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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: i12breakfree on December 01, 2016, 04:27:40 PM
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Butterfly willow
I have been keen on trying the butterfly willow bats but buying from UK seemed like an expensive option. Then i saw TON Reserve edition in butter fly willow and thought to check with batmakers in India.
Finally ordered 2 bats from RS (one for me and one may sell locally to someone)and i am impressed by the quality of the bats and initial ping of the bat from the butterfly section is nice. Still have knock and get it ready but seems like a good buy.
Bats are 2-9 and 2-10 and 40 mm plus edges and duckbill profile to keep the weight down as butterfly willow seems to be on the heavier side. From grading perspective i can say grade 1 butterfly willow as they have nice grains.
Here are the pics
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(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161020_185536_zpslyhieg83.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161020_185536_zpslyhieg83.jpg.html)
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161020_185545_zpsrlxvyeic.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161020_185545_zpsrlxvyeic.jpg.html)
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(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161020_185805_zpsw60cfpcj.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161020_185805_zpsw60cfpcj.jpg.html)
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Bat 1 is lush !! Great score that mate
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Nice bat mate. Some lovely butterfly bats coming out these days.
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Iv just finished a bat with butterfly willow and like you its my first time ever having this type of willow. Only knocking in at present and tapping up an old ball but it's lovely and reckon it will be a stunning bat. It's very similar to the first pictured bat with clean even grains and a single stain in the middle of the blade.
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I did t know you could buy direct from RS, had my eye on them for a little while as that profile you have there is a cracker
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Lovely profile (if anything I'd want the middle a touch lower) but that looks like the perfect piece of willow to me!
Heartwood on the inside edge, butterfly right in the middle and even straight grains, beautiful!
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Iv just finished a bat with butterfly willow and like you its my first time ever having this type of willow. Only knocking in at present and tapping up an old ball but it's lovely and reckon it will be a stunning bat. It's very similar to the first pictured bat with clean even grains and a single stain in the middle of the blade.
Yes they don't sell direct.
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Lovely bats and big for the weight considering they are butterfly. How much did they set you back by if you don't mind me asking?
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couple more pics
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161201_232017_zps6hvzwqxh.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161201_232017_zps6hvzwqxh.jpg.html)
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161201_232033_zpsuytbkt6q.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161201_232033_zpsuytbkt6q.jpg.html)
Lovely bats and big for the weight considering they are butterfly. How much did they set you back by if you don't mind me asking?
Both came for 325 USD shipped.
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I think they look ugly if you speak cosmetics. I mean, horribly ugly.
And the price makes it even worse.
A butterfly willow as it looks in these bats never makes to top or even mid end bats. Not even grade 3.
I would not spend more $80 on these bats; however, I don't have any issue with anyone spending any amount on their bats.
I hope they help you score some runs but I doubt if you will keep them - probably good for net practice?
It's also funny how bat makers used a market ploy to call it "butterfly" Mark - as if it's something nice and pretty looking. I would rather call it psoriasis marks.
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I think they look ugly if you speak cosmetics. I mean, horribly ugly.
And the price makes it even worse.
A butterfly willow as it looks in these bats never makes to top or even mid end bats. Not even grade 3.
I would not spend more $80 on these bats; however, I don't have any issue with anyone spending any amount on their bats.
I hope they help you score some runs but I doubt if you will keep them - probably good for net practice?
It's also funny how bat makers used a market ploy to call it "butterfly" Mark - as if it's something nice and pretty looking. I would rather call it psoriasis marks.
Some people do find them 'ugly' and they avoid them for that reason. Those people who are less shallow get far less expensive bats that perform as will as any higher grade bats.
Those in the know appreciate the ignorance and snobbery of people who only go for 'pro' grade as it leaves more of the cheaper butterfly's for ourselves.
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I think they look ugly if you speak cosmetics. I mean, horribly ugly.
And the price makes it even worse.
A butterfly willow as it looks in these bats never makes to top or even mid end bats. Not even grade 3.
I would not spend more $80 on these bats; however, I don't have any issue with anyone spending any amount on their bats.
I hope they help you score some runs but I doubt if you will keep them - probably good for net practice?
It's also funny how bat makers used a market ploy to call it "butterfly" Mark - as if it's something nice and pretty looking. I would rather call it psoriasis marks.
You are a little ray of sunshine !! No wonder less and less put pics of their bats on.
The bats look brilliant. Well done sir.
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bats look good! personally not a fan of butterfly willow as i prefer a clean face but the more i see like these with lovely grains underneath the more im tempted!!!
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I think they look ugly if you speak cosmetics. I mean, horribly ugly.
And the price makes it even worse.
A butterfly willow as it looks in these bats never makes to top or even mid end bats. Not even grade 3.
I would not spend more $80 on these bats; however, I don't have any issue with anyone spending any amount on their bats.
I hope they help you score some runs but I doubt if you will keep them - probably good for net practice?
It's also funny how bat makers used a market ploy to call it "butterfly" Mark - as if it's something nice and pretty looking. I would rather call it psoriasis marks.
These have been called Butterfly long before the marketing men discovered them! The most sought after bats at one time for their performance..
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Stop feeding the troll people!
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From the laver and wood book on bats:
Len Newbery, one of the most influential personalities in the batmaking industry in the 1970s shares our sentiments on Butterfly Willow. "The timber of the 'salix alba caurulea' is distinguished by a bright orange stain which is known in the trade as 'Butterfly' stain'. When these stains appear on the blades of bats, players often reject such bats as thinking that the stains are faults or knots, whereas they are in fact the hallmark of the finest quality cricket bat willow."
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Some people do find them 'ugly' and they avoid them for that reason. Those people who are less shallow get far less expensive bats that perform as will as any higher grade bats.
Those in the know appreciate the ignorance and snobbery of people who only go for 'pro' grade as it leaves more of the cheaper butterfly's for ourselves.
Not a fan of Butterfly find the willow heavy. Also don't agree it's ignorance or snobbery to go for pro bats.
Also doubt many would buy butterfly willow once they have used white and light low density willow.
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Also don't agree it's ignorance or snobbery to go for pro bats.
Fair call. However, one of the many things I have learnt from the forum is that performance and grade do not go hand in hand.
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Fair call. However, one of the many things I have learnt from the forum is that performance and grade do not go hand in hand.
Without a doubt low grade willow correctly pressed can ping equally as well as high grade.
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butterfly willow definitely the trend!
just wondering, I've seen a few English brands do these and now RS as well as SS Ton.
have any of the Pakistani brands tried these yet?
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Isn't it just that batmakers are likely to give good-looking willow more love and attention, as they know these are what they can sell at a premium price?
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I love, love, love the RS Rage shape. Can these be got in the UK?
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@Sitonit it's fine if u don't like butterfly willow but you just went overboard when you said psoriasis.
I have some one close who has psoriasis and life is not easy with a disease which doesn't have a cure.
So think before you write.
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Isn't it just that batmakers are likely to give good-looking willow more love and attention, as they know these are what they can sell at a premium price?
I am confident batmakers put the same effort in regardless of the grade. I can't imagine it is quicker or easier to make a bat badly than make a bat well.
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I think they look ugly if you speak cosmetics. I mean, horribly ugly.
And the price makes it even worse.
A butterfly willow as it looks in these bats never makes to top or even mid end bats. Not even grade 3.
I would not spend more $80 on these bats; however, I don't have any issue with anyone spending any amount on their bats.
I hope they help you score some runs but I doubt if you will keep them - probably good for net practice?
It's also funny how bat makers used a market ploy to call it "butterfly" Mark - as if it's something nice and pretty looking. I would rather call it psoriasis marks.
Also butterfly willow is the lowest willow you can get how many batmakers will tell you that.
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Nice bat.
Grass wants cutting though.
Just sayin ;)
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I am confident batmakers put the same effort in regardless of the grade. I can't imagine it is quicker or easier to make a bat badly than make a bat well.
So bat performance should be the same across the grades?
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Without a doubt low grade willow correctly pressed can ping equally as well as high grade.
I'm not sure if a back bat maker or a vendor would say that. In fact, I have never met a low grade bat that pinged as well as as a high-grade bat.
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I personally feel a lot of the performance of a bat is in the mind.
If you can afford Pro Grade willow, go ahead. I certainly buy Pro/LE/SE grade bats based entirely on the arguement that it's the most expensive therefore it must be the best. Because I feel like it have the best willow, I feel i'll get the best result.
It's probably all bobbins, Butterfly probably plays as well as Pro. But I sleep soundly at night knowing I've done all I can to get off a blob and contribute to the team :D
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^ Has anyone here really done an apples-to-apples comparison? Two bats of same shape, same weight, different grade willow , but pressed by the same bat maker?
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^ Has anyone here really done an apples-to-apples comparison? Two bats of same shape, same weight, different grade willow , but pressed by the same bat maker?
What comparison are you looking at?
I have an RS grade 1 in same profile . 2-11 weight
The finishing and initial ping quality sounds same.
Have-not knocked any of the two so cannot comment more and that was the reason to try butterfly.
I guess people you have used butterfly willow recently can comment.
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What comparison are you looking at?
I have an RS grade 1 in same profile . 2-11 weight
The finishing and initial ping quality sounds same.
Have-not knocked any of the two so cannot comment more and that was the reason to try butterfly.
I guess people you have used butterfly willow recently can comment.
Finishing doesn't matter, we are discussing performance i.e. ball's rebound off surface of the bat and the speed with which a ball bounces off the face; also, how bats perform in a net or middle situation. So, here is (my crack at ) the initial criteria:
- mallet response of the two bats
- net / middle performance of bats
- under equal load, amount of time it takes for bats to peak
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^ Has anyone here really done an apples-to-apples comparison? Two bats of same shape, same weight, different grade willow , but pressed by the same bat maker?
Twice.
Had the same design b3 made in grade 1 and grade 3 from the same willow. One looked better but they performed the same(dude that bought the G3 one from me scored 1000 plus runs with it last year)
I also had a grade 1 b3 I loved, so had it replicated in the butterfly willow! Both performances were off the charts. 2 of my top 5 bats owned.
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Case closed.
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So, moral of the story is buy the lower grade bat?
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I think if you are a serious about your game you should buy nicest pingyest bat you can afford
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here's the pic from TON i was referring to earlier
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/TONB_zpsahbrbvwi.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/TONB_zpsahbrbvwi.jpg.html)
Hope they are not selling this for reserve edition price
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Twice.
Had the same design b3 made in grade 1 and grade 3 from the same willow. One looked better but they performed the same(dude that bought the G3 one from me scored 1000 plus runs with it last year)
I also had a grade 1 b3 I loved, so had it replicated in the butterfly willow! Both performances were off the charts. 2 of my top 5 bats owned.
But we know give all grades the same attention. I suggested this might not be the case with other brands. Lower grades might be pressed to be more durable, rather than to ensure optimum performance? (And, yes, I know this doesn't mean hard vs. soft.)
Just speculating.
I received an email from Newbery offering an upgrade from Players to SPS. It was selling it to me by saying "the difference is astounding", or something similar.
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I think if you are a serious about your game you should buy nicest pingyest bat you can afford
Which, even if you are a millionaire, might actually be a butterfly?
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I think if you are a serious about your game you should buy nicest pingyest bat you can afford
How do you quantify this though?
If you tap up two bats in a shop, how can you guarantee the "pingier" of the two will still be that after knocking them both in?
Also, I've seen a bat dubbed a plank by one person get sold to a teammate who proclaimed it was the best bat they had ever used.
As much as we all like "hand picked" bats because they were "picked on performance" I feel that ping is a somewhat subjective subject.
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Some people do find them 'ugly' and they avoid them for that reason. Those people who are less shallow get far less expensive bats that perform as will as any higher grade bats.
Those in the know appreciate the ignorance and snobbery of people who only go for 'pro' grade as it leaves more of the cheaper butterfly's for ourselves.
You are a little ray of sunshine !! No wonder less and less put pics of their bats on.
The bats look brilliant. Well done sir.
These have been called Butterfly long before the marketing men discovered them! The most sought after bats at one time for their performance..
OK, cry babies..
Look at Ebay Item # 112148598072
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)
This is what I think a "Butterfly" mark is worth. Does anyone have to agree with it? NO!
Why do I put such a low value on a butterfly marked bat? Tap the mallet on that ugly mark and tap it anywhere else, and you will notice difference ONLY AND ONLY IF YOU ARE NOT HELL BENT TO BLINDLY DEFEND BUTTERFLY MARKS - AND YOU ARE OPEN TO LEARN.
The butterfly mark is a dead zone!
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@Sitonit it's fine if u don't like butterfly willow but you just went overboard when you said psoriasis.
I have some one close who has psoriasis and life is not easy with a disease which doesn't have a cure.
So think before you write.
Dude, Sorry about your loved one who has psoriasis, and I hope they recover soon.
But seriously, do you think I know you or your friend and I intentionally said it? I apologize anyway but seriously, you need to be a bit more mature.
I have a butterfly garden for example, and I see that one of my favorite butterflies died for whatever reason. Now someone mentions a "butterfly" mark on a cricket bat on an internet forum, should I ask for a tissue paper to wipe my tears?
anyway, all the best to your loved one. Say Hi to them for me.
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here's the pic from TON i was referring to earlier
([url]http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/TONB_zpsahbrbvwi.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/TONB_zpsahbrbvwi.jpg.html[/url])
Hope they are not selling this for reserve edition price
A low profile CRICKETER who could be a very nice human being so nothing personal against him.
It's quite possible that TON has accumiliated hundred and thousands of these butterfly mark clefts as part of their huge shipments that gets filtered out, and these clefts are rejected but TON needs to move them and make big money.
So now they have paid him some money to take a photo with such an ugly willow in an attempt to set a new, yet false, trend of making people think that butterfly marks is the modern way to go to get high performance and show off. My foot!
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Dude, Sorry about your loved one who has psoriasis, and I hope they recover soon.
But seriously, do you think I know you or your friend and I intentionally said it? I apologize anyway but seriously, you need to be a bit more mature.
I have a butterfly garden for example, and I see that one of my favorite butterflies died for whatever reason. Now someone mentions a "butterfly" mark on a cricket bat on an internet forum, should I ask for a tissue paper to wipe my tears?
anyway, all the best to your loved one. Say Hi to them for me.
I think your taking the p**s now and if you think it ok to take the Micky out of someone with a disability you really are sick all I can say I hope I never meet you or your end up with a disability yourself 😡
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Dude, Sorry about your loved one who has psoriasis, and I hope they recover soon.
But seriously, do you think I know you or your friend and I intentionally said it? I apologize anyway but seriously, you need to be a bit more mature.
I have a butterfly garden for example, and I see that one of my favorite butterflies died for whatever reason. Now someone mentions a "butterfly" mark on a cricket bat on an internet forum, should I ask for a tissue paper to wipe my tears?
anyway, all the best to your loved one. Say Hi to them for me.
Probably a little ironic you telling him to be more mature and then you post something like that, I can lend you a mirror if you'd like to use that to look at yourself before judging others. And the fact you say hope they recover soon from a disease that has no cure just furthers the view of just how immature you are in my mind as does your analogy of your butterfly garden being compared to a life changing disease
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The butterfly mark is a dead zone!
Until it is knocked/played in, which admittedly can take an agonisingly long time, then its probably the most responsive part of the whole tree.
In an era where people demand instant performance from the day of purchase, and value is put on looks, its easy to see why butterfly has fallen out of favour. At one time it was the most valuable type of willow.
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Tim Phillips using a b3 butterfly he didn't even knock in!!
https://youtu.be/VeJQoKNF-x4
Definately no performance there..........
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Until it is knocked/played in, which admittedly can take an agonisingly long time, then its probably the most responsive part of the whole tree.
In an era where people demand instant performance from the day of purchase, and value is put on looks, its easy to see why butterfly has fallen out of favour. At one time it was the most valuable type of willow.
You may call yourself some high profile bat expert but sorry, I don't agree with you.
Butterfly mark does not get any better even if you bang it with a sledge hammer.
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Last year sd sold the kookaburra bubble star that was bleached underneath was butterfly stains and cost 11 pound some of the best pinging bats I have had take time to get going but boy do they go
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My mate using his b3 butterfly
https://youtu.be/L-33xYxcRNk
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Tim Phillips using a b3 butterfly he didn't even knock in!!
https://youtu.be/VeJQoKNF-x4
Definately no performance there..........
What do you have? A microscope attached to your eyes? Are you saying every six that he hit was made because the ball made the contact in the heart of butterfly mark?
If yes, that's the case then it makes it even worse. Because now what you are saying is that a batsman has to be super focused and super correct to make sure the ball hits the butterfly mark to travel farther.
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Last year sd sold the kookaburra bubble star that was bleached underneath was butterfly stains and cost 11 pound some of the best pinging bats I have had take time to get going but boy do they go
No, they don't! You are hallucinating.
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No, they don't! You are hallucinating.
Off course mate mate whatever you want to believe
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I've actually got one of said butterfly bats from sd at the moment and definitely pings and that's from the word go, maybe it isnt the bat that's the problem but instead the one who is holding it....
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You may call yourself some high profile bat expert but sorry, I don't agree with you.
Butterfly mark does not get any better even if you bang it with a sledge hammer.
I don't call myself anything.
Believe whatever you like, it seems sensible discussion falls on deaf ears.
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I don't call myself anything.
No need to mate, I call you more than enough to make up for it! ;)
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Until it is knocked/played in, which admittedly can take an agonisingly long time, then its probably the most responsive part of the whole tree.
In an era where people demand instant performance from the day of purchase, and value is put on looks, its easy to see why butterfly has fallen out of favour. At one time it was the most valuable type of willow.
The reality is that I don't have a lot of time during or before season to knock (net or mallet) a bat to prepare it. Naturally, the bat that opens up quickly with little effort is the winner. I am not the only one who feels this way and this is the reality of today's amateur/hobbyist cricketer. Having said that, bats that open up quickly or are not less durable than ones that take a long time.
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The reality is that I don't have a lot of time during or before season to knock (net or mallet) a bat to prepare it. Naturally, the bat that opens up quickly with little effort is the winner. I am not the only one who feels this way and this is the reality of today's amateur/hobbyist cricketer. Having said that, bats that open up quickly or are not less durable than ones that take a long time.
I was gonna post this on the Lignum Vitae mallet thread. I have a grainy RNS kohli profile. The bat ping at start was average. At the same time i bought the mallet. So religiously i spent 10-15 minutes daily knocking the bat. That bat has opened up so well that it may be one of the best pinging bats i have with me. It took time but worth the effort. And since i know how well the bat is knocked, i should be less worried of edge cracks etc.
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Tim Phillips retired aged 33.
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I was gonna post this on the Lignum Vitae mallet thread. I have a grainy RNS kohli profile. The bat ping at start was average. At the same time i bought the mallet. So religiously i spent 10-15 minutes daily knocking the bat. That bat has opened up so well that it may be one of the best pinging bats i have with me. It took time but worth the effort. And since i know how well the bat is knocked, i should be less worried of edge cracks etc.
That is great !
I don't care about the looks of the bat, give me an ugly bat that performs any day. It is the time that is a big factor.
I also think there are some bats , regardless of how ugly they are, just don't perform no matter how much you knock them.
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butterfly stains in the willow are imperfections although the marks add strengh to the bat and the stained area is harder willow with butterfly stain is not graded
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I think when you are paying for a "higher" grade bat, you are essentially reducing or eliminating the possibility that a bat won't perform. I would love to buy bats with ugly faces at cheap prices if they all performed. Unfortunately, that is not the reality. Not all ugly faced bats are performers or early performers.
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I think when you are paying for a "higher" grade bat, you are essentially reducing or eliminating the possibility that a bat won't perform. I would love to buy bats with ugly faces at cheap prices if they all performed. Unfortunately, that is not the reality. Not all ugly faced bats are performers or early performers.
I don't agree. I have had lovely looking planks from big brand companies. I have found every bat from respected makers have performed very well for me. Personally I have found some of the larger brand offerings a little hit and miss.
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Some better looking butterfly is now classed as Grade 2 by J.S. Wright's.
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Yes I have also had that once brought a bat from a shop and found it to be a plank sent it back to the big player manufacturer for there opinion and they replaced it.
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Some better looking butterfly is now classed as Grade 2 by J.S. Wright's.
Grade 2 butterfly
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Grade 2 butterfly
No, grade 2.
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The reality is that I don't have a lot of time during or before season to knock (net or mallet) a bat to prepare it. Naturally, the bat that opens up quickly with little effort is the winner. I am not the only one who feels this way and this is the reality of today's amateur/hobbyist cricketer. Having said that, bats that open up quickly or are not less durable than ones that take a long time.
No, you are totally wrong. Absolutely dead wrong!! Or perhaps you are knowingly shooting from the hip to defend butterfly marks because you think you know more cricket.
Think about it.
If there was an iota of truth in butterfly marks creating more ping after extensive knocking then international pros would all have had these bats with double triple butterfly marks, specially knocked in for them either by the sponsoring company, manufacturer or by hired professionals.
May be YOU don't have the time for extra knocking into the butterfly marks but international players have the MONEY to get this done by a third party.
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I really don't get this aggressive line of argumentation. It doesn't reflect well on @Sitonit at all. Can't you just agree to disagree, or do you have to enforce your opinions on forumites like a conqueror of a foreign land?
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No, you are totally wrong. Absolutely dead wrong!! Or perhaps you are knowingly shooting from the hip to defend butterfly marks because you think you know more cricket.
NO! NO! For God's sake man, don't sit on the fence- say what you mean!
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Is this the same fella that, about a week ago, was equally insistent that being soft pressed was what made bats perform well?
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I really don't get this aggressive line of argumentation. It doesn't reflect well on @Sitonit at all. Can't you just agree to disagree, or do you have to enforce your opinions on forumites like a conqueror of a foreign land?
Well, may be this argument is not for the faint hearted so you can excuse yourself. hehehe
The reason behind this argument (and many of my arguments ) is to wake this dying forum up !!!.
There are hardly more posts here. No discussion, no ideas, no nothing.
Once in a while someone tries to show off his crappy bat by uploading some grainy pixilated photos, and rest of the clan starts saying ... "wow,, wow,, wow... what a bat, what bat, what a beauty yada yada yada".... and that's about it.
WE MUST DISAGREE WITH WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING - otherwise you are more than welcome to keep browning your nose!
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NO! NO! For God's sake man, don't sit on the fence- say what you mean!
lol haha
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The reason behind this argument (and many of my arguments ) is to wake this dying forum up !!!.
If this forum is dying - feel free to be the rat that leaves the sinking ship.
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then international pros would all have had these bats with double triple butterfly marks
Ah yes, pros with huge sponsorship deals wielding ugly bats on the tv, thatll really make the bats fly off the shelf
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Well, may be this argument is not for the faint hearted so you can excuse yourself. hehehe
The reason behind this argument (and many of my arguments ) is to wake this dying forum up !!!.
There are hardly more posts here. No discussion, no ideas, no nothing.
Once in a while someone tries to show off his crappy bat by uploading some grainy pixilated photos, and rest of the clan starts saying ... "wow,, wow,, wow... what a bat, what bat, what a beauty yada yada yada".... and that's about it.
WE MUST DISAGREE WITH WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING - otherwise you are more than welcome to keep browning your nose!
What do you actually add to the forum other than being a dick we all have our idea what the best bit of willow is but doesn't mean we are right or wrong so my question to you is what do you add other than talk a lot do sh*t
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Once in a while someone tries to show off his crappy bat by uploading some grainy pixilated photos, and rest of the clan starts saying ... "wow,, wow,, wow... what a bat, what bat, what a beauty yada yada yada".... and that's about it.
Can we see your crappy kit please @Sitonit
You can even post clear photos instead of pixelated ones if you wish...
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I think this topic has now lost its way...
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I think this topic has now lost its way...
Ya ..we all need Friday what am I drinking thread.
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Butterfly willow
I have been keen on trying the butterfly willow bats but buying from UK seemed like an expensive option. Then i saw TON Reserve edition in butter fly willow and thought to check with batmakers in India.
Finally ordered 2 bats from RS (one for me and one may sell locally to someone)and i am impressed by the quality of the bats and initial ping of the bat from the butterfly section is nice. Still have knock and get it ready but seems like a good buy.
Bats are 2-9 and 2-10 and 40 mm plus edges and duckbill profile to keep the weight down as butterfly willow seems to be on the heavier side. From grading perspective i can say grade 1 butterfly willow as they have nice grains.
Here are the pics
([url]http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161020_185525_zpsxzccdvzb.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/IMG_20161020_185525_zpsxzccdvzb.jpg.html[/url])
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The first of the two is lovely looking, how does the butterfly close to the middle effect the feel @i12breakfree ?
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Ya ..we all need Friday what am I drinking thread.
There you go !! :D :D
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No, you are totally wrong. Absolutely dead wrong!! Or perhaps you are knowingly shooting from the hip to defend butterfly marks because you think you know more cricket.
Hahahhhaa, I am implying the exact opposite of what you are inferring from my post.
Such passion, such psychotic rant! Tut tut. Kanye was ok after he checked himself in a mental institution. Now, I am not saying you should do that, in fact don't even think about it. But for your sake, stay away from sharp objects, cars, guns, and building roofs.
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Can we see your crappy kit please @Sitonit
You can even post clear photos instead of pixelated ones if you wish...
This IS my match bat.
Paid £25 in shipping for a £10 bat.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)
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This IS my match bat.
Paid £25 in shipping for a £10 bat.
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc[/url])
B... but... You said...?
Am I high?
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It's not worth fueling the fire. People without respect deserve a cold shoulder. You can disagree with someone and have debate without causing deliberate offence.
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This IS my match bat.
Paid £25 in shipping for a £10 bat.
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc[/url])
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/2013-12/eb6_zpscv4lzycj.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/2013-12/eb6_zpscv4lzycj.jpg.html)
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Jeebus... this thread. The actual bats look lovely, particularly the shape of the second one! My personal experience with butterfly willow is 100% positive, had two superb bats from on here with lovely pingy stains, so no doubt they'll go well.
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My 2 Aldred butterfly grade bats are going very well. The only thing different from a standard all sap wood bat is that Butterfly bats sounds different.
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B... but... You said...?
Am I high?
Yeah, I said those butterfly marks under perform ,,,,,, that doesn't mean I oppose the purchase at the price. :D :D :D
So what if they look ugly? Haven't you heard the term, "cover the face and hit the base"?
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Jeebus... this thread. The actual bats look lovely, particularly the shape of the second one! My personal experience with butterfly willow is 100% positive, had two superb bats from on here with lovely pingy stains, so no doubt they'll go well.
My 2 Aldred butterfly grade bats are going very well. The only thing different from a standard all sap wood bat is that Butterfly bats sounds different.
Yeah Yeah yeah..... ::yawn::
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@i12breakfree Great looking bats for the price with straight grains.
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And there you go ........ thread dies off!
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So just been reading the pages of this thread. Wow. Firstly @Sitonit seeing you mock or make a joke at the expense of someone with a illness made we think what a (No Swearing Please). Seeing your response at defending your response and your sarcastic response confirmed your a (No Swearing Please) so please free to leave this "dying forum" immediately you won't be missed.
As for butterfly willow it performs well fact. If you look at batmakets that have been around a while Warsop for example they knew how good it was and made a lot of bats from this type of cleft. In the more recent times people have got used to the clean, white willow and the fashion of bats has changed. Does that mean they are not as good? No.
do they take a while to open up? Some yes and some no, mine is exceptional tapping a ball up, better than a new GM I'm knocking in anyway. Will it be better in the long run? Who knows. I do know a bat maker on here used a butterfly for 2/3 seassons as his match bat and he plays decent level
My final view is profiles are lovely and in the current climate of prices (most top end pads £100+) I think price is fair
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Rarely has any bat been so effectively named... good work RS!!!
The subliminal marketing has worked
Btw I'm very superficial and prefer plain straight grains (as many as budget permits) & high middle
Ping; usually irrelevant as I am usually caught off the stickers at mid on
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Well as I sold over 100 on the forum for B3 and I tested many with a mallet I can honestly say butterfly bats like any other bat vary in quality and like all grades some are better than others.
As for my own personal thoughts, many people would use them more but they are picky about looks and it there money and fair play because batting is a mind game people should have what they want.
My personal theory is butterfly stain should be around the middle and tend not to need no knocking in as they are harder but the rest may but I really like butterfly mine where great bats both of them, and I used them and scored over 600 runs with one of them...
The bats on this thread look great profile and look nice, yes the butterfly is ugly but who said it wasn't but I hope they go like clappers. As your a bat collector I suspect you know your wood and I think they be right up there.
All horses for courses but I would have them in my bag everyday of the week, profile looks mega...
PS I suffer from Psoriasis AND IM DOING OK WITH STERIOD CREAM and your remarks do not offend pal.
@i12breakfree if your selling one let me know
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I also suffer from psoriasis, have done since childhood. Steroid cream is definitely effective, but long term usage can have side effects. For me, managing the condition is mostly a issue of diet, I try to eat healthy and avoid grain and carbs, minimise dairy and alcohol, eat organic meat wherever possible. There is another natural cream product called Salcura, from Germany, which does work given time. I also spend plenty of time in the sunshine, preferably fielding at mid-off for a few hours every week.
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I'm mainly on selsun for my scalp and I'm struggling with my elbows mainly.. Agree abiut the steroid cream mate.
The sun is the best action it hurts as a keeper if I have to dive my elbows just seeth blood.
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I'm mainly on selsun for my scalp and I'm struggling with my elbows mainly.. Agree abiut the steroid cream mate.
The sun is the best action it hurts as a keeper if I have to dive my elbows just seeth blood.
I don't think it will fully cure your problem, but have you though about the GN fielding elbow protectors?
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After I bought a bat from Phoenix......
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=39589.15 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=39589.15)
One of my team mate got one custom made for himself according to his budget (costed him INR 8750 including preparation & shipping). Definately not a good looking bat(he was not bothered by looks). But I was blown out by the performance, pickup & balance...just no words.
Weighs 2.9
41-42 mm edges
24mm toe
Full back
3 piece round cane handle
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/madpra6/Capture_zpsobuezsib.jpg) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/madpra6/media/Capture_zpsobuezsib.jpg.html)
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Just noticed that the cricket shed now have these RS Rage Butterfly Willow bats in stock. Perhaps the forum chat led them to stocking them :)
Although at 119.99, not sure if that's value for money?