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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: wasted_talent on February 02, 2017, 09:40:38 AM
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So over the recent years, I have noticed how "batsmen" moan about guys bowling bouncers in nets.
Now, my view is, a bowler needs to practice all his various deliveries. Thus bowling the "odd" bouncer should be allowed. As long as you don't over do it, and end up bowling several bouncers to the one batsmen.
Was wondering what other peoples views are on this?
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I dont mind if its a true weapon for the bowler during regular season.
What i do mind is the medium pacer who wouldnt be able to pull it off during regular season, who just loves the hard deck and ruins your chance of proper cricket practice. (proper being facing the bowler at what he is best at, not short balls being bad cricket)
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Depends, if you play at a level or on a surface that allows a decent bouncer then that's fine as it s a delivery a batsman is likely to come up against
If you are unlikely to ever come up against anyone who is gonna get it up high enough, whether that's because of pace or the wickets you play on then there's no point
Why face bouncers all winter nets in hard indoor surfaces then come April and nothing gets above hip high.
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I think it depends on the surface.
I'm an offie but out winter nets are pretty bouncy and it's hard to resist the temptation to dobble in occasionally and unleash one.
That said at my pace people shouldn't be getting into trouble anyway, and we play on astro so the outdoor pitches are pretty bouncy also.
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Depends, if you play at a level or on a surface that allows a decent bouncer then that's fine as it s a delivery a batsman is likely to come up against
If you are unlikely to ever come up against anyone who is gonna get it up high enough, whether that's because of pace or the wickets you play on then there's no point
Why face bouncers all winter nets in hard indoor surfaces then come April and nothing gets above hip high.
To be fair, regardless of the surface, a bowler needs to have variation in his options, don't you think? So even if outdoors it may not get as high or reach as quick, dropping it short is an option that may be required at some point.
I agree that one shouldn't over bowl them in nets. As like you say, outdoors at club level, you aren't going to be bowling them that often.
I disagree with batsmen who moan and say it shouldn't be bowled at all indoors.
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I think you should ask a few questions.
1. Can you bowl bouncers outside, if not then don't try inside
2. What is the batsman working on in the net session. If he wants lots if short balls, great. If he wants balls in tge channel help grove that aspect of your bowling.
3. What are you as a bowler looking to get out of your net session, what are you working on.
4. How realistic is the net you are in. The old Bank od England ones were above a swimming pool and RAPID and even a length ball swung and bounced, it was rubbish practice for everyone!
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it's all about levels, ego and having good practice behaviors.
- if a batter wants to practice the short ball and the bowler is keen the crack on
- if you are doing match simulation then you would bowl an over of bouncers in the summer?
- Oh and tailenders complaining is not allowed as this is what they could face in the middle at the end of an innings
if you want to make it more realistic change the ball to one that swings and seams but doesn't bounce as much, there are some good indoor balls, or double matt the quicks net
Oh and if you want to practice something probably not best to do it against a variety of bowlers
-try bowling overs
-facing throw downs
-side arms
- even the bowling machine to groove shorts and movement patterns
I've played on wickets in April that have seamed and bounced like nothing I have seen before so as a batsman you have to prepare for everything
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Can only echo what has been said
I always tell people bowl and bat like you would in a game unless practicing a specific delivery or shot
If you wouldn't dig it in outside don't do it indoor
Unlucky for me we have 2-4 guys who bowl it outdoor at decent pace so I cant complain too much but gives me practice as well as I face short bowling.
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is it not the same as batters who just slog bowlers who are trying to get back to their lengths after a winter off bit of respect from both ends in my view
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I think it also depends on the quality of bowlers. Some of what you face in nets are players that will never bowl outdoors and don't really know what they are doing. They may not have any control of where they pitch the ball so some leeway has to be given.
If its a quick who just likes banging it in to try and hit people then that's a bit out of order. I tend to try and pick the net where the better bowlers who bowl "properly" are.
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I think the. Lesser batsman who's paid his money for his 10 mins net practice should be considered how benificial the practice is by the bowlers who are trying to knock his head off.
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As a batsmen you shouldn't have any issue with what a bowler is putting down. You should be good enough to be prepared to face anything, smash a couple out of sight and they'll know where to bowl it.
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I don't mind facing the odd bouncer in the nets, but it really frustrates me when bowlers constantly bowl bouncers it doesn't give you any time to practice the similar length of the majority of deliveries in matches. As a colt breaking into adult cricket I was regularly given a session of bouncers from everyone the quicker bowlers, the dobblers and even the spinners. It was difficult to build confidence but I guess in the long term it kinda worked as I'm fairly strong of the back foot now but it is annoying only facing short balls.
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Depending on the hall I have to tell our bowlers whether they can bowl bouncers or not.
A couple of the halls we net in have an almost breeze block back wall and I really struggle to pick the ball out so bouncers are out the question. If we're in a dedicated cricket hall or one with a white back wall then I enjoy the challenge of bowlers trying to hit me.
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As a batsmen you shouldn't have any issue with what a bowler is putting down. You should be good enough to be prepared to face anything, smash a couple out of sight and they'll know where to bowl it.
Tell that to the number 11 who as just been hit In the face by his team mate.
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Tell that to the number 11 who as just been hit In the face by his team mate.
Haha that's why their called tailenders and not batsmen
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To be fair, regardless of the surface, a bowler needs to have variation in his options, don't you think? So even if outdoors it may not get as high or reach as quick, dropping it short is an option that may be required at some point.
I agree that one shouldn't over bowl them in nets. As like you say, outdoors at club level, you aren't going to be bowling them that often.
I disagree with batsmen who moan and say it shouldn't be bowled at all indoors.
yeah i do think that a bowler needs variation but theres a big difference between back of a length shorter ball and bouncer, i dont think i saw one bouncer last year when i was playing, plenty of shorter balls but nothing head high, not outdoors on a square anyway
@19reading87 and @Maverick79 snd @uknsaunders might say otherwise but i certainly dont recall any
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Haha that's why their called tailenders and not batsmen
and yet they still have to bat..
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yeah i do think that a bowler needs variation but theres a big difference between back of a length shorter ball and bouncer, i dont think i saw one bouncer last year when i was playing, plenty of shorter balls but nothing head high, not outdoors on a square anyway
@19reading87 and @Maverick79 snd @uknsaunders might say otherwise but i certainly dont recall any
wow, not one bouncer :o
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yeah i do think that a bowler needs variation but theres a big difference between back of a length shorter ball and bouncer, i dont think i saw one bouncer last year when i was playing, plenty of shorter balls but nothing head high, not outdoors on a square anyway
@19reading87 and @Maverick79 snd @uknsaunders might say otherwise but i certainly dont recall any
To be fair anything shorter than a Yorker would go over @uknsaunders head...
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and yet they still have to bat..
Then learn to duck or sway? There's plenty of ways of playing the short stuff, you can't shy away from it Crickets a tough sport
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yeah i do think that a bowler needs variation but theres a big difference between back of a length shorter ball and bouncer, i dont think i saw one bouncer last year when i was playing, plenty of shorter balls but nothing head high, not outdoors on a square anyway
@19reading87 and @Maverick79 snd @uknsaunders might say otherwise but i certainly dont recall any
Once last year, away at Stoneleigh for me. But didn't get a genuine bumper since 2 years ago
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if the batsman is playing proper shots to the deliveries faced, the bowler has a duty to bowl as they would in a match. If the batsmen is slogging everything then I think the bowler is within his rights to bowl as he sees fit.
Bat properly = bowl properly. Think you're Chris Gayle? Well I'm Joel Garner.
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what I find more annoying is batsmen slogging straight back down the pitch...nearly impossible sometimes to get out of the way as the net can get crowded.
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On the occasions I play on a pitch that allows it in the season I'll always bowl bouncers, whether to force a batsman back or sometimes because I'm angry ha, so I bowl a few in nets. Good to face them too as you do get bowled them outdoors. There's no point overdoing it though as you do see some people doing or you'll get yourself in trouble when you get outdoors. As others have said though, if a batsman (particularly if they're a good player) is just slogging across the line rather than batting properly then they'll get some reminders! Remember when I was at uni there's was a county 2s bat who'd come in to the club training and slog everything, not talk to anyone and go and do fielding practice away from the nets rather than bowl, before leaving early. The nets were rapid so quickly decided to never bowl anywhere except at his head.
Don't bowl bouncers at your own tailenders in nets though, don't be a dick!
Often as not the problem isn't some bloke being a pillock and bowling too short though, it's the surface. Most amateur quicksilver miss their lengths and bung one in halfway down sometimes, difference is outdoors is usually sits up and disappears rather than flying through like it does in some nets. Also, on a personal level, if I'm not bowling with a newish ball outdoors I mostly try and hit back of a length. I'm tall and bowl an ok pace, so in some nets a lot of it can end up coming through chest high, and while you do try and adjust sometimes you end up with a batsman throwing the toys out the pram! Moral of the story is, super bouncy indoor net surfaces don't provide good practice for amateur cricketers - bowlers or batsmen.
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Then learn to duck or sway? There's plenty of ways of playing the short stuff, you can't shy away from it Crickets a tough sport
It's even tougher when your non batsman Has paid his net fee and his team mates have cracked his ribs because he could not pick the ball.
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It's even tougher when your non batsman Has paid his net fee and his team mates have cracked his ribs because he could not pick the ball.
Exactly, the challenges of this great sport!
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Exactly, the challenges of this great sport!
The challenges of not being able to earn your living due to a team mate injuring you.
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Exactly, the challenges of this great sport!
Have you ever cracked a rib playing cricket?
I have, out of action for 6 months and still hate the short ball!that was 10 years ago this summer
I'm sure there's people on here who can vouch for how rubbish it feels!
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Have you ever cracked a rib playing cricket?
I have, out of action for 6 months and still hate the short ball!that was 10 years ago this summer
I'm sure there's people on here who can vouch for how rubbish it feels!
I did mine in an ice skating accident a few years back. (And I think the people who witnessed it may have cracked a rib laughing at me before they realised I'd done some damage...)
You really do take things for granted, like being able to breathe without it hurting!
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I'm all for it, if I'm playing bouncers well indoors I know I'll be ok come the season. But I do think it depends on who is batting at the time. No point bombing someone in the nets just because you can.
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Have you ever cracked a rib playing cricket?
I have, out of action for 6 months and still hate the short ball!that was 10 years ago this summer
I'm sure there's people on here who can vouch for how rubbish it feels!
Unfortunately injuries are part of the sport, any sports for that matter.
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Unfortunately injuries are part of the sport, any sports for that matter.
As long as you call it sport it's okay to injure your teammate during practice ?
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i spent two hours yesterday on the short ball.
Cracked my helmet used my chest guard well too..
Good session ball short as you like I say!!!!
My theory is if they can pull it off in a game then fair enough otherwise stick to what you do..
I'm gonna say it bowl short get wacked!!!(well nearly if it doesn't scone me first)
Also helps your handspeed
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As long as you call it sport it's okay to injure your teammate during practice ?
Who's injuring on deliberate? There's chest guards, there's gloves oh yeah and a bat it's not as if the batsmen is completely option-less. It's difficult to justify saying to someone "don't bowl bouncers at me because i can't play them" nor can you say that in a game, and at some point if you really are struggling you will get barraged in a game. If you can't play it then don't get in the net, do some drills instead before jumping in.
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You need to be selective its net practice it's not difficult to say my team mate can't play the short stuff you can't discharge your duty of care you injure some one especially if you know there batting limitations you and your club could end up in court.
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😂 You'll be saying only bowl at certain speeds next as if it hits you on the gloves it might break a finger!
If you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen! You're only ever going to improve by facing it! Like has been said previously, unless it's dangerous (hall lighting/unpredictable bounce) or there is an obvious ability gap (E.G. 1st teamer bowling st 4th teamer) you've got to learn to face what you'll get in a game!
Can't ask the oppo bowler not to bump you as you might not like it/get hurt!
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I think what this boils down to is 10 minutes batting on a bouncy indoor surface isn't a great use of anyone's time
I don't like the comments "oooh look at the typical 'net' bowler" when someone posts a video but equally every ball at your head is a bit of a waste of time, comfortable or not.
As with most things it comes down to the Last Leg motto...
Some like it at there head others don't!!!
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😂 You'll be saying only bowl at certain speeds next as if it hits you on the gloves it might break a finger!
If you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen! You're only ever going to improve by facing it! Like has been said previously, unless it's dangerous (hall lighting/unpredictable bounce) or there is an obvious ability gap (E.G. 1st teamer bowling st 4th teamer) you've got to learn to face what you'll get in a game!
Can't ask the oppo bowler not to bump you as you might not like it/get hurt!
No not saying bowl at certain speeds at all and it's nothing to do with can't stand the heat etc more to do with injuring a team mate who doesn't have the same ability as me also facing bouncers in an indoor net as little reverance to facing the short stuff iin an outdoor match.
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my theory is if you want to play it practise hard the skill...
however the crap about playing at high standard you expect it is bollox..
in professional players nets they hardly try and kill the player neither do high up league cricket either...
I think it the average medium pacer who trys to knock your head off who cant get it above you thigh outdoors is funny.
However practise it people with tennis balls get confident as @DorsetDan SAYS ONCE YOU HAVE SMIFED ONE they tend to piss off...
Also if your club has a decent coach over-watching he should step in if it daft practise
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To flip this around, do people get as agitated about someone who can constantly bowl on your toes?
At the moment in the nets so far, the in swinging good length ball zips through indoors and keeps hitting me on exactly the same spot on my inner thigh... just below the thigh pad.... every single week. The bruises are forming on bruises! Who do I speak to about stopping this? :)
True, you make it look easy :) But that's half the challenge indoors or out- if you can get one away well the bowler usually doesn't try it much more
Move your thigh pad!! ;) Interesting thought though, I missed my line/length with my first couple of balls at nets at the weekend and pinned one of the 2s guys on the full, on the ankle, on the exact same spot both times. Imagine he'd have been a bit pissed off if it had been in the grille instead, but he took it quite well and limped off for a sit down.
On bouncers, agree completely with you both - in a game, if I dig a couple in and a batsman plays it comfortably (either hit it or just sway out the way) then I'm not going to waste my effort bowling any more of them. Same as any other delivery really except it's extra effort bowling bouncers.
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I usually warn the batsman that the next one is a short one, or sometimes I will say one out of 6 will be a bouncer in this over to emulate a match scenario. If they are told then they can actually practise playing the ball while i work on angles, length and line.
If someone complains about a bouncer, I tell them to either go to a different net or wait till the spinners come on....mind you this was in the days when we had the luxury of nets!!! :(
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Why would you want to go to a winter net knowing full well the conditions indoors will be no where near what you will find outdoors come mid April and bowl bouncers at your team mates . Why not go there and try hit the lengths you want to hit outdoors work on you change up Ball work on your death bowling do something constructive in winter training and hit the start of the season running not getting carted all round the park because you pitching it half way done the track
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Why would you want to go to a winter net knowing full well the conditions indoors will be no where near what you will find outdoors come mid April and bowl bouncers at your team mates . Why not go there and try hit the lengths you want to hit outdoors work on you change up Ball work on your death bowling do something constructive in winter training and hit the start of the season running not getting carted all round the park because you pitching it half way done the track
your thinking like a proper Bowler though Gary or just using common sense...
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Never really been a fan of indoor nets, they never prepare you for the Early season puddings. Throw downs is the best practice imo.
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Exactly, the challenges of this great sport!
It's amateur f'ing cricket get a grip.
Club nets are always pointless and bouncers from bowlers who simply can't bounce someone other than a kid outdoors are one reason why. Hence why personally I don't waste my time with club nets even though I'm yet to find anyone who can rush me with the short ball outside. (I can do pretty sharp indoors vs machine ), and yet people who know they'd go still do it. What are you training?? To get hit for runs ?? Bowl as you would outside and bat as you would outside.. batters who suddenly decide they are Gayle or warmer and tonk everything knowing full well they'd get out doing it are just as bad. If a batter is doing thst, feel free to bump him Sam he's being a dick.
Bowling short at someone you know isn't competent is a sure fire way to find a bat around your head.. some of us have to work so can't afford to be injured by some idiot who suddenly thinks he's in the ashes or playing pro cricket
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The bloody pad doesn't go low enough! Right between the top hat and thigh pad, every time! :) I'm off to Google super long inner thigh pads and hoping I don't get any unexpected search hits...
Stretton Fox? Or a couple of these under compression shorts ;) https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5709913/il_fullxfull.272636360.jpg
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Strettons will do the job @DorsetDan. I got hit 4 times on the inner thigh at the last net I was at, if I'd been wearing my old P2's I'd have been in pain but the Strettons cover a much larger surface area
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No not saying bowl at certain speeds at all and it's nothing to do with can't stand the heat etc more to do with injuring a team mate who doesn't have the same ability as me also facing bouncers in an indoor net as little reverance to facing the short stuff iin an outdoor match.
I'm with Senior on this. Flip it around. Would you like your clubs pro/1st XI top bat charging the 3rds spinner each ball and depositing it back over his head.
Does nothing for the batsmen. Bowler can't practice their line/length, destroys their confidence.
Either have 1st/2nd/3rd team nets, or respect each other's abilities.
Nets are for match practice. If you're weak against (Or scared) of the short ball, practice against the machine where you can be 90% certain where the ball will be as it zips past your nose.
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You lot would hate me. Im a keeper but in nets, i bowl seam. I get so fed up of watching an average top 6 batter plant the front foot and smash it. If they are a top 5 bat they should be able to play a short ball. So i vary my length and get edges regularly, which shows people are not using there feet. Noone at the club complains and regularly get thanked for keeping them honest. I then get more than my fair share in return. Wore one two weeks ago off our quickest guy and it was really tough to keep batting after but again i was pleased because i had got forward to early and it reminds you not to do it.
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Either have 1st/2nd/3rd team nets, or respect each other's abilities.
This is how I used to run my former clubs nets, most players were happy with it. The keen youngster who wanted to improve would every now and the ask to face the better bowlers.
I really like this thread, as this is what happened to me on Monday. I was toying with moving clubs again, and went a long to their nets, which were two lanes in a local school sports hall. After doing my spell of bowling it was my turn to bat. As always I stood out of my crease, first few balls were pitched up, which I firmly pushed back at them. After that all the first team bowlers decided that it was more fun to pepper the old man with short quick bowling, half the time the balls pitched before the mat on the stone floor. I play in the lowest level cricket in the UK, on pitches that don't bounce, and I am never going to face quick bowling, just old men like me bowling gentle away swing. In all fairness it was easy to avoid, but what good did it do me or them. If they bowled that short against batsmen in Div 1 or 2, they would be dispatched into the next field.
Just felt like a waste of my time and am I likely to go back to their nets next week?
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Being Indoor and the fact that most of the nuff bags overstep by up to a metre make short stuff harder to play in the nets, common sense should come into it.
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This is how I used to run my former clubs nets, most players were happy with it. The keen youngster who wanted to improve would every now and the ask to face the better bowlers.
I really like this thread, as this is what happened to me on Monday. I was toying with moving clubs again, and went a long to their nets, which were two lanes in a local school sports hall. After doing my spell of bowling it was my turn to bat. As always I stood out of my crease, first few balls were pitched up, which I firmly pushed back at them. After that all the first team bowlers decided that it was more fun to pepper the old man with short quick bowling, half the time the balls pitched before the mat on the stone floor. I play in the lowest level cricket in the UK, on pitches that don't bounce, and I am never going to face quick bowling, just old men like me bowling gentle away swing. In all fairness it was easy to avoid, but what good did it do me or them. If they bowled that short against batsmen in Div 1 or 2, they would be dispatched into the next field.
Just felt like a waste of my time and am I likely to go back to their nets next week?
Excellent post also why would you join a club whose players bowl at a prospective new player like that tells you a lot about Them
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I'm with Senior on this. Flip it around. Would you like your clubs pro/1st XI top bat charging the 3rds spinner each ball and depositing it back over his head.
Happens to me (as a 2nd XI part time spinner), I now make a point of attacking each and every one of the top 6/7 from both teams when in nets both indoor and outdoor. Which for me means lots of good-full length balls and lots of random changes of pace. They enjoy it more when i'm actually trying to bowl them out rather than just sticking any old thing down on a length. Makes them actually think about how to play sensible shots rather than just hoofing everything that comes down. I actually have a friendly rivalry with a couple of them.
I hate all the medium pacers bowling short at me indoors though, they're not able to do it outdoors so why bother? Most of the time I end up just sat on my back foot because I know what's coming. I don't mind the genuinely quick doing it as I know they can do it outdoors and to expect it from them in april anyway. It just really annoys me when the others do it just because the mat allows them to.
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When the ball is bouncing 2 feet over my head there is just no point...I enjoy telling the bowlers that. And you won't get that sort of bounce on our pitches, so why bother? I agree with the comments saying bat properly, bowl properly.
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As a batsman I'm forever getting moaned at for blocking and leaving in the nets, but as has been mentioned before you should bat in the nets like you would in a match, and my role in a match is the opener who sticks around and let's people play around me. My session is for me to sort out my judgement at the crease, and I feel like I have benefitted from that. If a bowler wants to bowl short ball after short ball in the nets then let them, they'll learn the hard way in the proper season when they carted about.
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As a batsman I'm forever getting moaned at for blocking and leaving in the nets, but as has been mentioned before you should bat in the nets like you would in a match, and my role in a match is the opener who sticks around and let's people play around me. My session is for me to sort out my judgement at the crease, and I feel like I have benefitted from that. If a bowler wants to bowl short ball after short ball in the nets then let them, they'll learn the hard way in the proper season when they carted about.
That's what i do as well open the batting the stroke makers play around me the problem is as a short left hander can't resist playing the bleedin
Hook shot.