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Title: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Woodyspin on July 24, 2016, 08:37:39 PM
So in the nets this year ive picked up the short ball really well of the quicks.

However today and yesterday been out twice on the same track, the ball being on me too quick and being caught, splicing it. In hind sight i should have tried to hook them but with a total to chase at around 5/6 an over the mindset was to hit everything i felt like i had that opportunity.

Any advice on not getting out like this again? I would like to be able to hit those shots eventually so some training ideas would be good also, i had thought about tennis balls at 85 on a short length from the bowling machine just to get use to picking it up quicker?
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on July 24, 2016, 08:46:50 PM
Sometimes it's just luck. I am good against the short ball and can hit balls on a machine at decent speed but managed to get out hooking yesterday. Just happens
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Woodyspin on July 24, 2016, 08:52:28 PM
Hmm maybe I'm just backing myself too much, if i know they are quickish maybe leave the really short ones alone? I dont know...
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on July 24, 2016, 08:53:50 PM
Hmm maybe I'm just backing myself too much, if i know they are quickish maybe leave the really short ones alone? I dont know...

Put it away until you're in. Don't be a happy hooker
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: ElPerro on July 24, 2016, 10:02:00 PM
If there's no third man try the uppercut over the slips, because it's more of a guide and less of a full swing it should be easier to control
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Woodyspin on July 24, 2016, 10:25:36 PM
Problem is picking the length quick enough to be in position i think, i know its short but cant get into position quickly and it beats me for pace.
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Jlscarroll17 on July 24, 2016, 11:24:58 PM
I normally wait until I'm use to the pace of the wicket as the pull shot is my best shot, so the way I approach it is to get use to the pace of the wicket and see what the bounce is like and then once I'm in I'll take it on whenever the ball is short enough to do so
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Churchy1989 on July 25, 2016, 11:13:29 AM
Problem is picking the length quick enough to be in position i think, i know its short but cant get into position quickly and it beats me for pace.

I feel the best solution is to buy a new bat! must be your bats fault!  ;)
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Woodyspin on July 25, 2016, 06:36:02 PM
I feel the best solution is to buy a new bat! must be your bats fault!  ;)

funny that i bought one on friday!
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Churchy1989 on July 25, 2016, 08:52:04 PM
funny that i bought one on friday!

Don't tease me!

What you got?
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Woodyspin on July 25, 2016, 09:24:57 PM
Don't tease me!

What you got?

Hellfire LB, and as per forum rules it doesn't exist yet as i have no pictures because it literally doesn't exist. I'm waiting for Matt to make it and Jake to knock it in!
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: edge on July 25, 2016, 10:49:48 PM
Pro's not wrong, don't go after them til you're feeling in! If you're smashing the short ball in the nets then I doubt there's much a technical problem as net surfaces are usually quicker/bouncier than a proper wicket, but sometimes it just isn't worth the risk taking the short ball on. The pull shot is easily my strongest and most productive, but I've played games where against certain bowlers on a quick track I've had to just get out the way of the short ball as it's too risky with the field set. As soon as you figure out a bowler is going to be banging it it, weigh up your options for shots you can play - if you can't find a shot you're happy with then just get out of the way, as I'm sure you know the bowler will go back to bowling full pretty quickly if you don't look bothered by the short ones!

As far as drills go, the best I've heard suggested is aiming the machine in short and standing down the pitch so that you're playing it as a full length, then gradually moving where you stand backwards until you're at the crease as normal and happily playing the short ball you've adjusted to.
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Boondougal on July 26, 2016, 07:59:16 AM
So in the nets this year ive picked up the short ball really well of the quicks.

However today and yesterday been out twice on the same track, the ball being on me too quick and being caught, splicing it. In hind sight i should have tried to hook them but with a total to chase at around 5/6 an over the mindset was to hit everything i felt like i had that opportunity.

Any advice on not getting out like this again? I would like to be able to hit those shots eventually so some training ideas would be good also, i had thought about tennis balls at 85 on a short length from the bowling machine just to get use to picking it up quicker?

I'm not sure i would be using a tennis ball, i would have thought the characteristics of the bounce would train you into an un realistic expectation.

I think you have had some good advice and the last drill suggested seems really good.
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Woodyspin on July 26, 2016, 09:10:18 AM
I'm not sure i would be using a tennis ball, i would have thought the characteristics of the bounce would train you into an un realistic expectation.

I think you have had some good advice and the last drill suggested seems really good.

Well i had done it a few years ago, at a quick enough speed the bounce in a short space isnt 'tennis ball like' (ironic right?). but this was with a qualified coach down at Sussex. and thought maybe someone else had tried similar?

im trying to visualize that drill but struggling, either of you find a video that replicates this?
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: tom line on July 26, 2016, 09:38:28 AM
Saw a video of England training a while back against the short ball. You'd have a batsmen and then a coach about 15 yards from the batsmen who'd hit the tennis balls with a tennis racquet into the pitch, but the halls were dropped in water first so they were a bit heavier and dampened the bounce a bit making it more realistic. Might be worth a try with your net/wet weather bat of course
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Biggie Smalls on July 26, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
I use cricket tennis balls (harder , heavier than regular tennis balls) with my bowling machine when practicing short balls . They have a similar effect to wetting a normal tennis ball bounce wise . I use Vicky , but I've also tried Costco ....g.m make a similar ball called the 'g.m 1st ball' and that's a goodun - must remember to get some more of those soon .
The tennis racquet drill mentioned also works really well though too .
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Woodyspin on August 13, 2016, 09:36:28 PM
So after a few weeks off batting in the 1st team, i made a point of taking our tall bowlers on the hardest deck on the square (that i was allowed on!) and got them to pepper me with ball after ball and surprise me with the full one so i wasnt sitting on the back foot. Took a couple in the ribs, arm and many other places before i started picking the lengths and lines well.

Today we had a half decent bowler that touched 70, i only say half decent as to a number 8 batsman that stands 6'4 tall he mist have bowled 2 at the stumps, the rest were bouncers!! I ducked (which ive never done before) left on length and even flicked off my hips, scaring short leg with how well i was timing it for him to move back into the slips. All in all i didnt try and over hit anything i didnt feel comfortable with and picked the lengths really easily, just shows what practice can actually do!  :D
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: ppccopener on August 13, 2016, 10:29:34 PM
Good news Woody keep it up.
Ive never met a cricketer than does not improve by practising in some form or another.
Title: Re: Out to the short ball?
Post by: Woodyspin on August 13, 2016, 10:50:55 PM
Cheers mate, im actually really please with the duck and 1 leave i picked really early raised my arms to leave it and it kept rising so i pretty much had to do a little jump to make sure my hands were nowhere near it. Im quite proud i watched the ball wiz past my nose instead of closing my eyes and swatting at it