at international level, and shows Pakistan have no intention of sticking, or working with people. Merely discard them if they ever show weakness early on.
Find someone with raw talent and such and work with them to get over the flaws! Currently they have Sharjeel and amir..........
Pakistani players seem to have problems with their own heads. Ahmed Shahzad and Umar Akmal are as talented as anyone they have ever produced, but they are nowhere to be seen anymore
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^ Their lack of performance in the last World Cup led to their departure from the side and setup for good.
The current Pak ODI side is young and will take atleast two years to show some fight against strong teams . Just like today's game, this period of development and transition won't be easy. PCB better stick with some of these young guys and let them grow into their full potential for the international game as well as the 2019 World Cup. Having said, I think Sharjeel needs a new opening partner with as much talent and potential as himself.
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Probably the strongest Eng ODI team i have ever seen ! Top class performance from Root, Butler, Morgan & Hales. Still not sold on Hales but i think the he has reserved his spot for asian tour with this knock ...
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How different in personnel are this English side compared to the world cup flops?
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Rather than the world cup flops, compare the team to Peter Moore's first choice side in Sri Lanka before the world cup. So the first game in that series with Cook opening with Bell and Moeen at 3
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Rather than the world cup flops, compare the team to Peter Moore's first choice side in Sri Lanka before the world cup. So the first game in that series with Cook opening with Bell and Moeen at 3
Ballance at 3. Ali not in side.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/22D8C986-FE47-4596-BFFB-537B8303C320_zps6be9wmhq.png) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/22D8C986-FE47-4596-BFFB-537B8303C320_zps6be9wmhq.png.html)
I'd have my money on the current side against Peter moored idea of odi cricket!
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If you picked that side in full and played it against our current team with Jos, Joe and Eoin replaced by Billings, Duckett and Bairstow I would still back the current team.
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T20 squad has been released:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
Sam Billings (Kent)
Jos Buttler (Lancashire)
Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Jordan (Sussex)
Tymal Mills (Sussex)
Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire)
Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jason Roy (Surrey)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
David Willey (Yorkshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
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T20 squad has been released:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
Sam Billings (Kent)
Jos Buttler (Lancashire)
Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Jordan (Sussex)
Tymal Mills (Sussex)
Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire)
Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jason Roy (Surrey)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
David Willey (Yorkshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
Billings, Plunkett and Jordan warming the bench you think? Or do you only go with one 90+ quick, Wood/Mills or only one lefty, Mills/Willey?
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Personally I'd go:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
Sam Billings (Kent)
Jos Buttler (Lancashire)
Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Jordan (Sussex)
Tymal Mills (Sussex)
Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire)
Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jason Roy (Surrey)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
David Willey (Yorkshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
Willey offers more in T20 than Plunkett for me, but then I've never really been a fan of Plunkett. Jordan IMO shouldn't get near the squad, just because he bowls the odd decent yorker doesn't make him a good player and Billings is just damn right unlucky, definitely good enough for internationals but the rest of the team are on fire at the moment!
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Looking forward to see Tymal Mills and Mark Wood bowling together
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I was at Trent Bridge yesterday...amazing day and a good tan achieved in the process. Random one - can anyone confirm that Amir was using a Warsop bat? Thought I saw it on the big screen (im sure stickers were WS) and by the way the ball sounded as it kaboooomed off his bat, it must have been a serious piece of willow. Who do you reckon he borrowed that from?? He definitely could've batted in their top 5 yesterday btw.
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No Dawson :(
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Personally I'd go:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
Sam Billings (Kent)
Jos Buttler (Lancashire)
Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Jordan (Sussex)
Tymal Mills (Sussex)
Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire)
Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jason Roy (Surrey)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
David Willey (Yorkshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
Willey offers more in T20 than Plunkett for me, but then I've never really been a fan of Plunkett. Jordan IMO shouldn't get near the squad, just because he bowls the odd decent yorker doesn't make him a good player and Billings is just damn right unlucky, definitely good enough for internationals but the rest of the team are on fire at the moment!
I'd probably go the same, like you I feel for Billings but who do drop?! I get the sinking feeling Jordan will play too
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I was at Trent Bridge yesterday...amazing day and a good tan achieved in the process. Random one - can anyone confirm that Amir was using a Warsop bat? Thought I saw it on the big screen (im sure stickers were WS) and by the way the ball sounded as it kaboooomed off his bat, it must have been a serious piece of willow. Who do you reckon he borrowed that from?? He definitely could've batted in their top 5 yesterday btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ueI9MZmVY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ueI9MZmVY)
yes, he has been using Warsop Equipment. It can be clearly seen at 2:24 at the above video of him batting.
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Woakes, Woods and Buttler (Buttler picked up a niggle) all rested.
Replaced by Jordan, Willey and Bairstow!
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England talked about being ruthless... then they pick jordan.. go figure?
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England talked about being ruthless... then they pick jordan.. go figure?
I can understand JB in place of Buttler, as Buttler felt a niggle in warm-up so last minute change.
And I can understand resting Woakes as we need to wrap him in cotton wool and take care of him!!
But I don't rate Jordan as a 10-over bowler. The last couple of overs in a T20 he looks ok - but 10 overs?
I guess looking at the positives, Jordan can be a gun fielder most of the time.
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Jordan has a better ODI strike rate than James Anderson.
Surely Woakes's career trajectory could be applied here - with more experience comes better results? Not everyone is Wasim Akram straightaway.
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Bobbins....
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Talk about brainless cricket
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I can understand JB in place of Buttler, as Buttler felt a niggle in warm-up so last minute change.
And I can understand resting Woakes as we need to wrap him in cotton wool and take care of him!!
But I don't rate Jordan as a 10-over bowler. The last couple of overs in a T20 he looks ok - but 10 overs?
I guess looking at the positives, Jordan can be a gun fielder most of the time.
I agree, the changes other than Jordan don't weaken the side, I hate it when England do this talk about whitewashes and being ruthless then weaken the side! If they're going to chop and change at least bring in some new faces!
I would much rather see a young up and coming guy in the side and let cj ply his trade on the south coast away form the national side..
Just hate how England say one thing and do another! Anyway rant over!
One down already and Jordan has the wicket... Just had to prove me wrong.
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Exactly...if bell drummond or duckett for example were in the squad theres an option one to get them around the set up and coaches and two to have a look at them,or one of them maybe.
Obviously you dont know its going to be 3-0 but if they are not in the squad theres no opportunity.
We could even swap a bowler for a batsman at this stage
There were whispers Root was going to be rested also with bangladesh and india coming up
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To be fair, Jordan has a very important wicket! Sharjeel has looked very dangerous and if he gets off to a good start, he would inject some confidence in the side.
But getting him early and Pakistan already sound as if they are concentrating on simply rebuilding! So they are probably looking to put a slowish partnership and still have 8 or 9 wickets left with 15/20 overs left!
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Bairstow has had a shave and I didn't recognise him until I saw the name on the back of his shirt!
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England are trying to scuff up the ball with all the ground hitting throws against Pakistan. How ironic. :D
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Always enjoy watching the giant Mohammad Irfan bowl, often wonder why he didn't take up basketball with that 7ft frame
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Stokes takes the greatest catch ever.......... Off a free hit.
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Benji is amazing!
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Different gravy that even if he has nicked bairstows beard
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YJB looks so odd without the beard and new haircut
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Have been impressed with Ahmed in this series - he's looked decent!
And just as I was writing this, he hits one down Plunkett's throat! Ignore me!!
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Plunkett(beard) stunner!!
How good would Root be if he could grow one?
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Ali is looking on decent form - just as well as he's the only one who is laying a foundation here!!
Pakistan to get 287 after a late slog I reckon ;-)
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Plunkett(beard) stunner!!
How good would Root be if he could grow one?
He definitely has a bit of stubble
There was an interview on the ECB Facebook page of him with some chin hair
It was blonde though!
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ali gives it away after batting so well for 80, will do well to get 250 now
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Before the Kings of Leon there was a band(i dont expect anyone your age to know this) called ZZ Top.also famous for outrageous beards...very untrendy at the time.
I saw Rooooooot had a bit of bum fluff the other day,personally id like to see A.Cook with the full monty 3 foot long job
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Ah, watching us chase 207 or something low. Maybe just treat it like a T20 for giggles.
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The worrying thing for Pakistan is that their T20 side isn't too dissimilar from this lot. And to think they were once touted as the best nation at T20.
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Pakistan haven't got enough - enter Chris Jordan.
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The worrying thing for Pakistan is that their T20 side isn't too dissimilar from this lot. And to think they were once touted as the best nation at T20.
True. Some of those T-20 greats started out as 18 y/o ODI firebrands (Afridi). Seeing young guys like Imad and Sharjeel in action, I think the team will be in better shape in 2 years.
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Time to drop hales, just not good enough..........
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Time to drop hales, just not good enough..........
Non-zero chance of sarcasm not being appreciated in the following posts. ;)
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Irfan on his knees is almost as tall as everyone else on their feet.
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Pakistan bowling and fielding much better today still a game on if another wicket or two goes down
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Can always rely on the gingers to piece it slowly back together
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Time to drop hales, just not good enough..........
Drop Hales now? Pakistan have been dropping him all summer. You are so behind the times. :-)
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Irfan off because he is too stiff?
Dunno about some of you but i can hardly move before games let alone during or before.
No one got any deep heat for the big fella?
:)
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Time to drop hales, just not good enough..........
Same with root, time for him to go back to county cricket he's too inconsistent
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This is why Stokes is great. Never going to be consistent with the bat but every now and then puts on a knock that puts the game in your favour...
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I love Mark Wood
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Think Micky Arthur is having a shocker as coach getting annoyed about a bowler who's injured
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bowled 4 competitive overs since april and wonder why hes not fit/ready to bowl...
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Think Micky Arthur is having a shocker as coach getting annoyed about a bowler who's injured
Why do Sky keep going to him, are they just hoping to get video of Mickey ragging?
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Product of the system; can't expect a guy who's had issues in the past to just walk back in the side and bowl a full spell
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What is the song that was playing in the stadium when Moeen hit his six of Azhar?
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Easy money!
strength in depth.
Woakes wood in bench, buttler injured. Still won!
Back up keeper who can't force his way in, wins us game, along with a fine cameo from our non spinner spinner at 7! Still batting in the shed.
All this with billings, Malan, duckett among a few on the side lines!
Duckett who ran out of odi cricket to perform in got 185 of 159 today in the 4 day game. That boy ha talent and got to be in England side in some format soon!!
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Easy money!
strength in depth.
Woakes wood in bench, buttler injured. Still won!
Back up keeper who can't force his way in, wins us game, along with a fine cameo from our non spinner spinner at 7! Still batting in the shed.
All this with billings, Malan, duckett among a few on the side lines!
Duckett who ranboutnofmodi cricket to perform in got 185 of 159 today in the 4 day game. That boy ha talent and got to be in England side in some format soon!!
what a turnaround post WC
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So we are batting.
Ali Rashid and plunkett rested. Wood, woakes and Dawson in.
Hales bamboozled by a slower ball for 23 #drophales he's done nothing since his 171......lol
Root with a rare failure.
Morgan and Roy to the rescue??
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Some one just posted this stat on Twitter.
Most ODI runs since 30 March 2015
Joe Root 1215
Alex Hales 1132
Martin Guptill 1105
Eoin Morgan 1076
Jason Roy 1006
Which makes it quite laughable the forum wanted hales dropped.
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Good stat. However, perhaps England have played more ODI's than anyone else? Does anyone have the average stats?
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I don't think anything makes me happier than seeing an England player cop one down below to be followed by an obligatory shot of Joe Root laughing
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I don't think anything makes me happier than seeing an England player cop one down below to be followed by an obligatory shot of Joe Root laughing
If I were stokes, I would punch him in the nuts just before the presentation ceremony
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Just wondering if anyone else much prefers Wasim Akram on commentary to Ramiz Raja?
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Top run out from johnny b there.
Pakistan were cruising and we looked nowhere? Yet the two set batsmen seemed insistent on attacking Dawson, and well it cost them there wickets.
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Pakistan win an ODI.
In other news, pigs can fly.
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^ LOL.
This must be the highest total they've chased down. :)
They have a template for the team they need to win these games against a strong side: Drop boat-anchor Hafeez; get the new guys like Imad & Sharjeel in the side and give them a chance; rotate their bowlers by mixing up experienced/veterans like Umar Gul and Irfan with the new guys; also, get Junaid Khan back in the side - he is a good bowler.
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Times have changed but Pakistan is stuck in the early 90's mode of playing cricket. 4 rpo for the first 20 overs or so without losing wickets & then accelerating in the last 10 overs to get to 250 or so is outdated. 250 + is not a par score nowadays. Irrespective of how good the opposite bowling is. Batsman are so good these days - they will hunt it down even if they lose early wickets.
The new gen batting teams are simply amazing !
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Just wondering if anyone else much prefers Wasim Akram on commentary to Ramiz Raja?
No, he's done what appeared to be impossible and managed to be worse than Ramiz. He just sits there narrating exactly what the viewer can see on the screen and adds nothing of value himself.
"The score is 120 for 3. Short ball...pulled...caught!...he's out!"
You know it's not radio commentary and we can see all of that ourselves right?
The only decent Pakistani commentator (and possibly the best Asian commentator) right now is Bazid Khan, even if he's got that monotone Bob Willis voice.
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And the T20 finale is here. Gorgeous weather for it by the looks of things. Like that XI also.
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No Woody or Millsy either, gutted
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Roy doesn't seem to know what end of the bat to hold, still smokes a monster 6!
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Silly shot from Root, especially in the circumstances...
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Oh no, Benji! Getting caught on a pull is no fun.
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Can't hear the commentators, so much noise.
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Jordan showing why he should be no where near an International side. Piss poor bowling
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This is terrible
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England deserve to lose this game, this is what happens when you don't take your team selection seriously. Why Wood and Mills aren't playing is beyond me. The first two overs are has quite possibly been the poorest efforts at opening a T20 I have ever seen. Both players are incredibly confident at playing of the back foot, the pull shot in particular, yet they continued to bowl short.
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In the words of every cliche'd fielder in England.
"Tri's kids in a rush, think he wants to watch X factor........"
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I love watching stokes bat and field...but he seems to be a very hittable bowler in shorter formats