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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: ppccopener on January 28, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
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Interesting article just appeared in the Telegraph, because normally players who are dropped don't say or criticise the mananagement/captain/coach as it might harm their chances of a recall.
He is saying he was asked to bat unnaturally for the team goal of 'batting all day' -against his instincts.
When I first saw this lad play I thought this guy pretty much plays one way, a natural striker of the ball, but defence clearly was not his forte.
Is Duckett right and should he of been more encouraged to do what got him into the team in the first place?
Of should test players always adjust their play to the team needs?
And....has he made it harder to now get a recall.
He clearly is a strong willed and confident individual -both assets needed if you are going to reach the top.
Be interested to see how this pans out. :)
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I think he's saying he should have trusted his instincts to attack and bat all day, not have a slog and get out.
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Test players (especially those supposed test quality players in the top six) should be able to adapt to all situations and conditions.. hence what being one of the best six batters is about, if they can't then they shouldn't be there.
If he's saying all he can do is go hard st the ball and hope he comes off then he simply isn't a test batsmen. Stick to white ball.
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Isn't that the idea of test cricket Batting? To bat all day? He was brought in to the top 4, so he should be expected to do that anyway.
Just bat how you would normally will give you the best chance of batting for the longest period of time.
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Test players (especially those supposed test quality players in the top six) should be able to adapt to all situations and conditions.. hence what being one of the best six batters is about, if they can't then they shouldn't be there.
If he's saying all he can do is go hard st the ball and hope he comes off then he simply isn't a test batsmen. Stick to white ball.
He's not saying that, he's saying it's tough to play in foreign conditions for the first time against the best bowler in the world. He's 22, in his 3rd or 4th game and was literally doing what he was told. And in an honest moment of self-reflection he's saying maybe I'd do it differently next time.
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Seems he fell out with the management in India and was isolated from the rest of the squad, certainly his social media posts at the time had that air about them. can't think of any reason why he wouldn't at least have been in the ODI squad as his one day performances in Bangladesh were pretty good.
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I think Duckett is the one to be blamed for not understanding the Team's instruction right. Team asked him to bat all day which is a fair request at Test Level. Team isnt concerned whether he defends or slogs provided he bats all day. If he can't defend and bat all day, he could have opted to slog AND bat all day. If he is saying he can't do either of these, then it shows his incompetence to play at Test level.
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There have been very few cases of someone getting to test level doing one thing then being made into a top class version of something else - for the vast majority, the game that got them to the top level is tweaked and improved on over time.
So, what took Duckett to the Test side? Aggressive batting at the top of the order. He has batted all day in Championship cricket - and when he has done so, he has made double hundreds. I think the question that he needs to answer for himself is how did his approach in the test side differ from that at Northants? I suspect it wasn't about instructions, so much as about not being clear how he was going to pu thte Indian bowlers on to the back foot.
What he really needs is a season or two of Division One cricket...
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Yes Manor good point, this is a young player we are talking about, he's just early twenties, not going to be the finished article by any means. Duckett has been thou the ages groups into the Lions with his natural game, his mental strength will of being assessed by the coaches, same as hameed, Jason Roy, etc....you simply don't get to that level without knowing how to play. No one is saying picking Duckett was wrong(that I know anyway).
To me something is not right here, I agree a bit with @Calzehbhoy, without speculating some sort of fall out.
What I cannot understand is he was picked for the test side, but now back to the Lions games to work(correct surely) but he is not in the longer format of the game, only white ball. I cannot get my head round this.....
Why would you not say to him ' your playing all lions games (longer form) we want you to work out a way.
We know he can play one day cricket.
unless I'm missing something it doesn't make sense to me.
England need to be careful handling young players....these days, they don't usually get the intial choice wrong...
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The other thing too, is if they pee the younger ones off enough that they focus on t20 and the financial rewards on offer.
Rather than try and fit? Into some role for a bunch of diehards, stuck in some long since gone past
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Interesting article just appeared in the Telegraph, because normally players who are dropped don't say or criticise the mananagement/captain/coach as it might harm their chances of a recall.
He is saying he was asked to bat unnaturally for the team goal of 'batting all day' -against his instincts.
When I first saw this lad play I thought this guy pretty much plays one way, a natural striker of the ball, but defence clearly was not his forte.
Is Duckett right and should he of been more encouraged to do what got him into the team in the first place?
Of should test players always adjust their play to the team needs?
And....has he made it harder to now get a recall.
He clearly is a strong willed and confident individual -both assets needed if you are going to reach the top.
Be interested to see how this pans out. :)
Sorry he playing for England not bloody Bobs Bats 3rd eleven he needs to man up and agree with @Manormanic needs to score runs in the top division and learn to play different ways instead of hitting pie chuckers..
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It's always easier to blame someone else, anyone got a link or copy and paste of the article for a full read?
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This was the test where England decided they wanted a batathon they were never interested in chasing Indias total
Yes in test matches you need guys who can hang in there.
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But if you actually read the article, he's only critical of himself.
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Headline doesn't really fit the interview, link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/01/28/ben-duckettblames-slump-englands-tactics/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/01/28/ben-duckettblames-slump-englands-tactics/)
Worth noting that Cricinfo have also interviewed him, both at some kind of pre-lions tour presser by the sounds of things, and they titled their piece 'Duckett dusts himself down after Test baptism - Batsman vows to learn from experience'.