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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: smilley792 on February 25, 2017, 05:52:24 PM
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Warm ups going well.
389 for 8 of 50.
Half centuries for Roy, root, morgan and stokes.
Billings only made 14 and with rumours hales is on his way to join them after hand recovery, is the poor lad gonna end up benched again?
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is the poor lad gonna end up benched again?
More than likely but i hope not
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Is being streamed if anyone's interested : http://Ustream.tv/channel/CrmDv2HjW8z (http://Ustream.tv/channel/CrmDv2HjW8z)
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The pro I brought over from Barbados got Stokes out well done lad
I know one of my bats will be used today!!!
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The pro I brought over from Barbados got Stokes out well done lad
I know one of my bats will be used today!!!
Just tweeted Aaron about that. Lol. Decent figures against England.
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Chris Woakes - some player that fella
https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/836322186755469313
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Rather have Hales than Billings who Is getting overhyped.
Did average in the BBL with nothing extraordinary.
Had one good innings of note in the PSL aswell.
Even when he had the match winning innings vs India A he was dropped multiple times too.
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Rather have Hales than Billings who Is getting overhyped.
Did average in the BBL with nothing extraordinary.
Had one good innings of note in the PSL aswell.
Even when he had the match winning innings vs India A he was dropped multiple times too.
You can't deny he has ability.. However I believe his position is no higher than 4 in T20 and 5 ( depending on match situation in 50 over cricket.
Think England are wasting/using him at top of the order, they are just hoping the gamble will pay off or waiting for someone to regain fitness.
England for me are trying to re-invent the wheel when picking one day teams. Root is not a T20 player and certain players are not rotating the strike quick enough when we have a plethora or talented batsmen to follow the top 4.
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Delighted to see Tom Curran get a call up, more browncaps the better
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Delighted to see Tom Curran get a call up, more browncaps the better
I was just about to comment on the Curran-t situation.
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Ah, delayed toss. Pitch looks a bit dangerous.
On another note it's so good to have Bumble back
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Not for the first time on this ground! Embarrassing stuff
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England batting. No Bairstow, Dawson or Hales.
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if that means Billings bats top 3 great.
let's give him a chance
I do think YJB will be in our one day side going forward as well, yes it's a tight fit to get everyone in but he's quality.
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Some lovely shots there from Roy
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Gabriel looks like he should be a heavyweight boxer not a rapid fast bowler...#shoulders
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if that means Billings bats top 3 great.
let's give him a chance
I do think YJB will be in our one day side going forward as well, yes it's a tight fit to get everyone in but he's quality.
Only way Bairstow gets a go is if Morgan is sacked and dropped. Hales will cone back in at the top when fit.
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Well, that couldn't have kept any lower
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This is a bit of a 'mare
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Poor batting by both Roy and Root. Staying back on low pitch to a geezer bowler missiles
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Gabriel Pace like Fyah :D
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Only way Bairstow gets a go is if Morgan is sacked and dropped. Hales will cone back in at the top when fit.
no that's not the only way at all. another way is Hales is dropped and Billings takes his place.
another way is Joe Root continues in one day cricket but dumps T20 and bowls a few overs of spin as well as bat. You could ask the question could Root do Ali or rashid's job in our strongest team. Will Ali or Rashid make any significant contribution with the bat?
Morgan will play in the ICC trophy, after that he might well make way for Root to do both jobs and not play T20 cricket.
so there's different way to skin the cat....Felix :)
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Root's 26, why'd he ditch t20 cricket? I don't see why Root(with a brittle back) should be forced to bowl more. His batting is far too important for him to be tasked with bowling some flithy off breaks. Bairstow might offer more than Ali with the bat but Ali's bowling gets him a gig. Unless Bairstow unveils some mean off breaks I don't see him displacing Ali
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Can't afford to keep on dropping chances
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Root's 26, why'd he ditch t20 cricket? I don't see why Root(with a brittle back) should be forced to bowl more. His batting is far too important for him to be tasked with bowling some flithy off breaks. Bairstow might offer more than Ali with the bat but Ali's bowling gets him a gig. Unless Bairstow unveils some mean off breaks I don't see him displacing Ali
Morgan said at the toss he as 3 spinners today one was Root
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Back on track but Slow progress from England
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Sam whips one down the fielders throat
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Morgan said at the toss he as 3 spinners today one was Root
Interesting...perhaps England are looking at the option.makes sense to at least give it a try.
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Super catch to dismiss Jos
Now it's Bens turn.
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I know butler can win a game single handed but when does bairstows consistancy outway that?
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@roco are you suggesting we take buttler out of side?
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Honestly not sure
I'm a big fan of butler but he is in the sewag mood where comes off 1 in 4 but that 1 in 4 wins you the game
But bairstow just seems to give you something every game
Too early to think of dropping him but I like consistency and the ninja has that
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I don't think he's inconsistent at all, he's not in the best form at the minute but I think when he's in nick he's a very consistent player and he can play any tempo you need him too as well
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YJB has to be in - but Buttler should stay as keeper. For the next few months we don't need six bowlers with two spinners, so drop Ali. Then it just becomes a toss up between Hales and Billings in one of these two lines ups:
Roy
Root
Bairstow
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Billings
Woakes
Rashid
Plunkett
Willey
or:
Hales
Roy
Root
Morgan
Bairstow
Buttler
Stokes
Woakes
Rashid
Plunkett
Willey
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Credit to Morgan here, very much the glue behind the innings, just grafting away
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Typical Yorkie trying shoehorn Bairstow in at the detriment of the side. There's no merit to shoehorning Bairstow in above either Buttler or Stokes. If he replaces Ali, Bairstow goes at 7.
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I'm still thinking they need to be getting up to 280 here
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God I love Stokes
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Having been quite critical of Morgan in recent months I am delighted to see this knock from skip, he's played some wonderful shots and a few of the delicate dinks we all came to love him for
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Maybe pressure of test captain in the side could spur him on?
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With the experience he's got (around 170 odi's I think?) I don't think he's going to worry too much about something like that
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Have fun chasing lads
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What a way to go for Morgan
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I really thought that was a class knock from Morgan - it didnt look like the easiest surface to bat on. Reigned himself in a couple of times when wickets fell but always had the big shot in his locker when the rate was dropping. Top effort from the senior batsman and skipper.
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Yep good total from us. Mores either gets runs or nowt. Think we take that every time cos a ton is a ton that can win a game.
Rooty is having a bowl hopefully Felix don't put the mockers on him and he goes off with a back injury
Just kidding Felix :)
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If Kieran Powell worked closely with Newbery to develop the Triumph, how come he's using a blank stick?
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#dropwoakes
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Having watched the windies bowl didn't think there was any urgency just going through the motions
Not impressed with the batting so far either poor shot selection from Lewis falling for the old 3 card trick
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Awful shot from Braithweight will the the windies get 100
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Woakes is bowling well thou. Everything looks in sync with his bowling action you can see why England see him as Anderson's long term replacement.
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Shai Hope is a great-looking player.
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Woakes is bowling well thou. Everything looks in sync with his bowling action you can see why England see him as Anderson's long term replacement.
He's got to go some to be as good as Jimmy
In this match the commentators are saying Plukett is Englands best bowler
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He's got to go some to be as good as Jimmy
In this match the commentators are saying Plukett is Englands best bowler
No...what I said was England will replace Jimmy with Woakes because he is the best of the rest, not that he is as good as Anderson.
Anderson is a once in a lifetime bowler, Bob Willis thinks he is our best ever bowler....that's some compliment from an old player.
I suppose you could have a good argument Anderson v Fred trueman if you wanted too, but that's probably for the bar after a few pints.
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No...what I said was England will replace Jimmy with Woakes because he is the best of the rest, not that he is as good as Anderson.
Anderson is a once in a lifetime bowler, Bob Willis thinks he is our best ever bowler....that's some compliment from an old player.
I suppose you could have a good argument Anderson v Fred trueman if you wanted too, but that's probably for the bar after a few pints.
Will they though I don't reckon he is has nailed on as some think there's others around inc one Mark Wood as for Jimmy v Fred having seen Fred bowl ( I saw the match as it happened when Fred became the first bowler to 300 test wickets ) I would say Fred was quicker and more accurate than Jimmy but Jimmy does more with the ball I would say they would be equal
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Will they though I don't reckon he is has nailed on as some think there's others around inc one Mark Wood as for Jimmy v Fred having seen Fred bowl I would say Fred was quicker and more accurate than Jimmy but Jimmy does more with the ball I would say they would be equal
It's a dead heat? Wow well there we go.
mark wood won't be able to play Five day cricket long term. I wish he would, but he won't. He's late 20's now and has injuries in the wrong places.
he's a thrilling bowler when fit as he can swing it at 90mph, can't think of any other English bowler that has done that.
Harmison......genuinely quick ...was straight up and down.
enjoy Wood while we can and all fans hope he is fit for 2017.
Broad and Anderson could well retire within a year of each other and that's when our problems start.
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It's a dead heat? Wow well there we go.
mark wood won't be able to play Five day cricket long term. I wish he would, but he won't. He's late 20's now and has injuries in the wrong places.
he's a thrilling bowler when fit as he can swing it at 90mph, can't think of any other English bowler that has done that.
Harmison......genuinely quick ...was straight up and down.
enjoy Wood while we can and all fans hope he is fit for 2017.
Broad and Anderson could well retire within a year of each other and that's when our problems start.
Anderson probably not so sure about broad if he stays fit and woakes will be around 30 maybe England should bring in a younger bowler from the lions.
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West Indies got a slim chance if these 2 stay in. Good effort. Different chase if Russell and pollard were to come.
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Top work by Finn
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All the football practice pays off
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@Alvaro because Tim is still making his bats maybe (just a guess) he's going to use tims stickers
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Chris woakes well done son.
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Chris woakes well done son.
Not really
The first 2 wickets the. batsman threw there wicket away with poor shots and the next two wickets the number 8 and 9 have an average of 13 and 4 respectively the stats won't show you that.
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Not really
The first 2 wickets the. batsman threw there wicket away with poor shots and the next two wickets the number 8 and 9 have an average of 13 and 4 respectively the stats won't show you that.
Haha are you for real? 2 top order wickets and 2 at the end, I would say that is a pretty good days work for a seam bowler in an ODI. All 3 seamers bowled well although I am starting to worry about Finns missing 10mph
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@LateBloomer as much as I'd love to see him do well I don't think Finn is England xi standard anymore I would have rather seen t.c given a game to see what he can do
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Not really
The first 2 wickets the. batsman threw there wicket away with poor shots and the next two wickets the number 8 and 9 have an average of 13 and 4 respectively the stats won't show you that.
He could get all 10 wickets and you would still think it was a rubbish spell!! Come on the bloke bowled well.
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@LateBloomer as much as I'd love to see him do well I don't think Finn is England xi standard anymore I would have rather seen t.c given a game to see what he can do
Yes it does seem that way which is a shame as he was capable of getting good players out, certainly in test cricket. I wouldnt write him off completely as hes not over the hill but he needs that extra pace back
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There's too many players in or around sniffing about to give him too much time to rediscover what he had
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Senior player you say the 2 top order batsman threw their wickets away. Ask yourself why do (most) batsman throw their wickets away? Its generally because the bowlers are building pressure through not giving any freebies.
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Senior player you say the 2 top order batsman threw their wickets away. Ask yourself why do (most) batsman throw their wickets away? Its generally because the bowlers are building pressure through not giving any freebies.
Because the format demands risk taking shots
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Senior player you say the 2 top order batsman threw their wickets away. Ask yourself why do (most) batsman throw their wickets away? Its generally because the bowlers are building pressure through not giving any freebies.
I reckon Chris Woakes's grandad gave senior player a wedgie and stole his lunch money.
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Funny to think Woakes has 9 4 wickets(2 are actually 6fers) yet I'm still amazed how he does it. Straight up and down brisk medium pace. No x factor. Only behind Broad(10), Gough(12) and Anderson(13). And he's not remotely in the class of those 3...
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There's too many players in or around sniffing about to give him too much time to rediscover what he had
That may be the case but the England selectors are quite loyal at the moment. I dont actually think England need him as much in ODI cricket as they do in Test match cricket going forward. Plenty of one day options for England but in Tests, with Mark Wood out we are lacking extra pace, and with an Ashes tour approaching that is a worry.
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Because the format demands risk taking shots
Of course it does, its limited overs cricket
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I don't think pace is particularly a worry we have plenty of people who can bowl early 90's it's just comparing them to someone like starc who can bowl nearly 100 mph deadly accurate Yorkers it makes our guys look like the u14's at your local club
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I don't think pace is particularly a worry we have plenty of people who can bowl early 90's it's just comparing them to someone like starc who can bowl nearly 100 mph deadly accurate Yorkers it makes our guys look like the u14's at your local club
Loads of people who can bowl 90mph?? Who is actually bowling consistently at 90mph and isn't made of glass??
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Test or one day? @RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie
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Cant think of that many English bowlers hitting 90mph regulary who are fit
Might be why england keep trying Finn because he can, or could.
woakes is quicker than most others we have now
Wood when fit is by far the fastest we have...when fit. Mills only bowls 4 over spells these days.
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I don't think pace is particularly a worry we have plenty of people who can bowl early 90's it's just comparing them to someone like starc who can bowl nearly 100 mph deadly accurate Yorkers it makes our guys look like the u14's at your local club
Im not sure we have, certainly not for the test side. Im not overly confident about the away Ashes series to be honest with you. Without any proper pace and a threatening spinner we are basically relying on Broad and Anderson to come good which hasnt always happened over there
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Cant think of that many English bowlers hitting 90mph regulary who are fit
Might be why england keep trying Finn because he can, or could.
woakes is quicker than most others we have now
Wood when fit is by far the fastest we have...when fit. Mills only bowls 4 over spells these days.
You are right about Woakes, regularly clocked high 80s, however I have a horrible feeling he will come onto the bat lovely on Australian wickets. I sincerely hope Im wrong, he has proved plenty of people wrong so far
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Test or one day? @RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie
take your pick.. I'm interested to see this list of bowlers England have who bowl consistently 90mph
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take your pick.. I'm interested to see this list of bowlers England have who bowl consistently 90mph
Tymal Mills
Mark Wood
Oh wait, you said NOT made if glass didn't you...
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Meaker can bowl quick spells but is less accurate than Finn most of the time!
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Because the format demands risk taking shots
No it doesn't
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@RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie
Meaker, Overton, mills, Jordan, Finn, broad, plunkett, stokes
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Woakes is good enough to continue in the side. Don't think he needs replacing in odi or tests. His stats are pretty decent and he will get better. Im not saying his as good as Anderson but Anderson took alot of time to become the bowler he is now.
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Anderson took alot of time to become the bowler he is now.
After they tried remodeling him, which fractured his back!
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Haha are you for real? 2 top order wickets and 2 at the end, I would say that is a pretty good days work for a seam bowler in an ODI. All 3 seamers bowled well although I am starting to worry about Finns missing 10mph
Having watched the match the 2 top order players Woakes got out looked very ordinary regardless who was bowling 2 poor shots to balls that they could have left but didn't and the 2 at the end well they were tailenders with an ave of 13 and 4 just throwing the bat as the game was all but lost.
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Woakes is good enough to continue in the side. Don't think he needs replacing in odi or tests. His stats are pretty decent and he will get better. Im not saying his as good as Anderson but Anderson took alot of time to become the bowler he is now.
Take this match as an example when you anallize what happened stats can be misleading also you could see why this average but with potential windes team are rated ninth in world ODI.
As for Anderson v Woakes comparision Jimmy was a far better bowler at the same age.
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You are right about Woakes, regularly clocked high 80s, however I have a horrible feeling he will come onto the bat lovely on Australian wickets. I sincerely hope Im wrong, he has proved plenty of people wrong so far
No he hasn't think India test matches winter 2017.
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Having watched the match the 2 top order players Woakes got out looked very ordinary regardless who was bowling 2 poor shots to balls that they could have left but didn't and the 2 at the end well they were tailenders with an ave of 13 and 4 just throwing the bat as the game was all but lost.
Brathwaite's wicket shouldn't count. He thought they said "Stokes" over the tannoy when Woakes came on so was trying to smoke it... #DropWoakes #HeOnlyTookFour
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As for Anderson v Woakes comparision Jimmy was a far better bowler at the same age.
I dont think anyone has suggested they are the same bowler but Woakes is certainly the best of the rest at the moment as far as England are concerned. Add his lower order batting and a tidy fielder and I think England have a useful cricketer for the next few years
You seem to have an unhealthy negative opinion of Woakes which is very very weird. I would say he's gonna be involved for the forseeable future so I'd get used to his face
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@RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie
Meaker, Overton, mills, Jordan, Finn, broad, plunkett, stokes
Mills the only bowler regularly in the 90s and he is T20 only. Meaker occasionally gets in the 90s but is a spray gun. The rest are mid/high 80s. I wish we had that many fast bowlers!!
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Having watched the match the 2 top order players Woakes got out looked very ordinary regardless who was bowling 2 poor shots to balls that they could have left but didn't and the 2 at the end well they were tailenders with an ave of 13 and 4 just throwing the bat as the game was all but lost.
I watched the match aswell. Its not Woakes fault the West Indies are currently poor. Maybe your anger should be towards the West Indies cricket board instead of an English bowler who beat what was put in front of him
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Mills the only bowler regularly in the 90s and he is T20 only. Meaker occasionally gets in the 90s but is a spray gun. The rest are mid/high 80s. I wish we had that many fast bowlers!!
Meaker is also made of glass
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@LateBloomer speaking about test matches only, even some of the quickest guys around who are capable of bowling 95 mph don't bowl consistently over 90 I think I read somewhere that Mitchell Johnson usually averaged about 86 in test matches over longer spells it's not really that important being able to bowl 6 balls in a row over 90 at the compromise of accuracy, think Shaun tait, there's a reason he's called the wild thing
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Did anyone see if they gave a reason for stokes not bowling? Had to turn off as soon as it finished
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@LateBloomer speaking about test matches only, even some of the quickest guys around who are capable of bowling 95 mph don't bowl consistently over 90 I think I read somewhere that Mitchell Johnson usually averaged about 86 in test matches over longer spells it's not really that important being able to bowl 6 balls in a row over 90 at the compromise of accuracy, think Shaun tait, there's a reason he's called the wild thing
You mentioned 90mph bowlers in county cricket not me. I think the simple answer is we do not have them.
Which comes back to my original point - why the selectors are persevering with Finn in the hope he regains that extra yard that has given the Aussies the hurry up on more than one occasion in the past
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Finn is pure glass... Has been since No ball gate and the odi series against NZ in '15
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I dont think anyone has suggested they are the same bowler but Woakes is certainly the best of the rest at the moment as far as England are concerned. Add his lower order batting and a tidy fielder and I think England have a useful cricketer for the next few years
You seem to have an unhealthy negative opinion of Woakes which is very very weird. I would say he's gonna be involved for the forseeable future so I'd get used to his face
Not negative unhealthy or weird called it as I saw it as for getting used to Woakes face I think we already are as unlike you on this forum he as been around awhile now
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I watched the match aswell. Its not Woakes fault the West Indies are currently poor. Maybe your anger should be towards the West Indies cricket board instead of an English bowler who beat what was put in front of him
This one as already been answered also your right it's not hard to get poor players out.
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Not negative unhealthy or weird called it as I saw it as for getting used to Woakes face I think we already are as unlike you on this forum he as been around awhile now
Ouch! Stuck the knife in because I have fewer posts than you. That hurts!
You must be correct, Woakes is rubbish and you are nowhere near borderline obsessive
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Ouch! Stuck the knife in because I have fewer posts than you. That hurts!
You must be correct, Woakes is rubbish and you are nowhere near borderline obsessive
Borderline obsessive or balanced opinion also
Rubbish is not a word i use to discribe a member of the national team
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And we're having a bowl
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Perfect.... club nets at 2 hopefully home in time for us batting feet up with a beer
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Ah, the glory of the the Watford Wall
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There goes all there hope ;).
Should be an early finish here
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Anyone else finding this rather dull?
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Well im finding tiny bits of a bat to oil and micro trimming some peeling on old stickers, then its a bit sandpaper and grip adjustment
So yes
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Im actually finding this game more like the cricket I play on a Saturday and so interesting to watch.
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Ho Ben how did you miss that time to get that finger looked at here's hoping it's okay.
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Well bowled Mo turn and bounce.
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Windes mat not bat there 50 overs here
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Windes mat not bat there 50 overs here
Second rate windies side you mean.
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Great work there from JRoy
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England's out fielders were excellent
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DRS is so pointless without snicko at the very least, FWIW it sounded like Roy had knicked off.
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JRoy taking advantage of what i thought was a nick. Some of the best straight drives ive witnessed
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DRS is so pointless without snicko at the very least, FWIW it sounded like Roy had knicked off.
Why isn't snicko and hot spot being used
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Nice looking grade 1 bat he has too.
He's good enough to use it thou :)
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Why isn't snicko and hot spot being used
Down to the home broadcaster to pay for the technology
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Tipical England bat second and pace yourself here's hoping Stokes can liven things up.
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Save us lord woakes
#dropwoakes
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This could get embarrassing
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We're just trying to make sure the last game means something
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All Woakes needs to do is hang on in there with Joe push the singles and let joe take England over the line.
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Isn't Chris Woakes great?
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Under-rated in my opinion.
He's a bit old fashioned in that he's not an obvious star, I guess he does not have the personality of some of the other players.
Quite possibly the most improved England player ever since I've been watching England(1981 !!)
I really really don't understand why every one (on here) don't see the same player I see :)
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@ppccopener hu hem!
What have I been saying for the last 2 years!
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Pity windes lost there strike bowler they might have made a game of it you also you rarely win at this level when you have to use part time bowlers.
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Woakes is rubbish eh
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Top batting Woakesy
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Under-rated in my opinion.
He's a bit old fashioned in that he's not an obvious star, I guess he does not have the personality of some of the other players.
Quite possibly the most improved England player ever since I've been watching England(1981 !!)
I really really don't understand why every one (on here) don't see the same player I see :)
I don't think playing against this windes team is a test for any of the England players or tells you anything its just to easy.
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I don't think playing against this windes team is a test for any of the England players or tells you anything its just to easy.
middle order must not have got the memo.
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I don't think playing against this windes team is a test for any of the England players or tells you anything its just to easy.
Well as call the midwife is on the telly(we only have one television in the place ) I'm listening on BBC.
They have Woakes as man of the match.
If sky coverage is a few seconds behind Woakes has just laced one thru cover for four.
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I don't think playing against this windes team is a test for any of the England players or tells you anything its just to easy.
I agree 100%.
In fact, by scoring all these runs he's denied Root a century which would have given the new test captain a massive boost in confidence. Woakes needs to be dropped for this performance.
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I know why we are over there but my over riding feeling whilst I have been watching the 2 ODI's is that it would have been so much better/what would happen if we were playing a proper WI side containing the below -
Gayle
Both Bravo's
Russell
Pollard
Narine
Simmons
Rampaul
Benn
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Well as call the midwife is on the telly(we only have one television in the place ) I'm listening on BBC.
They have Woakes as man of the match.
If sky coverage is a few seconds behind Woakes has just laced one thru cover for four.
It was a gorgeous cover drive, pure class.
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I'm gonna go with the theme I have gone with all along Chris Woakes is very important player for England and bar the odd dynamic innings and bowling he is as good as Stokes..
They compliment each other one is consistent the other a match winner any given day.
And I do not care who we are playing he come in and played well
his ability has always beenthere he has moved his game a notch or two in the last 18 months , even the commentators are seeing it big time he also England quickest bowler....
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Absolutely livid with woakes here! Can't believe he's scored so many and not let foot get to three figures! Must be dropped immediately!!
(Please note massive sarcasm)
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I agree 100%.
In fact, by scoring all these runs he's denied Root a century which would have given the new test captain a massive boost in confidence. Woakes needs to be dropped for this performance.
It's not hard to score runs against a poor bowling attack losing Gabriel When they did was a game changer
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Poor from the sub-standard Woakes. Sacked in the morning
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It's not hard to score runs against a poor bowling attack losing Gabriel was a game changer
he should walk off and just not bother like the England middle order but I'm not going to rise.
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It's not hard to score runs against a poor bowling attack losing Gabriel was a game changer
Looking at the scorecard, Sam Billings and Jos Butler would disagree...
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Looking at the scorecard, Sam Billings and Jos Butler would disagree...
Exactly different game losing Gabriel
Also unless there's a vast improvement can't see this windes side getting a top 8 world cup qualification.
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Didn't Bishoo get Butler out, after Gabriel had left with his injury 🤔
#Blinkers
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Didn't Bishoo get Butler out, after Gabriel had left with his injury 🤔
#Blinkers
Looking at the middle order who failed to get runs...
Morgan - lbw - b Nurse - 7 (14)
Stokes - c Hope - b Bishoo - 1 (5)
Butler - c Hope - b Bishoo - 0 (7)
Moeen - b Nurse - 3 (5)
Different game after Gabriel was injured...
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Butler dropped and Woakes for Prime Minister
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It's not hard to score runs against a poor bowling attack losing Gabriel When they did was a game changer
Your comments against Woakes make you look like a clown. He's out bowled and out batted Stokes but don't hear you calling for him to be dropped.
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Agree, there must be something funny in his Ovaltine.
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It's not hard to score runs against a poor bowling attack losing Gabriel When they did was a game changer
Do you also dislike Bell, Trott, Willis, G Jones and Knight?
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There isn't any planet where Woakes is anyway comparable to Stokes. Stokes is the big match player as his record suggests. Test hundreds in Australia, South Africa and India. A 5fer in Australia, a 5fe in India.
Whereas Woakes is the man to bully the also rans like Sri Lanka and West Indies.
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Your comments against Woakes make you look like a clown. He's out bowled and out batted Stokes but don't hear you calling for him to be dropped.
If you want to lower the thread to insults here goes
If there's a clown on this thread it's you for comparing stokes to Woakes Take a look at Stokes record away from the UK and in any case he didn't out bowl stokes.
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Looking at the middle order who failed to get runs...
Morgan - lbw - b Nurse - 7 (14)
Stokes - c Hope - b Bishoo - 1 (5)
Butler - c Hope - b Bishoo - 0 (7)
Moeen - b Nurse - 3 (5)
Different game after Gabriel was injured...
they were out before Gabriel was injured
Windes lost there strike bowler as he was due to bowl his next spell they at that point in with in with a chance of winning for me it a game changer as it benefited Woakes and Root as all the windes had as backup bowlers were part time spinners
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Do you also dislike Bell, Trott, Willis, G Jones and Knight?
No Dave like yourself i am a warks fan but believe you should call it as you see it.
Bob Willis bowling the Aussies out on dodgy knees in Bothams ashes proper test match cricketer
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There isn't any planet where Woakes is anyway comparable to Stokes. Stokes is the big match player as his record suggests. Test hundreds in Australia, South Africa and India. A 5fer in Australia, a 5fe in India.
Whereas Woakes is the man to bully the also rans like Sri Lanka and West Indies.
and that's the difference quality players can do it against top opposition in there own backyard.
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they were out before Gabriel was injured
Windes lost there strike bowler as he was due to bowl his next spell they at that point in with in with a chance of winning for me it a game changer as it benefited Woakes and Root as all the windes had as backup bowlers were part time spinners
Really? The impression I got from watching Sky was that he limped off after his three overs, and was sat in his training kit watching the spinners wreak havoc.
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Really? The impression I got from watching Sky was that he limped off after his three overs, and was sat in his training kit watching the spinners wreak havoc.
It must have been hard to see the TV through those blinkers.
If in doubt, make it up!
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Really? The impression I got from watching Sky was that he limped off after his three overs, and was sat in his training kit watching the spinners wreak havoc.
That's right with a towel over his head couldn't bowl his second spell at a crucial time in the match.
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Anyway roll on the 3rd IDO on Thursday don't think i can watch another 6 hours of the windies though.
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they were out before Gabriel was injured
Windes lost there strike bowler as he was due to bowl his next spell they at that point in with in with a chance of winning for me it a game changer as it benefited Woakes and Root as all the windes had as backup bowlers were part time spinners
So not what you said here then?
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I can watch the match, if I can get hold of the TV control :)
but I cannot read thru 6 hours of comments on here
back to the vaping thread and let's hope there's no mention of Chris Woakes in there.
I hope he get a double ton and takes 12 wickets in the next match
:)
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If you want to lower the thread to insults here goes
If there's a clown on this thread it's you for comparing stokes to Woakes Take a look at Stokes record away from the UK and in any case he didn't out bowl stokes.
Your carry on with your ridiculous views of Woakes, he has batted and bowled really well in the 2 games played and that cannot be denied. I have never said he's better than Stokes just that he's out performed him this series.
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Your carry on with your ridiculous views of Woakes, he has batted and bowled really well in the 2 games played and that cannot be denied. I have never said he's better than Stokes just that he's out performed him this series.
Jeez thats a bit harsh on Stokes " this series" has only consisted of 2 games..
Don't really understand the comparison myself. As it currently stands Stokesy is a better batsman and fielder by a loooonnnggg way.
Woakes bowling has come on tremendously in the last 12 months however IMHO stokes is a under used bowler in English conditions. ;)
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Jeez thats a bit harsh on Stokes " this series" has only consisted of 2 games..
Don't really understand the comparison myself. As it currently stands Stokesy is a better batsman and fielder by a loooonnnggg way.
Woakes bowling has come on tremendously in the last 12 months however IMHO stokes is a under used bowler in English conditions. ;)
Quite agree that Stokes is the better player in all aspects, never denied it. I just don't understand the hatred of Woakes by a certain person when he's always done a good job for England
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I think we're very lucky to have both of them, and they are in the team on merit.
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I can watch the match, if I can get hold of the TV control :)
but I cannot read thru 6 hours of comments on here
back to the vaping thread and let's hope there's no mention of Chris Woakes in there.
I hope he get a double ton and takes 12 wickets in the next match
:)
Well if we believe what some write on here it could happen
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I think we're very lucky to have both of them, and they are in the team on merit.
This man knows.
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Quite agree that Stokes is the better player in all aspects, never denied it. I just don't understand the hatred of Woakes by a certain person when he's always done a good job for England
I understand the negative comments on Woakes (based on performances when he 1st became an England player) but for me he is one of the most improved cricketers in international cricket.
Currently he deserves his place, although him playing in all 3 formats is for me the wrong thing.
He has a great chance of replacing Jimmy as the main swing bowler and along side his batting he could become a genuine all rounder however to pro long his career and to give him more time to develop his bowling skills I would keep him OUT of white ball cricket.
We have players like the Curran's, Billings, Livingstone, Wood, Duckett, Westley etc who could replace him in the one day format in one way or another...
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Good to see Woakes starting to contribute more consistently with the bat in ODIs, we all know about his bowling but I think he's a hugely underrated batsman - rock solid technique and as composed at the crease as anyone in the England side. Most wouldn't think of him as a big hitter but got the big shots, hopefully he keeps finishing off these games when the middle order fails - No. 8 is such an important position in limited overs cricket.
Just because apparently it's impossible to have a post without mentioning them both at the moment, Ben Stokes is also very good at cricket.
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Quite agree that Stokes is the better player in all aspects, never denied it. I just don't understand the hatred of Woakes by a certain person when he's always done a good job for England
Your over the top with your hatred comment don't hate anyone but wonder about others who have the word in there volcabulary and your wrong again with your he's always done a good job comment .
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Woakes has vastly improved in the last 12-18 months from being just a county level plodder to actually showing international level class. Fair play to the lad.
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Your over the top with your hatred comment don't hate anyone but wonder about others who have the word in there volcabulary and your wrong again with your he's always done a good job comment .
It's very much how you come across, fair enough if you don't.
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I understand the negative comments on Woakes (based on performances when he 1st became an England player) but for me he is one of the most improved cricketers in international cricket.
Currently he deserves his place, although him playing in all 3 formats is for me the wrong thing.
Woakes has done the things which you would hope all international players would do (save those in the indisputable genius class) - he has had a taste, evaluated what he needed to do to fit in at the tp level, gone back to county cricket and worked like hell to get there.
Version 1 was talented, but his batting showed a real weakness when the ball was short and his bowling had craft but not enough grunt to earn respect.
Version 2 has tightened up the technique so that he will always be a decent bet to score useful runs - not in the true all rounder class like a Kallis/Botham/Khan but certainly in the useful second string class alongside Hadlee, Pollock and Warne - and he has done the hard miles in the gym so that batsmen cannot take liberties with him anymore.
Is he a rock solid certainty in all formats? For me, only in ODIs - in Tests, our optimal seam attack would be Anderson, Broad, Wood, Stokes and in T20 Willey, Mills and Wood might usurp him. But he is definitely a 50+ test player come the end. He is also testament to the benefits of self improvement.
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Agree with all of the above Do think though for tests once Anderson and Broad retire and if Wood keeps breaking down England will have a seam bowling problem.
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Where has Woakes' improvement been on display? His only noteworthy Test appearances where gimme wickets against Sri Lanka and Pakistan on raging green tops. Against stronger opposition Woakes is still the same buffet bowler
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Where has Woakes' improvement been on display?
Compare him to the bowler he was against australia in 2013. Completely different bowler!
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Compare him to the bowler he was against australia in 2013. Completely different bowler!
Don't think he's a completely different bowler just a bit quicker
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Where has Woakes' improvement been on display? His only noteworthy Test appearances where gimme wickets against Sri Lanka and Pakistan on raging green tops. Against stronger opposition Woakes is still the same buffet bowler
What tends to happen is a player as a couple of decent games against poor opposition and there failures against guality teams tend to become a distant memory
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Hales back in as expected.
Looking at that XI you take out Finn for Willey and that's probably our Champions Trophy side
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Roy out.
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Hales back in as expected.
Looking at that XI you take out Finn for Willey and that's probably our Champions Trophy side
Finn's a million miles better than one spell bowler Willey
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Finn's a million miles better than one spell bowler Willey
cant believe it felix the cat some of the stuff you post is a bit toilet to be honest....
but hundred per cent agree with you here
must be the sunshine coming out :)
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cant believe it felix the cat some of the stuff you post is a bit toilet to be honest....
but hundred per cent agree with you here
must be the sunshine coming out :)
Sun's out, ciders going down :D
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This Joseph kid looks a decent prospect...waiting for the T20 circus to steal him...
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Finn's a million miles better than one spell bowler Willey
I think Willey's main issue is, as you alluded to, he's nowhere near as effective without the new ball, you really need to try and get all the overs he's going to bowl in the match in within the first 20 overs, which isn't ideal.
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I think Willey's main issue is, as you alluded to, he's nowhere near as effective without the new ball, you really need to try and get all the overs he's going to bowl in the match in within the first 20 overs, which isn't ideal.
Whereas Finn's equally capable of spraying it everywhere with new or old ball ;)
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Whereas Finn's equally capable of spraying it everywhere with new or old ball ;)
I never even mentioned Finn, that was Felix ;)
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i am only listening to TMS but it sounds a bit tricky - Root dropped twice already.
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Finn the third fastest Englishman to 100 ODI wickets. 100 at 29 with 2 5fers and a hat trick. #yourewelcome
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Finn the third fastest Englishman to 100 ODI wickets. 100 at 29 with 2 5fers and a hat trick. #yourewelcome
And that's the problem his set the bar high
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Who doesn't cover a concrete surface directly by a boundary rope?
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At risk of jinxing him (and of stating the obvious!), Joe Root is something else isn't he, looks all at sea early doors today then all of a sudden he's got 30 runs without seeming to do a lot.
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Just seen that Sky have an interview with Brathwaite during the 3rd ODI where he'll talk a bit about Trident (And hopefully tell us a bit more about his bats)
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Just seen that Sky have an interview with Brathwaite during the 3rd ODI where he'll talk a bit about Trident (And hopefully tell us a bit more about his bats)
Coming soon to Newsnight: Corbyn debates with Brathwaite - 'nobody should have weapons that powerful'
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Coming soon to Newsnight: Corbyn debates with Brathwaite - 'nobody should have weapons that powerful'
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH :D
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Who doesn't cover a concrete surface directly by a boundary rope?
Lewis May have injured or broken his wrist gone to hospital for x- Ray.
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Hales out to prove a point here
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I don't think his place in the side was ever in doubt, been a great knock so far.
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Hales out to prove a point here
That he's recovered from injury??
It's not like he was dropped based on from. He averaged 60 plus in 2016(despite people on here calling for his place.......)
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Ah, top edging for 6, great way to ton up...
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Hales out for 110
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Buttler in first ball BOOM
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Damn it...wait to watch the son of the West Country bat and he doesn't get many...
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lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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Damn it...wait to watch the son of the West Country bat and he doesn't get many...
No need to play that scoop shot Jos The ball was full and straight
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No need to play that scoop shot Jos The ball was full and straight
After the 70 odd in the Test in India, it's going all a bit Pete Tong for Jos...
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No need to play that scoop shot Jos The ball was full and straight
umm, that's exactly the ball to play it too!
he was just there to quickly as Holder is sllooooowww
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really don't like the goon Hales
but......you cant argue with that hundred. no games, comes back in and gets a ton.
that's very very good going indeed
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Think Jos should have given himself a couple of overs to get in! He was gifted a free hit which he spanked. So there was no scoring pressure on him.
Buttler needs to look at how Morgan plays - he will take his time and be on 15 off 20/30 balls getting himself in. Then as soon as he feels more comfortable, he goes ape and starts swatting it to all parts!
Morgan catches up on the run rate and if Buttler did the same, he is capable of being one of the most destructive batsman England has ever produced!
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ROOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
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Batted Joseph.
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I love Joe Root
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Root remembers how to convert to a ton! ...and then gets out, collapse is on.
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Root remembers how to convert to a ton! ...and then gets out, collapse is on.
You're forgetting about our Lord and Saviour Christopher Roger Woakes.
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You're forgetting about our Lord and Saviour Christopher Roger Woakes.
Oh no concerns there, so long as someone can stay with him! And as I type, time for the saviour to enter.
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root is good no doubt about that.
Chris is on for a hat trick of MOM's thou
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Ali out bet the windies are. Wishing they had held those Hales and Root catches.
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Woakes should have knocked the ball around for ones and let Stokes do the scoring look an ugly shot to get out good job for England Rasid and Plukett can bat
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Woakes should have knocked the ball around for ones and let Stokes do the scoring look liked a tennis shot to get out good job for England Rasid and Plukett can bat
Take off the blinkers!!
Every game no matter what he does or doesn't do you have to have a dig. For everyone else's sake move on. Your seriously boring.
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I had 17.00 - 17.15 in the sweepstake today, kerching! ;)
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Still a very good score, can't help but feel if we hadn't collapsed like we did then 350+ could have been done
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Well, that's the score, I hope it forces our bowlers to bowl well.
It would be nice to see really impressive performances from Ali and Rash.
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Brilliant interview with braithwaith! It's a shame he didn't stay on the forum long
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Take off the blinkers!!
Every game no matter what he does or doesn't do you have to have a dig. For everyone else's sake move on. Your seriously boring.
Not a dig an observation might be be boring to you Chris but your not exactly mr popular on here either
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Nearly right but Don't agree with the No pace one
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Nearly right but Don't agree with the No pace one
Ha you've definitely said lack of pace before, don't worry! ;)
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Not a dig an observation might be be boring to you Chris but your not exactly mr popular on here either
Not doubting the latter. But I can cope with it.
As for observations, it'd be fine if you made consistent observations of other players to. But you never do. Just woakes every game.
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This cricket lark is great
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Woakes should have knocked the ball around for ones and let Stokes do the scoring look an ugly shot to get out good job for England Rasid and Plukett can bat
Here we go again!!!
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Men against boys here
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Yep to many soft dismissals
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Chris Woakes proving yet again he doesn't deserve to be in the team ey @Seniorplayer ;)
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Chris Woakes proving yet again he doesn't deserve to be in the team ey @Seniorplayer ;)
Adam Reckon The Worcester clubs could put out a team and beat this windes side
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Not a bad holiday for the England lads
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Roll on June the 1st and UK green tops.
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Oh dear woakes is man of the series
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Woakes' level is against the likes of WI, SL and PAK. Goes missing against the big boys
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Roll on June the 1st and UK green tops.
I can't wait to see Woakes and Jimmy all over the South Africans on doctored green tops!
Any news on Mark Wood's fitness? Would love to see him back playing for England this summer
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Oh dear woakes is man of the series
Superb!! :)
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I can't wait to see Woakes and Jimmy all over the South Africans on doctored green tops!
Any news on Mark Wood's fitness? Would love to see him back playing for England this summer
Green tops in June? The sun not going to be making an appearance? Not proper cider weather without the sun around :(
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Green tops in June? The sun not going to be making an appearance? Not proper cider weather without the sun around :(
What is this sun you speak of?
I've heard you're have to leave England to properly experience it
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What is this sub you speak of?
I've heard you're have to leave England to properly experience it
Come down to Somerset, it's lovely :D
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Come down to Somerset, it's lovely :D
You gone Kolpak aswell Ger?
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I can't wait to see Woakes and Jimmy all over the South Africans on doctored green tops!
Any news on Mark Wood's fitness? Would love to see him back playing for England this summer
The first real test for England will be NZ on the 6th of June followed by Australia.
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Won't be a green top given the ICC prepares the pitches for the champions trophy
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Won't be a green top given the ICC prepares the pitches for the champions trophy
Can the ICC stop it raining n June.
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Can the ICC stop it raining n June.
Managed to prepare a spinning dry track in the last champions trophy even with the rain
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I can't wait to see Woakes and Jimmy all over the South Africans on doctored green tops!
Any news on Mark Wood's fitness? Would love to see him back playing for England this summer
Wood is 'fit' and playing for Team North in the North v South game soon! Hopefully get through that unscathed.
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Wood is 'fit' and playing for Team North in the North v South game soon! Hopefully get through that unscathed.
Fingers crossed
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Given sky haven't mentioned it at all I assume there's going to be no television coverage of the North v South series?
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Given sky haven't mentioned it at all I assume there's going to be no television coverage of the North v South series?
Google search seems to suggest it will be televised
"Preview followed by live coverage of the March 19th 2017 cricket match between North and South"
http://www.skysports.com/live-scores/cricket/north-v-south/18525 (http://www.skysports.com/live-scores/cricket/north-v-south/18525)
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it's in England on the 19th march?
god hope it's not oop north Wood wont get his muslces warm enough :)
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In Dubai as far as I'm aware mate
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it's in England on the 19th march?
god hope it's not oop north Wood wont get his muslces warm enough :)
Can you imagine it
"You've won the toss, what are you going to do?"
"We're having a bat Nas, the wicket looks firm so should come into the bat nicely. It may start to act up a bit 2nd innings once it's de-frosted!"
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Can you imagine it
"You've won the toss, what are you going to do?"
"We're having a bat Nas, the wicket looks firm so should come into the bat nicely. It may start to act up a bit 2nd innings once it's de-frosted!"
that is funny !!!
woakes aint gonna be moving it much on a frosty!! the legend.
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You mean to say woakes hasn't been putting in the hard yards to become a world class sub zero ice cricketer?
Drop him.
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Google search seems to suggest it will be televised
"Preview followed by live coverage of the March 19th 2017 cricket match between North and South"
[url]http://www.skysports.com/live-scores/cricket/north-v-south/18525[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/live-scores/cricket/north-v-south/18525[/url])
Doesn't particularly mean live video coverage. Looking through Sky Sports' what's on planner none of the matches are scheduled for showing.
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I asked ECB on twitter who confirmed no live coverage. Streaming it on YouTube would've been a good idea, get it out to those without Sky.
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Anyone got the full squads again? its been that long since it was annouced.
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Woakes makes it into the top 10 ODI bowlers' ranking for the first time, charting at 9. Also no.8 on the allrounders list.
Get your bingo cards ready...
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Squads for North v South series, March 2017
North squad: Keaton Jennings (Durham, capt), Ben Duckett (Northamptonshire*), Sam Hain (Warwickshire), Joe Clarke (Worcestershire), Liam Livingstone (Lancashire), Jack Leaning (Yorkshire), Tim Bresnan (Yorkshire*), Josh Poysden (Warwickshire), Graeme White (Northamptonshire*), Mark Wood (Durham), Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire), Richard Gleeson (Northamptonshire), Harry Gurney (Nottinghamshire*)
South squad: James Vince (Hampshire, capt), Daniel Bell-Drummond (Kent), Tom Alsop (Hampshire), Dawid Malan (Middlesex), Sam Northeast (Kent), Liam Dawson (Hampshire*), Ben Foakes (Surrey), Tom Curran (Surrey), Lewis Gregory (Somerset*), Tim Groenewald (Somerset*), Matt Coles (Kent*), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Mason Crane (Hampshire)
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Woakes makes it into the top 10 ODI bowlers' ranking for the first time, charting at 9. Also no.8 on the allrounders list.
Get your bingo cards ready...
Will he still be there by the end of the UK summer though with all the advantages That comes with it.
The visiting weaken SA team should still be more of a test for England than what we have witnessed in the last 18 months India apart that is where certain players were proven to be not good enough.
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Will he still be there by the end of the UK summer though with all the advantages That comes with it.
The visiting weaken SA team should still be more of a test for England than what we have witnessed in the last 18 months India apart that is where certain players were proven to be not good enough.
he will still be there because he is a high class cricketer and it's about time he got some credit.
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he will still be there because he is a high class cricketer and it's about time he got some credit.
Does that hiigh class Incude India in India like others in the England teams before they are called high class Theres still a lot to prove against top national sides in there own backyard.
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Does that hiigh class Incude India in India like others in the England teams before they are called high class Theres still a lot to prove against top national sides in there own backyard.
and we all say virat is top class and he has yet to prove himself in england... does that mean hes not top class? by your logic it does and i highly doubt that anyone will disagree that kohli is top class.....
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Does that hiigh class Incude India in India like others in the England teams before they are called high class Theres still a lot to prove against top national sides in there own backyard.
we cant play India every week there's other national teams around the world. India away is about as hard as it gets.. as everyone else has found out. 1-1 in the aussie v india series would you back against India winning that series now?
your view is your view, respect that totally, but you are so wrong on Woakes it's scary.
If Woakes does not have a major role for us in the next 5 years test and one dayers, and takes over from jimmy i'll eat my bat
and i'll eat yours too. :)
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we cant play India every week there's other national teams around the world. India away is about as hard as it gets.. as everyone else has found out. 1-1 in the aussie v india series would you back against India winning that series now?
your view is your view, respect that totally, but you are so wrong on Woakes it's scary.
If Woakes does not have a major role for us in the next 5 years test and one dayers, and takes over from jimmy i'll eat my bat
and i'll eat yours too. :)
Time will tell chris will be 35 in 5 years heard it all on here though high class world class England's saviour the next Botham shouldnt really mention Botham had around 250 test wickets mainly against top sides at the same age but there you go.
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Time will tell chris will be 35 in 5 years heard it all on here though high class world class England's saviour the next Botham shouldnt really mention Botham had around 250 test wickets mainly against top sides at the same age but there you go.
please please please please and please again.......copy and paste who compared Woakes to Botham.............
ive never seen hide nor hare of that comparison on this forum.
I stand to be corrected....post it so we can read it ... .
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please please please please and please again.......copy and paste who compared Woakes to Botham.............
ive never seen hide nor hare of that comparison on this forum.
I stand to be corrected....post it so we can read it ... .
Stokes is by far the best we have and maybe already as good as Flintoff was, maybe could be as good as Botham.
Woakes is not in that category, but I would still have him in the side pretty much one of the first names. IMHO. :)
:D :D :D
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Does that hiigh class Incude India in India like others in the England teams before they are called high class Theres still a lot to prove against top national sides in there own backyard.
So many failed in India, why are you not critical of them?? You viewpoint is yours and that is fine, but please have some balance to it.
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So many failed in India, why are you not critical of them?? You viewpoint is yours and that is fine, but please have some balance to it.
Already done so in the eng v India thread
Would also agree the England selectors aren't snowed under with young fast bowlers
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:D :D :D
Technically that's comparing stokes to beefy not woakes to beefy
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Technically that's comparing stokes to beefy not woakes to beefy
Or as already done in this thread comparing Woakes to Stokes