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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: smilley792 on August 14, 2016, 02:27:40 PM
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So who travels. And who doesn't?
Finn just pulled a hammy so he may not travel?
Vince probably shouldn't travel.
Ballance and hales could go either way?
Extra spinners. Rashid will travel, ansari, Patel or Dawson. Who's the third??
Team I'd pick for first game
Cook
Lyth
Root
Ballance
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Anderson.
Squad
Broad
Patel
Bell
Wood
I also predict I'll be very wrong.
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Jason Roy I think needs a mention, I would pick him ahead of vince. Also although I don't particularly rate hales in test match cricket I'd rather see him then go back to lyth.
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Here goes... Lots of controversy here...
cook
Hales
Root
Moeen
Bairstow
Stokes
Ansari
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Broad
Anderson
Plus foakes as spare keeper.
Then ballance as the spare batter
No idea who the spare bowlers would be.
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When do they leave for India? I thought it was later towards the end of the year so Finn should recover
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Cook
Moeen (fight me)
Root
Borthwick
Stokes
Bairstow
Ansari
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
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I'd like to see something along the lines of
Cook*
Ansari
Borthwick
Root
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow+
Woakes
Broad
Wood
Anderson
Not sure who will seriously be in contention for a place on the plane would be, but there's a few options for squad players.
Dawson
Patel
Roy
Hales
Buttler
Foakes
Rashid
Ball
Roland Jones
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Cook
Hales
Borthwick
Root
Moeen
Stokes
Bairstow
Ansari
Woakes
Rashid
Anderson
8 bowling options and batting down to 10.
I actually think England will do ok .
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Root proves himself at 3 and people still think he's better at 4?
I'd like to see YJB at 4 I think, stokes 5 and Mo 6. Can't decide whether YJB could keep the gloves there, or if we should get AN other keeper in. Woakes 8, Rashid 9, Broad 10, Jimmy 11
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Here goes... Lots of controversy here...
cook
Hales
Root
Moeen
Bairstow
Stokes
Ansari
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Broad
Anderson
Plus foakes as spare keeper.
Then ballance as the spare batter
No idea who the spare bowlers would be.
It would be controversial if they fielded 12! But not a million miles from the squad I'd like to see selected.
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True, but I was writing out a 15 man squad and gave up!
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Surprised so many keep leaving Broad out! Broad/Woakes/Anderson are a given regardless.
Personally I'm expecting it to be:
Cook
Hales
Root
Borthwick
Stokes
Bairstow
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
2 spinners (+ Root/Borthwick), 3 seamers and supposedly bat through to 9 (although not convinced by Rashid's batting or his bowling but we haven't really got any other options)
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Cook
Gubbins/Hameed/Burns
Root
Borthwick/Ansari
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
And making up the 15: Roy, Ballance, Foakes/Simpson, Wood.
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Listening to the Bayliss interview after the test match today it almost sounds like he took a mini dig at Borthwick, when he mentioned picking people who were getting runs at the right time, so maybe he's further down the pecking order than we think?
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Get Hameed Haseeb in, he should travel at least. Absolute gun
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We need to be realistic heading to Bangladesh and India. Most on here seem to have ignored/underestimated Bangladesh. They've improved massively in the last two years and aren't a gimme in home conditions.
James Anderson, since his shoulder stress fracture, has been nothing more than medium pace. We can't afford to carry a single player if we want to achieve satisfactory results eg avoid we drubbed in India. If Anderson isn't bowling full tilt he doesn't play.
Stuart Broad has a dreadful record in India as well but he has that x factor so I'd pick Broad over Anderson.
Picking Moeen Ali, Scott Borthwick and Zafar Ansari won't get the job done. Average spinners get mauled in Asia.
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Picking Moeen Ali, Scott Borthwick and Zafar Ansari won't get the job done. Average spinners get mauled in Asia.
Very easy to state what's wrong - trying putting it right by suggesting who should play in their place?
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Anyone got Monty's number?
I'm most worried about making enough runs, rather than taking wickets. Broad, Anderson and Stokes bowl very good cutters.
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Anyone got Monty's number?
Monty would have to be good enough to get in Northamptonshire's first XI first? I rate Gareth Batty as the best spin bowler in the country.
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Panesar is due to spend the winter in Australia
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A team similar to Buzz's.
Cook
Hales
Root
Ali
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Rashid/ Batty
Broad
Anderson
Does anyone know if Ben Foakes was practising with England at The Oval? He's not playing in Surrey's current match and Sky showed him in the crowd. Also I spotted Bruce French at Surrey's game at Lord's last week - strange because England were at Edgbaston.
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Foakes has some kind of illness/injury. Also if you take the gloves off Bairstow you take a huge chunk out of his confidence which will have an effect on his batting. His keeping this series has improved and I don't see Bayliss making that change either.
Also I still can't help but feel the tour of Bangladesh will get called off
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Also I still can't help but feel the tour of Bangladesh will get called off
It'll end up being played in the UAE, amazed they haven't moved it already to be honest!
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Foakes has some kind of illness/injury. Also if you take the gloves off Bairstow you take a huge chunk out of his confidence which will have an effect on his batting. His keeping this series has improved and I don't see Bayliss making that change either.
Also I still can't help but feel the tour of Bangladesh will get called off
Thanks for clearing that up. It was pure speculation - badly informed, it seems!
I know where you are coming from in saying it would be dangerous to knock Bairstow's confidence. But I have also heard it said that Bayliss likes the best gloveman.
I'm surprised Buttler is off so many people's radar.
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BCB are adamant they won't move it. If anything I don't mind too much if it gives our test players an extended break.
Strauss is sacking the selectors as well, right?
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Interestingly, a few weeks ago I overheard a conversation in which several Yorkshire players were telling their new overseas, Travis Head, that Andrew Hodd was widely regarded as the third best gloveman on the county circuit (behind Foster and Read).
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A team similar to Buzz's.
Cook
Hales
Root
Ali
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Rashid/ Batty
Broad
Anderson
Does anyone know if Ben Foakes was practising with England at The Oval? He's not playing in Surrey's current match and Sky showed him in the crowd. Also I spotted Bruce French at Surrey's game at Lord's last week - strange because England were at Edgbaston.
I can hardly wait for that middle order. What wonderful lyricism it shall have!
Hodd is a good glovem an. I think he wears unbranded custom gloves which must be a good sign. Can't bat though.
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From what I read and heard from Bayliss he wanted butler in as a batsman for this series, he didn't get his way so maybe there will be some reshuffling of the selectors roles. Jos got injured anyway...
Sounds like Bayliss thinks butler is so talented he could play alongside bairstow in the same team.
I still think at least one of the batsmen will make way for him (in the tests)
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I can hardly wait for that middle order. What wonderful lyricism it shall have!
Hodd is a good glovem an. I think he wears unbranded custom gloves which must be a good sign. Can't bat though.
Without wishing to jump the gun, I did alert people to the possibility of this rhyming loveliness happening, some time ago.
I had noticed Hodd's gloves. Who makes them?
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My team
Cook
Duckett
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Ansari
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Take Butler, Wood, Jennings, Northeast, samit
Won't need more than five seamers in Asia. Might as well play a load of allrounders as are, specialist batsman are useless (ballance/vince/hales) and if we have to take some then give youth a chance, nothing to lose. Added Samit to my list as he's gone OK with the ball and has got some runs in Asia. If they prepare square turners then even Samit might get it off the straight!
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Very easy to state what's wrong - trying putting it right by suggesting who should play in their place?
Simon Kerrigan and Gareth Batty. Kerrigan spins the ball more than India's SLA Jadeja. Batty is a wily and crafty veteran and he's never gonna back down from anyone.
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My team
Cook
Duckett
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Ansari
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Take Butler, Wood, Jennings, Northeast, samit
Won't need more than five seamers in Asia. Might as well play a load of allrounders as are, specialist batsman are useless (ballance/vince/hales) and if we have to take some then give youth a chance, nothing to lose. Added Samit to my list as he's gone OK with the ball and has got some runs in Asia. If they prepare square turners then even Samit might get it off the straight!
Stokes is a shocking player of spin bowling as he showed when we went to the Caribbean. He's shouldn't be up at 5. Probably Moeen deserves to bat at 5 after how he played Shah(although Shah isn't a big turner).
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It would interesting to see English batting line up for Asia tour. Waiting to see who stays and who goes ...
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Why do people not like Bell? He is a class act, and is WAAAY better than Hales, Balance, Lyth, Vince, Compton put together. So what if he's not "young"?
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Why do people not like Bell? He is a class act, and is WAAAY better than Hales, Balance, Lyth, Vince, Compton put together. So what if he's not "young"?
Bell can't play spin...bit of a problem when India will be serving up sandpiits
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Bell can't play spin...bit of a problem when India will be serving up sandpiits
The rest can't play spin or bog standard test bowling either though 🏏🏏🏏🏏
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The rest can't play spin or bog standard test bowling either though 🏏🏏🏏🏏
Yawn...
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Bell can't play spin...bit of a problem when India will be serving up sandpiits
for someone who 'can't play spin' he has got an awful lot of test runs. Yes he can be a frustrating player and I know he had a very bad run prior to being dropped.
You can only pick the best available, if your looking for a middle order player and your choice is Bell,Vince or Balance which one would you pick?
maybe he could open in place of the Goon(Hales)
we need to get away from he's too old in this Country....god knows Pakistan just showed us the way, i'm with @brokenbat
:) :)
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Yawn...
Remind me how well England bat? Yawn as much as you like but it's true. Accept it
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for someone who 'can't play spin' he has got an awful lot of test runs. Yes he can be a frustrating player and I know he had a very bad run prior to being dropped.
You can only pick the best available, if your looking for a middle order player and your choice is Bell,Vince or Balance which one would you pick?
maybe he could open in place of the Goon(Hales)
we need to get away from he's too old in this Country....god knows Pakistan just showed us the way, i'm with @brokenbat
:) :)
Scoring 'a lot of Test runs' isn't the discussion. We are going to play on square turners and Bell's been exposed in those conditions far too many times already.
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mine
Cook
Hales (not sure who is out there that is better but not convinced he is long term solution0
Rooooooooooooooooot
Borthwick
Moeen
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Anderson
Broad
Or
Cook
Hales
Root
Bairstow
moeen
stokes
butler
woakes
Rashid
Anderson
Broad
Good options for spin and seam
maybe take Bell for cover as he is doing ok and not many out performing him in CC
Take wood as cover depending on fitness
Maybe one of these young spinners as seen a few young leggies about but can't remember their names
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I think Daniel Bell-Drummond should be a serious contender for the openers berth. Granted he plays in the unfavourable div2 but DBD has been improving all the time. The biggest thing in DBD favour is he's an actual opening batsman. And he showed last summer against the touring Australians he can mix it with the big boy. His rapid 126 after a first innings duck was incredible. At 23 years old he could easily secure the openers berth for the 10-12 years.
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'Why won't England pick Alex Hales?' and all that..
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1. Cook
2. Hales (not a fan of his visit to the officials mid game, but he may enjoy flatter tracks and we'll know by the end of the winter if he's cut out - just about done enough for me)
3. Root
4. Bell (No ones stood up and demanded to be picked. Bell is a known quantity - proven test quality player and surely that's what we're looking for? A better bet than Vince or Ballance - he'd have scored more runs than both this summer. Why throw new younger players in if you're not sure they're ready? If you think they are great, if not, take 2 or 3 for the trip and the experience. At least by the end of the tour you'll know if Bell is done. If he isn't, you've likely got a guy in form with 8000 test runs and 20+ test tons. In ashes year). Plus he could open and may do better at 2 in asia...
5. Ali
6. Bairstow (wk)
7. Stokes
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Broad
11. Anderson
As it stands right now, that's the team I'd play, doors open to anyone scoring runs for fun in mid-late august and booking a place at 2 or 4...
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Telegraph touting Jack Leach from Somerset. Apparantly he was bowling alot at the Oval against the England players. Might simply be a case of 1+1=3.
Watching Bell in the UAE was painful and he has had his struggles in Asia. Not a bad shout as an opener in Asia, he has done it before.
If you want a batsman with a great track record in asia then look no further than KP...
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Somerset's jack leach bring talked about as a potential third spinner in the squad
Granted the link was seen on the m&h Facebook page but still being talked about
Edit nick beat me to it
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At the end of the day, I don't think half the players in the England team are test quality..but..It appears stocks are thin and there is no one bashing down then door to take their place so might as well keep a settled team. Chopping and changing never works.
KP's time is over even though it shouldn't have been at the time, no point going back. No bothered with bell either, he's hardly torn up county cricket.
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1. Cook
2. Hales (not a fan of his visit to the officials mid game, but he may enjoy flatter tracks and we'll know by the end of the winter if he's cut out - just about done enough for me)
3. Root
4. Bell (No ones stood up and demanded to be picked. Bell is a known quantity - proven test quality player and surely that's what we're looking for? A better bet than Vince or Ballance - he'd have scored more runs than both this summer. Why throw new younger players in if you're not sure they're ready? If you think they are great, if not, take 2 or 3 for the trip and the experience. At least by the end of the tour you'll know if Bell is done. If he isn't, you've likely got a guy in form with 8000 test runs and 20+ test tons. In ashes year). Plus he could open and may do better at 2 in asia...
5. Ali
6. Bairstow (wk)
7. Stokes
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Broad
11. Anderson
As it stands right now, that's the team I'd play, doors open to anyone scoring runs for fun in mid-late august and booking a place at 2 or 4...
Same side for me James. Except at number 2 I would either choose Lyth or Bell Drummond or Haseeb of Lancashire. Yes he's young and it might be too early but we have experience around.
All 3 are 'proper openers' , first choice would be adam lyth(yes again) and work with him. Bell Drummond second choice. Hasseb has scored his runs in Div 1 and the sooner he gets into the set up the better.
See what youre saying about Hales but for me I would stick him with the Lions or not at all. The guy does not have it mentally or technically to open the batting. it's the one real specialist batting position from one to 11.
good side thou I like it
:)
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I hear you re hales. I've just got a feeling he could bash some seamers around early on and that could kick him off. I do like the look of DBD though...
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id go:
cook
lyth
root
borthwick
hales
bairstow
stokes
ali
wood
broad
anderson
finn
ansari
buttler
rashid
roy
bell drummond
id take a larger squad with plenty of flexibitlity, this has 3 openers (plus hales and ansari)
middle order cover with roy and ansari
spare spinner in rashid (and ansari)
and an extra pace option with finn
still got 3 quicks and 3 spinners in the side plus a bit of roots offspin if needed
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I hear you re hales. I've just got a feeling he could bash some seamers around early on and that could kick him off. I do like the look of DBD though...
yes.....he might well do....but are you picking an opener for two series against Bangladesh and india or are you looking to get someone permanently in place? that's the issue....surely we have got the look to get someone in long term.....
DBD has been thru all the England set ups and has a good season. runs in Div 2 yes but he's got massive potential for the future. As has Haseeb-this youngster can play
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Blimey! what did Woakes do wrong?
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Blimey! what did Woakes do wrong?
hehe
Alex you've had a shocker there :) :)
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id go:
cook
lyth
root
borthwick
hales
bairstow
woakes
ali
wood
broad
anderson
stokes
finn
ansari
buttler
rashid
roy
bell drummond
id take a larger squad with plenty of flexibitlity, this has 3 openers (plus hales and ansari)
middle order cover with roy and ansari
spare spinner in rashid (and ansari)
and an extra pace option with finn
still got 3 quicks and 3 spinners in the side plus a bit of roots offspin if needed
Edit: being a complete and utter fool and forgetting the best player of the summer *hanging head in shame* have now edited this, left stokes out as for me its either woakes or stokes cant fit both in for the sub continent unless you dont play ali and rely on borthwick and root for the spin
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and ballance for me has been getting out to shah in the same manner too many times to be squeezed in, id have him on call to fly out if needed though!
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id go:
cook
lyth
root
borthwick
hales
bairstow
stokes
ali
wood
broad
anderson
finn
ansari
buttler
rashid
roy
bell drummond
id take a larger squad with plenty of flexibitlity, this has 3 openers (plus hales and ansari)
middle order cover with roy and ansari
spare spinner in rashid (and ansari)
and an extra pace option with finn
still got 3 quicks and 3 spinners in the side plus a bit of roots offspin if needed
Why do we need four seamers on pitches that won't offer anything for fast bowlers? The SG ball isn't exactly known to swing much or keep it hardness.
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Why do we need four seamers on pitches that won't offer anything for fast bowlers? The SG ball isn't exactly known to swing much or keep it hardness.
I'd rather have 4 seamers share the workload than run 3 into the ground on lifeless decks in the heat
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its englands strength so why not, look at the uae, the seamers run rates were well over half that of the spinners, stop the scoring you will take wickets....
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we absolutely do need 4 seamers on the basis we don't want to kill our bowlers in the heat out there in a three month period.
Felix you been on the pop early doors today ? :)
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Bayliss on Hales, Vince, Ballance:
“They’ve definitely had a decent run at it,” said the Australian. “We’ve probably got around a month before we get together and discuss the next Test series, so there will be some tough decisions to be made.”
England must decide whether to move on again, at the top and in the middle order, but compelling candidates in county cricket are thin on the ground. “There doesn’t seem to be anyone crying out to be selected above anyone else,” added Bayliss. “There’s a number of guys we’ve seen score some runs earlier this season, under a bit of scrutiny when their names are mentioned about the possibility of getting into the team. Some of them have dropped off (BORTHWICK KLAXON).”
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its englands strength so why not, look at the uae, the seamers run rates were well over half that of the spinners, stop the scoring you will take wickets....
As I said previously India use the SG ball. It's totally different to the Duke we use and as was used in the UAE.
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we absolutely do need 4 seamers on the basis we don't want to kill our bowlers in the heat out there in a three month period.
Felix you been on the pop early doors today ? :)
No pop or no cider ;)
Just look at stats from the India vs South Africa series last year. Against a South African side minus the injured Steyn and Philander, India still seldom batted longer than 100 overs. Therefore we won't need 4 seam bowlers. 3 seamers(Broad, Woakes and Stokes) plus Rashid and then Ali and Root.
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No pop or no cider ;)
Just look at stats from the India vs South Africa series last year. Against a South African side minus the injured Steyn and Philander, India still seldom batted longer than 100 overs. Therefore we won't need 4 seam bowlers. 3 seamers(Broad, Woakes and Stokes) plus Rashid and then Ali and Root.
im not 100 sure about this but I think the last time we toured india the seamers got more wickets than the spinners....i'm gonna check that out :)
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im not 100 sure about this but I think the last time we toured india the seamers got more wickets than the spinners....i'm gonna check that out :)
No way I think you're on the cider my friend.
Monty and Swanny run riot!
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Therefore we won't need 4 seam bowlers. 3 seamers(Broad, Woakes and Stokes) plus Rashid and then Ali and Root.
If we only consider away from home statistics, Andersons bowling average in India is only bettered by his average in the UAE and West Indies. Theres no way he doesn't lead the attack even though we all know India will prepare sandpits for the entire tour.
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If we only consider away from home statistics, Andersons bowling average in India is only bettered by his average in the UAE and West Indies. Theres no way he doesn't lead the attack even though we all know India will prepare sandpits for the entire tour.
Anderson has to prove he can still bowl in the mid 80s. These last two Tests against Pakistan he was barely medium pace for long periods. I don't care how good any one player is. You have to pull your weight.
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Is Monty truly finished? He clearly knows how to bowl (bit like riding a bike), and already has experience getting the worlds best batsmen out. This will probably be too "out of the box", but wouldn't it be worth Strauss and Cook publicly backing him, and slotting him in the team? IF (granted its a huge IF) it works, think of the rewards!
From reading the stories about him, seems like the issue is all mental...come on ECB, spend some of your millions on a sports psychologist assigned just to Monty, and resurrect this world class bowler! Even if he doesn't make the playing 11, surely his experience will be very valuable for the likes of Mo, Ansar etc?
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Anderson has to prove he can still bowl in the mid 80s. These last two Tests against Pakistan he was barely medium pace for long periods. I don't care how good any one player is. You have to pull your weight.
You can't get rid of world class players unless there is a better alternative. What matters most on tours, in alien conditions, is experience. Jimmy's presence alone will benefit all the other seamers. This is why I also think Bell should be a no brainer. The younger guys will rally around the seniors. Can't have everyone in the playing eleven using this tour to "learn".
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Is Monty truly finished? He clearly knows how to bowl (bit like riding a bike), and already has experience getting the worlds best batsmen out. This will probably be too "out of the box", but wouldn't it be worth Strauss and Cook publicly backing him, and slotting him in the team? IF (granted its a huge IF) it works, think of the rewards!
From reading the stories about him, seems like the issue is all mental...come on ECB, spend some of your millions on a sports psychologist assigned just to Monty, and resurrect this world class bowler! Even if he doesn't make the playing 11, surely his experience will be very valuable for the likes of Mo, Ansar etc?
He's barely made a dent in FC cricket for Northants, in fact he's played a lot of 2's cricket for Northants this year and he's even dipped down into minor counties cricket for Bedfordshire!
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Is Monty truly finished? He clearly knows how to bowl (bit like riding a bike), and already has experience getting the worlds best batsmen out. This will probably be too "out of the box", but wouldn't it be worth Strauss and Cook publicly backing him, and slotting him in the team? IF (granted its a huge IF) it works, think of the rewards!
From reading the stories about him, seems like the issue is all mental...come on ECB, spend some of your millions on a sports psychologist assigned just to Monty, and resurrect this world class bowler! Even if he doesn't make the playing 11, surely his experience will be very valuable for the likes of Mo, Ansar etc?
I don't think so, he's just not playing at a required standard. I'm afraid I have to agree with F-Tit here, and go for proper spinners and see who can step up to the mark, such as Kerrigan and Batty. The list is more long-term promising than inspiring -
Moeen
Rashid
Borthwick
Dawson
Kerrigan
Batty
Ansari
Crane
Leach
Rayner
None of them exactly carving their way through batting orders at County Level, so it's difficult to know how to choose.
Sadly (and I can't believe I'm saying this!!) I would pick Rashid and Batty as my spinners, with Mo and Borthers as batting back-ups.
I would then tell the County Coached and Peter 'Bloody' Such to pull their fingers out and move Dawson, Ansari, Crane and Leach on a bit bloody sharpish!!
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No way I think you're on the cider my friend.
Monty and Swanny run riot!
I can't find Anderson and Broad's figures for the last India tour(away) but yes stand corrected top wicket taker for us was Swanny with 20 wickets over the series, so it wasn't a seamer.
:)
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Anderson and Finn I remember causing real problems with reverse swing last time out. I think they broke the back of the Indian batting in the test that won it for us.
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I think they did as well......they also bowled very well(Anderson and broad) in the UAE on very flat decks against Pakistan last time.
we actually won in India 2-1.
helped of course by the one-who-cannot-be named... in one of the tests we either drew or won. KP played one of the best innings I've seen. Truly brilliant batting...I think it was the test we saved from memory.
but too much sun at the weekend has affected my memory :)
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Talk in the Mail of Bell getting a call up. Apparently Bayliss spoke to Bell after the Surrey/Warwickshire game to ask him about Ansari and Batty as well as his own ambitions on returning. Apparently Bell is also talking to Perth Scorchers about playing for them in the BBL
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Bell hasn't had a great season can't see him getting a call up now despite being a far better player than Vince or ballance.
Bit tricky the selection this time round. Vince prob is for the chop, ballance....not sure he has the game against spin in the middle order myself.
Who would of thought we would still be looking for new batsmen 2 years down the line.
Jos butler to play as a batsman only in the team?
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Bell hasn't had a great season can't see him getting a call up now despite being a far better player than Vince or ballance.
Bit tricky the selection this time round. Vince prob is for the chop, ballance....not sure he has the game against spin in the middle order myself.
Who would of thought we would still be looking for new batsmen 2 years down the line.
Jos butler to play as a batsman only in the team?
Hahahah.. So bllance and Vince out but buttler (proven to not be up to test quality ) in??
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Hahahah.. So bllance and Vince out but buttler (proven to not be up to test quality ) in??
He's played IPL, during which time he proved he can play spin on Indian pitches ;) 🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣
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I think butler is one of those players england(Bayliss) likes. When he was dropped he was 'temporarily out of the side'
Then read the press before the pak series Bayliss was on about maybe butler and stokes playing as batsmen.then butler got injured.
I reckon, and this is purely east Enders style gossip...Bayliss got over ruled by the selectors hence a bit of a bust up.
And indeed @WalkingWicket37 he did play IPL. Bayliss likes the Aussie way. Attacking batsmen.
Jeez we are turning into the Aussies, pass the XXXX Kylie !!
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Bayliss loves Buttler and wanted him this summer but got boo booed by the selectors. Looking at it now I'd have taken him over someone like Vince, albeit not batting at 4.
Would love to see Ansari get a go but he's been crocked for half of the season with all sorts of issues.
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Monty...Monty...Monty - come on England, as Donald Trump would say, "what the hell do you have to lose???".
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I think they did as well......they also bowled very well(Anderson and broad) in the UAE on very flat decks against Pakistan last time.
we actually won in India 2-1.
helped of course by the one-who-cannot-be named... in one of the tests we either drew or won. KP played one of the best innings I've seen. Truly brilliant batting...I think it was the test we saved from memory.
but too much sun at the weekend has affected my memory :)
KP's was a one of the best innings played by a visitor at Mumbai. Not an easy place for visiting team....
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He's played IPL, during which time he proved he can play spin on Indian pitches ;) 🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣
IPL is different, not same as 5 men standing around you on a turning pitch in test match...
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IPL is different, not same as 5 men standing around you on a turning pitch in test match...
I think that Cam MAY have been taking the Michael ;)
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On Tuffers and Vaughan last night they were saying Buttler/Billings to come in. As much as i am a fan of Mr Billings he just isnt ready to play test cricket
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I just read an AOC interview with Billings and even he says he's no where near a test cricketer.
Would like to see more of him in international white ball cricket though
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IPL is different, not same as 5 men standing around you on a turning pitch in test match...
IPl is the new test cricket!! White ball is taking over, the era of red ball is dead. Pink ball test in aus, county second xi pink ball game happening right now!
We will soon see red ball removed and proper slogging 3 day test ushered in.............
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I just read an AOC interview with Billings and even he says he's no where near a test cricketer.
Would like to see more of him in international white ball cricket though
Agree, he really hasnt put his hand up in 4 day cricket. MV says he is highly rated by the England coaches and he plays spin well. I like MV but he does speak some nonsense at times!
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wasn't buttler injured with a broken finger at the start of the summer
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IPl is the new test cricket!! White ball is taking over, the era of red ball is dead. Pink ball test in aus, county second xi pink ball game happening right now!
We will soon see red ball removed and proper slogging 3 day test ushered in.............
Wow ...a 2ndX1 county fixture with a pink ball ! I guess it will be a pink Dukes , will be interesting to hear what people think of it vs the pink Kookaburra. Hopefully it's way better and is a catalyst for Australia using the Dukes ball ( wishful thinking !).
Probably a question for a different thread , but I have wondered how /why would England adopt day-night tests anyway .
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Wow ...a 2ndX1 county fixture with a pink ball ! I guess it will be a pink Dukes , will be interesting to hear what people think of it vs the pink Kookaburra. Hopefully it's way better and is a catalyst for Australia using the Dukes ball ( wishful thinking !).
Probably a question for a different thread , but I have wondered how /why would England adopt day-night tests anyway .
Saw something on cricinfo saying there was a pink ball game due to be played in India shortly and they'd be using a pink kookaburra
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Michael Vaughan is like Shane Warne.
They both talk a lot.
Most of what they say is garbage.
But every so often they say something that hits the mark.
Vaughan on captaincy is worth listening too.
Warne on leg spin and cling onto every word he says.
Vaughan on player selection you just let it waft over you like a bad smell ..
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I just read an AOC interview with Billings and even he says he's no where near a test cricketer.
Would like to see more of him in international white ball cricket though
Good read that interview.
The whole Billings situation smacks of what happened early in James Taylor's career, consistently seems to finish high in the county white ball averages but doesn't seem to get a decent run in the side.
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Wow ...a 2ndX1 county fixture with a pink ball ! I guess it will be a pink Dukes , will be interesting to hear what people think of it vs the pink Kookaburra. Hopefully it's way better and is a catalyst for Australia using the Dukes ball ( wishful thinking !).
Probably a question for a different thread , but I have wondered how /why would England adopt day-night tests anyway .
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/1040057.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/1040057.html)
First innings pink dukes, second innings pink kookaburras
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Michael Vaughan is like Shane Warne.
They both talk a lot.
Most of what they say is garbage.
But every so often they say something that hits the mark.
Vaughan on captaincy is worth listening too.
Warne on leg spin and cling onto every word he says.
Vaughan on player selection you just let it waft over you like a bad smell ..
Very good point. I thought MV made a good point about the likely conditions in India. He expects them (especially under Kumble) to prepare decent wickets and not the usual turners on the basis that they back their spinners to be more effective on a good wicket than Moeen/Rashid/A.N Other and by nullifying England's spin threat would make ENgland extremely unlikely to win
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Good read that interview.
The whole Billings situation smacks of what happened early in James Taylor's career, consistently seems to finish high in the county white ball averages but doesn't seem to get a decent run in the side.
Yes although i believe Taylor had a better FC record than what Billings has. I spoke with him v briefly after the 175 in the Lions and he was very hopeful of getting in the ODI side. Unlike the last few years i dont think he has scored the volume of runs in t20 or 50 over cricket domestically to push him into the team. There are alot of comments on the Kent facebook group which suggest he should be dropped (idiots)
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Yes although i believe Taylor had a better FC record than what Billings has. I spoke with him v briefly after the 175 in the Lions and he was very hopeful of getting in the ODI side. Unlike the last few years i dont think he has scored the volume of runs in t20 or 50 over cricket domestically to push him into the team. There are alot of comments on the Kent facebook group which suggest he should be dropped (idiots)
Oh yeah, I was talking purely white ball cricket. I think he's an X factor player, the kind of player other teams/coaches would worry about, might only come off half the time but I think you can afford that in white ball cricket.
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Very good point. I thought MV made a good point about the likely conditions in India. He expects them (especially under Kumble) to prepare decent wickets and not the usual turners on the basis that they back their spinners to be more effective on a good wicket than Moeen/Rashid/A.N Other and by nullifying England's spin threat would make ENgland extremely unlikely to win
I doubt it, vs SA they ordered up some terrible bunsens, and SA's spinners are even poorer than England's. Kohli and India have a big chip on their shoulders about England preparing 'swinging pitches' (how a pitch makes the ball swing is beyond me), so expect them to take all the home advantage they can.
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I doubt it, vs SA they ordered up some terrible bunsens, and SA's spinners are even poorer than England's. Kohli and India have a big chip on their shoulders about England preparing 'swinging pitches' (how a pitch makes the ball swing is beyond me), so expect them to take all the home advantage they can.
Last time India were here they won at lords on the greenest pitch I've seen at test level
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Billings other problem is where does he get in the team?
Hales
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Willey
Wood
Would be my first choice team (not necessarily that batting order), so as much as I like the look of Billings, there's no room for him.
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Instead of Morgan?
Even Bairstow ahead of Morgan. Make root skipper
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Yup, Morgz would be the first one out for me, though not sure how big an influence his captaincy and leadership play in moulding this new team
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Could always sling Mo out?
Still have 5 bowlers + Root. Just debateable as to whether it makes the batting any better seeing the form Mo is in!
But I reckon if we get 2 up they'll give Root, Hales & Woakes (and maybe Mo) a rest for the remainder of the series, so Billings, Dawson & CJ will get a go.
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Ballance scores 1 and Vince grabs a duck for Yorkshire/Hampshire today. Get them on that plane...
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Yorkshire are currently 51 for 6. So it's not like it's just Ballance having a bad day there!
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Could always sling Mo out?
Still have 5 bowlers + Root. Just debateable as to whether it makes the batting any better seeing the form Mo is in!
But I reckon if we get 2 up they'll give Root, Hales & Woakes (and maybe Mo) a rest for the remainder of the series, so Billings, Dawson & CJ will get a go.
Billings isnt in the squad, so would imagine the players already int he squad and not selected would be more likely to get the nod
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Can everyone give the Ian Bell fan club a rest please. He was rightly dropped because his form was dreadful. He's gone back to Birmingham and done sod all to earn a recall. His record in Asia isn't anything to right about. It's in fact padded by by Bell's record in Bangladesh. Bell's ship has sailed, if Bayliss goes back down that route he needs to see s doctor.
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Can everyone give the Ian Bell fan club a rest please. He was rightly dropped because his form was dreadful. He's gone back to Birmingham and done sod all to earn a recall. His record in Asia isn't anything to right about. It's in fact padded by by Bell's record in Bangladesh. Bell's ship has sailed, if Bayliss goes back down that route he needs to see s doctor.
Whilst i'm inclined to agree with you, to me it shows just how bare the cupboard is that his name keeps being mentioned
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http://www.skysports.com/share/10548588 (http://www.skysports.com/share/10548588)
Now or never it seems.
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Well stop mentioning those names!!! - bung another couple of youths in who have everything to play for and don't go back to the tired old talents who have dropped by the wayside.
Gulp!! That's twice I've agreed with F-Tit now!
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Besides - if they pick another ginger, it's going to start to look like Monkey World with all those 'rangas in there!
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[url]http://www.skysports.com/share/10548588[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/share/10548588[/url])
Now or never it seems.
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Interesting! Personally I would've never dropped Bell in the first place, would always pick Bell ahead of Ballance...
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[url]http://www.skysports.com/share/10548588[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/share/10548588[/url])
Now or never it seems.
"Perth Scorchers have offered Bell a deal which would see him travel to Australia in late November ahead of a potential Big Bash debut in Perth on December 23 against the Sydney Strikers"
Am I missing something? Who are the Sydney Strikers?
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"Perth Scorchers have offered Bell a deal which would see him travel to Australia in late November ahead of a potential Big Bash debut in Perth on December 23 against the Sydney Strikers"
Am I missing something? Who are the Sydney Strikers?
Good spot! Hybrid side of Adelaide Strikers and Sydney Sixers would be pretty handy though!
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[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/1040057.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/1040057.html[/url])
First innings pink dukes, second innings pink kookaburras
Awesome ! Really good to see some direct comparison being done . Go the Dukes .
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Alec Stewart said in a Surrey members Q&A earlier this week that Ansari will go on the tours should he be fit, so there you go...
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What I would do:
Cook
Lyth
Root
Hales
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
Broad/Woakes
Wood
Anderson
What I think England might do:
Cook
Ballance
Root
Roy
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Patel
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37281623 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37281623)
Looks like the Hales experiment has run its course...
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Bayliss has said and mentioned players in the press recently and the selectors have done another direction.
Haseeb does not fit the aggressive type Bayliss wants.
I would take the youngster and I really really hope we do.
Just not sure they will went it comes down to it. I know it's a bit unfashionable(I'm old!) but I think technically and mentally you need quality at the top of the order or at least potential to bat long periods in a test.
I hope we take him..and I thought as well Lyth should have been persevered with for longer.
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I have spent some of the evening watching Haseeb bat on you tube videos. Frankly he looks a class act. Much better technically than I was expecting. He also moves well to the ball.
He should get picked and should play of he is picked. No point on him being a waiter, either play him or send him on a lions tour to play.
I also love the way Westley of Essex bats, simple technique, a really good person to copy.
As for Hales, he is better suited to 4 or 5. I would still play him.
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Westley and duckett have had good end of seasons and both highly rated.
England played the last test with vince and ballance playing
The selectors may think so much has been invested in hales the middle order might have a spot.
Vince pretty sure wont go on tour.jury's out a bit on Ballance maybe?
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37281623[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37281623[/url])
Wow, 19 y/o!
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The to-ing and fro-ing in the batting is fine - lots of young talent to blood, and very exciting too.
However - can anyone name 3 x spinners for both tours? There are not 3 outstanding candidates I'm afraid.
Mo = makes an excellent 2nd spinner, but I worry how he will do under assault, and unable to keep an end quiet.
Rashid = erratic and expensive, but also a wicket taker and exciting prospect, and unable to keep an end quiet.
and then the next person banging on the door is.....................................................................
My team (and squad) for Bangladesh would be:
Cook
Bell-Drummond
Root
Hales
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler+
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Plunkett
Hameed
Rayner
Wood
Ansari
Ball
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The to-ing and fro-ing in the batting is fine - lots of young talent to blood, and very exciting too.
However - can anyone name 3 x spinners for both tours? There are not 3 outstanding candidates I'm afraid.
Mo = makes an excellent 2nd spinner, but I worry how he will do under assault, and unable to keep an end quiet.
Rashid = erratic and expensive, but also a wicket taker and exciting prospect, and unable to keep an end quiet.
and then the next person banging on the door is.....................................................................
My team (and squad) for Bangladesh would be:
Cook
Bell-Drummond
Root
Hales
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler+
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Plunkett
Hameed
Rayner
Wood
Ansari
Ball
No Anderson or Broad? Big call!
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Rest 'em - they are both struggling to recover adequately from niggling injuries so no point in dragging them round the featherbeds of Bangladesh.
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- Cook
- +1
- Root
- +1
- +1
- Stokes
- Bairstow
- Ali
- Woakes
- Broad
- Anderson
I don't think most people will argue massively against that 8 as being pretty much nailed on for the first test, barring injury.
As for the spaces, I think they'll only change a maximum of one or two, so someone gets a lifeline.
Opener - what about Sam Robson? He was dropped for only averaging 30 at the opening spot. Hales doesn't average that and not yet had a ton at 21 innings of test cricket. Robson is averaging 55+ in CC for Middlesex.
Middle order - Nick Gubbins is averaging over 60. Liam Livingstone is up over 55 as well. Livingstone has taken 22 catches, so must be a decent (slip) fielder too.
There is also the second spinner to include in the team. I'd move Bairstow up to 5, Ali to 7 and bring in Rashid.
Cook
+ 1
Root
+ 1
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Therefore two to fill. Hales averages less than 20 against Pakistan, so unfortunately he makes way for Robson (if fit) for me, but could see Habeeb or other, meaning Ballance gets another shot to impress.
Cook
Robson
Root
Ballance
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
I'd take a decent old/eperienced third spinner. Probably Samit or Batty who knows they will not be in the team barring injury and can come in a do a job if needed.
Then have Finn, Plunkett et all as the backup seamers.
Backup basmen is an interesting one, not much to pick, either a youngster or and old pro. Get some experience on tour or someone who knows their role and job.
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Doesn't Livingstone bowl too? Sure he was a decent leggy when I played against him as a kid
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Bayliss making noise that Dawson might be the 3rd spinner
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Bayliss making noise that Dawson might be the 3rd spinner
Been around the squad for a while now so they should have an idea about how he'll go, didn't have a great game at Cardiff in the ODI, could just have been nerves/bad luck I guess?
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I didn't watch the whole odi, but the overs of Dawson I did see it was obvious that Pakistan were trying to go after him. Bayliss seemed to like his attitude though
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Middle order - Nick Gubbins is averaging over 60. Liam Livingstone is up over 55 as well. Livingstone has taken 22 catches, so must be a decent (slip) fielder too.
One of those catches was... shall we say... controversial
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Another big score for Duckett. Could he be the opener we're looking for?
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Just looking at the photo of tomorrow's Cricket paper, England plan to rest Root, Stokes and Ali in the ODIs against Bangladesh, possibly opening up a fourth spinner to tour?
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Just looking at the photo of tomorrow's Cricket paper, England plan to rest Root, Stokes and Ali in the ODIs against Bangladesh, possibly opening up a fourth spinner to tour?
if that's correct it might throw up an awkward situation for those that are reluctant to go on the tour in the first place. Pretty obvious Morgan is going to need his arm twisted.
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I appreciate these leaks represent good journalism, but the selectors being leakier than a culindar is unimpressive.
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So if Morgan jibs and Root is rested, who would you have skipper the team?
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So if Morgan jibs and Root is rested, who would you have skipper the team?
Jos
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Buttler who is the one day vice captain?
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Did not realise that 😳
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Buttler who is the one day vice captain?
Didn't it go back to Root after the world cup?
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I dont know who it is to be honest but Morgan is key here..of the players currently he has direct experience in india and bangladesh of close calls regarding safety so thats maybe why he is reluctant.if the papers are right he's not on the plane.He's a free thinking bloke but does his availabilty or not mean some other players could pull out.
Maybe just my view but Strauss seems to be giving mixed messages.first 'we respect each players decision wont be held against them'
Now...' Someone else takes your place that's the risk'
Yes he is going himself out there(bangladesh)
Maybe its just me but i sense some pressure being applied to tour?
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Sounds like Morgan isn't going. Disappointing but if he doesn't feel comfortable with it then I don't blame him. I know Strauss has been fairly brutal since taking his job but after the whole Pietersen stuff you'd hope he'd handle this in the right way, if he gets shown the door I can only imagine the mood around the camp to be go downhill as he's the best LOI captain we've had in yonks...
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Sounds like Morgan isn't going. Disappointing but if he doesn't feel comfortable with it then I don't blame him. I know Strauss has been fairly brutal since taking his job but after the whole Pietersen stuff you'd hope he'd handle this in the right way, if he gets shown the door I can only imagine the mood around the camp to be go downhill as he's the best LOI captain we've had in yonks...
Morgan is key to Strauss because f the captain don't go, which I don't think he will, other players almost certainly won't either.
Morgan by all accounts has his own mind and certainly won't toe a line he does not agree with. Quite right England have only just caught up with one-day cricket..Gawd knows a few of us remember when we were 5 years behind everyone else.
Morgan has to take some credit for new England-the way we play now....
England management need to tread a bit carefully I reckon. I sense from recent interviews with Strauss is putting the players under pressure which cannot be right.
And yes, KP was a fiasco on all sides. Even some of us(well me) who are glad he's out cannot stick up for the ECB the way they handled it. It was monumental bad management from the ECB.
I hope we are not heading for more conflict....
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I don't think other players are the issue at all, certainly with regards to the players who are involved in both formats. Would be an issue if Cook wasn't on board with it all and it sounds like the only people with concerns are Morgan and Hales.
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On the plus side it could open the door for Bairstow
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when are both squads announced?
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16th, a week today
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I have to say the media bile against Morgan today has been vile.
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I have to say the media bile against Morgan today has been vile.
Completely agree. Maybe KP was right in saying the ECB wouldn't let him forget this, one can only assume a lot of this media tripe has been driven or leaked by them
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I have to say the media bile against Morgan today has been vile.
Agree, they are cricketers. Not diplomats. If he doesn't want to go. It's his choice. Slow day in the cricket media and so they have gone off at the deep end.
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So Hales and Morgan are the first to announce hey arent going
I still half expect this whole tour to be binned
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I still half expect this whole tour to be binned
Agreed, lets face it they're all going over there as target number 1 - don't blame Hales/Morgan at all for their decision.
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Nope dont blame them at all.i hope there are no repercussions in the future or bad feeling.
I think the issue of why the Aussie tour was cancelled must of been a consideration despite what the ECB say.
Im surprised its only two players,wonder if anyone else will have a change of heart before the squad is announced?
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Is that the decision to end his Test Career by Hales? I honestly think he'd be a good middle order batsman in the Test side, but he may not get the chance now. :(
Who's next on the conveyor belt to partner Captain Cook?
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I wonder if Hales had been told he had lost his test place.
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Big differences between how Cricket Australia and ECB have handled the Bangladesh threat.
Just like Zimbabwe in 2003, things have been left on the captains plate.
ECB have the backbone of a jellyfish.
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@cricketcouch on Twitter absolutely spot on about this whole mess. Playing top level cricket shouldn't be about jingoisM, nationalism or that kind of BS.
Once top level cricket is played between franchises, not countries, the better.
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Once top level cricket is played between franchises, not countries, the better.
Stupidest sentence on CB in a fair while that one. Can't even begin to comprehend how franchising international cricket would be 'for the better'
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Michael Vaughan has just tweeted
I would Presume if anyone does pull out of the Bangladesh tour they would pull out of the India trip as well .Both are at a similar risk ???
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Clearly they do not pose a similar risk.
Vaughan would have a different view if one of his management protege's had pulled out.
No one has clearly answered the question as to why the Aussies won't go to Bangladesh (unless they just think they will lose. !)
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Shocked by Vaughan's column and tweets - had a fair bit of respect for the bloke but has seriously gone down in my estimations.
There's a distinct difference between 'leading your country in difficult situations' and leading your country into a straight up security risk.
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Is that the decision to end his Test Career by Hales? I honestly think he'd be a good middle order batsman in the Test side, but he may not get the chance now. :(
Who's next on the conveyor belt to partner Captain Cook?
I'd imagine they'll blood Hameed in now instead of doing it against saffas or Aussies away, like they have done previously e.g Carberry
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Not many people picking the leading div one run scorer keaton Jennings in their squad... Can he be the answer or will he be another Saffa import people end up hating!
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Shocked by Vaughan's column and tweets - had a fair bit of respect for the bloke but has seriously gone down in my estimations.
There's a distinct difference between 'leading your country in difficult situations' and leading your country into a straight up security risk.
Surely if it was a straight up security risk, no one would be going and the tour cancelled.
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Australia decided to pull out of the tour for security reasons. Their govt issued a travel alert warning their citizens about the risk in traveling to Bangaldesh. Aus cricket team decided to follow the govt advice and skip the tour. Certain incidents occurred during that period where foreign nationals were targeted and kidnapped by islamic militants. As per news article these people were operating within the capital city - Dhaka. This should have raised suspicion during Australian security review.
Very recently multiple terrorist attacks happened in Dhaka (July 2016). You can check out this wiki article which describes exactly what happened over there. Attack was targeted against non-muslim foreign nationals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2016_Dhaka_attack
Despite all this, england security consultant called this tour as safe to proceed. I am 100% percent behind Hales & Morgan for skipping the tour.
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This was the reason why the Aussies pulled out:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3761761/England-s-tour-Bangladesh-thrown-fresh-doubt-emerges-ISIS-targeted-Australia-players-year.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3761761/England-s-tour-Bangladesh-thrown-fresh-doubt-emerges-ISIS-targeted-Australia-players-year.html)
They were specific targets for ISIS and instead they hit that cafe. Can't believe the stance ecb have had on this after that
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I agree with those who pulled out, it's not their job to stand up to ISIS, it's to play cricket and return home. I would have thought the ECB recommendation would still highlight risks, there's no way they can say 100% sure the players will be safe. Why take the risk?
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https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/776005972418564096
Eh? What's he doing?
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https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/776005972418564096
Eh? What's he doing?
He did it in a test last year I think, likely fancies himself as the third spinner this winter!
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https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/776005972418564096
Eh? What's he doing?
Needs to get a long sleeve shirt on if he wants to be a spinner ;)
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TBF i think the Spinner position is up for grabs.
Bet he has a good quicker delivery lol.
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TBF i think the Spinner position is up for grabs.
Bet he has a good quicker delivery lol.
Not very many bowlers can boast a 90mph Yorker as a quicker ball :D
*Stumps fly everywhere*
Surprise!!
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Squad out tommorow,now hales and morgan not in its a bit easier to pick a couple
What does everyone think?
Im going hasseb hamed and jason roy for the tests-roy in the middle as ballance and vince not convincing in the summer.
I really dont know about the third spinner
One dayers a call up for ben duckett-straight in to open for him
Ian bell....id be surprised if england went back...
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The sun cricket journo (forgot his name) just tweeted there are some interesting names in the squad
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John Etheridge that's it
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Why do I get the feeling Batty is in?
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Why do I get the feeling Batty is in?
Because your a surrey fan?
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Not really. Probably inclined to think it's merely plugging a short term gap if they do bother with him.
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Dawson,rayner or leach of Somerset if we are picking on form and future potential?
I wonder just how surprised we are going to be? Haha
At least if KP comes back most of the forum will be happy :)
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Glad you said Most
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That feeling when you know you're on that plane
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq9ZbT8XEAAu1q-.jpg)
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Sounds like Ansari's involved as well, love some Surrey representation
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Instead of taking half decent spinners why don't we take a barrage of 90mph quick bowlers there are a few on the citcuit.
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Because it's the subcontinent...
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Because it's the subcontinent...
But if we dont have one decent spinner what's the point in taking 3, broad and Anderson were out best bowlers in the UAE. The spinners conceded too many runs, the same will happen again. Play 4 quicks and moeen and try to get it reversing.
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Sounds like Ansari's involved as well, love some Surrey representation
Some apparently ITK reckon spinners are Dawson, Ali and Rashid.
Batsmen : Hamed And Duckett.
Can't see point of taking Jordan for one dayers when one of the Curren boys would be a better choice.
Also Ballance? Hopefully they will give Duckett a chance at 4 in the tests rather than Ballance. Big believer in playing people who are in form (even if it is 2nd division).
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Apparently, Hameed, Duckett, Batty & Ansari all involved
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Just what is taking Gareth Batty at 39 over Jack Leach at early 20's going to achieve? Granted he's been a solid county pro for years but a quality left arm spinner to turn the ball away always poses more of a threat than an offie. We haven't had anything like Leach since Monty retired and we really do need another option like him IMHO.
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Apparently, Hameed, Duckett, Batty & Ansari all involved
Just heard about Batty and Ansari's... Don't have a problem with either. The point about Batty being too old is an understandable one, however when trying to win in INDIA its a case of the best spinners going. Batty is a winner and won't be phased by the Indians going after him. And he spins it... Lol
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Batty being reported as a "sort of coach" on the tours for the spin bowlers (John Etheridge's words not mine)
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I can understand from a experience point of view but I'd think someone like Gary keedy going as a coach would be more beneficial as he knows most of the guys from the circuit being at Notts anyway, if much rather see a young spinner than batty any day
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I can understand from a experience point of view but I'd think someone like Gary keedy going as a coach would be more beneficial as he knows most of the guys from the circuit being at Notts anyway, if much rather see a young spinner than batty any day
I hope that Batty is used more on the Indian leg of the tour. The guy is a born competitor and does spin the ball. It was not that long ago Monty ran amok in India by simply spinning the ball.
I just think a young spinner in that atmosphere against good players trying to 'hit' you out of the attack will probably be more detrimental than good...
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http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/three-uncapped-players-named-test-squad-bangladesh (http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/three-uncapped-players-named-test-squad-bangladesh)
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England Test squad
Alastair Cook (captain, Essex), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Zafar Ansari (Surrey), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Gareth Batty (Surrey), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (wk, Lancashire), Ben Duckett (Northamptonshire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Haseeb Hameed (Lancashire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).
England ODI squad
Jos Buttler (captain, Lancashire), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Jake Ball (Nottinghamshire), Sam Billings (Kent), Liam Dawson (Hampshire), Ben Duckett (Northamptonshire), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), James Vince (Hampshire), David Willey (Yorkshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).
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Lots of people going for a short tour where there won't be any fans able to travel to watch.
The one day side is easier to pick than the test side I think.
Cook (might yet miss the first game due to the birth of second child.
Tbc Ansari?
Root
Tbc - Duckett
Moeen.
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Batty.
Broad
Anderson
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So what's your xi form that? I'd go
Cook
Hammeed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Woakes
Ali
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
If duckett finals Roy gets a shot
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So what's your xi form that? I'd go
Cook
Hammeed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Woakes
Ali
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
If duckett finals Roy gets a shot
Roy's not in the test squad so it'll be Ballance and Duckett fighting for the batting spot I reckon
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Test team for me.
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett (man in form)
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Wood
Batty
Broad/Anderson
Personally don't see point of Anderson on this tour. He keeps picking up little niggles so for me try others out and keep him for the Anderson friendly conditions next summer.
Perhaps even give Broad a rest and use Jake Ball?
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I'd like to see these teams
1st Test
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow+
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
2nd Test
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Ali
Ansari
Bairstow+
Rashid
Broad
Wood
Finn
No point taking all those players on such a short tour if most of them don't get a game imo. I don't think England will change as much as I have there but who knows!
ODI
Roy
Duckett
Vince
Stokes
Buttler
Billings+
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Willey
Wood
With Plunkett, Ball and Wood rotating as well as possibly Billings/Bairstow and Stokes/Dawson depending on conditions.
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So we've picked 39 year old Batty and Ansari who's been out injured all season instead of 2 spinners who've taken 50 wickets in Div 1 each.
Kind of ruins the CC as a competition / meritocracy if performance doesn't count:
Leach - 58 @ 22.60
Rayner - 50 @ 22.00
Batty - 41 @ 31.21
Ansari - 22 @ 31.40
And this is with them playing half their games at the Oval! I know you can't select a team purely on numbers, but this is madness!
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Roy's not in the test squad so it'll be Ballance and Duckett fighting for the batting spot I reckon
Oops mid read that.. And so yes duckett gets go ahead with balance filling in if needed
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I'd like to see these teams
1st Test
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow+
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
2nd Test
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Ali
Ansari
Bairstow+
Rashid
Broad
Wood
Finn
No point taking all those players on such a short tour if most of them don't get a game imo. I don't think England will change as much as I have there but who knows!
ODI
Roy
Duckett
Vince
Stokes
Buttler
Billings+
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Willey
Wood
With Plunkett, Ball and Wood rotating as well as possibly Billings/Bairstow and Stokes/Dawson depending on conditions.
Nailed it!!!
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Duckett has had a great season opening the batting, not sure why people would put him at 4?! Ansari in the squad is silly! Never fit and as slow as a snail when batting!
Keaton Jennings should have been in the squad if they chose on "form"
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Duckett has had a great season opening the batting, not sure why people would put him at 4?! Ansari in the squad is silly! Never fit and as slow as a snail when batting!
Keaton Jennings should have been in the squad if they chose on "form"
I was sure he'd batted at 3/4 at times this season, could very well be wrong though.
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Duckett has had a great season opening the batting, not sure why people would put him at 4?! Ansari in the squad is silly! Never fit and as slow as a snail when batting!
Keaton Jennings should have been in the squad if they chose on "form"
Think he has batted at 3/4 over the last 18 months. Also Reds, he has played 2nd division cricket so batting him at 3/4 is for me the way forward. Tendulkar started life at 5/6 :-).
Wouldn't disagree with you about Jennings. Have seen Hameed bat a few times over these last 3 years and without doubt he is an 'old school' type of batsmen I was surprised the selectors have picked him.this early. He does come from a cricket mad family and is very mature for his age so I suppose the selectors are thinking let's have a look at him now in.a series that we should win.
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jennings has had a great season and must have been close to selection, still flabbergasted that batty has been chosen although he has had a fairly decent summer himself just not compared to others around the country, I think his selection is down to there not being a standout spinner or R the last few seasons not just this one which is a shame
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jennings has had a great season and must have been close to selection, still flabbergasted that batty has been chosen although he has had a fairly decent summer himself just not compared to others around the country, I think his selection is down to there not being a standout spinner or R the last few seasons not just this one which is a shame
I think Batty will be going for his presence in the dressing room and for passing on advice/experience as much as to actually play.
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So we've picked 39 year old Batty and Ansari who's been out injured all season instead of 2 spinners who've taken 50 wickets in Div 1 each.
Kind of ruins the CC as a competition / meritocracy if performance doesn't count:
Leach - 58 @ 22.60
Rayner - 50 @ 22.00
Batty - 41 @ 31.21
Ansari - 22 @ 31.40
And this is with them playing half their games at the Oval! I know you can't select a team purely on numbers, but this is madness!
The County Championship exists as a competition to determine the champion county. It does not exist as a series of England trial games. Sure, players win places for their performances in it; but that is not the sole purpose of its being. Stop looking at numbers and go and support it?
I like the squad. Naming 16 not 17, I called 14 names right - the exceptions being Finn, Ansari and Buttler.
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The County Championship exists as a competition to determine the champion county. It does not exist as a series of England trial games. Sure, players win places for their performances in it; but that is not the sole purpose of its being. Stop looking at numbers and go and support it?
I like the squad. Naming 16 not 17, I called 14 names right - the exceptions being Finn, Ansari and Buttler.
However over he course do a season (this squad he been picked at he end of one) the best spinner will have the best figures throughout the season, just as the best batsmen will have the best stats same for fielders keepers and quicks, it's a good marker to influence the selection and i don't think it has been adhered to however there are other factors to be taken into consideration yes... However most of the other factors are what the coaches are there for surely?
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The County Championship exists as a competition to determine the champion county. It does not exist as a series of England trial games. Sure, players win places for their performances in it; but that is not the sole purpose of its being. Stop looking at numbers and go and support it?
I like the squad. Naming 16 not 17, I called 14 names right - the exceptions being Finn, Ansari and Buttler.
Wow. You're fun.
Lets clear some points then:
I do support the CC, big fan of it, it's a proper game and I'm a member at Essex for that reason.
If the CC is the best 1st Class championship then surely this is the best way to select an England team? It's the highest standard of multi day cricket in the country, so how else do you judge players, other then their performances in this competition?
I appreciate that Batty is a competitor / mentor etc etc, however, we've hired Saqlain as the Spin coach for the tour. What's the point in having a 'mentor' there as well? Undermines the coaches somewhat to my mind.
I hope England do well, I really do. However if they were the two best spinners in the country (holding Moeen & Rashid aside for a second) then logic dictates that they'd take the most wickets.
Unless you think there is a different meaning to the word 'best' other than the most effective?
At the end of a test career, the greats are filtered out by no of runs, wickets, average etc. Not 'Well he didn't get many wickets, and it was a terrible average, but he looked like a good bowler'
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Having played against Hameed a few times this year I cant wait to watch him on the telly :) Very talented youngster and has real potential to become one of the worlds greatest!
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I think Batty will be going for his presence in the dressing room and for passing on advice/experience as much as to actually play.
could well be that.... ali and Rashid you would think will play, Batty 3rd spinner(?) will we play 3? I doubt it.... . Overall I quite like the squad, only the most one-eyed Surrey fans would have Ansari in, but aside from that it's pretty good.
If Batty is in more of a 'coach' role we didn't need to take Saqlain or Mushy(cant remember which one) with us so that doesn't quite tie up....
Rayner,Leach very unlucky to be left out for Ansari in my book.
Still...looking forward to the tests, pleased about Duckett I thought he would of been one-dayers only.
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Can't believe they dropped Samit!!
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If the most effective county bowlers made the best Test bowlers, David Masters would have played a hundred times for England. I suspect a key things they are looking for are the ability to get out good players on good pitches, good temperament, and aptitude for learning and adaptation. These things cannot be spotted by looking at county averages.
Zafar bats well and is an excellent fielder. Batty will be a good man to have around. In a high intensity game, I'd back him as the best spin bowler in the country - whatever the stats say. It's a real shame we don't have anyone younger that we can trust.
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Ansari I guess I can accept based on the fact he was there before his injury. Add a bit with bat and ball.
The batty decision is a joke! His performances from a experienced campaigner don't make amazing reading and he's been outshone by both leach (who should be there) and rayner. He's also 39 which really looks to the future and build a team for the next few years.
I think Jennings should feel very unlucky to not be there. By far the best opener around in the cc. id be happier if the lancs youngster had another season under his belt but he's played well against some good attacks. Glad duckett is included. Should play ahead of balance who I don't think deserves another chance.
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The selectors are a bunch of turds...
Jack Leach takes a bucket loads of wickets(whether the pitches are doctored or now is irrelevant) and gets overlooked for Zafar Ansari whom isn't half the bowler Leach is. If Bangladesh produce turners, and which is likely as The Fizz is injured, then Leach could've been a match winner. Ansari doesn't merit selection! I'm literally on the verge of combusting!
I've nothing against Gareth Batty and I'm actually a bit fan, but Rayner is close to bowling Middlesex to the County Championship(50 odd wickets is a stand out season). If Rayner isn't selected after a season like this when will he get picked?
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All of a sudden, everyone knows what a great bowler Jack Leach is!
How many times have we heard this kind of thing before?
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If Rayner isn't selected after a season like this when will he get picked?
Never?
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All of a sudden, everyone knows what a great bowler Jack Leach is!
How many times have we heard this kind of thing before?
Come down to the West Country and have a look for yourself...
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Come down to the West Country and have a look for yourself...
I am there next week.
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I hope the invitation to the West Country was for all, I've heard the cider is pure, the sun shines and the birds are a bit friendly
the above wasn't in the article I just read on line in the Guardian but this was:
Morgan returns for the Indian tour as Captain according to Whittaker and Hales was not going to be picked for Bangladesh 'back to County cricket'. So that experiment is over.
soooo... Hameed has a real chance to cement a place.. we really have got to stick with this kid and let him learn in Test matches. Some of the others will have to score more to cover if the guy is not an instant success.
:)
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Great to have someone like Hameed in there! Really encouraging for all the young guns on the circuit that if they put in a season of decent performances they could be in with a shout of a call up. Remember that Hameed was dropped from England U19 nine months ago, he must have an unbelievable attitude and temperament.
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Great to have someone like Hameed in there! Really encouraging for all the young guns on the circuit that if they put in a season of decent performances they could be in with a shout of a call up. Remember that Hameed was dropped from England U19 nine months ago, he must have an unbelievable attitude and temperament.
exactly right.... you don't get picked out of nowhere these days thou, they asses player much more.The coaches have an input on temperament Thorpe especially.
I dunno about anyone else, and it does not really matter what your background to be honest, but the fact this lad did not come from a preveliged educational background makes me very happy. :)
don't get me wrong Buzz and fattus, I don't have a poster of Mussolini on my wall. But it does show talent is finding it's way thru they system :) :)
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exactly right.... you don't get picked out of nowhere these days thou, they asses player much more.The coaches have an input on temperament Thorpe especially.
I dunno about anyone else, and it does not really matter what your background to be honest, but the fact this lad did not come from a preveliged educational background makes me very happy. :)
don't get me wrong Buzz and fattus, I don't have a poster of Mussolini on my wall. But it does show talent is finding it's way thru they system :) :)
A Google suggests Bolton School is an independent, so yeah...
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What's leach like with the bat?
Basically Batty won't play unless there's a series of injuries. If you are going to have someone kicking around the dressing room not playing you might as well have someone with his experience to help the younger spinners. Let leach etc go with Lions and get a full tour of meaningful cricket under their belts.
Ansari will only play if we go with three spinners, if that's the case then the batting will be weakened so that third spinner ideally needs to be a proper batsmen, Ansari fits the bill.
There's a logic to the selection.
There's a lot of outrage on social media about this leach not being picked from a lot of people who about 3 weeks ago had never heard of him. It's ridiculous.
All that said I would have taken Rayner
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Although I don't agree with the decision, and don't really rate Ansari as being een close to test class, I do sort of understand it.
If we agree that Ali is our notional number one spinner but will in fact take the fifth batting slot and come in at seven behind Bairstow (keeper) and Stokes (third/fourth seamer) with Woakes, Rashid, Broad and Anderson rounding out our "first" XI then you already hae a bit of a disconnect - Rashid is a great second innings bowler but will not contain in the first dig. Likewise, Ali can leak runs. If a bowler is left out because the pitch demands three spinners, you would assume that Woakes would make way. In that case, you want a) a bowler different to the other two spinners (which ruled out Rayner) and b) one who fills the gap in styles - so a containing bowler. Leach looks to flight the ball a lot, whereas Ansari has, when I've seen him, been ruthlessly economical - and he has the advantage of being a decent bat to boot.
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Can't believe they dropped Samit!!
If someone was holding Samit, I can understand why they dropped him.
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If someone was holding Samit, I can understand why they dropped him.
Sat next to him at the Chinese restaurant we were taken to in the evening after the GM launch, on the day he scored 100. He looked pretty trim but he piled into the starters!
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Saw Samit at Sacarborough - so much talent, but his fitnes was appalling - after lunch on day one he just stopped trying in the field. He let a boundary go that was hit, not overly hard, about a foot to his left then waited petulantly for someone in the crowd to field it for him. Boy did he take some stick for that.
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Watched some Hameed county championship highlight videos earlier, god he makes batting look easy! Potential shootout between him and Duckett in the warmup games, it's been announced Cook will miss them for the birth of his child.
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Watched some Hameed county championship highlight videos earlier, god he makes batting look easy! Potential shootout between him and Duckett in the warmup games, it's been announced Cook will miss them for the birth of his child.
not been this excited about a player so quite some time, potential of course but he has plenty. Whittaker said Hales was not going to be picked anyway so he's not a stand in.
We have to back talent and stick with it. Hales is a goon, and never an opening batsman in Test cricket. There may well be a spot in the middle order maybe later and white ball cricket for sure, but for now we got a real opener.
I hope England back him all the way
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Wish him all the best, genuinely think he could be a great long term plan! Coming from Essex would loved to have seen someone like Browne or Westley in there, but guess there isn't loads of room for spaces!
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I think it's a warm up game today prior to the ODI's - can anyone confirm?
If so, will there be any coverage or scorecards of it?
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Actually, I think it might be tomorrow. Anyone care to have a stab at the ODI side?
Roy
Vince
Root
Duckett
Butler
Stokes
Bairstow
Mo
Woakes
Rashid
Willey
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Roy
Hales Vince
Root Duckett
Morgan* Stokes
Butler*+
Stokes Bairstow
Mo
Woakes
Plunkett
Rashid
Willey
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I think we must be careful with our reliance on Stokes. I think I read somewhere he is a bit poo against spin, and as thrilling as he can be, shouldn't really be relied on for anything better than beefy runs from number 6.
IMHO
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Roy
Duckett
Rooooooot Moeeeeeeeeen
Buttler
Stokes
Barstow
Moeeeeen Billings
Woakes
Plunkett
Rashid
Dawson
Not sure the point of willey playing in Bangladesh, we need about 4 spinners really.
Separately the odi series is a huge opportunity for duckett to get first stab as the test opener.
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Roy
Duckett
Root Vince
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow
Moeen
Woakes
Plunkett
Rashid
Willey
For me
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Dawson at 11 @Buzz? Here a batsman who bowls some useful spin, so would be wasted on that role
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Roy
Mo
Root
Duckett
Stokes
Buttler
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Dawson
Willey
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Root is rested for the ODIs for those that don't realise.
Roy
Vince
Duckett
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Dawson
Woakes
Willey
Rashid
With Plunkett in for Dawson if the pitch isnt turning a stupid amount.
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Root is rested for the ODIs for those that don't realise.
Roy
Vince
Duckett
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Dawson
Woakes
Willey
Rashid
With Plunkett in for Dawson if the pitch isnt turning a stupid amount.
This is pretty much what I was thinking. They may well chuck Billings in instead of Bairstow though, which wouldn't be a terrible thing I don't think..
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Would also like to see Billings get a game
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roy
duckett
vince
stokes
buttler
billings
woakes
ali
plunkett
willey
rashid
tough on yjb but id rather try a few youngsters against a bangladesh side that has won its ladt 5/6 home odi series (or something like that)
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'If the pitch doesn't spin a stupid amount'
I really wish people would watch recent matches in Bangladesh before making moronic comments like this. Bangladesh has a fine batch of young fast bowlers. Against the recent series against both South Africa and India none of the pitches where square turners. They had plenty in them for fast bowlers. Even in Mustafizur's absence the pitches won't suddenly turn into what India and Sri Lanka produce at home
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roy
duckett
vince
stokes
buttler
billings
woakes
ali
plunkett
willey
rashid
tough on yjb but id rather try a few youngsters against a bangladesh side that has won its ladt 5/6 home odi series (or something like that)
If YJB doesn't play every match after being rested by the ECB morons there'll be a riot. I'd say:
Roy
Ali
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Billings
Woakes
Plunkett
Willey
Rashid
Lots of batting, good range of bowling to take advantages of the unusual conditions (low but not overly slow is going to really challenge the batsmen)
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Not sure on line up. Cricinfo short of well info. But
England beingnput to sword. Imran kayes just fell on 121 off 91balls.
Select do are 190 for 3 of 28. Rashid going at 9 am over! Could bechasing 350 plus here.
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Plunkett off injured, Stokes off being unwell.. Think the later might just be heatstroke though
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'If the pitch doesn't spin a stupid amount'
I really wish people would watch recent matches in Bangladesh before making moronic comments like this. Bangladesh has a fine batch of young fast bowlers. Against the recent series against both South Africa and India none of the pitches where square turners. They had plenty in them for fast bowlers. Even in Mustafizur's absence the pitches won't suddenly turn into what India and Sri Lanka produce at home
Hence why I stated my team for presuming they won't spin like crazy.
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Plunkett off injured, Stokes off being unwell.. Think the later might just be heatstroke though
Stokes may be having an adverse effect due to yesterday's Durham news.....
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Ah.
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From Cricinfo, looks like they're lining up as:
Roy
Vince
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Plunkett
Rashid
Seems fair, as above, not going to be raging turners, so no Dawson. Still wouldn't mind Billings getting a game, but you'd say Bairstow has the capacity to bat at 4 in an ODI whereas I wouldn't be so sure about Billings. Ball might get a go in the first game if Plunkett has gone off lame.....
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I think James Vince has taken a copious amount of steroids this morning. Look at him go!
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Sounds like a captains innings so far from Mr Buttler...
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pretty easy from the scorecard by the looks of it, 300 is nothing these days to chase.
and looks like everyone got in and got a bat.
good to see duckett in, the kid has got real talent. Got a feeling he will get a good run in the one day team and poss the tests.
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Interesting that Stokes was snailing (relatively), wonder if it was him being unwell, or him struggling with a slowere pitch?
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Interesting that Stokes was snailing (relatively), wonder if it was him being unwell, or him struggling with a slowere pitch?
Has he ever scored runs on pitches that turn??
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It's not the turn that does Stokes, it's the slowness. He plays with hard hands, out in front of his body, which works well on fast pitches.
Just inhibits him somewhat on slow pitches. He's like the anti-VVS Laxman.....
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Buttler looks ready to be given another crack in the test team, he's far too talented to leave on the sidelines. I'd like to see him keep and bat 7 ....
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
That's some middle order !