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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: Calzehbhoy on May 07, 2017, 11:54:42 AM
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Been really watching the England team batting on sky today and have noticed all of them seem to almost Have a baseball stance around the point of bowling release.
Is this a new school of thought as didn't those on the know suggest Bairstow would never score big runs like that? What's the theory behind it?
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Been really watching the England team batting on sky today and have noticed all of them seem to almost Have a baseball stance around the point of bowling release.
Is this a new school of thought as didn't those on the know suggest Bairstow would never score big runs like that? What's the theory behind it?
Power hitting
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Bat speed
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Personally I hate the wide stance approach but I have seen it used very effectively.
Pietersen was an early adopter.
These days it is unusual to see a more traditional stance.
As said above it is used so batsman are in position to smash the ball.
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Also stopping bairstow used to fall over and get out lbw. Since his new stance he has eliminated falling across
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I have started doing this for the first time. I've been playing over 20 years and have played two games with new technique 102 and 51. It might be new bat it might be I've dropped down standard a little bit but I'm definitely much more comfortable with bat up technique. I've also coupled it with Palmer open/pointing down wicket stance. Wish I had tried these things years ago. However it is only two games and I will update again half way through season.
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Also stopping bairstow used to fall over and get out lbw. Since his new stance he has eliminated falling across
I've been struggling with this so far this season.
Any videos on the JB style stance available or explanation?
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Personally I hate the wide stance approach but I have seen it used very effectively.
Pietersen was an early adopter.
These days it is unusual to see a more traditional stance.
As said above it is used so batsman are in position to smash the ball.
Pietersen was also 6 foot 4 inches tall and could comfortably crouch down to lower his line of sight. This crouching also gave him a longer reach to drive likes of Dale Steyn's (outswinger) to covers with ease; or, maybe it was just his height that gave him that unusual reach.
Wider stance may not work for short players and club players. I have experimented with it and it left no room for my foot movement. Standing with feet slightly-narrower-than-shoulder-width-apart gives me the right level of comfort, mobility, and base to power my shots. Any things wider, and I find myself reaching for the ball.
As for pros, I don't think those wider stances would work very well in Test cricket. My two cents.
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I have started doing this for the first time. I've been playing over 20 years and have played two games with new technique 102 and 51. It might be new bat it might be I've dropped down standard a little bit but I'm definitely much more comfortable with bat up technique. I've also coupled it with Palmer open/pointing down wicket stance. Wish I had tried these things years ago. However it is only two games and I will update again half way through season.
I am a big fan of Palmer technique as it changed my game and results. I think your scores are the result of the Palmer technique than the wide stance. :)
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Any links to this palmer thing as not heard of it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4jSxExtPkM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4jSxExtPkM)
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Cheers interesting vid
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Been trying to do this to avoid falling over and getting lbw.
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Stone good tips here, I scored 200 preseason, and 30 in 4 league games, all bowled, playing a defensive shot each time! I have opened my stands at nets and it felt a bit better, and got 44 Sunday.
I have changed it as My front foot wasn't moving across and i thought i was playing in line, now i know i have to get my front foot moving across. After 6 overs it felt normal.
Might have to get Buzz's batting book back out.
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Been working on this open stance for a good 3 years to try to cure falling over to the offside.
Def has helped improved my game
As with all technical tips or changes thou wont work for everyone
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has anyone been to his batting lab or is it just for pro's?
seems to talk a bit of sense
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I have started doing this for the first time. I've been playing over 20 years and have played two games with new technique 102 and 51. It might be new bat it might be I've dropped down standard a little bit but I'm definitely much more comfortable with bat up technique. I've also coupled it with Palmer open/pointing down wicket stance. Wish I had tried these things years ago. However it is only two games and I will update again half way through season.
My stance using the technique is very narrow with feet quite close together. I try to stand tall and still. My front foot is straight on a leg side stump line. Back foot heel is on middle with foot at 45 degrees. I tap bat outside off. Bat is held vertical as bowler runs in with face of bat open facing point. I'm left handed and open batting. My front foot is on tip of toes barely touching the ground.
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has anyone been to his batting lab or is it just for pro's?
seems to talk a bit of sense
If you are talking about Gary Palmer's coaching, then speak to @jblowe as I am pretty sure he has been to Gary and rates him very highly mate?
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cheers pm'd him
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If you are talking about Gary Palmer's coaching, then speak to @jblowe as I am pretty sure he has been to Gary and rates him very highly mate?
Got to love Gary Palmer, top coach and top man.
If you want to play a perfect on drive, or you struggle with swing, he is the man
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first game of the season yesterday, batted with a more open stance than usual and profited particularly on the leg side. i scored at least 4 or 5 boundaries through fine leg/backward square leg as anything that strayed onto my pads was punished.
on the flip side, i struggled to drive through mid off, so had to settle for singles and twos in that area. maybe i opened up too much and it stopped me getting across outside off stump...
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Thanks to @InternalTraining for the link to the coaching video.
I've adopted this stance at home in front of the mirror and in the only games I've played and have felt completely comfortable at the crease as a result. Certainly the turning of the back shoulder has left me with much more freedom of movement at the crease.
I've only hit two 20 odds but considering I've not netted or played since Feb I'll take that as an initial return.
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Stick with it if it feels comfortable, I've had an open stance for a couple of years and whilst there were no instant results to certainly helped on side an offside play. I'm comfortable on the offside now whereas before I was unbalanced.
Technical changes and those that recommend a certain way may not always work, a lot is down to the individual and if they think it's working. I'm convinced any way to get balanced is the best way, whatever the method. I put weight on my right leg sometimes if I feel I'm not balanced enough.
You have to find a method that works for you ,to get the basics, still head, balanced and watching the ball
Stick at it sounds like it's working so far
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Wish I had some Proper Training as a kid!
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Wish I had some Proper Training as a kid!
Never to old.
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Just come back from a session at the lab
In the words of mama bouche "that man is the devil"
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Just come back from a session at the lab
In the words of mama bouche "that man is the devil"
Did you enjoy it?
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Just come back from a session at the lab
In the words of mama bouche "that man is the devil"
Can you share the details?
If I were in England, I'd attend his "lab" and take lessons from him. His technique is effective!
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I have started doing this for the first time. I've been playing over 20 years and have played two games with new technique 102 and 51. It might be new bat it might be I've dropped down standard a little bit but I'm definitely much more comfortable with bat up technique. I've also coupled it with Palmer open/pointing down wicket stance. Wish I had tried these things years ago. However it is only two games and I will update again half way through season.
How'd you pick it up ? Do you have a coach ? If not, can you possibly point to an online resource ?
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Yes enjoyed it immensely
Going to book another session soon
No real details other than everything he said to do felt completely wrong and alien but worked
Having had an issue being bowled and lbw this year after he corrected me I faced about 400 balls with not one hitting stumps or pads
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Glad you enjoyed it @roco. Have you now mastered the on drive?
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not mastered but better
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Agree with most of the comments here, w.r.t. closed or open stance, there is no right or wrong. I personally have been a terrible batsman all my life with an open stance (and i didn't even know i was having an open stance, always thought i was not a good enough batsman!) until i changed to the closed stance, and started scoring a lot of runs....Also, I was personally inspired by one of the best technique out there, Sachin, always staying side on and seeing one of his video where he said to stay side on is the key to batting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGZdFApgtqM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGZdFApgtqM)
Looks like it all boils down to what works best for each..
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Update: managed to have a net this week for the first time in ages, so tried out a slightly more open/front on stance. The main difference was it put less strain on my dodgy groin, but it felt comfortable so i'm going to stick with it.
The main improvement though was getting my hands higher (as per Julian Wood's tips). As an opener I've always played with low hands to avoid getting bowled or lbw, but batting with high hands really helped me take on the pull shot and gave me much greater power through the ball.
Amazing the difference a net can make ;-)
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The main improvement though was getting my hands higher (as per Julian Wood's tips). As an opener I've always played with low hands to avoid getting bowled or lbw, but batting with high hands really helped me take on the pull shot and gave me much greater power through the ball.
Amazing the difference a net can make ;-)
By "low hands", do you mean holding the bat low or keeping your bat and hands low as in crouching down?
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Not low in terms of the handle of the bat.
Low in terms of not picking it up high in my backlift i.e. the opposite of how Jonny Bairstow stands at the crease.
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Used this first time yesterday
Highest score of season missed 1 ball but thankfully wasn't given
Feels weird looks wrong but works
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I have come to the conclusion that my stance does not matter!
If a bowler bowls a straight ball within my first 6-10 balls I face, I'm going to miss it! (Annoying Fact)
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I have come to the conclusion that my stance does not matter!
If a bowler bowls a straight ball within my first 6-10 balls I face, I'm going to miss it! (Annoying Fact)
Which means your bat isn't coming down straight, which is something very easy to fix with some shadow batting and throw downs using your top hand only.
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I found after the session I was hitting straight a lot better
Gary worked on getting my front leg and shoulder out of the way which gave my bat a free line at the ball
With the above vids I would say chuck your right elbow out more as I was tucking my elbow in like you which was stopping me hitting straight and was going into out rather than straight
Hope it helps as after my 2 hour lashing I stopped but it took being told off 40+ times so I must be a slow learner
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Still feels completely wrong to me mate and I had 2 hours with him so don't worry about that
In my knock sat I closed my shoulders a couple of times so it's hard after years of doing it the other way
Just try to remember left shoulder facing straight mid on
A practice he had me do was try to hit 2 sixes so clear front leg then play normal for 2 to get used to being open
Hope it helps
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It is all really interesting and helpful, thanks @roco
I had another 2 hours on a bowling machine after that session and could already feel it becoming more normal and I definitely see it as something to persevere with.
The main problem is keeping the practice up as those 4 hours playing around with an open stance in the past few days is all I've batted since March! In a match situation bad habits take over with poor results!
Exactly right Dorset and grooving it so it holds up in a game is the hard part. It's not easy, 3 years in after adjustments to my stance it's still a work in progress. 2 weeks ago I was looking at mid off to a left arm over the wicket bowler, I knew my stance was out and head position had gone over too far.
I tend to bat with low hands so I think it was mentioned on here about having hands higher up(bairstow springs to mind) so perhaps an idea is to stand up straighter....that's what I will be trying to do anyway.that should get the hands higher...I'm not sure about that so I will give it a go at nets and see if it helps