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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: ScottParko on January 09, 2017, 09:51:59 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/01/09/england-captain-alastair-cook-prepares-stand-joe-root-ready/amp/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/01/09/england-captain-alastair-cook-prepares-stand-joe-root-ready/amp/)
Telegraph expecting Cook to step down any day now with Root the only candidate to take over supported by Ben Stokes! No big shock!
Root won't take the reigns until July v SAfrica so gives him plenty of time to get to grips with some of the off field baggage to come with captaincy
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It is the right thing for his batting career. Cook can still break records.
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the Telegraph are normally right so mit's just a case of waiting for an announcement.
I can appreciate this may be beneficial for AC now as if you had to choose between his runs or burn out still skippering all England fans would take the former. He still could have 5 years ahead easily as a batter.
He's been more of a leader than a captain I think, someone who is respected in the dressing room, a bit old school maybe...
But whether Root taking over now I the right thing i'm not sure.
The problem perhaps is Root seems the only show in town. I can't see Stokes coping with it-although sounds like he maybe vice....
We don't have a lot of options really
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Making Ben Stokes vice captain is like making Gareth Keenan milk monitor at school.
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Making Ben Stokes vice captain is like making Gareth Keenan milk monitor at school.
Which character? I don't get it.. Personally think Stokes should be captain.. Guy is a born winner and has shown he can play for the team over these last 12 months. unlike Root, who continually gets out at the wrong time playing the wrong shot...
I would still have root in the side at 4 every day of the week...
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Gosh! Every opponent out there will have detailed a couple of 'characters' in there team to give Stokesy some chat in the field. Be interesting to see how he reacts.
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I think the ECB way when possible is to appoint someone old school like Buttler due to all the other stuff that comes with the captainacy
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Good time for Root to take over to be fair. Just had his first child so will be in a great place mentally.
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Which character? I don't get it.. Personally think Stokes should be captain.. Guy is a born winner and has shown he can play for the team over these last 12 months. unlike Root, who continually gets out at the wrong time playing the wrong shot...
I would still have root in the side at 4 every day of the week...
Give him a token role to make him feel important with the intention of not letting him anywhere near the top job.
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Give him a token role to make him feel important with the intention of not letting him anywhere near the top job.
if the red headed one is Vice he's pretty close. Root gets an injury and he can't be by passed-he will be England Captain
We would be combative :)
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Personally, I would like to Cook to stay but I can see his reasons for wanting to get out. The team may have completed it's natural evolution under him.
However - if he does go it can only be Root. Other than cook there isn't another batter in the side who is nailed on a spot who could be captain - unless you go YJB and drop him from the gloves move him to 5/6 and buttler as keeper. can't be keeper, batsman and captain without getting frazzled
not ideal but is what it is
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Personally, I would like to Cook to stay but I can see his reasons for wanting to get out. The team may have completed it's natural evolution under him.
However - if he does go it can only be Root. Other than cook there isn't another batter in the side who is nailed on a spot who could be captain - unless you go YJB and drop him from the gloves move him to 5/6 and buttler as keeper. can be keeper, batsman and captain without getting frazzled
not ideal but is what it is
I think Cook should stay on as well. I just think this Root next in line stuff is a bit artificial
To my knowledge Root does not have much captaincy experience. The problem is after Cook no one really does
I'd be very surprised if YJB has skippered significantly in the past. Could be wrong thou.
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Root is a great batsman, probably one of the best of his generation and a record breaker. As a captain, he will be going head-to-head against the likes of Kohli, Faf, and other extremely competitive characters who are busy shaping their teams in their image. These international captain have a lot of fire and I just don't see Root competing well against these guys; he will squander the amazing talent (probably more than most) that England has!
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Giving Stokes a role could mellow him a bit maybe? Don't hear much of Warner being a k**b since he's been made vice captain of Oz
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^ Same with Kohli; he channels his fire to win matches now.
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Giving Stokes a role could mellow him a bit maybe? Don't hear much of Warner being a k**b since he's been made vice captain of Oz
I agree. I'm not an advocate of giving him the full captaincy in time though. It's more that all-rounders don't generally make good captains. Flintoff being a case in point. The beginning of the end was his bowling himself into the ground against Sri Lanka at Lord's. Stokes has enough to worry about.
Re. Warner, Australia have had more pressing issues since he became vc, well, until Pakistan rocked up.... ;)
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It is a shame because i think Cook has done well to captain England this long getting the results he has considering he isn't actually that great a tactical captain, he is just a great leader.
Time will tell how it effects Roots batting - what i will say is that if he is captain it might make him decide to move back to 4 so he can have a rest after being in the field etc... which i think is a better place for him.
I don't think Stokes will ever be given the top job as you would take away what is great about him, you simply can't have your captain right on the edge of being fined all the time etc... but that is what is so great about Stokes.
An interesting one i think is Butler - he will undoubtedly soon be the ODI captain when Morgan realises its time to go and if Butler can hold down a Test place you will have the opportunity to have a Captain of both sides.
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Having a captain who get firery isn't always a good thing, accidental comments in and off the field could cause problems within the team. Maybe stokes as vice to get everyone geered up would be my option.
A good captain isn't always the best player on the pitch so I could see the option of another player being captain, but don't have a clue who, the team gets chopped and changed frequently.
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^ These days, a Mike Brearley would be fine for a club setup but international cricket is a pro sport now. You need 11 players not 10.
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I'm just going to reiterate a couple of opinions of mine that I've shared in past threads.
A: England need Cook to continue playing at the top of the order for as long as possible, he is nigh on invaluable to the team as a batsman let alone as simply having the most country's capped player of all time as a voice on the field and in the dressing room. With this in mind Cook and the ECB need to decide what keeps him playing at the top level the longest, does he need the top job to feed his ego a little bit and keep him hungry or does it weigh him down and will it ultimately shorten his career. Only Cook will know this and whether he feels he will be able to play by the new skippers rules after being in charge for so long. That is the crux of the matter in my opinion, what keeps Cook in the team for as long as possible (barring a horrendous drop in form obviously)?
B: As much as I'm not 100% sold on Root being the new captain, as others have said I don't think there are many other obvious outstanding candidates. The only other guaranteed starters are Stokes, Bairstow, Broad, Jimmy and maybe Mo and Woakes, no one else has a nailed down spot. Stokes and YJB would have too high a workload if the captaincy was added (I am of the opinion like others that Stokes will make an excellent VC though), Jimmy is at the wrong end of his career leaving basically Stuart Broad as the only other candidate I would think worth considering although, apart from T20, he doesn't really have much captaincy experience.
Ramble, ramble, ramble. Hope that was reasonably coherent :)
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Broad is clueless, talks (No Swearing Please), doesn't have a cricket brain and is a (No Swearing Please)... apart from that ( Im a Notts fan !)
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Broad is clueless, talks (No Swearing Please), doesn't have a cricket brain and is a (No Swearing Please)... apart from that ( Im a Notts fan !)
Just to clear things up, I don't necessarily think Broad would make a good captain, I was just pointing out that, apart from Root, he may be the only viable alternative.
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it really could give Cook a new lease of life and new part of his career, even (as has been debated on here long and hard) the opportunity to drop down to 3 and watch the 2 new youngsters learn and grow into the new England opening pair, as Root captains from number 4. :D :( :o ;)
Plus he will probably get more chance to whack it everywhere for Essex, which will bolster their chances of staying in Div 1.
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Broad is clueless, talks (No Swearing Please), doesn't have a cricket brain and is a (No Swearing Please)... apart from that ( Im a Notts fan !)
this is a quality post :)
teriffic bowler, absolutely superb, does not seem to have a clue what's going on in the game
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this is a quality post :)
teriffic bowler, absolutely superb, does not seem to have a clue what's going on in the game
But was the first to spot KP's weakness against left arm spin...
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But was the first to spot KP's weakness against left arm spin...
yeah I think he tweeted it on the KPGENUIS twitter
oh come on, Broadyyyyy knew all about that. It was his housemate that was behind it.
:) :)
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The KPGENIUS thing may be the brightest thing he's done. Certainly more entertaining than most of his reviews!!!
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Do KP and Broad even talk to each other if they meet at an event?
How the treated KP was just wrong; he was and is an amazing talent! It is a shame how his Test career ended.
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Do KP and Broad even talk to each other if they meet at an event?
How the treated KP was just wrong; he was and is an amazing talent! It is a shame how his Test career ended.
there's fault of both sides that's for sure. The KP genius mocking KP should of been clamped down on for sure, but they didn't prob because they knew Broad must of been involved.
can't stand KP myself and glad he is out of the side. For various reasons
HOWEVER....... when the situation arose the Yorkshire guy Graves told him to go away and score runs for his County and 'everyones starts with a blank sheet' and then he hit 300(yes against a weak side-so what?)
and then the ECB changed tack and then said he could not play for 'breakdown of trust' that was for me massively, massively wrong......
The ECB made themselves look stupid, and rightly got hammered in the press.
That particular part of the KP saga was morally wrong and most England fans, KP supporters or not, thought it was the lowest point...everyone I spoke to anyway
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I thought the lowest part was when KP was (allegedly) talking to his mates in the SA team about how to get Strauss out and calling him names.
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there's fault of both sides that's for sure. The KP genius mocking KP should of been clamped down on for sure, but they didn't prob because they knew Broad must of been involved.
can't stand KP myself and glad he is out of the side. For various reasons
HOWEVER....... when the situation arose the Yorkshire guy Graves told him to go away and score runs for his County and 'everyones starts with a blank sheet' and then he hit 300(yes against a weak side-so what?)
and then the ECB changed tack and then said he could not play for 'breakdown of trust' that was for me massively, massively wrong......
The ECB made themselves look stupid, and rightly got hammered in the press.
That particular part of the KP saga was morally wrong and most England fans, KP supporters or not, thought it was the lowest point...everyone I spoke to anyway
Although wrong it was Strauss getting his own back for the S.A business
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Funny thing is he is still Englands best player haha