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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Felix Tito on January 03, 2017, 06:11:00 AM
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Rumour has it that these two are set to end South African careers and join Hampshire to secure their financial futures. Seems bizarre in Abbott's case as he guaranteed a solid 6-12 month run in the side with Steyn injured. More more understanding of Rossouw who's been billed as the future for 3/5 years now yet keeps getting overlooked
Interestingly Morne Morkel might take the Johan Botha route and relocate to Australia
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Can't really blame them when the money playing for SA is nothing compared to the Pig Three
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Don't think it's the money! Think we'll see more and more white SA players doing it with the new government regulations.
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not an expert on this kolpack ruling but now is the time presuming it (the law) could be affected by leaving the EU(if we ever do)
and before this thread gets locked no not a Brexit point just a point on the ruling
:) :)
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After Brexit is formalised the British government has the right cancel any Kolpak deals
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not an expert on this kolpack ruling but now is the time presuming it (the law) could be affected by leaving the EU(if we ever do)
and before this thread gets locked no not a Brexit point just a point on the ruling
:) :)
Expect any deals that are already in place will remain. Probably not a coincidence the amount of South Africans that have gone kolpak the season after Brexit was confirmed to be happening.
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After Brexit is formalised the British government has the right cancel any Kolpak deals
It'd have the right but there'd be numerous legal challenges to cancelling any pre-existing arrangements, much more likely they'd just limit/halt any new ones being put in place
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As Brexit iis going take years would have thought there playing days would be over.
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I read somewhere that the ECB had asked numerous times for the home office to advise them but as with all Brexit related matters no one knows the impact. The suggestion is any deal signed before we leave the EU would be valid for the duration of that deal even if the end is after we have left. After that who knows but at some point I suspect that Kolpak deals will no longer be exist
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I read somewhere that the ECB had asked numerous times for the home office to advise them but as with all Brexit related matters no one knows the impact. The suggestion is any deal signed before we leave the EU would be valid for the duration of that deal even if the end is after we have left. After that who knows but at some point I suspect that Kolpak deals will no longer be exist
Personally, I believe there will be a different ruling to what many "Pro EU" are saying.. it not only makes sense but will prevent various court actions by individuals and companies.. To allow those from the EU to continue to work in UK providing they have a contract of employment. Also, companies will still be allowed to employ people from the EU providing they are the best person for the job or its seasonal employment..
The government is not that naive when it comes to employment and immigration and those who think they ARE, either have an ulterior motive or need to have a goood haaarrdd look at themselves... :)
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Personally, I believe there will be a different ruling to what many "Pro EU" are saying.. it not only makes sense but will prevent various court actions by individuals and companies.. To allow those from the EU to continue to work in UK providing they have a contract of employment. Also, companies will still be allowed to employ people from the EU providing they are the best person for the job or its seasonal employment..
The government is not that naive when it comes to employment and immigration and those who think they ARE, either have an ulterior motive or need to have a goood haaarrdd look at themselves... :)
I was relating to Kolpak deals specifically going forward. These trade deals SA (and others) had with the EU meant they were "home grown" talent, that wont be the case going forward, they will be classed as overseas unless the UK continues that trade deal on its own.
Is there a limit to how long a Kolpak deal can be? Could someone sign a contract now for 10 years if the county was willing to commit?
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I was relating to Kolpak deals specifically going forward. These trade deals SA (and others) had with the EU meant they were "home grown" talent, that wont be the case going forward, they will be classed as overseas unless the UK continues that trade deal on its own.
Is there a limit to how long a Kolpak deal can be? Could someone sign a contract now for 10 years if the county was willing to commit?
I guess you'd only have to do 7 as you could be English qualified by then. Don't think I've ever seen more than 4 years though.
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I make this merely as a snide joke, but he'd get a more challenging game in county than he is currently against Sri Lanka
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Okay, I suspect I have more understanding of these issues than most on here.
At the present time, Article 50 has not even been enacted, so we're a minimum of 27 months from knowing whether a deal can even be reached on exit. There is legal provision for the two year negotiating period to be extended by mutual agreement, and it is far from impossible that both sides may decide that it wouldn't hurt to move the date past that of the next UK general election. In any event, given that exit would not be a done deal overnight, we're looking four years away in any realistic terms.
At which point, there will be approximately 6'500'000 people in the mainland UK on the basis of EEA nationality or ties. If you think that any deal is seriously going to look to limit the rights of those people - or of the two million or so Brits on the continent - then you are either a) insane or b) of the mistaken belief that the level of paperwork involved is even possible.
You may see a new limitation on Kolpak players in circa 5 years time. But if you do, any existing ones will be protected - those that have not met the requirements for citizenship that is - and arrangements will be put in place to support the freedom of top class sportsmen to move across borders. Yadda yadda exigent circumstances, national interest etc.
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CSA's diversity policy could be a reason for proposed departure of Rossou and Abott.
Rabada, Steyn & Morkel would be the prime fast bowling combo for SA. There was a bit of chatter about how AB was disappointed during SA vs NZ WC semi's when he wanted to keep Abott but CSA pushed for Philanderer's inclusion. Abott has been in the center of this for a while and things might be quite clear to him by now. He is better off securing his financial future by playing in england and t20 leagues around the world.
Rossou is not going to get his chance unless QDK loses focus. QDK is playing quite well and he is also donning the opener role in one-day/t20 games. I don't see a way for Rossou in the team unless he plans to be a specialist batsman. Playing in England might give him some credibility to be a specialist batsman. Who knows ?? This stint might actually help him out ...
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CSA's diversity policy could be a reason for proposed departure of Rossou and Abott.
Rabada, Steyn & Morkel would be the prime fast bowling combo for SA. There was a bit of chatter about how AB was disappointed during SA vs NZ WC semi's when he wanted to keep Abott but CSA pushed for Philanderer's inclusion. Abott has been in the center of this for a while and things might be quite clear to him by now. He is better off securing his financial future by playing in england and t20 leagues around the world.
Rossou is not going to get his chance unless QDK loses focus. QDK is playing quite well and he is also donning the opener role in one-day/t20 games. I don't see a way for Rossou in the team unless he plans to be a specialist batsman. Playing in England might give him some credibility to be a specialist batsman. Who knows ?? This stint might actually help him out ...
He doesn't bowl or keep so what else could he play as?
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He doesn't bowl or keep so what else could he play as?
Agreed, but he is labelled as a keeper+batsman isn't he ?? For one or two series, he was playing as a wicket keeper when QDK was injured. Ideally when two or more keepers are available, teams tend to side with one guy and other guy usually bites the dust very soon. Parthiv Patel & Dinesh Karthik couldn't find a way into the team since there was MS Dhoni. Eventually they retired from some form of the game very soon and focused on other avenues to make money. Same goes for Roussou where, he is not going to get a ticket into the team being a keeper + batsman. However to be a specialist batsman he needs to show he is more valuable than someone in the current SA middle order. I doubt if this will happen ...
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Agreed, but he is labelled as a keeper+batsman isn't he ?? For one or two series, he was playing as a wicket keeper when QDK was injured. Ideally when two or more keepers are available, teams tend to side with one guy and other guy usually bites the dust very soon. Parthiv Patel & Dinesh Karthik couldn't find a way into the team since there was MS Dhoni. Eventually they retired from some form of the game very soon and focused on other avenues to make money. Same goes for Roussou where, he is not going to get a ticket into the team being a keeper + batsman. However to be a specialist batsman he needs to show he is more valuable than someone in the current SA middle order. I doubt if this will happen ...
Cricinfo lists him as having no career stumping so would be surprised if he's kept much at all.
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@Kulli - You are correct. My mistake .. Pardon me for the screw up.
Riley was announced as replacement for QDK in SA's tour of India. I assumed he was the wicket keeper replacement. Checked back the series stats and it seems like ABD was the keeper then ...
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Oh dear, Abbott's going to be dropped for the last test:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-sri-lanka-2016-17/content/story/1075682.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-sri-lanka-2016-17/content/story/1075682.html)
Such a shame that its come to this
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How long before abott and viljoen can spear head the English attack?
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Oh dear, Abbott's going to be dropped for the last test:
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-sri-lanka-2016-17/content/story/1075682.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-sri-lanka-2016-17/content/story/1075682.html[/url])
Such a shame that its come to this
it is a real shame
any prejudice against colour is wrong
this is a sort of reserve apartheid, back to the 1960's
sad
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both these players signed for Hampshire
that moved pretty quick :)
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Confirmed
http://www.ageasbowl.com/cricket/news/hampshire-sign-kyle-abbott-and-rilee-rossouw/ (http://www.ageasbowl.com/cricket/news/hampshire-sign-kyle-abbott-and-rilee-rossouw/)
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TBH, i'm no expert on quotos, all these guys are jumping ship too quickly. Harmer and Viljoen probably justified there deals as they are no more than fringe international players. Abbott and Rossouw where in all the squads only to be edged out greats of the like Steyn and AB. The latter two are on the home run so spots will become available.
Just look at Stephen Cook as an example, he was offered a Kolpak(even his father Jimmy a former South African international encouraged him to take it) but the younger Cook held on his belief that he chance would come and he was proved correct.
Abbott had an IPL deal as well so money can't be that short...
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im no expert either Felix, but these guys are professional sportsmen
To me, and fully happy to be corrected here, this is the exact situation Kevin Pieterson described as he reasons for moving to England, except he was blatantly lying, I can't even think of a black player in his era who came thru for the National side(in that period).
Slightly later Ntini came along to be the significant black player in the team-prior to that......boucher,smith,kallis,the list goes on.
Pieterson pulled the race card......now years later, the race card is actually real.
that's how I see it, but as I said, happy to be corrected if facts are wrong.
both these current players have had meetings with their board very recently.
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http://www.ageasbowl.com/cricket/news/hampshire-sign-kyle-abbott-and-rilee-rossouw/ (http://www.ageasbowl.com/cricket/news/hampshire-sign-kyle-abbott-and-rilee-rossouw/)
Just seen this
(Looks like a lot of people beat me to it though...)
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im no expert either Felix, but these guys are professional sportsmen
To me, and fully happy to be corrected here, this is the exact situation Kevin Pieterson described as he reasons for moving to England, except he was blatantly lying, I can't even think of a black player in his era who came thru for the National side(in that period).
Slightly later Ntini came along to be the significant black player in the team-prior to that......boucher,smith,kallis,the list goes on.
Pieterson pulled the race card......now years later, the race card is actually real.
that's how I see it, but as I said, happy to be corrected if facts are wrong.
both these current players have had meetings with their board very recently.
From what I can gather from people I've spoken to, he pulled the race card out when he was playing provincial/franchise cricket, not when he was close to international cricket. He couldn't get a consistent run of games for his province due to the quota system that's in place and that's why he looked to play his cricket elsewhere.
Is the quota system fair/needed? It's debatable, but there is still a huge disparity between the resources/finances available to whites and blacks and without the quota system I don't think they would even get a chance to play cricket at a competitive level.
I very much doubt the likes of Rabada would have made it into the national side without the quota system in place.
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Problem for CSA is the quota system is totally out of their control and handed down to them by the sporting authorities, they all have their own expectations etc.
Expecting more players to follow if I'm being honest.
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From what I can gather from people I've spoken to, he pulled the race card out when he was playing provincial/franchise cricket, not when he was close to international cricket. He couldn't get a consistent run of games for his province due to the quota system that's in place and that's why he looked to play his cricket elsewhere.
Exactly my understanding too. KP said quotas stopped him getting a fair crack at provincial/franchise level
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Exactly my understanding too. KP said quotas stopped him getting a fair crack at provincial/franchise level
good points lads, im sure you are right. To my mind thou all the rest of the white players came thru the provincial teams at the same time, so I cannot see where the difference lies....
but i'm not an export on South African cricket by any means.
Rabada im surprised you think he would not of made it thru the system as it is,
I think he could be better than Ntini. Rabada has huge potential and I hope he has a great career-he's got a beautiful action and pace
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You have to bear in mind that the KP situation was made to look sillier than it actually was - the KP who joined Notts in 02 was a promising off spinner who hit the ball really hard. He probably was the most disposable of the non-quota players, as it appeared at the time. It was not at that point clear to anyone how far talent - and the hard work that he rarely gets credit for doing - would take him.
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good points lads, im sure you are right. To my mind thou all the rest of the white players came thru the provincial teams at the same time, so I cannot see where the difference lies....
but i'm not an export on South African cricket by any means.
Rabada im surprised you think he would not of made it thru the system as it is,
I think he could be better than Ntini. Rabada has huge potential and I hope he has a great career-he's got a beautiful action and pace
Rabada would have succeeded anytime, anywhere.
Would you apply the same to Ontong, Tsolekile and a number of others?
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good points lads, im sure you are right. To my mind thou all the rest of the white players came thru the provincial teams at the same time, so I cannot see where the difference lies....
but i'm not an export on South African cricket by any means.
Rabada im surprised you think he would not of made it thru the system as it is,
I think he could be better than Ntini. Rabada has huge potential and I hope he has a great career-he's got a beautiful action and pace
Maybe I shouldn't have chosen Rabada. But my point was that without the quota system, he may not have had the opportunities earlier on his career to get spotted and picked up by the provinces.
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Rabada would have succeeded anytime, anywhere.
Would you apply the same to Ontong, Tsolekile and a number of others?
Tsotsobe. Although I actually rated him when he first came onto the scene.
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Tsotsobe. Although I actually rated him when he first came onto the scene.
You'd need to add Phelukwayo, Phangiso, Behardien too.
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Wasn't Gulam Bodi selected ahead of him and that's the reason he left. The irony, bodi was a match fixer
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Whatever happened to All Hand Zondeki?
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Maybe I shouldn't have chosen Rabada. But my point was that without the quota system, he may not have had the opportunities earlier on his career to get spotted and picked up by the provinces.
Rabada is the worst example you could've chosen, his parents are doctors (or one of them is) and he went to one of the top private schools, good example of the new black middle class rather than the disadvantaged, there was a good article about him on cricinfo.
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Whatever happened to All Hand Zondeki?
Bravo sir. Bravo. :D
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Rabada is the worst example you could've chosen, his parents are doctors (or one of them is) and he went to one of the top private schools, good example of the new black middle class rather than the disadvantaged, there was a good article about him on cricinfo.
springbok i'm gonna take a good guess SA is your team, can I ask you a question for my benefit, and maybe some others on this forum thinking about this very subject.
Outside of South Africa, looking at a quota system seems just plain wrong. Any discrimination due to colour is wrong. Kids in shanty town outside of the rich areas have to have investment so they can come thru.
Far as I know Ntini came thru from a poor area(again, best of my knowledge he did from memory)
so what I am asking is, is it essential now the SA board introduce a draconian system based on colour to get black players thru to the National team?
Over the year the demographic of the team will change, England has with more Asian players now-this has to be the case(but naturally coming thru here)
SA cricket seems to have jumped ahead and deceided the system does not work to bring to game to the masses, and is now forcing it thru for right or wrong reason(wrong in my view)
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Not sure either of these has much to do with quota systems? Certainly not Roussow anyway, Abbott is denying transformation has anything to do with it but hard to believe that getting dropped for an unfit Philander didn't have some effect.
Good article on Cricinfo explaining about Abbott - deal was signed 5 months ago (before he got a run in tests) and has only leaked out now. Clearly not massively about money given he won't be playing IPL now and says he'll not be earning much more than his CSA contract pays, more job security and future coaching job prospects, sounds like he's aiming for a coaching job with Hampshire down the line or a maybe a nice private school head of cricket position. Understandable at least given he's 29 and probably won't be first choice for SA even after his recent run?
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Interesting slightly different view Edge, some of us presuming this is more related to the quota system than anything else.
I see the South African coach has slammed both players in the press today.
Are you hinting the impending departure from the EU where the kolpak loophole may possibly be closed in the next couple of years(or not because no one knows the answer to Brexit yet) has meant some South African players are now thinking they want to get in first and come over here to get residency well In advance of any possible cancelling of kolpak?
Adding in the quota system and the fact they are not guaranteed first choice for the test team?
So they are thinking England is a better bet career wise.....
Could we be seeing an influx of SA players doing the same, if so what happens to our home grown county players...sink or swim for them?
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Yeah that's exactly it in my view, bit of EU/Kolpak related panic and the chance of a guaranteed income for a decent length contract outweighing the possibility of more international caps. I'm sure quotas will have some influence on it but obviously hard to say how much, doesn't seem on the face of it like it's something Abbott thought about a lot. If you look at his stats he's really not played many games for SA either, only 3 more international games than Chris Jordan in about the same timeframe for example, and even that's after playing a lot in the past few months.
Wonder if Abbott and Roussow each knew the other was going, or had they kept it quiet and suddenly found out they were Kolpaking together!
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springbok i'm gonna take a good guess SA is your team, can I ask you a question for my benefit, and maybe some others on this forum thinking about this very subject.
Outside of South Africa, looking at a quota system seems just plain wrong. Any discrimination due to colour is wrong. Kids in shanty town outside of the rich areas have to have investment so they can come thru.
Far as I know Ntini came thru from a poor area(again, best of my knowledge he did from memory)
so what I am asking is, is it essential now the SA board introduce a draconian system based on colour to get black players thru to the National team?
Over the year the demographic of the team will change, England has with more Asian players now-this has to be the case(but naturally coming thru here)
SA cricket seems to have jumped ahead and deceided the system does not work to bring to game to the masses, and is now forcing it thru for right or wrong reason(wrong in my view)
It is but a generation removed, I think the need to be seen doing something is what's pushed this whole issue to this point. Transformation targets are a crude answer to a very complex question, maybe exacerbated by the generation that have experienced horrible wrongs under the past regime now being the politicians writing the laws.
As an outsider looking in it is easy to say it should be organic from the grassroots, the government and CSA getting cricket into schools and youth clubs etc and into the consciousness of the kids by funding clubs and programmes everywhere, but it should've been done 20 odd years ago and then it probably would've been blooming by now. At this stage everyone involved seems to be ignoring that missed opportunity and trying to stimulate growth from the top down (very similar to the ECB).
My personal opinion is politics and sport shouldn't be mixed but it is what it is, where the future takes us who knows. There was a great quote I read ages ago, probably from Mandela that went something like:
Until we can stop referring to ourselves as black, white or coloured and start simply calling ourselves South Africans we will never succeed.
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Fastastic quote that.
Thanks for answering,
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Possibly controversial, but what about Bavuma
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I've been reading a few quotes from Abbott and sorry to say the geezer has a big chip on his shoulder. Whilst being a fine bowler, can he really claim to have the X factor Steyn and Philander have? Does he have the pace and venom of Morkel? No on both counts.
Look back to the West Indies and Australia star teams, their bowling slots where pretty much looked in. You didn't see every other Aussie or West Indian rock up in England did you?
Abbott seems weak
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Hampshire are a very difficult county to like.
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Hampshire are a very difficult county to like.
Yep
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Hampshire are a very difficult county to like.
Living 20 minutes away from the Rose Ageas Bowl, I'd go as far as to call myself a fan...
I do however understand exactly what you mean, and recent goings on haven't exactly helped our popularity.
Fan or not - I'm still bitter about the Michael Bates saga, mind you...
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Most Proffesional sportsman time frame of Earings is very limited and at some stage in your career Family and Future will dictate their future Paths . Pride in representing your Country is the ultimate goal but a few years down the line won't put food on the table and educate your Children and the Cricket Boards that you represented will certainly forget about you within a few months of you leaving. Short term represent your Country on the Big Stage long term give your family and yourself a brighter future I know what choice I would take
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As a Durham fan I of course love Hampshire and hope their Kolpak signings go well!
Anyway David Weise the latest Kolpak, off to Sussex by all accounts!
Durham seem set to sign Stephen Cook too as overseas, subject to ECB approval of course!
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Van Zyl has signed as a Kolpak too.
Whoever's got him can look forward to match after match of nicking off to the moving ball!
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It's kolpaks all over the shop!! Allan Donald taking over at Kent too with the well built Matt Walker as his side kick.
The floodgates are open and everyone is belting for the UK.....
It's Straussy's fault, he may have gone to Radley and speak like prince Phillip but he's a South African underneath it all. him and his BFF Kevin Pieterson.
:) :)
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Wiese has also joined the club http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38559167 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38559167)
Dark times ahead
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YEAH he's in at Sussex
they got 2 now
is there a limit to how many a county can have?
I genuionley don't know the answer. ive always presumed there is no limit as covered under the EU rules
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It's kolpaks all over the shop!! Allan Donald taking over at Kent too with the well built Matt Walker as his side kick.
The article about this was incorrect, its the other way round Walker is head coach and Donald is assistant
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No limit - they are to all intents and purposes domestic players. Providing they meet the ECB requirements for a Work Permit, they're in.
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While I agree it's not great that English young players potentially miss out, doesn't it raise the standard of the CC with all these international players coming in?
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While I agree it's not great that English young players potentially miss out, doesn't it raise the standard of the CC with all these international players coming in?
Thats a very interesting question and one that doesnt have an easy answer.
Overseas players have always been in the game(kolpak is not overseas of course but you get the jist)
Richards(both barry and viv) haynes,donald,wasim and waqar,saqlain,crowe...the list goes on, only someone without a brain would argue they did not raise standards in the County game.
And County cricket is the only way in to the test side for young english pro's.Hameed perhaps a good example and Root....
Years back most counties had 2 overseas players....they helped get fans watching the game.
Kolpac is a legal loophole so the waters got muddied when it came into force.
Im sure there are healthy different views on the forum...
Take out Kolpak..you could go back to two overseas players of high class like it used to be..
But that's not possible at the moment
Be interesting to see others views on here...as it always is :)
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The international stars playing in the clubs would certainly raise the standard of the league and help the players they play for and against. I would think the advantages of having these players in the club far outweigh the disadvantages that a few English players might miss out of a chance to play. If any, it would put more competition towards selection into playing XI which is not such a bad thing IMO.
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Take out Kolpak..you could go back to two overseas players of high class like it used to be..
But that's not possible at the moment
Even with Kolpak out of the way i cant see a return to two overseas players for a whole season. I suspect it will end up with two overseas but the two people changing throughout the season with t20 leagues such as the CPL in the middle of the english season
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Just been peering down the list of County in & outs and have seen that Abbott and Rossouw are by no means the only South Africans signing on a Kolpak deal.
The list altogether is:
Kyle Abbott
Rilee Rossouw
Hardus Vilijoen
Simon Harmer
Stiaan Van Zyl
David Wiese
Now the Marchant De Lange on the way to Glamorgan potentially too, that's 7 players who have all played international cricket for South Africa in 2016, the oldest being 31 I believe. This exodus is insane!
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Just been peering down the list of County in & outs and have seen that Abbott and Rossouw are by no means the only South Africans signing on a Kolpak deal.
The list altogether is:
Kyle Abbott
Rilee Rossouw
Hardus Vilijoen
Simon Harmer
Stiaan Van Zyl
David Wiese
Now the Marchant De Lange on the way to Glamorgan potentially too, that's 7 players who have all played international cricket for South Africa in 2016, the oldest being 31 I believe. This exodus is insane!
Getting genuinely close to a South Africa A side! Rumours Dane Vilas is going too. This lot must have played A team cricket together at some point, the Kolpakshire XI looks strong:
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3 Roussow
4 Van Zyl
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6 Wiese
7 Vilas ?
8 Harmer
9 Abbott
10 Viljoen
11 De Lange ?
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Count the two that are already Kolpaked into the county game:
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2 Ingram
3 Roussow
4 Van Zyl
5 McLaren
6 Wiese
7 Vilas ?
8 Harmer
9 Abbott
10 Viljoen
11 De Lange ?
Just need one more!
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Easily filled if we include a couple of Saffers with UK passports or other Kolpakers, I've dropped Mclaren though. Not a bad side!
1 Brendan Taylor
2 Ingram
3 Roussow
4 Van Zyl
5 Rudolph
6 Wiese
7 Vilas ?
8 Harmer
9 Abbott
10 Viljoen
11 De Lange ?
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notice you don't have Dernbach in the side @edge
is that because he's not good enough to get in this SA side......
he's Kolpack right?
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I'm fairly sure Levi and Kleinveldt from Northants are both now Kolpak too.
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I'm fairly sure Levi and Kleinveldt from Northants are both now Kolpak too.
If Kleinveldt is the guy I saw on the telly he is 2 people joined together he is huge, and therefore 2 Kolpacs :)
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Haha! Good point, Levi isn't the worlds smallest guy either. They can both hit the ball a ridiculously long way though!
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notice you don't have Dernbach in the side @edge
is that because he's not good enough to get in this SA side......
he's Kolpack right?
Dernbach whilst originally from SA is classed as English (im sure we all still have the mental scars from watching him bowl). Moved here as a 14 year old and has never played as a Kolpak. According to Wikipedia he also has an Ityalian passport, maybe that is his route back into international cricket :)
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Say what you will about Dernbach, he never shied away from bowling the tough overs in limited overs cricket.
IMO McLaren is a better all-rounder than Wiese, so once de Lange or Vilas rock up I'd drop Wiese. Otherwise, of the confirmed Kolpaks...
1 Rudolph
2 Ingram
3 Roussow
4 Van Zyl
5 Taylor +
6 McClaren
7 Wiese
8 Kleinveldt
9 Harmer
10 Abbott
11 Viljoen
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Say what you will about Dernbach, he never shied away from bowling the tough overs in limited overs cricket.
Doesnt he have the most expensive first 1000 balls in international cricket or something like that?
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Doesnt he have the most expensive first 1000 balls in international cricket or something like that?
Top stat.
At least he can tell people he's in the record books? Doesn't have to specify why...
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He bowled death overs in an era when England couldn't give a flying fudge about one day cricket.
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Glamorgan's hopes of snarring paceman Marchant de Lange are over after it was revealed he's not played enough matches for South Africa in the last 18 months.
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Doubt he will get anymore matches in the future for SA. :)
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Doubt he will get anymore matches in the future for SA. :)
Geezer bowls above 90mph so wouldn't rule him out
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Their coach doesn't like backstabbers though... and they've already seen his intentions, they wouldn't risk it unless he guarantees he won't go overseas?
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And there is no real way of policing that...
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2017/content/story/1075758.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2017/content/story/1075758.html)
Elgar signs as an overseas after rejecting the chance to go Kolpak. Interesting to read that Yorkshire (and Durham) also had expressed an interest in Elgar as a kolpak. Have Yorkshire had Kolpak's previously?
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Yorkshire have had Jacques Rudolph, who went back to South Africa to play Tests again.
Not sure about anyone else.
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Yorkshire have had Jacques Rudolph, who went back to South Africa to play Tests again.
Not sure about anyone else.
Ah ok. I was thinking it was their first foray into the world of Kolpak, obviously not
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All these ex international cricketers coming to CC will no doubt improve the Standard and understandbly it does take away the spots that young English Professionals could fill . Or is the Real Answer due to ECB not doing Enough from Grass Roots level upwards that the Young English Proffesionals don't make the Grade there by forcing Counties to go the Kolpack route ?
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Yorkshire have had Jacques Rudolph, who went back to South Africa to play Tests again.
Not sure about anyone else.
The only other one is Deon Kruis that I can recall. But they are looking for 2017 - a product of England and the ECB behaving so badly around the release of our players.
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Just noticed Vilas and Shiv join Lancashire on Kolpak deals don't know if this has already been mentioned and I've missed it haha http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38764605 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38764605)