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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: FattusCattus on February 20, 2017, 02:41:47 PM
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Just interested in batsmen's preferences as I tinker about with my bowling to make a quart out of a pint pot.
I am a lefty who bowls dribbly little in-duckers - on a good day, I can swing it a little bit and swing it late, but bowling around the wicket, I can't really move it away from the RH batsman and I;ve been denied a lot of (plumb!) LBWs!!!
My thinking is do I keep bowling round the wicket and hope to straighten the odd one, or do I try over the wicket, pitching on or just outside off to swing in and hit the stumps. If I bowl over the wicket, my 'straight-onner' will actually go away from the right hander with the angle, thus add a bit more variety.
My question to you batter types is what would you find trickier - left arm in-duckers from round the wicket or over the wicket (bearing in mind from over the wicket I would be able to get more deliveries to go away)?
Just intrigued as to what people might think would be more effective?
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From over the wicket is more difficult for me as you have the natural variation that will sometimes make the ball go straight on so you can't just plant
from round you can line up the arm easier and pick your shot earlier
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Dislike round the wicket in-duckers if pitched in line.
Absolute pain.
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I have to pitch mine about a foot outside off from round.
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Left arm over should be banned!
Your "swing it a little bit" bends like a banana! You'd be lethal going over the wicket with some going across and others coming back in
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left arm at any pace from over the wicket that comes back in is a nightmare
because if it looks outside off foot to the pitch and it's a free hit as the ball is going across you. Unless you have great balance your head(right hander) is going to go over to the offside, it's hard to avoid this
so the ball coming back in causes all sorts of issues.
however, once you know the ball is coming back in and it's sliding in straight to start with it's likely to carry on down leg-in which case it the easiest ball to hit in the book.
which begs the question, if you have the ball that ducks in and the ball the goes straight across you have hit the jackpot and are made of gold.
I think this is how Wasim got a lot of wickets-he def had both deliveries.....
and he was different class of course
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i will take left arm round any day of the week as it pretty much rules out LBW if you play it right.
whereas (as said above) left arm over gives you far more ways to get out - LBW if it pitches in line and straightens or even bowled through the gate! then caught behind if it goes straight on etc...
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I take Middle-and-off, so I'd always prefer you to bowl left arm round. When lefties come over I have to change my guard, which is annoying, and I have a tendency to step too far across, risking the pain of being bowled behind my legs - as happened at nets last week. Lesson learned, again!
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I was brought up on left arm over and love facing it. The better bowlers stay over the wicket pitch in line. Some straighten, some don't, if you bowl like that you will cause right handlers problems as they have to play at them all and increase the chance of LBW, caught behind and clean bowled as the batsman plays inside/outside the line.
Bowling round the wicket makes it easy for the batsman to use the angle to play through mid on/mid wicket for easy runs.
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Left arm over asks more questions if a batsman that left arm round where your chances of a caught behind or lbw are significantly reduced.
Also as a batsman, for left arm over you have to change from your normal stance and pick up a different line which is unnatural.
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Me, Me, Me!
I'll snick you off and have my off stump pegged back all day for you Bruce!
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Left arm over asks more questions if a batsman that left arm round where your chances of a caught behind or lbw are significantly reduced.
I'm more than capable of both from over or round the wicket... :-[
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As a left hand batter love left arm around bowlers have them for breakfast
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I generally agree with @roco (and almost everyone else for that matter) but I also think it depends on the particular batter, I've known lads who are great against all kinds of bowling but get in an extreme tangle trying to face left arm over as the can't bring themselves to open up their stance a little bit (or if they do it completely throws them off). Also if you're over the wicket you have both options available (on with the angle or moving back) therefore creating doubt in the batters mind, not many people could bowl left arm round and move it away from a rh batter so all the only question in the batters mind is how much it's going to come back in.
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As a left hand batter love left arm around bowlers have them for breakfast
Really? I thought you just had your vitamins!
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i think at the end of the day it is best to be able to have both up your sleeve as they are often useful in different circumstances.
For example our 1st XI opening bowler is a left armer and he always starts coming over swinging it in with variation of straight on'a for the slips there for a nick etc....
However he often comes back late in the game when the ball is knackered and not swinging and then he goes round the wicket bowling yorkers, slower balls, cutters etc... which are more effective over the wicket
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Really? I thought you just had your vitamins!
Vitamins first bowlers second
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I'm a Sugar-Puffs kind of guy!
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I love left arm over. Open up my stance and try to cover drive everything through mid off
Left arm round annoys me, cramps me up, although it's usually off Pad on to wicket as opposed to anything lbw I got out to.
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I find if I am getting cramp for room a change of guard helps
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You can make life a lot more difficult for most batsmen bowling over and mixing inswingers with ones that keep going straight across, so I'd always start that way and move to bowl around if you think you're better off there for a particular player.
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You can make life a lot more difficult for most batsmen bowling over and mixing inswingers with ones that keep going straight across, so I'd always start that way and move to bowl around if you think you're better off there for a particular player.
I think
Most left handers cope well with the ball going across them why because they are used to it
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No good asking me, as your bowling ties me up in all sorts of knots.:-)
Most batters are not expecting that late In Swing from a left hander
Left arm over all day, work on your line and length, then work on a slow ball.
Short run up, and bowl all day.
Bowling prize every season sorted
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Right - so the general consensus seems to be have a crack at left arm over then as more RH batsmen find it trickier.
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Over the wicket with the occasional handful of balls from round as variation.
Over the wickte, you keep both edge of the bat in play, which means you have a decent chance of getting wickets bowled, caught in the cordon, LBW. Round the wicket, you are really bowling to hit the stumps only.
Also, think about scoreboard pressure. If you are reliable with your line, you only need fielders through about 220 degrees over the wicket at no great pace - this means you can pack the field in key areas. Round the wicket, you need to cover more like 280 degrees.
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Very rare if ever that I would bowl around the wicket. You just get clipped through the legside too easily
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I'm with the majority Bruce, I find you hard enough to play at the best of times but always thought you should bowl over, you could get lbws for fun! Coming round, the angle is always be a bit against you. But being able to come round as a variation, especially if it's swinging less, will always be useful.
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If you can swing the ball back into a RH as a left hand over with a bit of pace you'll never be too far from the bowling trophy at the end of the year.
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generally talking, Left arm over to start to the right hander, especially early on. They will have a tendency to feel outside off for the ones that go straight on, and they will fall over or be trapped on the crease plumb in front. Having said that, if you find that a player is strong through the covers, your option is to swing it in to the pads to tight them up.
Me personally, batting wise, i like your round the wicket, i havn't struggled much with that as of yet. And i've been known in the past to dispatch left arm overs all through the leg side, especially v Eastbourne.. it was their captain, we were 103 for 8... he didnt like me driving him past mid on on more than on occasion!
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Both over and round have their merits.
Over - Can be seen as a more wicket taking option, esp if the ball is swinging. can beat both edges and keeps LBW in play.
Round - is more of a defensive option and bowling the correct line with the field set it can be difficult to get away as everything moving in towards a RH batter therefore cramping them up.
So personally it's on the role required and the batters being bowled too.
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I personally think your benders work better over the wicket Brucey.
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Personally love left arm over . Play full balls , always play for inswing , can bring bat inside line of ball if not bending back . Maybe because i bat with an open stance anyway . The worst for me would be left arm around , bowling big outswingers . That's horrible to face .
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Not many left arm clubbies that i've faced can bowl big outswingers from around the wicket
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Ive bowled slow Left arm round seamers, opening the bowling for 30 years.. key is to bowl a tight line but I get very late indrift. 14% of all my wickets have been LBW and would have been higher but for the frequent umpire comment.. " You'll never get LBWs bowling Left Arm round..." Even took to printing of play cricket stats to prove them wrong :-)
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Ive bowled slow Left arm round seamers, opening the bowling for 30 years.. key is to bowl a tight line but I get very late indrift. 14% of all my wickets have been LBW and would have been higher but for the frequent umpire comment.. " You'll never get LBWs bowling Left Arm round..." Even took to printing of play cricket stats to prove them wrong :-)
Poor umpiring @jamferg ;) Bowling left arm round induckers there's no way you'd be hitting the stumps if the hit the front pad in front. Would have to pitch and turn like a leg break to be hitting the stumps!
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Poor umpiring @jamferg ;) Bowling left arm round induckers there's no way you'd be hitting the stumps if the hit the front pad in front. Would have to pitch and turn like a leg break to be hitting the stumps!
I am left handed in our league when bowlers come around the wicket every time the ball hits the pads they go off like a bottle of fizzy pop no wonder the umpires ignore there appeals.
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Poor umpiring @jamferg ;) Bowling left arm round induckers there's no way you'd be hitting the stumps if the hit the front pad in front. Would have to pitch and turn like a leg break to be hitting the stumps!
yeah unless you are facing Wasim Akram it's not out
do we get given out left arm around in our league-yes of course we do!!!
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yeah unless you are facing Wasim Akram it's not out
do we get given out left arm around in our league-yes of course we do!!!
:)
Sorry I miss read the initial post. For some reason I read left arm round inswingers, not seamers.
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Right then - who wants a net? There's a new kind of bender in town!
I'd love to get my wood out for your benders....