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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: GoodLeave on June 18, 2016, 07:18:24 AM
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Morning all,
Not sure where this thread would go now we dont have the IJC sponsored area, please feel free to move it.
I read an interesting article by Paul yesterday on Dead weight of bats Vs. Pick up. I was wondering how we'd go about picking bats if we knew an accurate pick up weight.
If you were a "2.10" kind of guy, would you pick a bat that has a dead weight of 2.10 but picked up 2.8 allowing you to swing harder/increase bat speed. Or, would you pick a bat that has a dead weight of 2.12 but picked up 2.10, meaning it felt the same as your usual bat, but you'd have more wood behind each shot.
Please, let's not make this another IJC hate thread, I was just referencing Paul as the author. Here's the link: http://www.itsjustcricket.news/dead-weight-vs-pick-up-what-is-most-important-in-a-cricket-bat/ (http://www.itsjustcricket.news/dead-weight-vs-pick-up-what-is-most-important-in-a-cricket-bat/)
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I think it's all tripe tbh. A 2.10 bat picks up at 2.10, it's just mental perception that makes you think it's lighter, it's still a 2.10 bat
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Its too subjective imo. Ive had bats that i felt picked up lighter than they weighed but mates have thought they picked up terribly. Its a bit like beauty: its in the eye of the bat-holder... (get it? Lol) :D
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Some people think its a big thing. I recently went from a 2.8 to a 2.10 and I don't feel a difference.
I know Paul Aldred is a big fan of dead weight vs actual weight. His FB posts always state both weights.
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I think it's all tripe tbh. A 2.10 bat picks up at 2.10, it's just mental perception that makes you think it's lighter, it's still a 2.10 bat
Not sure it's tripe, bats weight distribution are all different so some feel heavier than others to pick up. I agree that the whole it feels like a 2.8 is really just a guess it just picks up lighter that's all
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Its too subjective imo. Ive had bats that i felt picked up lighter than they weighed but mates have thought they picked up terribly. Its a bit like beauty: its in the eye of the bat-holder... (get it? Lol) :D
Did you actually laugh out loud at that joke? :o ;)
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Did you actually laugh out loud at that joke? :o ;)
yep! :D
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If you know what weight you're comfortable with, don't stray too far from it. Couple of ounces heavier is alright with a bat that picks up well, but you're still swinging more weight than normal. Remember going through Kookaburras in a shop a few years ago when they were all ridiculously high middles and trying to find one I liked the pickup on, I normally use 2.10/11 (new, one grip, no scuff etc) and had to go up to at least 2.15 before I felt like I was holding a bat at all, at which point trying to play a cut off anyone with a bit of pace would have been a waste of time.
How subjective it is makes buying based on someone else's idea of pickup a waste of time as well, can't count the times I've picked up teammates' bats that they think pick up beautifully and thought they picked up like a pig or others picked up one of mine that I think is pretty bottom heavy and they tell me how dreamy light it is. Recently had a few people pick up a couple of my bats and tell me how they can "barely feel it, must be 2.8/9 it's so light" - the two in question are big bottom heavy bats, a Nemesis at 2.12.5 and a low middled Puma weighing almost 2.14 with the grips etc on them. Just goes to show you can't trust a random opinion on pickup, particularly someone else trying to put a number on 'feel' weight!
That said, it's a good way to sell bats! Serious case of heart v head when picking up a 3lb Warbird at Uzi, was so close to persuading myself I could use it...
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This.
Pickup and balance is such a personal thing, and I simply don't understand how people can put an accurate weight on a statement like "it's a 2.10 but it picks up at 2.8".
For me, it's a bat that weighs 2.10 that picks up a bit lighter.
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Dead weights dead weight
i won't walk out with anything over 2.9 now, because I've proved to myself, no matter how good the bat picks up, I'm just not able to play the same shots
My current match bat was an absolute gun, but weighed 2.12
I just couldn't use it, I've gradually taken weight off, and it's now at 2.8., (I did the same with my laver years ago)
I'm hitting the ball harder, and playing a wider range of shots
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Harder? Jesus wept!!
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Maybe I'm completely wrong but surely all cricket bats pick up heavier than their dead weight (seeing as the main mass on any bat is always away from the hands)?
So when we say a bat picks up lighter than it's dead weight, is it actually a case of the bat picking up closer to it's dead weight?
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I've posted about this sort of thing before if anyone wants some extra reading.
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30551.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30551.0)
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I've posted about this sort of thing before if anyone wants some extra reading.
[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30551.0[/url] ([url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30551.0[/url])
I think you're right Jake, a lot of this is in the mind. But Spanky is right in thinking the further the weight is from the pivot (Hands) the heavier it feels. Without making the blade shorter (Think CA), the only way to make it "Feel" lighter, is to move the weight closer to the hands by moving the amount of wood towards the handle or indeed, putting a counter-balance in the handle.
I was more interested in finding out how people go about picking thier bats, do they pick on dead weight or pick up. Personally, I'm a facts guy, so I'm going on dead weight, lighter pickup is a bonus.
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I think you're right Jake, a lot of this is in the mind. But Spanky is right in thinking the further the weight is from the pivot (Hands) the heavier it feels. Without making the blade shorter (Think CA), the only way to make it "Feel" lighter, is to move the weight closer to the hands by moving the amount of wood towards the handle or indeed, putting a counter-balance in the handle.
I was more interested in finding out how people go about picking thier bats, do they pick on dead weight or pick up. Personally, I'm a facts guy, so I'm going on dead weight, lighter pickup is a bonus.
Going by pickup/balance is a great way of doing it, the reason i wrote the post is because i find it very odd to assign a number/weight reading to a subjective thing like pickup.
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I like 2.7, has anyone got a 2.5 with a really bad pick up?
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I think you have to buy in the weight range that you know suits you and put pick up etc aside. As Edge and Northern suggest (I think), there are probably more scoring shots that are reliant on bat manipulation rather than the pendulum effect of a great pick up with a straight bat. I'd love to think that I played with a straight bat all the time but I would be deluding myself.
For that reason as well I'm not into counterbalanced handles - to me it's adding weight where it isn't really doing any good, apart from making the bat feel nicer when you pick it up in a certain way.
I don't know how much extra weight is in there, but I'll speculate at 1oz. To me, if you can physically handle a 2-12 bat, for example, I'd think that the 1oz that goes towards counterbalancing to improve pick up, would be better in the blade where it will help you hit the ball harder.
Tim2000 has done some interesting stuff on bat weight/power of shot etc. (from memory, a heavier bat will hit the ball further was the conclusion).
I came to a similar conclusion when I really dropped down in bat weight to 2-6, 2-7 to increase bat speed. I had a couple of lovely bats in that range but couldn't get the ball off the square. Any extra bat speed that I was able to generate was negated by the light blades - because I'm older and slower I can't get the acceleration needed these days (there must be some formula in respect of speed x mass to have a certain impact effect - ie, how fast does a 2-6 bat have to move to be able to hit the ball as hard as a 2-10 bat?).
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Here was I thinking that describing pick up as a measure of weight was a marketing tool to sell heavier bats.
Actually I am being a bit facetious.
Clearly a tendulkar shape won't pick up as well as a high middled bat of the same weight.
And there are ways by having wood in the shoulders to help weight distribution for example.
But still a lot of discussion is hot air to sell bats.
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Absoutely @trypewriter , I like a heavier bat than many but if I can't get my hands quickly through a pull shot then the bat is costing me runs no matter how well I'm hitting it straight. My thinking over the past few years is tending towards find the heaviest weight you can comfortably play all your shots with, then a bit lighter than that is probably about optimum for bat speed and control etc.
Re. light bats and speed, the difference between shapes is interesting - using a 2.8 standard duckbill shape in nets before this season I didn't feel like I could hit the ball anywhere near as hard as normal, but I know I can hit it bloody miles with a 2lb7 Mongoose! So extra bat speed definitely has a big effect, but only if you get a lot of extra bat speed to compensate for the weight lost.
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Those have been my conclusions Edge. With the lighter bats I felt I was having to put way too much of me into the shots to get the ball to go. How galling (personally) to see teammates effortlessly generate loads of speed and hit the ball for miles with the same bat (but how great that someone is getting good use out of a superb bat).
In my experience we are talking small margins too. Probably a range of 2oz in my case.
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Certain designs can pick up lighter than the scale weight and vice versa, some can pick up a lot worse - the "this feels right", or "this picks up lighter" or "this picks up horribly" is, at the minute very subjective, and you are completely right, it is all in the eye of the beholder.
For me, pick up weight should be all that matters, but there is very little research/knowledge in this area (cricket) - for those of you who think it's codswallop I would suggest you have a look at more technical sports, such as Tennis / Golf / baseball - where clubs/rackets/bats/sticks are sold on swing weight or a derivative of. Swing weight is very much a measurable thing but is not a weight, but a decimal reading, which does not translate to pounds and ounces.We have been doing a lot of research in this area, and early indications are looking good. The Holy Grail would be for you to be able to order on swing weight alone, let's say you want a swing weight of 0.47 - how do you know what swing weight you want I hear you ask?? Well we will be able to measure the swing weight of our old favourite and match it against a new (even different) designed bat (hopefully, as we are still a little way from this). This will take out all subjectivity on pick -up, and if done correctly could be a real game changer.
This way you will be able to order without even picking a bat up and know that it will feel "right" when it comes.
But what is the right pick up for you, that's probably a more important question.
Cricket as a sport has its roots well and truly in the past, whilst we as an industry should respect this and be proud of this, I think we need to be looking at how to improve and not just keep the status quo and say "this is what we have always done" but instead "how can we do it better".
That's my 2 pence worth.
Streaky
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Of course you can get bats of the same dead weight and they will pick up and feel lighter and different as we know shape bow middle position etc I could go on and on .....
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Sounds good Doc, there's a lot to be gained from looking at other sports and seeing how that could improve how we choose bats I think. A change in squash racquet for me a while ago definitely influenced my thinking on bats.
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I think you are getting there Streaky - as I typed my last bit I was wondering about some sort of test that would enable a person to find their ideal bat weight for optimum speed and power. In theory you would think that the lighter the better, but I don't think it's as simple as that. Still, it keeps us buying bats!
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Groundhog Day... http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=29018.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=29018.0)
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I totally agree with comments from the like of edge , northern monkey and others .
Pickup weight is way to subjective and depends on body types/ratios /where your muscles are , whether you use your forearms or wrists more in picking the bat up, how tall you are ....and on and on .
To me , i use mid-high middle bats , they usually pick up well to very well anyway . Then i just worry about my other specs - fullness , edge size , small shoulders, semi oval handle etc .
I had used bats that weighed 2lb9 for years . Then got a few refurbs done , my bats all weighed 2lb6-2lb7 after , and only had .5oz of wood removed due to the sanding process . I now take an inch off top of handle , remove twine and replace with elastoplast , no toe guard but only a wee bit of shoe goo , 1 chevron grip , minimal stickering - otherwise remove stickers, fibre scuff sheet . People always comment on how big my bats are for the weight , but really they are holding 2lb9oz bats that weigh 2lb6-7oz.I love the reduced dead weight from these mods . The pickup is essentially the same but overall the bats literally are way lighter than before .
I think people overstate importance of pickup weight anyway . I pick my bat up only for a moment then hold it in the air (gooch /greig style) so over tthe course of a long innings i will get muscle fatigue from holding a heavier dead weight bat in my stance over and over again , let alone the extra effort to swing that extra dead weighr in horizontal shots . So yeah , pick up weight overrated, dead weight underrated.
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Bats can pick up different, but think a lot of the time this whole "it picks up lighter than X" is a way to sell heavier bats.
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Whilst it is clear bats pick up differently, I never hear reviewers saying bats pick up significantly heavier then they would expect the dead weight to pick up, as such until there is a definable measure, I wouldn't go on the pick up on the word of a salesman.
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Bats can pick up different, but think a lot of the time this whole "it picks up lighter than X" is a way to sell heavier bats.
Nail on the head.
Dead weight is dead weight and it catches up with you in the end . Either through fatigue or restricted shot play. Pickup can help by the odd oz, high middle v low middle bats for example but you can't make a bat feel 3-4 oz lighter.
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Nail on the head.
Dead weight is dead weight and it catches up with you in the end . Either through fatigue or restricted shot play. Pickup can help by the odd oz, high middle v low middle bats for example but you can't make a bat feel 3-4 oz lighter.
exactly that!!!
A bat may pick up lighter in the shop or during the beginning of innings but after a while dead weight will catch up and your muscles will not be fooled anymore.
Never buy anything heavier which feels lighter.
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I normally use 2'10-2'11 bats and they seem to suit my game.
And I have tried to use heavier bats that 'pick up lighter' but nearly always with very limited success.
For me the more important things are how it feels in my hands and where the sweet spot is! I seem to get on with a slightly higher sweet spot normally and these bats tend to pick up better than bats with a lower middle that I find to be more bottom heavy!
Saying that, my net bat is actually closer to 2'13 and I use it with ease and find it comfortable for long periods and still time the pants off shots! But it is a H4L Devil that has a stupidly long middle and goes like an absolute train! And I think that it has been so well balanced that it does pick up beautifully!
Therefore I have decided that it is pointless stating that I'll only use a specific weight! My preference may be 2'10/2'11 but I am open minded and would never dismiss a bat totally until I actually pick it up (with batting gloves on) and see how it feels, preferably trying it in the nets if possible.
The above is a long and boring way of saying that pickup and feel are more important than dead weight in my book!
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I personally prefer the GM grading - power vs control for their pick up index. Anytime i pick up a GM bat with the pick up index marked 2 or 3, it works really well for me. When i check the weight of these bats they are in the 2lb9oz to 2lb11oz range, which is pretty much what i can handle.
Despite the pick up factor, i have noticed that an increased weight beyond my comfort range affects my square cut and pull. This makes me stick to dead weight within in my range. If its GM - i stick to 2lb10oz and pick up index 2 (this is pretty much what you get on a GM Six6). For all other brands - 2lb9oz is my preferred weight - if the retailer has a 2lb12oz bat and it picks up like 2lb9oz ... i am happy that it picks up lighter but i cannot handle that weight and i will look for other options.
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It's an interesting one isn't it? I think the biggest difference between Cricket Bats and Tennis racquets is the cross section of weights in the product. Typically, your tennis racquet varies between about 10 and 13 ounces (so 3oz, or 30% of the lightest). Cricket bats typically vary between 2lb 5oz and 3lb 5oz (16oz or 43% of the lightest).
Whilst it's an extreme statement to say that you could have a 3lb 5oz bat that picks up like a 2lb 5oz bat, you could infer this from the discussion about picking up lighter than it weighs.
We all know the reality is that heavier bat is a heavier bat and that will impact the ability to improve the pick-up, but as we have also discussed, as long as swing weight is a ratio (which is what the decimal system implies, and what my pick-up index also worked out) that takes dead weight into account, then there is no reason why that couldn't be the measure of a cricket bat.
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Been a very interesting read this thread.
IMO I have always stuck to what the dead weight is, taking also into consideration the extra weights of sheets and grips etc.
I do think this pick ups lighter than it is a bit up a selling pitch, yeah some bats do pick up better than others due to profile etc but IMO "pick up" is only small part of what I do with the bat
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Who was it had that Rav Bop GM?
That weighed a ton but picked up like a feather by all accounts. Funnily people got tired quickly when they used it...
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Who was it had that Rav Bop GM?
That weighed a ton but picked up like a feather by all accounts. Funnily people got tired quickly when they used it...
That was something that Pete had. It was well over 3lbs and all of us who used it in the nets, as users of 2lb 10oz roughly, were surprised at how well it picked up. Couldn't use it for toffee though as late on everything.
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I personally prefer the GM grading - power vs control for their pick up index. Anytime i pick up a GM bat with the pick up index marked 2 or 3, it works really well for me. When i check the weight of these bats they are in the 2lb9oz to 2lb11oz range, which is pretty much what i can handle.
Despite the pick up factor, i have noticed that an increased weight beyond my comfort range affects my square cut and pull. This makes me stick to dead weight within in my range. If its GM - i stick to 2lb10oz and pick up index 2 (this is pretty much what you get on a GM Six6). For all other brands - 2lb9oz is my preferred weight - if the retailer has a 2lb12oz bat and it picks up like 2lb9oz ... i am happy that it picks up lighter but i cannot handle that weight and i will look for other options.
Totally agree with this statement. I found this with my B3 TKC. On the drive I was fine and would cream it as the pickup was nice and light, as soon as the ball was short and I had to cut/pull I really struggled with the extra dead weight.
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Being a bit of a bat obsessive I currently have 3 Hell for Leather bats - it's not wrong, they are just that good!
A Devil, (basically a Hellfire) a Warbird and a Hattori all are 2:10 with a scuff, toe guard and 1 grip.
They are all the same weight but they all feel different in the hands
A bat is built to feel different depending on where you place the middle and if there are any counterbalances involved
Pick a weight that you feel comfortable with and allows you to get enough wood behind the ball and the select where your middle is depending on your style of batting and level you play (kinda connected)
My perfect approach tp to selecting a bat would spend some time with a bowling machine hitting their shots, identify how far up the bat they hit the ball and then select a custom bat accordingly. However, it is a bit OCD so perhaps not for everyone - I wish they would release the ball impact sheets in the UK.
However, I believe most will agree - if you can swing it and have good technique then you bat with anything including Rhubarb!
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The thing that confuses me is when people say a 2lb10oz bat "picks up like a 2lb8oz" and then the next bat they review/own actually weighs 2lb8oz and "picks up like a 2lb6oz" so does that mean in fact that the 2lb10oz bat picks up like a 2lb6oz? Like others have mentioned, no bat ever seems to be mentioned to pick up heavier than it's dead weight (or even it's actual weight for that matter) so does anyone know what a 2lb10oz bat is meant to feel like anymore?!
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The thing that confuses me is when people say a 2lb10oz bat "picks up like a 2lb8oz" and then the next bat they review/own actually weighs 2lb8oz and "picks up like a 2lb6oz" so does that mean in fact that the 2lb10oz bat picks up like a 2lb6oz? Like others have mentioned, no bat ever seems to be mentioned to pick up heavier than it's dead weight (or even it's actual weight for that matter) so does anyone know what a 2lb10oz bat is meant to feel like anymore?!
very true..... surely it's the middle position of the bat. If you look the IJC videos,which are informative, and the hell for leather reviews certain bats pick up lighter than the dead weight. These are normally bats with higher middles...that's the only way than can pick up lighter :)
bats like the M and H( :o) Amplus-the middle is pretty high, picking up my mates at 2 lb 13oz it's the same as a lower middle positioned 2lb 10 oz bat.
if the toe of the bat is fairly thin, this can help the bat seemed lighter than it is.
so I reckon it's only the middle position of the bat and nowt else.....
good thread thou !
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A Bow also helps give a lighter pick up.
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A Bow also helps give a lighter pick up.
I'm probably just being thick, but I've never really understood how that works.
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I'm probably just being thick, but I've never really understood how that works.
me neither.... i'm often told this is the case can't say ive noticed any difference in a bowed bat or non bowed bat....
Ive learnt more on this forum about bats in 3 years than in the previous 30 ! :)
someone will be wheeling me out to the wicket about 82 and i'll be shouting ''I KNOW IT ALL YOU HEAR ME SONNY!'' 'now...help me take guard here young man'
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I'm probably just being thick, but I've never really understood how that works.
If the blade length remains the same, it doesn't.
Interesting other example for you on one reason why I think high middle nats that pick up better are a bad idea for those of us who don't use high middle bats anyway:
Squash racquets are usually grouped in two ways - weight distribution and shape, weight being either head heavy or head light and the two common shape types designed for either power or control. Last time I changed racquet it was from two almost identical shapes with the same head size (which affects power). The first one was head light, with most of the weight of the racquet higher up towards your hand. The second one was way lighter (100g rather than 140g irrc), but designed so that all of the weight is in the head of the racquet, because that's where you're hitting the ball. Same shape, close enough to the same price, essentially the same materials, one bottom heavy and one that picked up like a dream. I hit the ball WAY harder with the bottom heavy one.
Bought some bats that had more weight low in the blade than I usually had before and discovered exactly the same, which makes sense - for all the talk about middle position etc, weight behind the ball is king. So for those of us who don't happen to hit the ball high up the blade all the time, high middles are daft. No point having that extra weight in your bat if you're not using it. Shouldn't be a surprise really, it's exactly how a mongoose works. Or a sledgehammer.
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My belief is that because you hands seem forward of the blade bowed bats seem to pick up better, similar to a handle set forward.
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A Bow also helps give a lighter pick up.
Don't get @The Doctor started on this again ;)
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Skip is correct : A curve of the blade from the top of the blade to the toe enhances the position of the hands which is essential for. Alight pick up.
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Skip is correct : A curve of the blade from the top of the blade to the toe enhances the position of the hands which is essential for. Alight pick up.
So, to clarify, if you had 2 bats of the same weight and profile, but one had a mahoosive bow while the other was dead straight, the bowed one should "pickup/feel" lighter?
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Once I used a bowed bat, I could never play with a flatty again. There is something so easy about a bowed bat plus lofted shots are just awesome!
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So, to clarify, if you had 2 bats of the same weight and profile, but one had a mahoosive bow while the other was dead straight, the bowed one should "pickup/feel" lighter?
Yes
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Once I used a bowed bat, I could never play with a flatty again. There is something so easy about a bowed bat plus lofted shots are just awesome!
Your right that's another reason for the bow
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Yes
How is this possible - both bats are the same length right?
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I prefer flatties - only Robin Hood needs a bow.
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A nice gentle bow
Feels better in the stance
Not sure about hitting over the top and all that,
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None of that bothers me, if I can select about around 2'10-2'12 then that's fine you can do a lot of things to distribute the weight: you can add another grip which makes the bat seem lighter as there's more weight in the handle which makes you think the bat picks up better, the position of the middle can allow the bat to seem lighter as the weight isn't all in the lower third of the bat but all in all the bat still weights the same so it should be an issue, all in all of the bat feels amazing in your hands the first time you pick it up then that's what you go off
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How is this possible - both bats are the same length right?
The one has a bow
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For me, pick up used to be really important in buying a bat - I never really used to weigh my bats just pick them up and think this feels good or blimey this is heavy, however having bought 2 bats above my weight range because they both pick up lighter has led me to stop this practice because as pointed out it does hinder you in a longer innings and to an extent messed with my technique.
Now I realise I am going to stick to a weight range of 2.8-2.9 and no heavier because otherwise I struggle.
I personally think this whole bow thing is BS but I don't really know the science - just speaking from anecdotal evidence
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Despite the pick up factor, i have noticed that an increased weight beyond my comfort range affects my square cut and pull. This makes me stick to dead weight within in my range. If its GM - i stick to 2lb10oz and pick up index 2 (this is pretty much what you get on a GM Six6). For all other brands - 2lb9oz is my preferred weight - if the retailer has a 2lb12oz bat and it picks up like 2lb9oz ... i am happy that it picks up lighter but i cannot handle that weight and i will look for other options.
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This reflects my experience - a light pick up helps for straight bat shots, but once you need to change the plane of travel, (ie go for a horizontal bat shot) the actual weight is felt and a heavier bat makes my shot that bit slower. I am not paranoid about deadweight to the nearest half oz, but do struggle if a bat is 2 or 3 oz above my usual weight, whatever the pick up.
David
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Also find a light bat helps the cut pull and hook shots
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I think you are all talking nonsence and trying to add to much science (and ruining the magic)
Its all done by bat making wizardy. I best bat ive ever owned is a 2 8oz salix. Middle like nothing else and was made out of balsa wood. Id tried at least ten bats to replace it.
Last year i got a tax rebate on the same day my son was born. I could have bought a high chair or a car seat but i bought a cricket bat. It is 2 12oz. I was convinced i couldnt use it all season, even though it has my sons nickname etched into the shoulders. I then told myself to stop being a fool and give it another go. Hit over 150 runs not out in last two innings. No muscle fatigue, no limitation of shots. I cut and pulled everything. Just a bat made with a bit of magic and a change of mindset and it scored me all those runs.
Bows, weights, bat speeds. Your forgetting the magic these bat makers have. Stop ruining it with your measurements and physics.
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Please tell us who made this bat I need to place an order.
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I always used to advocate for pick-up, however after using @petehosk H4L devil which was 2-13(?) I discovered that my stock arms just couldn't take it, especially after being bowled twice by @WalkingWicket37 😖
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I always used to advocate for pick-up, however after using @petehosk H4L devil which was 2-13(?) I discovered that my stock arms just couldn't take it, especially after being bowled twice by @WalkingWicket37 😖
He's finally admitted it happened! :D
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He's finally admitted it happened! :D
He's still not uploaded the video though!
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The video no longer exists
My old excuse was the dodgy computer, well that finally blew up but it has the video on it so it's lost