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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: InternalTraining on December 15, 2016, 03:11:24 AM
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Well, first day-night Test match is underway in Brisbane. Australia bats first.
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All runs from boundaries so far, no strike rotation. Fun times ahead. :D
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Warner and Khwaja out. 75/2.
Australia still looking good.
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Smith Started off slowly but is getting in his stride now. The bowling from Rahat hasn't been the best.
I like the look of Renshaws XP70! Anyone got one?
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^ That's an XP-70? I couldn't tell.
Smith's bat is big too!
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Wahab strikes! Good line, and lot of pace. Renshaw was late in his shots when playing Wahab. Whew!
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Can't afford to drop smith, poor keeping
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The constant blabbering about picking three left-arm seamers is doing my nut in. You never hear this rubbish when a team has three right-arm quicks playing.
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Pressure on the Pakistan top order, disgraced former captain Salman Butt scored a century in each innings of the Pakistani domestic first class series final(125 & 105*). He could gain an unlikely recall...
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Highlight so far is the newly installed pool
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Highlight so far is the newly installed pool
the cameraman kept zooming in on this one lady...can't really blame him to be fair
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Expensive drop!!
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Just seen that Smith smashed it to Sarfaz on 97 but no one appealed :( :(
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Just seen that Smith smashed it to Sarfaz on 97 but no one appealed :( :(
Nice from Renshaw in the press conference...
https://twitter.com/CricketAus/status/809361810822336512
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Handscomb looks a proper player!
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Pakistan probably had some money on smith to get a 100 ;)
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Smith averaging 72 as captain with 8 tons in 18 games! That's some record!!
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lucky enough to be there yesterday, will get back in at some stage.
Decent size crowd, great vibe, I think the day/night test is here to stay. However as a spectator the ball is very difficult to track under lights when hit into the field.
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Smith dropped again, how lucky can he get?
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Pakistan are garbage in the field, no wonder Wasim and Waqar had such a high percentage of bowled/lbw dismissals, they had to take their fielders out of the equation because if they get nicks they're not going to catch them!
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Gotta feel for Wade here...only guy not to get a chance
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^ How are you watching it? PTV Live streaming is not working tonight on Youtube.
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I use Willow (need to be in US or have US vpn)
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Wahab or Amir to 5?
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Nathan Lyon is hitting Amir & Wahab for Fours! What's the world coming to. :D
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Wahab or Amir to 5?
Mohammad Amir perhaps needs it really badly because it will lift his confidence and make him feel really good (mentally).
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Lyon-Bird partnership has given Australia the match.
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Reckon pakistan will get knocked over in this session under lights
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King of Pancake pitches Younus Khan flops again. Overrated flat track bully.
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Gonna come down to Misbah to save the day as usual
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King of Pancake pitches Younus Khan flops again. Overrated flat track bully.
Over 100 tests, averages over 50, hasn't played at home for as long as anyone can remember.
"Flat track bully"
Classy.
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Over 100 tests, averages over 50, hasn't played at home for as long as anyone can remember.
"Flat track bully"
Classy.
Averages 50+ in all four innings in tests too. It's just the usual criticism levelled at a lot of Asian batsmen
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Aslam already hit twice on the head...taking his eye off the ball
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Over 100 tests, averages over 50, hasn't played at home for as long as anyone can remember.
"Flat track bully"
Classy.
Props his stats up by bashing on a post Murali Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. Overrated FTB
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King of Pancake pitches Younus Khan flops again. Overrated flat track bully.
Come on Felix... Steve Smith/David Warner perhaps but have a look at his record.. Yes lots of runs on the flatter pitches but look how old he is and how consistent he has been before he played on those middle east pitches.
I don't mind banter but even.you can't really believe he is mainly a flat track bully??
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Oh well, that's game over.
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As I said pakistan to be knocked over tonight, was always on the cards given their fragile batting line up
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8 down with 12 overs to go, chance for them to send them back in and knock over 2-3. Now that would be pretty embarassing
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I can't believe how poorly an international team are playing the short ball, someone will get seriously hurt the way they are taking their eyes off the ball.
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Reckon wade should spend a bit more time concentrating on his keeping and a little less time sledging the batsman. Aussie commentators making excuses for him
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Wade , what class up to the stumps ! Hope you're picked for the Indian tour .....it will be nightmarish.
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Wade , what class up to the stumps ! Hope you're picked for the Indian tour .....it will be nightmarish.
sarfraz was struggling with the bounce as well...guess 'modern' day keepers are not that good.
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Props his stats up by bashing on a post Murali Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. Overrated FTB
Hi @Felix Tito mate...How do you explain his average of 50, IN England? Didn't realize English pitches were flat, and that the likes of Anderson and Broad on English pitches are so easy to "bully".
He also averages 79 in India (where so many of the world's best are struggling). How many batsmen average 50+ in swinging AND spinning conditions?
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Sarfaraz not out 59, SR 92. He should be batting up in the order, move Azhar to #7 spot.
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I understand that Asian players perform better on "flat tracks" where it's easier to bat, but why do other countries (which are not considered flat tracks such as England, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand) players struggle scoring runs on flat tracks given it's easier and they score runs in tougher conditions?
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Hi @Felix Tito mate...How do you explain his average of 50, IN England? Didn't realize English pitches were flat, and that the likes of Anderson and Broad on English pitches are so easy to "bully".
He also averages 79 in India (where so many of the world's best are struggling). How many batsmen average 50+ in swinging AND spinning conditions?
You're trying to tell me Younus flogging 200 odd at the oval was on a bowler friendly pitch?
When's the last time Younus played in India? IIRC in the mid 2000s until the end of their big 5 pitches there offered nothing for bowlers. It was a batting paradise every match.
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I understand that Asian players perform better on "flat tracks" where it's easier to bat, but why do other countries (which are not considered flat tracks such as England, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand) players struggle scoring runs on flat tracks given it's easier and they score runs in tougher conditions?
It's the human condition I think: people play better on tracks they are accustomed to. It takes a very special batsman to score big in all conditions. At that (international) level, the name of the game is reactions and muscle memory; these batsman have their reactions hard wired to certain conditions and it is very difficult to re-adjust.
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Sarfaraz not out 59, SR 92. He should be batting up in the order, move Azhar to #7 spot.
I enjoyed watching sarfraz bat this morning, he played really well. Amir is also no slouch with the bat. It's just a shame the big guns up the order didn't fire!!
When Warner got 12 in the first over I thought there was going to be fireworks, but the bowlers came back well! They need a couple of quick wickets or they'll be chasing 500 in no time
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Bizarre the aussies didn't enforce the follow on. Smith probably wanted to add to his run tally. The Aussie board won't mind the test going another day
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Bizarre the aussies didn't enforce the follow on. Smith probably wanted to add to his run tally. The Aussie board won't mind the test going another day
Not really, the most difficult time to bat is in the third session under lights so Australia got to bat in the best batting conditions and then make Pakistan face the new ball under lights. It was the obvious move.
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Not really, the most difficult time to bat is in the third session under lights so Australia got to bat in the best batting conditions and then make Pakistan face the new ball under lights. It was the obvious move.
Let's be honest pakistan's batting wouldn't have survived long in the afternoon either. Would have made little difference
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Bizarre the aussies didn't enforce the follow on. Smith probably wanted to add to his run tally. The Aussie board won't mind the test going another day
They've got a swimming pool to pay for don't you know!! ;)
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They've got a swimming pool to pay for don't you know!! ;)
The comm's were worried next year the barmy army are going to take it over...then again no drinking allowed in that section
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Is Yasir Shah not fully fit? He seemed to bowl far too much on the pads in this match, which he doesn't normally do.
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Bad day for Nic Maddinson - 0,1,4 in his three Test innings to date. Though he is showing constant improvement, I guess...
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Bad day for Nic Maddinson - 0,1,4 in his three Test innings to date. Though he is showing constant improvement, I guess...
Judging by the highlights I saw, he was sent out with 2 overs till tea, knowing aus was declaring at tea and told to "show us what you can do"
He really wasn't on to a winner............. but sold up the river.
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Australia are always chasing their tails with their team selections. Why do they need a biffer at #6? Pick the best player available whether it's Patterson, Head or anyone else.
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I'd give Maddinson a chance to settle into the side and see if he has what it takes....
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I was not having a pop at him, more remarking that he had not had a lot of luck in how things have played out. They could have given him a pop up the order with that lead - he certainly appears to have the raw talent.
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I was not having a pop at him, more remarking that he had not had a lot of luck in how things have played out. They could have given him a pop up the order with that lead - he certainly appears to have the raw talent.
I've read that a lot to, many people reckon smith should have let him go in instead of him and had more of a chance.
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Fair play to Pakistan...they've shown some fight which I didn't expect. To take it to day 5 after their first innings is a good effort. They'll probably be disappointed giving wickets to Lyon.
Amir's batting pretty well
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That's already a massive 4th innings score...setting up for a much closer series than originally envisioned. 108 needed with 2 wickets left - Hoping for a tight finish tomorrow!
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If Pakistan can score 25-30 tomorrow without loss the Ozzie's will be twitching!!
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Also am absolutely loving BT's coverage! So, so much better than Sky's coupled with the fact you go back to any period during the day while watching on the app is great! Highlights always available on the app too!
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If Pakistan keep swinging the bat you never know :)
Great effort so far just to get this close.
I dont really get why enforcing follow on has gone out of cricket whichever nation is playing. Seems to be un fashionable to some reason
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Just watched the highlights.
Smith is a cracking fielder in the outfield. He takes some amazing catches. But in the slips, even when he takes them, he just seems to be in strange very ugly looking positions.
Which lead to 2 drops today.
Pakistan fighting hard.
Amir and starc. They say it was about his knee recovery, but I'm pretty sure amir asked if it was a no ball and starc bought up the past!!
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Hopefully, this doesn't jinx it for Asad Shafiq but his innings was a joy to watch, a great knock! I don't predict a happy ending for Pakistan in this match. Starc et-al will pound that pitch hard and use every verbal intimidation tactic to get the last two wickets.
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Just watched the highlights.
Smith is a cracking fielder in the outfield. He takes some amazing catches. But in the slips, even when he takes them, he just seems to be in strange very ugly looking positions.
Which lead to 2 drops today.
Pakistan fighting hard.
Amir and starc. They say it was about his knee recovery, but I'm pretty sure amir asked if it was a no ball and starc bought up the past!!
Starc said " What was that mate? Did you have something to say? "
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Starc said " What was that mate? Did you have something to say? "
Really?! That was border line civil, I was expecting worse. Phew!
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Bloody hell, what if it actually happens?
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^ If that happens, and Almighty is listening/reading this, please let me win a lottery so I can retire early and play cricket all day.
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It's looking more likely
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Apparently this is the first time in test history that 50 runs have been put on by the 7th, 8th and 9th wicket in a chase.
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Two good balls and it is over. How long can these batsmen hold out against Starc and co.
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No matter who wins, nobody will ever declare after this is over :p
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Can't believe it! Thought that was out for sure!
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(http://i.imgur.com/bJCprOH.gif)
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Great innings Shafiq
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More bouncers on their way. 40 runs. Tut tut.
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Oops 39 runs. :(
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(No Swearing Please) off, what an awful way to lose
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Brain snap from Yasir
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First the tour of England and now this...Pakistan is providing us with some of the best Test match viewing in many years.
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Woooo! Great Test match!
More please. :)
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First the tour of England and now this...Pakistan is providing us with some of the best Test match viewing in many years.
Don't forget the tour of NZ where they lost 9 wickets in one session on a road. Odd that was ;).
Pakistan will probably kick themselves, 40 to win with 2 wickets in hand and then that run out. Interesting what a change of mindset does to a team - you go from no chance of winning to maybe we can win and the pressure is on.
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Pakistan have to wood on Lyon. No respect for him at all even the tailenders
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Younis should get the biggest kick in the pants... He threw his wicket away
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Have to hand it to the Aussies - they really do make Test cricket a lot of fun. Look at how big the crowds are here BEFORE the boxing day test has even begun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojUmwRdV9t0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojUmwRdV9t0)
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^ That is just great!
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Commentator's curse strikes again, Shafiq gone on 50!!
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Azar has hit some sensational straight/on drives this innings. Some of the best I can remember seeing...kid has improved so much
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Azhar has left well.
Disappointed to see Sarfaraz go. He was in a hurry. On a bat related note, I have seen one of his bats, feather light and not very big. Under 2-7 easily.
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Azhar is the only batsman for Pakistan worth his weight at the moment... Patient and playing beautiful cricket shots
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Rain keeps on saving the Aussies
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Anyone else want to copy Sohail khan's bat? That's a chunky piece of wood!
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What an innings by Azhar Ali. Specially at MCG on a boxing day match. Pretty sure the match is going to be a draw.
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^ I have been a critic of Azhar and have suggested to his friend that he should hang it up sell his bats to me and the CBF forum. :D But no more. He is alright. :)
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Feeling bad for wahab rihaz ...I guess not his day atleast so far
He is trying really hard ..May be a little too hard ...No balls
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^ Finally, some luck for Riaz. Good spell! Great inning by Warner!
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^ Finally, some luck for Riaz. Good spell! Great inning by Warner!
Amazing counter attack by the aussies.
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Aussies going to level the score pretty quick
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Yasir bowled complete filth all day long but Warne (and by extension, his best mate Clarke) refused to acknowledge it (because Warne spent the last year trying to take credit for working with Shah) and spent two sessions created the narrative that the only reason he was going for 7 RPO was because Misbah was setting poor fields for him.
Absolutely shameless commentary.
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Yasir bowled complete filth all day long but Warne (and by extension, his best mate Clarke) refused to acknowledge it (because Warne spent the last year trying to take credit for working with Shah) and spent two sessions created the narrative that the only reason he was going for 7 RPO was because Misbah was setting poor fields for him.
Absolutely shameless commentary.
I was at the mcg today and Yasir bowled crap. Field placing didn't help with 3 men back on the legside. Wahab would of knocked over Warner for 80 odd had he kept his front foot behind the line. In general the Pakistan support bowling was poor and both sohail/amir deserved to get a wicket or two.
Warne has a love affair with Yasir and doesn't realise the guy isn't very good outside Asia. Once England worked out he doesn't turn it they filled their boots for the most part.
Morning session Australia were village, sohail batted like he was Tendulkar and but for the run out might of got close to a ton. Lyon just got smashed everywhere and his days must be numbered.
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Hope you are enjoying your Aussie trip mate
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Great innings from Azhar, good to see a Pakistani batsmen stand up in Oz for once.
The game is most likely going to be a draw. But could the Aussies get another 330 tomorrow and then be bowling at Pakistan on the 5th day with a lead of approx. 190... COuld be interesting!
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The worst review in the history of cricket https://streamable.com/kt2pl
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Deary me, that review!
Super knock from Azhar and a decent year for him aswell. Triple and double ton in the same year not sure how often thats been done previously
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My mate txt me Ali has more test runs in the last 5 years than kholi, root and ab de v.
Which if true(!) is a pretty good effort
Hes a nice player to watch
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My mate txt me Ali has more test runs in the last 5 years than kholi, root and ab de v.
Which if true(!) is a pretty good effort
Hes a nice player to watch
Helps that he plays his 'home' matches on cement pitches in the Middle East....
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Nathan Lyon totally inept. Without Johnson softening up the batsmen, Lyon is just a club level roller
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Helps that he plays his 'home' matches on cement pitches in the Middle East....
Too bad, the world is failing to recognize your genius! Cruel.
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Yasir Shah also continues to prove he was a flash in the pan ala Ajantha Mendis. His pies where worst that Lyon's today
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Helps that he plays his 'home' matches on cement pitches in the Middle East....
1. Doesn't everyone play and score much more at home (esp smith and kohli)? Also...why don't eng and aus score heavily when they come across these "cement" pitches?
2. He has been scoring all over. His debut series was in England, (vs Australia) and he did really well. Also did well in SL and Eng...and now has scored almost 300 runs in his first 3 innings in Australia.
"Home ground bully" argument looking shaky.
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Helps that he plays his 'home' matches on cement pitches in the Middle East....
He does quite true, pitches are generally getting flatter round the world, apart from Bangladesh it seems :)
We are a bit up our own bottoms in this country thou, we judge Asian players on how they do in England, but don't tend to judge our own players when they go abroad 'in foreign conditions'.
Quite how you pick the very best players these days is tricky.
You could be a bit more generous thou, a double ton in Australia is a double ton abroad. :)
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1. Doesn't everyone play and score much more at home (esp smith and kohli)? Also...why don't eng and aus score heavily when they come across these "cement" pitches?
2. He has been scoring all over. His debut series was in England, (vs Australia) and he did really well. Also did well in SL and Eng...and now has scored almost 300 runs in his first 3 innings in Australia.
"Home ground bully" argument looking shaky.
Pancake batsman Azhar has scored only 2/12 Test centuries outside of Asia. Hardly the sign of being consistent away from the pancakes he so loves...
Iirc Kohli has scored 50/50 of his hundreds home and away...
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I think this Aussie team has some great potential. Renshaw and Handscome are exactly what this team needed. Just need Maddinson to hit some form. Could make for an interesting ashes series
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^ They do have great potential and combined with Misbah's field setting and Yasir's reluctance to bowl to captain's field, they have made a strong comeback in this match.
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Surprised Handscomb has been doing well, he was bloody rubbish in county cricket. Still, if he settles in nicely and just doesn't like English bowling then suits us fine ;)
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Surprised Handscomb has been doing well, he was bloody rubbish in county cricket. Still, if he settles in nicely and just doesn't like English bowling then suits us fine ;)
Commentators curse strikes again !
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Commentators curse strikes again !
Wish every time I slated an Aussie batsmen they sliced a shocker to point! Your average Ashes test would last about 2 days mind...
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Surprised Handscomb has been doing well, he was bloody rubbish in county cricket. Still, if he settles in nicely and just doesn't like English bowling then suits us fine ;)
An average of 44.55 for Gloucestershire in 2015 from 6 games is ok to me
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Yasir gets Maddinson. Right delivery for the right field.
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Another great ton by Smith
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Say what you want about Steven Smith but the boy knows how to score Test hundreds!
90 innings and 17 hundreds. A century every 5.29 innings.
By comparison
Kohli 90 innings and 15 hundreds. A century every 6 innings
Williamson 104 innings and 14 hundreds. A century every 7.42 innings
Root 98 innings and 12 hundreds. A century every 8.16 innings.
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He does quite true, pitches are generally getting flatter round the world, apart from Bangladesh it seems :)
We are a bit up our own bottoms in this country thou, we judge Asian players on how they do in England, but don't tend to judge our own players when they go abroad 'in foreign conditions'.
Quite how you pick the very best players these days is tricky.
You could be a bit more generous thou, a double ton in Australia is a double ton abroad. :)
totally agree with these thoughts.
u cant have one way to judge Asian players ie how do they fair away from home
but then don't judge the non Asian sides by their records in asia
its double standards :o
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Regardless of what people may think, Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq have been 2 great finds for Pakistan in test cricket.
There is high hopes that Babar Azam will follow in their footsteps.
And then there is the small matter of finding replacements for YK and Misbah.
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Another great ton by Smith
You simply can not find much fault with his run scoring good player world class player and fair play he must have worked bloody hard to get to the level he is at..
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Also, I would have liked to have seen Pakistan take these 2 tours a little more seriously.
The scheduling has been poor. When they came to England, they arrived 3 weeks early and played 2 warm up games v decent opposition.
They arrived in NZ, had one warm up game scheduled which was rained off. And I just feel they were undercooked as a result for the test series.
And now in arrival to Oz, they play one warm up game against very weak opposition and then agree to playing a pink ball test match first up? Seems odd to me. Even the Saffers played the pink ball test as the last one in that series.
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Say what you want about Steven Smith but the boy knows how to score Test hundreds!
90 innings and 17 hundreds. A century every 5.29 innings.
By comparison
Kohli 90 innings and 15 hundreds. A century every 6 innings
Williamson 104 innings and 14 hundreds. A century every 7.42 innings
Root 98 innings and 12 hundreds. A century every 8.16 innings.
Not bad for a guy who scored 556 runs only in his first 22 innings at 25.
Just shows what hard work can achieve.
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Would be interested to see what the MCG would be like without a drop in pitch that is subsequently a road
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Watched a bit live last night and saw the day review on YouTube, Steve Smith just has the most ludicrous hand eye coordination going
It's enchanting at times to watch and boy he is in the runs lately
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Smith is an absolute outlier.
Where most players find they have technical problems, they go away and work to resolve them.
Smith goes away and works out how to score runs despite them. He still plays away from his body horribly, and open the face in a way that would scream tail end in normal circumstances. But...he has learnt how to leave the ball, so the former is less of a problem, and uses the latter to play half-defensive shots that score, so it becomes a strength.
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Rain keeps on saving the Aussies Australians Pakistan
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Sohail should be playing for the Sydney Thunder with drops like that
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Starc > most BBL batsman
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Why is it only Eng and Pak teams that make their followers panic so often about potential 4th innings collapses ?
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Starc is producing some seriously stunning deliveries
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Wow....I wouldn't have picked that result 2 days ago.
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Excellent win!!!!!!!!
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Great win .
I can't help but be surprised just how ineffective Shah has been in the first two tests . Sydney will probably turn , surely he'll come good then ?
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Wonder if Pakistan fans are still claiming a moral victory from brisbane?
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Wow....I wouldn't have picked that result 2 days ago.
I would have hence I had a punt on the aussies. I'm sure a few pak players also did the same.
They lost 10 wickets on a road in nz and they've done the same here
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Typical Pakistan
Praised for their "heroics" in the previous test match, even though they ended up losing that (after a meek first innings batting display).. And they follow it up with a performance like this where they lose when losing was the hardest thing to do.
A yo yo team for a long time, hence always entertaining to watch :D
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Wonder if its a case of wholesale changes for the last test for Pakistan?
Nothing really to play for. Maybe look to make the changes with one eye on the future...
Left arm spinner in for Yasir?
Sharjeel in for Younis?
Mo Riz in for Saf? Possibly to act as a reminder to Saf, that no ones place is guaranteed.
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Interesting stats.. Smith is averaging 73.71 as captain. Second to Bradman at 101.51 out of 85 captains who have scored at least 1000 runs.
Scored 3634 in 33 tests since 2014 which is only 5 runs behind Root at 3639 from 38 tests.
Smiths average at the MCG is 114.60.
Smith only the 2nd Australian batsman who has scored 1000+ test runs 3 consecutive calendar years only bettered by Hayden who scored 1000+ runs in 5 consecutive calendar years.
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What is smiths record like in aus compared to abroad? Assume it's better is aus but I bet they stats are quite close
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He averages 70.63 at home and 57.63 away
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Mitchell Starc little bit decent today. Think he'll rip India to pieces when the Aussies go there in February
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I see the Aussies getting mauled like we did
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Mitchell Starc little bit decent today. Think he'll rip India to pieces when the Aussies go there in February
India at home .
Are you sure Felix?
:)
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India at home .
Are you sure Felix?
:)
Starc took 25 wickets in SL at 12 iirc earlier this year.
Shami was a handful with reverse swing and Starc's a fair bit quicker.
Also I didn't say Australia would win :D
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I see the Aussies getting mauled like we did
yeah..they were decimated in the UAE and not much has changed to prepare them better. sadly, we don't really see teams doing that well outside of home conditions.
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With Shaun marsh fit, take it Maddison will get the boot for the final test
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Nope. Maddison dropped with Agar or Cartwright to take his place. O'Keefe also in the squad.
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Not sure what the Aussie love affair is with agar. Every BBL game they praise him for every little thing he does. Yes he got runs on his debut but not done much since
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Aussie could go in with 3 spinners at the SCG...
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I see the Aussies getting mauled like we did
Surely we can't be that bad. We have a captain who is far better at playing for a win and is not a broken man. And our bowlers are far better than the dross England served up.
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Surely we can't be that bad. We have a captain who is far better at playing for a win and is not a broken man. And our bowlers are far better than the dross England served up.
Don't really see Lyon/O'Keefe/Agar giving Kohli too many sleepless nights... ;)
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Surely we can't be that bad. We have a captain who is far better at playing for a win and is not a broken man. And our bowlers are far better than the dross England served up.
They got decimated by a "weak" SL side. Quite recently. What has changed since then?
And I am by no means saying India is unbeatable- they are likely to repeat their own defeats at the hands of Eng / AUS next time they go on tour.
Just bet on home team (unless the touring side plays on similar pitches...like SA vs Australia, pak vs sl etc)
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What's going on with the Aussie selectors? Ferguson gets one test, Maddinson two, then axed. It's like England in the 1990s! If you pick a bloke (as a genuine selection, not horses for courses etc) and genuinely can decide he's not good enough after one or two games, it's the selectors who deserve binning, not the player.
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Maddison has had 3 horrific Tests and he brings nothing to the table, deservedly dropped.
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Renshaw and Handscomb were selected on form Maddison wasn't.
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They got decimated by a "weak" SL side. Quite recently. What has changed since then?
And I am by no means saying India is unbeatable- they are likely to repeat their own defeats at the hands of Eng / AUS next time they go on tour.
Just bet on home team (unless the touring side plays on similar pitches...like SA vs Australia, pak vs sl etc)
What's changed is we have a far better balanced batting line up who are giving the bowlers totals to bowl at
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Warner picking up where he left off from last test match. Punishing the bad balls
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Pakistan seem to be mentally shot after the drubbing in New Zealand and the epic meltdown at the MCG. Warner is ridiculous though. 8 boundaries in the opening half an hour
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Time for sleep but enjoyed watching Warner - he's well up for this one and in ODI mode!
Bowling and fielding is average but you can only bat what's bowled at you.....and DW is looking in fine fettle!! :)
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100 before lunch for Warner. The only way he wasn't going to score a ton was if renshaw blocked it out. Renshaw bats like Cook with less shots if that's even possible. Crowd were booing him when it was getting tight for Warners ton. Pakistan were village, misfielding, 4/5 men on the boundary.
Lucky to be here to watch it :)
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Nothing shot......
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Crowd are bored now Warner out. Renshaw furiously blocking and khawaja leaving everything in sight (when he isn't being dropped).
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Crowd are bored now Warner out. Renshaw furiously blocking and khawaja leaving everything in sight (when he isn't being dropped).
Ha! At least youll have the memory of that first session for the rest of your days.
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100 before lunch for Warner. The only way he wasn't going to score a ton was if renshaw blocked it out. Renshaw bats like Cook with less shots if that's even possible. Crowd were booing him when it was getting tight for Warners ton. Pakistan were village, misfielding, 4/5 men on the boundary.
Lucky to be here to watch it :)
You gonna stop by the spartan bat making station they were showing on TV?
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Third ton of the day, we'll bowled Yasir Shah.
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You gonna stop by the spartan bat making station they were showing on TV?
Haven't seen it anywhere, is it outside in the kids area?
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Third ton of the day, we'll bowled Yasir Shah.
Very good :)
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Very good :)
First day wicket and all that but he's simply not been consistent enough. There seems to be a little bit in it for him but he hasn't bowled enough in the right place and going for 4 an over.
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Nothing shot......
Renshaw is the type of batsman Australia has needed though not great to watch
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Renshaw is the type of batsman Australia has needed though not great to watch
Exactly, we really started to go backwards again the minute Chris Rogers retired.
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Renshaw is the type of batsman Australia has needed though not great to watch
To be honest it's been a strange knock. He blocked furiously for 3 hours and particularly after getting pinned by amir he's looked a million dollars. Obviously a lot better than the morning session suggested. He nearly ruined everyone's fun!
Handscomb looks an organised player, but he does play back an awful lot. Not sure how he would cope with the moving ball well up to him but he doesn't have to worry about that at the moment.
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Remember this day people ! 3rd of January 2017. The day test cricket died.
A 20 year old at the beginning of his test careers being booed and accused of ruining everyone's "fun" by ensuring he keeps his wicket rather than risk it to get an attacking batsmen on strike.
160 plus at the end of the day and the Aussies near 400, but they would have rather he risked it early on. To keep the crowd interested.
A sad sad day. @ProCricketer1982 is right. Proper test cricket is dead.
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Australian crowd booing an Englishman on the first day of a test... Not much strange about that.... 😉
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Really like the look of Renshaws New Gray Nic
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Thought I'd fetch a post from a while back made by @Number4
You keep telling yourself that while I predict Australia will see a game winning young batsman make his way into the test team before the next ashes series
I hope you put some kind of bet on. Decent fortune telling right there!
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You guys must be hating us with SA players preferring to play for Australia as well ;) :D I wonder if KP wants to be naturalized and play test cricket again :D :o
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Thought I'd fetch a post from a while back made by @Number4
I hope you put some kind of bet on. Decent fortune telling right there!
That's bloody spooky make... I shock myself sometimes lol
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You guys must be hating us with SA players preferring to play for Australia as well ;) :D I wonder if KP wants to be naturalized and play test cricket again :D :o
is it true the reports I read Morne Morkel is considering lock stock and barrel moving to yours and playing OZ....
not sure what the qualification would be but it's a real shame if SA have a mass exodus of players.
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I only just read the same thing on the forum earlier... not sure who said it or even if it's true
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Found it... Felix posted.
Rumour has it that these two are set to end South African careers and join Hampshire to secure their financial futures. Seems bizarre in Abbott's case as he guaranteed a solid 6-12 month run in the side with Steyn injured. More more understanding of Rossouw who's been billed as the future for 3/5 years now yet keeps getting overlooked
Interestingly Morne Morkel might take the Johan Botha route and relocate to Australia
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I only just read the same thing on the forum earlier... not sure who said it or even if it's true
Morkel's wife is Australian(the woman hosting the BBL) and she doesn't like in South Africa.
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Ah is that who she is
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an Australian wife wont give him any advantage in qualification should he actually want to play for Australia....to my knowledge
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Maybe I should clarify what I meant by 'doing a Botha'. I meant playing shield cricket/bbl cricket. No disrespect to Morkel but Australia have plenty of better fast bowling options
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Maybe I should clarify what I meant by 'doing a Botha'. I meant playing shield cricket/bbl cricket. No disrespect to Morkel but Australia have plenty of better fast bowling options
ah I see, not actually trying to qualify for Australia......I thought maybe because of the quota now being imposed....
Morkel is decent :)
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Although Botha is now an Australian citizen.. We have Cartwright, all we need is KP and Merkel to become citizens and we Weill have an England Sh side playing for Australia.
Ok Ok I'll stop now ;) :D
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Although Botha is now an Australian citizen.. We have Cartwright, all we need is KP and Merkel to become citizens and we Weill have an England Sh side playing for Australia.
Ok Ok I'll stop now ;) :D
seriously how long would it take for Morkel to be an Australian citizen,,,and presumably then be eligible?
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seriously how long would it take for Morkel to be an Australian citizen,,,and presumably then be eligible?
FAwad Ahmed was given a passport in quick time was he? Morkel could probably get one quicker
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FAwad Ahmed was given a passport in quick time was he? Morkel could probably get one quicker
Wasn't that to do with political asylum though so they made a strong case for extenuating circumstances?
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FAwad Ahmed was given a passport in quick time was he? Morkel could probably get one quicker
he was indeed.
I just wonder with the quota system actually in force now whether white players frozen out will now look to Aust and England to play International cricket
I think they will myself, we could see a significant change..I know we have had SA players for a while but not because they cannot play for their own Countries. KP was not telling the truth way back when he said black players were blocking his patch to play for SA.
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all we need is KP and Merkel to become citizens
Does the Chancellor actually play? - Who knew!!
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Remember this day people ! 3rd of January 2017. The day test cricket died.
A 20 year old at the beginning of his test careers being booed and accused of ruining everyone's "fun" by ensuring he keeps his wicket rather than risk it to get an attacking batsmen on strike.
160 plus at the end of the day and the Aussies near 400, but they would have rather he risked it early on. To keep the crowd interested.
A sad sad day. @ProCricketer1982 is right. Proper test cricket is dead.
I love proper test cricket as much as the next man but Warner batted beautifully and fully deserved his ton. If Pakistan can't bowl properly it's not his fault. It's a very rare occurance and hardly the death of test cricket. The booing was good natured and in the context of the situation where everyone knew Warner needed a half dozen runs to do something special, I think even Renshaw understood by turning down the odd single so Warner could stay on strike.
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How quick were some of them balls going to the boundary that Warner hit
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How quick were some of them balls going to the boundary that Warner hit
Timed the ball better than anybody until Renshaw finally got going late in the day. When you see him live, the lateness of the stroke was what impressed me, right under his eyes.
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That cover drive that Renshaw played was beautiful
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I love proper test cricket as much as the next man but Warner batted beautifully and fully deserved his ton. If Pakistan can't bowl properly it's not his fault. It's a very rare occurance and hardly the death of test cricket. The booing was good natured and in the context of the situation where everyone knew Warner needed a half dozen runs to do something special, I think even Renshaw understood by turning down the odd single so Warner could stay on strike.
I've Not even mentioned Warner. Was merely the discussion against renshaw.
Just because one man is playing quickly/well/to his strengths doesn't mean the other has to risk anything to keep him on strike.
5 days in a test match. Warner didn't need his ton before dinner, getting it after would have been just as spectacular.
Renshaw not risking anything lead to a very fruitful day for himself. And is the correct way to play. This is day 1.
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Cartwright using some classy looking Bradbury kit. Nice to see a smaller brand being used on the Test stage.
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And then he gets bowled :(
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Very nice looking kit indeed. Looked a decent player too. Wade on the other hand...
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Very nice looking kit indeed. Looked a decent player too. Wade on the other hand...
Averaging less than Neville was and worse keeper, teams winning though so not being made the scapegoat like Neville was.
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Averaging less than Neville was and worse keeper, teams winning though so not being made the scapegoat like Neville was.
I just don't get it. I thought they let Haddin out stay his welcome too...
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Very nice looking kit indeed. Looked a decent player too. Wade on the other hand...
Id love a pair of those gloves if they weren't $200 a pop!!!!
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I just don't get it. I thought they let Haddin out stay his welcome too...
Captain's favourites ;)
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Captain's favourites ;)
Smith prefers Wade over Haddin :o ?
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Cartwright looks real good with bat in hand.
With the ball though.... He looks more of a Paul Collingwood, Younus Khan, Jonathan Trott (maybe Angelo Mathews / Steve Waugh at a push) type slow wobbly seamer than anything.
Still think Mitch Marsh has the greater potential. Not sure Cartwright could be a legitimate part of a 5 man attack, if they get stuck in the dirt for 120 overs.
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Still think Mitch Marsh has the greater potential. Not sure Cartwright could be a legitimate part of a 5 man attack, if they get stuck in the dirt for 120 overs.
Marsh seems to have lost the extra pace he had last summer
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If India where clever they'd pencil in a Test series against Pakistan. Pakistan's bowling is pathetic and Kohli would fancy smashing all over the place. In particular Yasir 'can't spin, won't spin' Shah, Kohli could probably pension him off...
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Cartwright using some classy looking Bradbury kit. Nice to see a smaller brand being used on the Test stage.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BO0zpEdgZBo/?taken-by=bradburycricket&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO0zpEdgZBo/?taken-by=bradburycricket&hl=en)
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Has Slats had work done?
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If India where clever they'd pencil in a Test series against Pakistan. Pakistan's bowling is pathetic and Kohli would fancy smashing all over the place. In particular Yasir 'can't spin, won't spin' Shah, Kohli could probably pension him off...
As soon as YK and misbah retire, the BCCI will pencil it in.
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Has Slats had work done?
Quite possibly!
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If India where clever they'd pencil in a Test series against Pakistan. Pakistan's bowling is pathetic and Kohli would fancy smashing all over the place. In particular Yasir 'can't spin, won't spin' Shah, Kohli could probably pension him off...
India vs Pak is now a political problem. India is attempting to isolate Pak within the international community. I don't see a chance to resume cricket ties any time soon. Odd clashes in ICC events would be the only chance for Ind vs Pak game.
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Quite possibly!
Well its either that or an over zealous makeup department.
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Misbah continues to keep Lyon in the team by continually gifting his wicket to him. Time misbah retires, he's not scored anything on this tour
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Saw this on twitter: "Big upsides of Matthew Wade's stomach bug is that he's caught something and he's got runs"
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Saw this on twitter: "Big upsides of Matthew Wade's stomach bug is that he's caught something and he's got runs"
Handscomb seems decent. Though clearly his batting is not the only thing unorthodox!
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Amazing stat, Lyon's last 5 wicket haul was 27 test matches ago. How has he not been dropped!
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Amazing stat, Lyon's last 5 wicket haul was 27 test matches ago. How has he not been dropped!
Because you need someone better to replace him, he is our best spinner currently.
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Yasir 14 overs 1 for 124
has the mystery gone for this spinner?
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Yasir 14 overs 1 for 124
has the mystery gone for this spinner?
People have worked out he doesn't turn it much, it's only England who struggle
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People have worked out he doesn't turn it much, it's only England who struggle
to be fair after the 1st test of the summer (last year) I thought we played him very well. Yes he got a lot of wickets at Lords but after that....not much, and it was pretty dry..I will boiling at the Oval for a couple of days last summer.
Its often the way thou initially with spinners who have the 'straight on' delivery. Swanny got a lot of left handers out around the wicket coming back in with the arm
Warne had a fabulous 'skidder' too.
Personally I don't think Yasir is in the same class as Swann,Kumble,Warne(no one is I know).
Once good players work out there's not much spin they seem to play it differently
There's been a lot of hype about Yasir i'm just not sure it was really justified in the first place
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to be fair after the 1st test of the summer (last year) I thought we played him very well. Yes he got a lot of wickets at Lords but after that....not much, and it was pretty dry..I will boiling at the Oval for a couple of days last summer.
Its often the way thou initially with spinners who have the 'straight on' delivery. Swanny got a lot of left handers out around the wicket coming back in with the arm
Warne had a fabulous 'skidder' too.
Personally I don't think Yasir is in the same class as Swann,Kumble,Warne(no one is I know).
Once good players work out there's not much spin they seem to play it differently
There's been a lot of hype about Yasir i'm just not sure it was really justified in the first place
Didn't he get a Michelle at the Oval to pretty much win the match for Pakistan though?
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Didn't he get a Michelle at the Oval to pretty much win the match for Pakistan though?
yes..........it was the straight on deliveries again !! :)
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Ah that's right England can't play a straight ball :D ;)
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Because you need someone better to replace him, he is our best spinner currently.
Excellent comment.
This is pretty much the same point as the endless debate about Ali and Rashid - they are still in the team because no-one else is knocking down the door to replace them. Hopefully the likes of Leach, Rayner and Crane will have storming seasons this year and do something about that.
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Ah that's right England can't play a straight ball :D ;)
Just like Steve smith can't play the moving ball!
At least for England it's a mentality thing
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yes..........it was the straight on deliveries again !! :)
How many wickets did Kumble get with the straight ball?
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Just like Steve smith can't play the moving ball!
At least for England it's a mentality thing
I'll take 4 x 50's and 5 x 100's from 18 matches every day of the week against England Seamers. I think the can't play the moving ball is a little wishful thinking way back early in his career
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yes..........it was the straight on deliveries again !! :)
I think Root was his bunny as well... From memory most of his wickets were top order batsmen too
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Root got a double ton last summer against Pak, if that's a bunny please pass the carrots :)
Steve Smith scores runs, lots of them, a bit like G Smith of SA, looks rough, gets results. He helps his team win-that's what it's about.
As a paying member of the public who watches cricket, I would like to see a classy batsmen to watch personally.
but Smith is not interested in what I think :)
If you have a choice of your team winning a test whether you support Eng or Australia you would take a win any means possible - ugly cricket or not.
For those of us lucky to have seen Gower or Lara bat live thou.......it's something that stays with you long after the match has finished thou
that's IMHO which is the latest phase on the forum :)
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A bunny is a bit harsh but he did pick him up 3 or 4 times.
I'll take winning test matches over looking good any day ;) :D
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of course
you have had some right bottom handed biffers over the years to watch
Mark Waugh I always thought should of been a Pom he was a fish out of water as an Aussie........now there was one of the world's most stylish batsmen
haha :)
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of course
you have had some right bottom handed biffers over the years to watch
Mark Waugh I always thought should of been a Pom he was a fish out of water as an Aussie........now there was one of the world's most stylish batsmen
haha :)
Damien Martyn was even more elegant than Waugh imo
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I preferred Steve with those awesome back foot cover drives
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Khawaja should be banned for that ridiculous dab upon reaching 50. That's not cricket!
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Khawaja should be banned for that ridiculous dab upon reaching 50. That's not cricket!
Saw that and wanted to throw up
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Wasn't carl Hooper quite elegant to watch?
For me personally it was Virender Sehwag - bloomin' well got on with it using power and biffage and not always the most orthodox!
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Wasn't carl Hooper quite elegant to watch?
For me personally it was Virender Sehwag - bloomin' well got on with it using power and biffage and not always the most orthodox!
@Felix Tito good shout on Damien Martyn...superb to watch, didn't achieve anything near what he could have.
@FattusCattus top shout Hooper technically flawless and wonderful shots. Most of the time thou batted like he wanted to be somewhere else.
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Khawaja should be banned for that ridiculous dab upon reaching 50. That's not cricket!
I can't believe people have ever disagreed with this bloke!
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Yasir 14 overs 1 for 124
has the mystery gone for this spinner?
People saying his been carrying an injury. Which makes you wonder, why did they pick him for dead rubber test, especially as his form has been poor in NZ and the 1st 2 tests!
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to be fair after the 1st test of the summer (last year) I thought we played him very well. Yes he got a lot of wickets at Lords but after that....not much, and it was pretty dry..I will boiling at the Oval for a couple of days last summer.
Its often the way thou initially with spinners who have the 'straight on' delivery. Swanny got a lot of left handers out around the wicket coming back in with the arm
Warne had a fabulous 'skidder' too.
Personally I don't think Yasir is in the same class as Swann,Kumble,Warne(no one is I know).
Once good players work out there's not much spin they seem to play it differently
There's been a lot of hype about Yasir i'm just not sure it was really justified in the first place
Right you are. Happens more often than you'd think. Remember Sunil Narine? Destroyed the IPL one year for KKR, then got found out and now he's recently been done for chucking.
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and the Sri Lankan mystery bloke, who was 'unplayable' for abut 18 months, then got tonked.
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Right you are. Happens more often than you'd think. Remember Sunil Narine? Destroyed the IPL one year for KKR, then got found out and now he's recently been done for chucking.
Yes Narine...looked unplayable im sure he had a doosra which caused batters to fall in a heap
I did wonder what happened to him !
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and the Sri Lankan mystery bloke, who was 'unplayable' for abut 18 months, then got tonked.
Ajantha Mendis?
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Ajantha Mendis?
Yep caused chaos when noone could pick the turn, until everyone realised you don't need to bother picking the turn because he doesn't turn it.
Narine's doosra was chucky beyond belief, was amazing it took so long for him to be banned.
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Yep caused chaos when noone could pick the turn, until everyone realised you don't need to bother picking the turn because he doesn't turn it.
Narine's doosra was chucky beyond belief, was amazing it took so long for him to be banned.
yasir has had a chastening tour of Aus (like very other spinner on the planet), but to say he doesn't have variations or doesn't turn the ball, is plain silly. the reason he raced to become the 2nd fastest to 100 test wickets ever is NOT because he only had one "straight ball". he does get a lot of his wickets from his slider (esp against england), but he sets up the batsmen before sliding it in (no pun intended) - something that he HAS NOT done well this tour.
his big problem: much like saqlain, he has started using his wicket taking ball way too frequently and has stopped setting up the batsmen. he's only played 20 odd tests...he'll be back in form no doubt.
here are just a few examples of him actually using real drift and turn to take wickets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6EKUPdL9nY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6EKUPdL9nY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wnDreCdyyA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wnDreCdyyA)
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yasir has had a chastening tour of Aus (like very other spinner on the planet), but to say he doesn't have variations or doesn't turn the ball, is plain silly. the reason he raced to become the 2nd fastest to 100 test wickets ever is NOT because he only had one "straight ball". he does get a lot of his wickets from his slider (esp against england), but he sets up the batsmen before sliding it in (no pun intended) - something that he HAS NOT done well this tour.
his big problem: much like saqlain, he has started using his wicket taking ball way too frequently and has stopped setting up the batsmen. he's only played 20 odd tests...he'll be back in form no doubt.
here are just a few examples of him actually using real drift and turn to take wickets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6EKUPdL9nY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6EKUPdL9nY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wnDreCdyyA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wnDreCdyyA)
I was talking about Mendis mind, not Yasir!
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Ajantha Mendis?
That's the bugger! His bubble popped pretty quickly.
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So a whitewash for PAK.Lyon back in the wickets.
All for all those England fans(im England ) who dont rate Lyon...
He would WALK into our team at the moment
Tougher tasks await the Aussies in India,no series wins since 2004 or something.
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Just trying to figure out why every set off highlights has no footage of the yasir shah wicket??
Did something happen? Was there a power cut in the stadium? And emp? Or is it just an oversight by 5 different tv channels???
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All for all those England fans(im England ) who dont rate Lyon...
He would WALK into our team at the moment
I'm sorry but don't talk such absolute piffle.
He hasn't taken a five wicket haul in 28 tests. Two tests ago even the most die hard of Aussie fans were calling for his nuts on the chopping block. A few cheap wickets against a demoralised side does not make him anything other than a clubbie.
Is that to say that Moeen and Rashid are world class? No, they are not. But both would get the nod ahead of Lyon. O'Keefe might feasibly be a different matter...
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So a whitewash for PAK.Lyon back in the wickets.
All for all those England fans(im England ) who dont rate Lyon...
He would WALK into our team at the moment
Tougher tasks await the Aussies in India,no series wins since 2004 or something.
He took 5/215 across the two innings, am I missing something Carlo?
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He took 5/215 across the two innings, am I missing something Carlo?
No not missing anything!! I might be thou haha :)
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No not missing anything!! I might be thou haha :)
I miss the ball a lot, does that count? :D
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I'm sorry but don't talk such absolute piffle.
He hasn't taken a five wicket haul in 28 tests. Two tests ago even the most die hard of Aussie fans were calling for his nuts on the chopping block. A few cheap wickets against a demoralised side does not make him anything other than a clubbie.
Is that to say that Moeen and Rashid are world class? No, they are not. But both would get the nod ahead of Lyon. O'Keefe might feasibly be a different matter...
Ive just had a strong coffee in the cafe. Perhaps i didnt get across what i wanted, Lyon is not a clubbie by any means,ok not the greatest.
If your choice is lyon rashid or ali being picked as a spinner Lyon gets picked every time.If he is not getting wickets he keeps the run rate down more than our two
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If your choice is lyon rashid or ali being picked as a spinner Lyon gets picked every time.If he is not getting wickets he keeps the run rate down more than our two
If your choices were those three, purely for their bowling, you would have two options:
1. Rashid, and accept that he would not bowl much in the first innings (unless Saqlain was around, in which case this is the only option) or
2. Pick another seamer.
And that is without taking into account that Lyon is a bowler who cannot bat, whereas Ali is an all round option and Rashid can certainly hold one (though I'll admit that he has not transferred his batting ability to tests as well as I had expected he might)
Seriously - Lyon briefly managed to elevate himself above clubbie status after the last ashes in Australia but has bowled lots of tripe ever since - if he was from any other country, he would have been dropped ages ago but Australia feel that they are weak in the spin department, so he has had a lot of reprieves. The economy issue is a fallacy - he was economical a few years back but now goes at 3.5ish with horribly defensive fields.
He will probably make the side in India. But he won't play for Australia again if he doesn't find a huge series from somewhere.
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Just trying to figure out why every set off highlights has no footage of the yasir shah wicket??
Did something happen? Was there a power cut in the stadium? And emp? Or is it just an oversight by 5 different tv channels???
Of Shah getting out you mean?
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Of Shah getting out you mean?
Yeah his wicket, as it fell. Only Pakistan batted today mate.
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It's on the cricket Australia site. Regulation catch in gully. Not sure why it wouldn't be shown
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About 4.20
https://youtu.be/MeIMk-l-S4U
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About 4.20
https://youtu.be/MeIMk-l-S4U
Tah
Must just be an editing anomaly. May be the coverages company's get the same
Highlight packages sent.
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If your choices were those three, purely for their bowling, you would have two options:
1. Rashid, and accept that he would not bowl much in the first innings (unless Saqlain was around, in which case this is the only option) or
2. Pick another seamer.
And that is without taking into account that Lyon is a bowler who cannot bat, whereas Ali is an all round option and Rashid can certainly hold one (though I'll admit that he has not transferred his batting ability to tests as well as I had expected he might)
Seriously - Lyon briefly managed to elevate himself above clubbie status after the last ashes in Australia but has bowled lots of tripe ever since - if he was from any other country, he would have been dropped ages ago but Australia feel that they are weak in the spin department, so he has had a lot of reprieves. The economy issue is a fallacy - he was economical a few years back but now goes at 3.5ish with horribly defensive fields.
He will probably make the side in India. But he won't play for Australia again if he doesn't find a huge series from somewhere.
Talking rubbish as per usual.
No one, apart from a delusional Yorkshireman like you, would pick Rashid over Lyon. Rashid has shown without Saqlain holding his hand he's mentally inept for Test cricket.
Lyon isn't the reincarnation of EAS Prasanna but he's a solid performer.
Whether Rashid or Ali can bat is irrelevant, a spinner job is to take wickets not have a slog with the bat.
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No one, apart from a delusional Yorkshireman like you, would pick Rashid over Lyon. Rashid has shown without Saqlain holding his hand he's mentally inept for Test cricket.
Lyon isn't the reincarnation of EAS Prasanna but he's a solid performer.
Talking rubbish is more your forte. As you have again evidenced. Well done Gerry.
Lyon's only tactic is to set the field back and bowl round the wicket. Which is why he hardly takes a wicket game after game and falls to bits whenever he is faced with a spinning deck (look at how all and sundry out bowled him in Sri Lanka) because he knows his painful limitations will be demonstrated to all and sundry. I have not claimed Rashid is the new Kumble - he clearly needs to be supported and given confidence from his captain - but he has demonstrated enough to know that he would be the better bet of the two.
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Rashid only gets wickets when batsmen are trying to hit him to the moon and back. He's awful. The more Test caps wasted on him the less chance a proper spinner gets an opportunity to be selected
Lyon has 200 odd wickets. If Rashid gets anyway near 200 wickets it would be an embarrassment to the history of Test cricket
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Rashid only gets wickets when batsmen are trying to hit him to the moon and back. He's awful. The more Test caps wasted on him the less chance a proper spinner gets an opportunity to be selected
Lyon has 200 odd wickets. If Rashid gets anyway near 200 wickets it would be an embarrassment to the history of Test cricket
Not getting into therahsid part of the argument.
But every wicket I've seen by Lyon against Pakistan was misbah and co smashing him Straight up as they tried to take him to the moon.
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Not getting into therahsid part of the argument.
But every wicket I've seen by Lyon against Pakistan was misbah and co smashing him Straight up as they tried to take him to the moon.
Has that happened for all 228 wickets Lyon had amassed? I doubt it.
Rashid played all his matches in Asia and still has made no improvement
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Has that happened for all 228 wickets Lyon had amassed? I doubt it.
Nope - in 2014 he bowled someone attempting to sweep, and I seem to recall he got Trent Boult LBW on the back foot.
The other 226... *baits line*
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Finch and Bailey dropped from aus odi squad.
Lehman stating lack of recent runs for both of them, baileys new stance not paid dividends for him then
Chris Lynn has been called on his bbl form, espn noting he hasn't played a domestic matador up game since 2013!!
Stanlaki under similar circumstances also picked with the ball.
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Nope - in 2014 he bowled someone attempting to sweep, and I seem to recall he got Trent Boult LBW on the back foot.
The other 226... *baits line*
Interesting to see how he goes in India seeing as he has taken more wickets against India than any other team (45) and his best figures are in India (7/94)
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Interesting to see how he goes in India seeing as he has taken more wickets against India than any other team (45) and his best figures are in India (7/94)
True - but I doubt anyone, even the most rose tinted of Aussies, would argue that he has regressed since. In any event, if you look at that game, as impressive as seven for anything is, he was outbowled by the Indian spinners - match figures were:
Jadeja - 7/104 (14.85)
Ashwin - 7/112 (16)
Lyon - 9/165 (18.33)
Maxwell - 3/66 (22)
Ojha - 3/94 (31.33)
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Wouldn't that be expected though?
Agree that he certainly has gone off the boil though in more recent times
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Wouldn't that be expected though?
Thank you. It would. But when the same point is made about Rashid (ie that it is different for and English spinner bowling to Indian batsmen than for an Indian spinner bowling to English batsmen) noone listens.
That series was the one point where I thought Lyon might progress to being more than a clubbie - or, put more kindly, the guy who profitted from batsmen having a go to avoid facing Mitchell Johnson in that late career peak. It didn't happen.
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I think that this will be a make or break series for him although as Skip said we still don't have a better spinner at the moment
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I think that this will be a make or break series for him although as Skip said we still don't have a better spinner at the moment
really? I appreciate Agar would be a push as much on his all round skills, but surely O'Keefe is a better bet. He has looked much the better bowler when the two have played together.
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O'keefe turns the ball even less than Lyon.
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I reckon OKeefe will progressively take over from here on, providing he can stay fit and stays away from pubs in Manly. Lyon will be playing for NSW next summer.
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O'keefe turns the ball even less than Lyon.
But as Jadeja has demonstrated, this is less of a problem than you might think in the DRS era...
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Jadeja also uses flight very well... Much better than most I believe
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O'keefe turns the ball even less than Lyon.
Lack of turn is not lyons issue. He gives it a fair rip and gets good drift and dip. I think he is TOO consistent- not enough subtle changes.
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A slow left arm orthodox doesn't need to be spinning ragging it square to be effective. Aside from BS Bedi(whom IMO is the best SLA of all time) guys like Vettori, Herath and latterly Jadeja rely on usage of the crease, playing around with pace and getting the odd one to turn to get the batsmen thinking. If O'Keefe can incorporate those traits there's no reason why he can't have a decent run in the Test side. Lastly Santner was the best spinner India faced in 2016, according to Shastri...
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Jadeja also uses flight very well... Much better than most I believe
I think Jadeja developed playing with Ashwin. I remember seeing him a couple of years ago, basically everyone at 58-60mph bowling like a robot
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Trying to second guess what is likely to be Pakistans XI for the first ODI...
Azhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Hafeez -- likely to be selected as the aussies have a few left handers?
Shoaib Malik
Umar Akmal
Imad
Mo Riz -- as Saf has returned to Pakistan
Amir
Wahab
Hassan
thoughts?
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^ Hafeez and Umar Akmal? There are no other options?
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there are other options, but I am taking a guess what they are likely to select...
given the conditions and based on assumptions of favouritism towards certain players.. :0)
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A slow left arm orthodox doesn't need to be spinning ragging it square to be effective. Aside from BS Bedi(whom IMO is the best SLA of all time) guys like Vettori, Herath and latterly Jadeja rely on usage of the crease, playing around with pace and getting the odd one to turn to get the batsmen thinking. If O'Keefe can incorporate those traits there's no reason why he can't have a decent run in the Test side. Lastly Santner was the best spinner India faced in 2016, according to Shastri...
There have been surprisingly few slow left armers who have really ragged the ball. Going way back in time, Hedley Verity did, but the other great Yorkshire lefties - Rhodes, Wardle, Peel - were masters of flight and pace rather than turn. Its hard in my lifetime to think of one who has really ragged it - Phil Tufnell could on his day, and Pragayan Ojha got some balls to grip markedly last time England were in India but after that....mental blank.
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There have been surprisingly few slow left armers who have really ragged the ball. Going way back in time, Hedley Verity did, but the other great Yorkshire lefties - Rhodes, Wardle, Peel - were masters of flight and pace rather than turn. Its hard in my lifetime to think of one who has really ragged it - Phil Tufnell could on his day, and Pragayan Ojha got some balls to grip markedly last time England were in India but after that....mental blank.
Monty gave it a pretty good rip at times.
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Monty gave it a pretty good rip at times.
Not sure that he did really - he turned it sharply on very helpful wickets (eg that series in India, at Old Trafford) but he would not have got it off straight in the most recent series in India, where there wasn't a huge amount of dusting.
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The aussies are struggling against spin again. Luckily wade and maxwell got that partnership going.
Aussies will probably still get 265
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Matt Wade rescued them with a ton.
With it him and the returning maxwell they would have been up the creak there.
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Though he had a lean run in the test series, that innings from Wade to me underlines why he is preferred to Nevill, really gutsy stuff, Nevill is a fine keeper, but lacks presence out in the middle.
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Usual hafeez nicking off, aussies should cruise this
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smells of poor captaincy / lack of killer instinct to allow the aussies to recover from 70-5 to post 269?
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Pakistan have no clue how to bat in ODI's, they struggle to rotate strike and then get out playing a big shot. Don't seem to have any match winners with the bat either
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Anyone watching??
How did stanlake bowl? Have noticed he only got 3 overs at beginning and been ignored since?
How is heads action looking these days? It was being questioned on twitter when he made his debut but not seen anyone mention since.
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Anyone watching??
How did stanlake bowl? Have noticed he only got 3 overs at beginning and been ignored since?
How is heads action looking these days? It was being questioned on twitter when he made his debut but not seen anyone mention since.
Stanlake pulled up injured.
Head still looks like he's chucking it, I'm sure the umpires will call him up as soon as he goes abroad.
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Stanlake pulled up injured.
Head still looks like he's chucking it, I'm sure the umpires will call him up as soon as he goes abroad.
I missed that bit on cricinfo commentary then.
So a main bowler injured and maxwell still didn't get to turn his arm over? He really is out of favour, surprised he was batted below wade........
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I missed that bit on cricinfo commentary then.
Think it was more of a precaution. Did hit one of the pak openers on the head with a sharp bouncer.
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CA news says Stanlake left the field feeling ill
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Pakistan is emabrrassing, I don't think they are capable of chasing 200 let alone anything in excess.
The quality of their bats must be so poor, non of them have remotely come close to hitting a 6.
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There have been surprisingly few slow left armers who have really ragged the ball. Going way back in time, Hedley Verity did, but the other great Yorkshire lefties - Rhodes, Wardle, Peel - were masters of flight and pace rather than turn. Its hard in my lifetime to think of one who has really ragged it - Phil Tufnell could on his day, and Pragayan Ojha got some balls to grip markedly last time England were in India but after that....mental blank.
Ojha doesn't count mate, he was throwing
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I wonder if Wade slipped in 'Maxi I think I should bat ahead off you'...
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Azhar Ali is unfit for 2nd ODI and hafeez is a replacement captain.
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Aussies 220 all out and Pakistan 24-0. Would still back the aussies given Pakistan are clueless about how to bat
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The Pakistan collapse is on, only Pakistan can find a way of losing after being in such a commanding position
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The Pakistan collapse is on, only Pakistan can find a way of losing after being in such a commanding position
They seemed to have steadied the ship and should win easily......... but this is Pakistan.
I'm not sure we can call 2 quick wickets ancollapse though.......
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So Pakistan win by six wickets.
Mitchell marsh out for remainder of series with a shoulder injury(will he be replaced in tests.
Lynn is out of next match bt there hoping he may return for games 4 and 5.
Starc to be rested in match 3
Handscombe added to the squad
Zampa released back to the bbl.
Al this just baffles me. Seems all random droppings and calling ups.
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Decent platform set by Pakistan to go big in the last 10. Unsure why akmal is batting at a SR of 50!
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Pakistan having a shocker in the field.
Smith nicks one behind, they don't review it. Handscomb has been dropped and out on a no ball.
Probably going to cost them the match
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Pakistan still playing cricket from the olden days.
267 was way below par.
Guys like Hafeez, Azhar, Asad are not batsmen for the modern ODI format...
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Decent platform set by Pakistan to go big in the last 10. Unsure why akmal is batting at a SR of 50!
Probably batting for his place in the team ;)
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why is akmal in the team at all? he's like the comeback kid
there's no other keepers after the main guy went home?
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why is akmal in the team at all? he's like the comeback kid
there's no other keepers after the main guy went home?
Mo Riz is keeping, not akmal... This is Umar Akmal we are talking about
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High time for Pakistan to split the teams for the 3 formats and hand ODI and T-20 captaincy to Sarfaraz. Unless a player shows sufficient talent to play in all 3 formats, keep the players in their suitable format's team.
Hafeez should retire and Azhar should focus on Test cricket. Let Sarfaraz build the ODI and T-20 teams.
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High time for Pakistan to split the teams for the 3 formats and hand ODI and T-20 captaincy to Sarfaraz. Unless a player shows sufficient talent to play in all 3 formats, keep the players in their suitable format's team.
Hafeez should retire and Azhar should focus on Test cricket. Let Sarfaraz build the ODI and T-20 teams.
Agreed :)
Not sure Asad Shafiq is suited to the shorter formats either!
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Pakistan played 152 dot balls in their last ODI game. That's more than 50%, simply not good enough. If an international player is unable to rotate strike, he shouldn't be an international.
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Sharjeel is good! He needs more backing from the captain and opportunity.
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Sharjeel is good! He needs more backing from the captain and opportunity.
Well his opening, so his getting backing and opportunity at present :)
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Warners odi form is rodiolcouls!! Another ton.
Aussies on 200 for 0 with 20 left. Big score should be achieved here.
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Warner misses out on a double 100! Pakistan must be sick of him smashing them around
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Pakistan are a shockingly rubbish ODI side.
They need a major clear out. Their batsmen have a tendency to play for themselves rather than show intent to chase down scores.
Guys like Umar, Hafeez, Malik should all be retired.
Guys like Azhar, Asad shouldn't be anywhere near the short format sides.
Sad part is, they will all play until the World CUp 2019... and only be cleared out thereafter.
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Babar Azam, Sharjeel played well. One of the Akmal's also had a good showing. Pakistan did lose the match but it was a fighting loss, they scored over 300+ runs. It was not an out-an-out debacle.
Hafeez should change careers to something else.
Azhar is better off in Test cricket.
S. Malik just had bad luck.
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Hardly call it a fighting loss, they never attempted to keep up with the scoring rate or go for the score
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Hardly call it a fighting loss, they never attempted to keep up with the scoring rate or go for the score
If they had done that, you'd have dug up something else to criticize/malign them. I am sensing a pattern here.
They did alright. Sarfaraz didn't play. Shoaib Malik got injured. Sharjeel and Babar _did_ setup the match for the middle order to wrap it up.
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Damien Martyn was even more elegant than Waugh imo
And Greg Chappell was even more elegant than Martyn and M. Waugh.
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Holy thread revival batman!