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Title: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Number4 on January 23, 2017, 10:54:13 PM
Well done to a very deserved David Warner for winning the Allan Border medal 2 years in a row.

Is the best yet to come from the exciting left hand batsman?
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Over Gully on January 23, 2017, 11:05:12 PM
Just turned 30, so he should be at his peak right now. He is comfortably the best opening batsman in the world, a genuine match-winner who can turn a game single-handedly, and there are only a handful of players in the world that can do that. For me he still has 2 things to conquer in the Test arena, that is India and England away. He is good enough but probably needs to rein his game in a bit, especially in England. When you go as hard at the ball as he does, when the conditions are doing a bit he will be vulnerable early. In 2015 he averaged 40 and passed 50 5 times but no hundreds, so he was nearly but not quite there. India he just needs to bat time and the runs will come.
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Number4 on January 23, 2017, 11:18:12 PM
I think he is improving as a test player... he is becoming more patient at the crease and this will hold hm in good stead for both India and England... True is isn't quite there but he isn't far off...
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: langer17 on January 23, 2017, 11:55:10 PM
In 2015 he averaged 40 and passed 50 5 times but no hundreds, so he was nearly but not quite there. India he just needs to bat time and the runs will come.

Most players (as there are far more lower players than those at elite standards) would consider averaging 40 in test cricket an awesome year...Mitch Marsh haha. If his quiet year means he only averages 40 he's living the dream.
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Aussiecollector on January 24, 2017, 12:13:00 AM
The reverend is in session , will see how his flat track skills are tested overseas , it will be his greatest challenge
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Over Gully on January 24, 2017, 12:45:05 AM
Most players (as there are far more lower players than those at elite standards) would consider averaging 40 in test cricket an awesome year...Mitch Marsh haha. If his quiet year means he only averages 40 he's living the dream.

It is relative to your overall average I suppose. Warner in 2016 averaged about 37 in Tests. If that is his "bad" year, then you have to say that is at least serviceable. Probably all players have their weakness in certain countries. Sehwag had a very poor record in England. Ricky Ponting in India was well below his final Test average. Even if Warner doesn't quite work it out in England or India, should he maintain an average around the 50 mark he will go down as an all-time great, albeit with a question mark or a blot on the copybook.
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Number4 on January 24, 2017, 01:50:45 AM
Just turned 30, so he should be at his peak right now. He is comfortably the best opening batsman in the world, a genuine match-winner who can turn a game single-handedly, and there are only a handful of players in the world that can do that. For me he still has 2 things to conquer in the Test arena, that is India and England away. He is good enough but probably needs to rein his game in a bit, especially in England. When you go as hard at the ball as he does, when the conditions are doing a bit he will be vulnerable early. In 2015 he averaged 40 and passed 50 5 times but no hundreds, so he was nearly but not quite there. India he just needs to bat time and the runs will come.

In 2015 he actually averaged 54.87 and scored 4 x 100's and 7 x 50's from 13 matches and scoring 1317 runs... unless you are talking about just against England of course
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Over Gully on January 24, 2017, 02:43:05 AM
In 2015 he actually averaged 54.87 and scored 4 x 100's and 7 x 50's from 13 matches and scoring 1317 runs... unless you are talking about just against England of course

Yeah that reference was just for England. He actually averaged 46 in the 2015 series, which is not too far below his career average of 49. 5 half-centuries, no hundred. 2013 Ashes averaged 23. 2013 India tour averages 24.
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Stuey on January 24, 2017, 08:24:41 AM
I remember watching his first T20 plucked from grade cricket, my Aussie mate said who the **** is this guy?! To say he has taken his opportunity is an understatement.
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Aussiecollector on January 24, 2017, 08:39:41 AM
His 1st cricket breakthrough was in the hong kong sixers tournament has come a long way since then
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Alvaro on January 24, 2017, 11:05:45 AM
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd117/fake_street_spirit/Untitled_zpsz96zzevr.gif) (http://s224.photobucket.com/user/fake_street_spirit/media/Untitled_zpsz96zzevr.gif.html)

Warner is the archetypal modern Test player - colossal at home, fair to poor overseas. If they played less cricket, you could argue that this would give him a better chance to succeed in Asia, England, NZ.
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Number4 on January 24, 2017, 11:36:40 AM
To be fair most of those figures you are looking at are at least 2-3 years old and he hasn't played in India since 2013... I think we need to see what plays out over the next couple of series
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Alvaro on January 24, 2017, 11:41:49 AM
Sure - but it's different smashing 2nd innings hundreds in Sydney and Melbourne when you're already 200 runs ahead and batting outside Australia.

I put the stats up as an indicator, not as a defamation of an incredibly exciting cricketer.

For what it's worth, his AB medal is more a recognition of his ODI form though, right?
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Number4 on January 24, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
Most definitely his odi form weighed heavily on his winning of the AB Medal
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: rickjames on January 24, 2017, 01:19:00 PM
Should have been given to Clive Rose
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: edge on January 24, 2017, 01:25:05 PM
Should have been given to Clive Rose Callum Ferguson's brother
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: rickjames on January 24, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
Look at him, he's one of us

(http://www.cricket.com.au/-/media/Players/Men/Domestic/Hobart-Hurricanes/Clive-Rose-BBL06.ashx)
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Manormanic on January 24, 2017, 04:38:44 PM
Just turned 30, so he should be at his peak right now. He is comfortably the best opening batsman in the world, a genuine match-winner who can turn a game single-handedly, and there are only a handful of players in the world that can do that. For me he still has 2 things to conquer in the Test arena, that is India and England away. He is good enough but probably needs to rein his game in a bit, especially in England. When you go as hard at the ball as he does, when the conditions are doing a bit he will be vulnerable early. In 2015 he averaged 40 and passed 50 5 times but no hundreds, so he was nearly but not quite there. India he just needs to bat time and the runs will come.

In England, I wonder if there is an argument for him (and Smith as well) to drop a place or two in the order.  Get people with tighter techniques to face the new ball then make hay later in the innings?
Title: Re: Allan Border Medalist
Post by: Buzz on January 24, 2017, 07:16:35 PM
In England, I wonder if there is an argument for him (and Smith as well) to drop a place or two in the order.  Get people with tighter techniques to face the new ball then make hay later in the innings?
He could swap with Kuwaja for sure. Won't happen though