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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: WalkingWicket37 on July 11, 2016, 10:18:02 PM
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Hi Al
Being the selfish git I am I only recorded myself batting in the CBF net yesterday (restricted by limited memory and battery in the camera).
My camera actually stopped recording after 9 minutes so I have lost most of the footage I thought I'd recorded :(
Here is the footage of me "bating" against the bowling machine.
I've hardly faced a ball this season, and it shows...
https://youtu.be/WGzBhpctJ_Q
I need to edit the footage of me facing actual bowlers and I'll upload that at some point in the future.
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Having just watched this back for the first time myself I cas see straight away my foot movement is poor to non existent. Not batting for 4 weeks doesn't seem to do my technique any good!
I can now see I need to net more often and get my feet moving again. I'm just hoping there's no more heavy rain to flood my clubs outdoor nets...
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You look a little stiff. Too a point nothing looks natural.
It's like you've read lots and lots of coaching books and implemented everything.
Ready and
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2
Back lift
3
4
Bend knees.
Keep bat straight.
Play late under nose.
Hold the pose
5
6
And reset.
It may be hard if you've been doing that for a long time, but try and have a net where your not thinking. Take a random starting stance and just play naturally at everything and see what comes.
Oh and change your grip set up.
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Don't beat yourself up mate
You batted fine against us lot
Only thing I kinda remember is, you tended to get tied up with balls pitching leg ish
Anything on off stick was put away
Maybe open your stance, or bat on leg stick?
I'm no coach, so I'm sure there's a lot more constructive advice out there
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You look a little stiff. Too a point nothing looks natural.
It's like you've read lots and lots of coaching books and implemented everything.
Ready and
1
2
Back lift
3
4
Bend knees.
Keep bat straight.
Play late under nose.
Hold the pose
5
6
And reset.
It may be hard if you've been doing that for a long time, but try and have a net where your not thinking. Take a random starting stance and just play naturally at everything and see what comes.
Oh and change your grip set up.
Having not batted for 4 weeks nothing felt natural!
I haven't actually looked at any additional coaching material, I am just trying to implement the advice given to me by @Buzz
On the contrary to having a "don't think net" this video has helped me identify that my feet aren't moving. I'd be better off (in my opinion, anyway) having a net where I lead with my head to try and get my feet moving, rather than pressing at the ball.
And what about this video makes you think I need to change my grip setup?
Don't beat yourself up mate
You batted fine against us lot
Only thing I kinda remember is, you tended to get tied up with balls pitching leg ish
Anything on off stick was put away
Maybe open your stance, or bat on leg stick?
I'm no coach, so I'm sure there's a lot more constructive advice out there
Looking back at the video I wasn't moving my feet at all. Anything on or outside off I could hit just backing my hands and eyes. Anything on leg I was getting stuck on the crease and in a tangle round my front pad.
I think it's a fairly simple tweak. Move my effing feet instead of standing like a statue and I'll find it easier.
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Again only my thoughts,
The thing is with the bowling machines, there are no triggers for seeing the ball
You have so little time to react and get in position
I struggled like owt, ended up with the machine on 50mph
The second go I had, I just played a shot knowing the ball was going to be there
You'd never get that with a bowler on grass wickets.
Facing a bowler you have so much more time to pick the ball etc
Forgot to say, the moving feet thing, try and lead with your head
It's the same with most ball sports, to get the clean contact and ultimately the power , the head has to lead and hopefully be over the ball
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My theory Cammy is this
Do you enjoy cricket at the minute.
Would your enjoyment improve if you scored a few more runs ??
If so leave off buying kit for a while get a few one on ones and I suspect a lot of your issues will be sorted.
You have a few basic errors which could be fixed easily I think.
But if your happy with cricket don't worry and keep enjoying
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My theory Cammy is this
Do you enjoy cricket at the minute.
Would your enjoyment improve if you scored a few more runs ??
If so leave off buying kit for a while get a few one on ones and I suspect a lot of your issues will be sorted.
You have a few basic errors which could be fixed easily I think.
But if your happy with cricket don't worry and keep enjoying
Ironically it's since I had a one to one with my clubs head coach I've not been able to get bat on ball! Worse £30 I've ever spent cricket wise :(
I've spotted the biggest issue, so as I said above and Northern suggested, I'll have a net where I lead with my head to see if things improve.
As far as enjoyment goes, I'm a bowler who likes to bat. After breaking my thumb and not being able to play due to illness at the start of the season, then the crap weather causing fixtures to be cancelled I'm just glad to get a game! I'm bowling alright at the moment so (other than not winning any games!) I'm enjoying my cricket. A few runs would be nice, but so would a lottery win!
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One strange trait I noticed is that you bend your legs in your stance and when the ball is delivered, but then at the point of impact you pop straight back up again, every time! So regardless of type of delivery or shot, you're pretty much standing bolt upright at the moment you hit the ball. So I'd agree you look like you're forcing it a bit, especially as you don't seem to have any backlift or backswing to speak of? So maybe just having a relaxed net would be a good move, try and get some more natural feeling into your batting?
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Your biggest issue is your movement away from the ball pal
Your head can't lead because you move towards square leg.
You start with your stance and move backwards.
Watch you back leg it shouldn't move towards square leg.
Yes I'm a massive fan of head movement and shoulder alignment but you need to get in line for the head tilt to work
Biggest issue with coaching is it not a quick fix and the issue sometimes results wise will get worst before they get better.
Had a few sessions couple with mr Palmer and various others sometimes it does get worst before it gets better.
Anyway you seem to be enjoying what you do so fair play to you buddy.
Hell what do I know about batting hopefully be down south very soon so always up for a net
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I had a 1-2-1 with a ex-Middlesex opener and coach and in 1 hour he improved my technique no end by a couple of tiny tweaks!
I have been taking a large step and therefore being too upright anotd n able to get my head over the ball. And also it meant I was pushing at the ball and playing uppish as I was too upright. Also I was getting in line too early which didn't account for any swing which would be a problem when trying to play a high quality bowler like Brucie who swings it round corners ;)
Also lost balance easily!
All he did was ensured that I shortened my step, dipped my shoulder and led with my head. The difference it made was incredible! I was also a little too open so he sorted that out too. All in all, it may not make a blind bit of difference to my poor form this season but I guess I will find out soon enough!
Cam - I suspect that you could do the same mate. One hour with a decent coach would help immensely although I do rather like your upright and elegant style! Very W.G Grace Sir!!!! ;)
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And cam, please don't post owt of my agricultural northern slogging
I don't think I'd ever put pads on again, if I saw how I bat!ha
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Who am I to have an opinion here - I'm a bowler! However, if you watch the video it is noticeable how still the bloke next to you is - perhaps you have the same as me, too many moving parts before contact? I find it easier to hit a moving target if I'm not moving also!
Good luck mate
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I had noticed the straightening of the legs and my back leg going to square leg.
They're both caused by the same thing, that concrete front leg! As my front foot was planted I had to get myself into a position to hit the ball round it wherever it was delivered. Simple fix - move my front leg...
I hate facing the bowling machine at the best of times, but it has really highlighted the above issues which I can now work on.
Thanks for all the feedback, I have taken all (okay, most of it!) on board and will work on the highlighted points. I'll try and get some more footage so you can see if by some miracle I've improved. ;)
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I had noticed the straightening of the legs and my back leg going to square leg.
They're both caused by the same thing, that concrete front leg! As my front foot was planted I had to get myself into a position to hit the ball round it wherever it was delivered. Simple fix - move my front leg...
I hate facing the bowling machine at the best of times, but it has really highlighted the above issues which I can now work on.
Thanks for all the feedback, I have taken all (okay, most of it!) on board and will work on the highlighted points. I'll try and get some more footage so you can see if by some miracle I've improved. ;)
Just on the foot movement, I think the back foot is more important as it acts as a non-committal trigger. It can be back and across or just back or just across but will help you to be ready to press forward with the front foot or play back foot shots square of the wicket. At the moment you're playing square shots off a fixed front foot. I try and move my back foot as the bowler runs in getting me ready to make a decision on the line/length of the ball.
Sorry for the contrarian/confusing view. I just find when I concentrate on the front foot I can over-commit and play round the pad and/or get trapped in front.
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Just on the foot movement, I think the back foot is more important as it acts as a non-committal trigger. It can be back and across or just back or just across but will help you to be ready to press forward with the front foot or play back foot shots square of the wicket. At the moment you're playing square shots off a fixed front foot. I try and move my back foot as the bowler runs in getting me ready to make a decision on the line/length of the ball.
Sorry for the contrarian/confusing view. I just find when I concentrate on the front foot I can over-commit and play round the pad and/or get trapped in front.
Having been advised against a trigger movement this would feel like I was taking a backward step (pardon the pun) :-[
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Camelot.....
not going to offer any tech advice you already have plenty. If it's just practice you want we can go again, any number of top forum members with us, large or small numbers, and just practice.....
from what I've seen in my opinion there's nothing that cannot be sorted out.
So basically if you think you will benefit the offer is there. :)
all you really need to ask yourself is are you happy with the technique recommended to you, if YES, crack on and more work practising. If NO, it's time for a re-think......
Batting ain't easy, anyone who tells you otherwise is a numpty.
:)
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Having been advised against a trigger movement this would feel like I was taking a backward step (pardon the pun) :-[
Very good...... :)
Really a trigger movement is just about preparation and foot movement, at the moment you flex your knees as a kind of trigger but it doesn't help to align you with the ball. I think people can get carried away with the whole trigger thing but generally moving your back foot will help your poise and balance. I'll shut up now as there is little worse than hearing too many different voices/opinions......
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Camelot.....
not going to offer any tech advice you already have plenty. If it's just practice you want we can go again, any number of top forum members with us, large or small numbers, and just practice.....
:)
I'm up for this!! OMG, I've just seen some videos of me batting on You Tube, and it's a real eye-opener to see yourself from that perspective. For some of us, I suspect a couple of small adjustments such as getting head and front foot across would be a big help.
For some of us - there may be no hope! :)
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You and me both - just been watching me trying to bat too. Went on walkabouts loads!!
So much wrong but at least having a record now is a good starting point. Then would be interesting to see how things change with a couple of 1-2-1 coaching sessions!!
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The link hasn't "gone live" yet but I have lazily edited the footage of me batting against the real bowlers.
I have edited out the wides (including one from @Batbuddy99 that went into the side netting!)
I have also taken out my attempts at reverse sweeps and ramp shots, they're fun to try in the nets but I won't do it in a game so I don't need any critique on those!
I also took out the footage of me being bowled twice in 2 balls by @FattusCattus and @Northern monkey. Both times I decided it was going for 12 before they ran in, so I ran past the ball and moved a lot of air with a huge heave, unfortunately I missed the ball both times! Lesson learned, don't pre-meditate, so again no critique needed. There is also an element of "because if there's no video evidence it never happened" in my choice to omit that bit! ;)
https://youtu.be/PDXpeiScg3w
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(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd414/skipper1973/jertsy.jpg) (http://s1218.photobucket.com/user/skipper1973/media/jertsy.jpg.html)
That's got to be Jertsy Balowski batting in the other net?
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Cammy, I actually think this is a great deal better than your orginal video, more foot movement and more decisive shots.
I would say to the slower bowlers on middle/middle-off use the crease instead of having a concrete backfoot and play straighter rather than letting the bottom hand come into play.
Outside off, get that elbow high and transfer your weight slightly more. Still have your head slightly leant back.
You played alot better of your legs and hips from about 12 minutes in and your defense came out a few times too.
Keep going mate!
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The link hasn't "gone live" yet but I have lazily edited the footage of me batting against the real bowlers.
I have edited out the wides (including one from @Batbuddy99 that went into the side netting!)
I have also taken out my attempts at reverse sweeps and ramp shots, they're fun to try in the nets but I won't do it in a game so I don't need any critique on those!
I also took out the footage of me being bowled twice in 2 balls by @FattusCattus and @Northern monkey. Both times I decided it was going for 12 before they ran in, so I ran past the ball and moved a lot of air with a huge heave, unfortunately I missed the ball both times! Lesson learned, don't pre-meditate, so again no critique needed. There is also an element of "because if there's no video evidence it never happened" in my choice to omit that bit! ;)
https://youtu.be/PDXpeiScg3w
Yeah - that's right, edit my fabulous wicket-taking benders out why don't you!!!
I tried watching your batting, but after a few minutes, my eyes were naturally drawn to the tall, handsome, ever so slightly balding figure in the net next door. He seemed to float on a cloud, all effortless grace and rapier-like strokes, like a right-handed David Gower, a batting Adonis whom women want to be with and men just want to be.
It would be better if you edited him out so that you didn't suffer by comparison :D
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I never had you down as a fabulous bender @FattusCattus :D
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Yeah - that's right, edit my fabulous wicket-taking benders out why don't you!!!
I tried watching your batting, but after a few minutes, my eyes were naturally drawn to the tall, handsome, ever so slightly balding figure in the net next door. He seemed to flout on a cloud, all effortless grace and rapier-like strokes, like a right-handed David Gower, a batting Adonis whom women want to be with and men just want to be.
It would be better if you edited him out so that you didn't suffer by comparison :D
Yes, @ppccopener was batting well in the first video I posted.
Try watching the one I've posted more recently where I'm facing actual bowlers, it's only you facing the machine next door so there are no distractions ;)
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Not sure if there's a coach at eversley, maybe we could incorporate that next time?
Watching that second film, I look a fat old git :-(
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that's a great idea Northern, you want tips to help you hit it even harder right? :)
let's see if there is a coach there, if it helps anyone for the next session it will be worth it.
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there are coaches available at Eversley, don't know how much or the availability of them but the are there.....
:)
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Looking at this video, you have broken the forum rules of I my having half volleys from the bowling machine. How dare you.
Also, in cam's defence, he is undergoing a massive technical change and is only mid way through it bedding in.
No he doesn't look like Mark Ramprakash yet, but he looks a load better than the lad who could only moo the ball over cow where he was 2 months ago.