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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Gray Nicolls => Topic started by: Woodyspin on August 16, 2017, 05:11:13 PM
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So @Vitas Cricket posted they were at the preview of this and Nevill posts this
(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r659/FRCCWoody/Screenshot_2017-08-16-18-07-16_zpsyva1slea.png)
Not too sure of the inners - dont look cotton to me like GN usually have
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That colourway is in the UK 2018 range, but only on an entry level glove with a square cuff. I assume these are either Aus range gloves or unique to him.
That style of inner has been in the range previously as predator (continues as predator for 2018) and before that omega xrd. The backhand fit is more like that of a golf glove. Cotton and Chamois inners are both still available
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Yeah i recognise the style just looks sublimated rather than dyed cotton
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That colourway is in the UK 2018 range, but only on an entry level glove with a square cuff. I assume these are either Aus range gloves or unique to him.
That style of inner has been in the range previously as predator (continues as predator for 2018) and before that omega xrd. The backhand fit is more like that of a golf glove. Cotton and Chamois inners are both still available
Oz range . Velocity 1500 pn =$175au , equal 3rd most expensive gloves on the oz market . Kook pro $175oz , new balance tc 1260 $185au , g.n legend gold $250au ( kingsgrove catalogue prices , but the same /similar elsewhere)
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Oz range . Velocity 1500 pn =$175au , equal 3rd most expensive gloves on the oz market . Kook pro $175oz , new balance tc 1260 $185au , g.n legend gold $250au ( kingsgrove catalogue prices , but the same /similar elsewhere)
250AUD seems a lot. But when you consider the RRP of the GN Predator 3 LE this year was £180 (293AUD for our Aussie friends)
Seems quite good value... :D
I hear GN Legend 2018 has an RRP of £999.99 (1629 AUD). Getting a bit daft now?
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Yes, Legend is an RRP of £1000 - although the Kronus, endorsed by Hales, has their top end bat priced at an RRP of £600. I haven't seen the range but assume they're pushing the Legend as some ultra premium bat. The new Scoop and Pro Performance ranges also have an RRP of £600, so the Legend is the outlier.
There are 4 pairs of gloves with an RRP of £99.99 or higher and a pair of Keeping Gloves at £250. Only a month or so till we all get to see the final range.
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Yes, Legend is an RRP of £1000 - although the Kronus, endorsed by Hales, has their top end bat priced at an RRP of £600. I haven't seen the range but assume they're pushing the Legend as some ultra premium bat. The new Scoop and Pro Performance ranges also have an RRP of £600, so the Legend is the outlier.
There are 4 pairs of gloves with an RRP of £99.99 or higher and a pair of Keeping Gloves at £250. Only a month or so till we all get to see the final range.
Wow... 250 quid for a pair of keeping gloves makes $250au seem cheap !
This is bonkers !
I know english willow is supposed to be low in supply .... but sheep, calf , kangaroo leather and p.u ? Seriously. .... the jokes not funny anymore .
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Factor in the weak pound as well...
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Factor in the weak pound as well...
Still worth more than an aussie dollar!
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I know english willow is supposed to be low in supply .... but sheep, calf , kangaroo leather and p.u ? Seriously. .... the jokes not funny anymore .
Is it though? 10 years ago, when £300 would buy you a top, top end bat, did we just cut down all the Willow trees and forget to plant more?
I get the feeling English Willow is in short supply for mainly the same reasons Brent Crude is in short supply. Until the Saudi's suddenly find a couple of billion barrels under a bush and flood the market with them, cutting the price in half over the space of a year...
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Is it though? 10 years ago, when £300 would buy you a top, top end bat, did we just cut down all the Willow trees and forget to plant more?
I get the feeling English Willow is in short supply for mainly the same reasons Brent Crude is in short supply. Until the Saudi's suddenly find a couple of billion barrels under a bush and flood the market with them, cutting the price in half over the space of a year...
I said 'supposed' because i share your scepticism.
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They put on twitter to watch out for James hildreths bat, I managed to get his screen shot, certainly different, I know he used the scoop when it came back but this pushes those boundaries
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah106/alexhill11/0F0B92A2-59D1-427C-ACE6-B231DC522647_zpsoh4l9skd.png) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/alexhill11/media/0F0B92A2-59D1-427C-ACE6-B231DC522647_zpsoh4l9skd.png.html)
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holy crap batman ! you could drink champagne from that bat .... has a funnel and all !
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It looks awesome in the flesh. 2 grades available, RRP's of £600 and £250, also a junior option in harrow and 6 at £175.
Feel free to get in touch to pre-order one :)
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What's it called?
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Cleaved Spine?
MCC Regulation Eyesore?
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What's it called?
They put on twitter that it'll be announced September 1st! Can't wait actually!
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Cleaved Spine?
MCC Regulation Eyesore?
GN are continuing to produce bats for retail that will exceed the regulations, the regulations are for the bats of professional players only. Halestorm and Pro Performance remain in the range completely unchanged apart from their livery.
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I'm sorry? £600 for a scoop!!!!!
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I'm sorry? £600 for a scoop!!!!!
RRP brucie baby, we will sell for less than that :)
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RRP brucie baby, we will sell for less than that :)
599.99 right?
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This will give you an idea of price (and name)
https://www.barringtonsports.com/products/gray-nicolls-scoop-xvii-400-senior-cricket-bat-2017/32216/view (https://www.barringtonsports.com/products/gray-nicolls-scoop-xvii-400-senior-cricket-bat-2017/32216/view)
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Cricket gets uglier.
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Cricket gets uglier.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!!
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What's it called?
The Gash
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The Gash
i could add to this but I'd get banned ! :D
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I'm back boys, you only need to mention new GN kit to get me excited!
See my attached photo of Ben Foakes batting today using a new bat. Can anyone confirm if the removal of the black around the stickers is for all ranges?
EDIT, the photo won't attach, see the link here! https://twitter.com/graynics/status/902551611633000449
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I'm back boys, you only need to mention new GN kit to get me excited!
See my attached photo of Ben Foakes batting today using a new bat. Can anyone confirm if the removal of the black around the stickers is for all ranges?
EDIT, the photo won't attach, see the link here! https://twitter.com/graynics/status/902551611633000449
Thats a nemesis, a standalone model in the now familiar (albeit whacky) shape. The Nemesis, Kaboom and Classic ranges (prestige, players, legend, pro performance etc) don't have the black between the chequers, the rest of the models do.
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Thats a nemesis, a standalone model in the now familiar (albeit whacky) shape. The Nemesis, Kaboom and Classic ranges (prestige, players, legend, pro performance etc) don't have the black between the chequers, the rest of the models do.
Thanks, I saw him using it in the T20 but didn't see the front, couldn't believe something the looks this classic on the face would have that monstrosity on the back, wouldn't have thought he'd use that in the 4 day stuff!
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Check cricket direct!!
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Liking the colours in the powerbow 6 range
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I'm getting a cheaper hobby.
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I really like the look of the Scoop, not had chance to peruse much else yet though!
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Saw the full range a couple of weeks ago now. The Kronus, Powerbow and new Nemesis impressed me most in regards to looks, pick up etc.
Not completely sold on the Kronus softs, something about the colours put me off which is annoying as the bats look great. In my opinion the Powerbow range was the most solid in terms of looks and fit when it came to the softs.
Glad you finally get to see the new Scoop as well, definitely a bit of a marmite bat that divided opinion. The more I look at it the more I like it. Pick up was great on the one I got shown..
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Scoooooooop
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£540 for this years Halestorm?? :(
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BIG BATS, big money
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£540 for this years Halestorm?? :(
Not what I've paid............
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£540 for this years Halestorm?? :(
As Smilley knows, we will be cheaper than that :)
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Jake...I believe we need a chat! ;)
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No softs for the Chimera or Cerberus?
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No softs for the Chimera or Cerberus?
They are exclusive cricket direct models.
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The price of the new softs for 2018 are ridiculous!
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Loving the new nemesis! any ideas on grades @Vitas Cricket ?
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Loving the new nemesis! any ideas on grades @Vitas Cricket ?
1 grade. SWB7 Nemesis 600 is the official name. RRP £275, we will be selling it around the £235 mark.
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Grade of Willow?
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Grade of Willow?
At that price I'd imagine 1 or 2
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Grade of Willow?
GN don't buy willow from a merchant so aren't bound by the simplified grading system presented to the public, a system used by fewer and fewer brands as it is incredibly subjective.
GN haven't stated grades of bats for a few years now. The official answer to your questions is the SWB7 Nemesis 600 is a 600 grade bat. The grade of a 2017 Powerbow 5 Star is 5 star, etc.
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GN don't buy willow from a merchant so aren't bound by the simplified grading system presented to the public, a system used by fewer and fewer brands as it is incredibly subjective.
GN haven't stated grades of bats for a few years now. The official answer to your questions is the SWB7 Nemesis 600 is a 600 grade bat. The grade of a 2017 Powerbow 5 Star is 5 star, etc.
Glad that cleared things up... :D
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Glad that cleared things up... :D
I completely get that it is as clear as mud. What i often find when a customer comes in and says 'i'm after a grade one bat' is that they don't have any answer at all when i say 'what's your definition of a G1?'
It's been discussed at length in the past, the simple grading system of 1-5 is pretty pointless. There is more than one willow merchant, each merchant having their own grading criteria, with no industry wide regulation/monitoring, there are at least 14 different grades available to buy from merchants as far as i'm aware, how that translates into grades 1,2,3,4 and 5 is anyones guess. Some brands/batmakers regrade as they see fit when they take delivery of the clefts. Some brands/batmakers fell their own willow. Some clefts are now graded on size/density, see the reasonably ugly Warner bats for $1000 AUS for further details.
There are also things like G1+ and 'Pro' grade to consider too.
Most of the major manufacturers no longer explicitly state the 'bat x is grade x'
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They grade in Aus and 500 600 and 700 models are usually G3 I believe. Given the relative pricing I think G3 seems realistic compared to "conventional" grading for whatever that is worth. A bat is a bat and if it feel good and goes then happy days :)
I think the industry in Aus still centres around the traditional grading of 1-5. The only bat in the UK range that states what grade it is, is an Australian model, the bog standard (small) Warner 31 model for about £175, it says 'grade 3' on the stickers.
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Anyone seen that scoop on gn twitter??
Not sure if I like it or not, but fair play for trying
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I LOVE IT!!!
It's known as the GN 'Gash-attack' !!
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I completely get that it is as clear as mud. What i often find when a customer comes in and says 'i'm after a grade one bat' is that they don't have any answer at all when i say 'what's your definition of a G1?'
It's been discussed at length in the past, the simple grading system of 1-5 is pretty pointless. There is more than one willow merchant, each merchant having their own grading criteria, with no industry wide regulation/monitoring, there are at least 14 different grades available to buy from merchants as far as i'm aware, how that translates into grades 1,2,3,4 and 5 is anyones guess. Some brands/batmakers regrade as they see fit when they take delivery of the clefts. Some brands/batmakers fell their own willow. Some clefts are now graded on size/density, see the reasonably ugly Warner bats for $1000 AUS for further details.
There are also things like G1+ and 'Pro' grade to consider too.
Most of the major manufacturers no longer explicitly state the 'bat x is grade x'
I appreciate it's impossible to correlate everyone's expectations into a simple grading system. Can't we just have a Freemason style secret grading system? So when people come into the store we can have a secret handshake then say I'd like a:
Low density - Can have between 1 and 100 grains, this is a science experiment not a grade.
G1+ - Blemish free, perfect white Willow. Grains are too subjective.
G1 - A small blemish on the face, not in the playing area. Or a perfect face with heartwood
G2 - A few blemishes, perhaps some graping. Heartwood almost guaranteed.
G3 - An ugly face, or butterfly.
G4 - You're asked to leave the store - "Sports direct is over there" *Points towards the door*
G5 - "B&Q sell MDF, I'd try them." *Speak slowly, it may help*
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I appreciate it's impossible to correlate everyone's expectations into a simple grading system. Can't we just have a Freemason style secret grading system? So when people come into the store we can have a secret handshake then say I'd like a:
Low density - Can have between 1 and 100 grains, this is a science experiment not a grade.
G1+ - Blemish free, perfect white Willow. Grains are too subjective.
G1 - A small blemish on the face, not in the playing area. Or a perfect face with heartwood
G2 - A few blemishes, perhaps some graping. Heartwood almost guaranteed.
G3 - An ugly face, or butterfly.
G4 - You're asked to leave the store - "Sports direct is over there" *Points towards the door*
G5 - "B&Q sell MDF, I'd try them." *Speak slowly, it may help*
Well said. And if you asked for players grade willow would the answer be 'that's £200 extra Sir'.
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Really good to have a chat to @thebigginge today at Lords. We talked through the new range.
We are both excited by the new power bow. Alex also explained the reason behind some of the new colour schemes... which is for one range to match blue school uniforms!
Not many bats left at the Lords stands sadly!
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Does the new scoop sounds as tinny live as it does on TV, hard to tell how it went as Braithwaite scored nothing in this test but both the scoop and dynadrive I had a few years back sounded awful when used, played ok but I must admit seems a gimmick as certainly in my experience does nothing for performance and sound wise not great.
Be interested to see there catalogue is its available like the GM one is
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I still possess a GN100 the middle on it is huge thanks to the design. But never noticed a tinny sound?
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I still possess a GN100 the middle on it is huge thanks to the design. But never noticed a tinny sound?
That GN took a while to open up. But once it did, was a lovely bat.
I to never noticed any strange sound with it.
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Me neither. The Dynadrive I had took a little while to get going, but always sounded normal
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That GN took a while to open up. But once it did, was a lovely bat.
I to never noticed any strange sound with it.
Its a lovely bat - needs looking after, after i lent it out but im sure someone can help me with that haha
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Does the new scoop sounds as tinny live as it does on TV, hard to tell how it went as Braithwaite scored nothing in this test but both the scoop and dynadrive I had a few years back sounded awful when used, played ok but I must admit seems a gimmick as certainly in my experience does nothing for performance and sound wise not great.
Be interested to see there catalogue is its available like the GM one is
Brathwaite would get a fee for using the scoop. I know the players get offered more for using "experimental" bats and for using the makers shoes and helmets etc. Not a good endorsement though if it sounds like that.
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Brathwaite would get a fee for using the scoop. I know the players get offered more for using "experimental" bats and for using the makers shoes and helmets etc. Not a good endorsement though if it sounds like that.
My understanding was that Brathwaite was given a gun of a new scoop, but wasn't expected to use it. In fact it was a surprise he used it.
I didn't notice any odd noise yesterday at the ground, but then he didn't hang about!
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Brathwaite would get a fee for using the scoop. I know the players get offered more for using "experimental" bats and for using the makers shoes and helmets etc. Not a good endorsement though if it sounds like that.
Some people may be money driven, some ego driven(I can play with anything mentality)
But personally I don't believe many players would be going into the 3rd test, when at 1-1 and taking in an experimental bat they've never used before, just because they've been offered abit of extra cash to get it on the telly.
Why risk your game?
Chances are he was sent one to try, loved it in the nets so took it out into the middle.
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Some people may be money driven, some ego driven(I can play with anything mentality)
But personally I don't believe many players would be going into the 3rd test, when at 1-1 and taking in an experimental bat they've never used before, just because they've been offered abit of extra cash to get it on the telly.
Why risk your game?
Chances are he was sent one to try, loved it in the nets so took it out into the middle.
They don't have to use them, Im just saying they do get offered extra to use certain things and Id say that all the GN sponsored players would have the option of using this scoop with extra money attached. Like you say though he must think its good enough for that level or why risk it for a few bob.
They (GN sponsored players) must get the opportunity in certain years to try experimental bats and if they actually like them then great: Kawaja XP80, Billings Nemesis, Brathwaite scoop, Warner with that smaller edge large spine bat he had etc.
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with the new bat regs coming in players can no longer use a big edge/spine bat to be eye catching... so g.n players using scoops or similar is all they have left. its not like any viewers will be saying " oh wow, look at so and so, he's using a 60mm spine /40 mm edge /mid middle bat . how left field and innovative "!
I'm not saying players have/will use a bat just to grab attention for the sponsor. just saying that the sponsor cant capture attention with average , icc conforming , bog standard bats.
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Really good to have a chat to @thebigginge today at Lords. We talked through the new range.
We are both excited by the new power bow. Alex also explained the reason behind some of the new colour schemes... which is for one range to match blue school uniforms!
Not many bats left at the Lords stands sadly!
Were the new scoop and powerbow for sale on the lords stand @Buzz
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Were the new scoop and powerbow for sale on the lords stand @Buzz
Sadly not, it was end of season discount stuff only (which was selling well apparently
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Sadly not, it was end of season discount stuff only (which was selling well apparently
Yeah their wasn't much when I went over. A couple of ok sabres but didn't think they were worth the £175 they were for sale for
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Do we have a PDF of the catalogue yet?
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They sent it out but didnt actually attach it lol
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Official image of the 2018 Scoop
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYfa1uwjLCk/?taken-by=graynics (https://www.instagram.com/p/BYfa1uwjLCk/?taken-by=graynics)
I just can't get my head around it, taking that amount of wood out of the middle I'm undecided :o
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"The more headweight is pushed out farther from the center of gravity of the bat, the higher the bat's MOI about the vertical rotation axis of its center of gravity," Wishon said.
"And the higher the bat's MOI, the less the bat will twist in response to an off-center hit. And the less bat twisting from an off-center hit, the farther the ball will fly for the same swing speed. So perimeter weighting 'works' by increasing a bat's MOI, thereby leading to less loss of distance on off-center hits."
Found this description of perimeter weighting in gold clubs, have enerv actually managed to find any evidence online though. Not saying it doesn't work in theory, but I like cold hard proof!
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I'd buy one!
(but then I'm stupid)
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Official image of the 2018 Scoop
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYfa1uwjLCk/?taken-by=graynics (https://www.instagram.com/p/BYfa1uwjLCk/?taken-by=graynics)
I just can't get my head around it, taking that amount of wood out of the middle I'm undecided :o
The Scoop is arguably the greatest bat of all time. It wouldn't have been used by such an array of world stars if it had no driving power as a result of the scooping. This re-imaging saves some weight in the toe and splice area, but otherwise offers the same perimeter weighting system as the original.
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Agreed, most reliable and forgiving bat ive ever used
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Wouldnę't let me hotlink, but these are cool, Original sketches for the Scoop.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-1 (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-1)
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-2 (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-2)
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-3 (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-3)
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Wouldnę't let me hotlink, but these are cool, Original sketches for the Scoop.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-1 (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-1)
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-2 (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-2)
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-3 (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jul/23/gray-nicholls-scoop-the-bat-every-kid-wanted-for-christmas-turns-40#img-3)
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/22/1406009393186/2125112f-e1e4-4653-bf8b-ba1a1d08527e-843x1020.jpeg?w=1225&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=c89a6c13c8e035095f0620dcfead3d14)
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/22/1406009607165/107608f9-a3ea-4269-8cd6-c57c765d2a21-671x1020.jpeg?w=1225&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=5af2b670112259013d3300b4aeef04f2)
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/22/1406009534704/5ecc6f25-094e-424c-a875-520f7ecc7170-674x1020.jpeg?w=1225&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=2b32d919559f80dfedd6cf34815c619a)
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If it was good enough for BC Lara then it's good enough for me!
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Proofs in the pudding I reckon
I remember the original scoops and some were good others were very much less so
As always with cricket bats, it's a bit of a lottery.
The scoops gonna help pick up, but as far as how much woods taken away from the main hitting zone, I suppose a lot will depend on bat dead weight , cleft size weight etc
If there's still 50mm or so of bat thickness where the scoop is, then it's still gonna hit the ball ok
I like the scoop colour, just not sure I'd buy blind, without having a hit with one first, and tapping up a few in a shop.
I suppose that's where we are lucky guys like vitas have the set up for this and stunning bats to choose from.
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If you could get a big thick one around 2.14 I'd be tempted
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Any chance of Atomic bat range available in UK?
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Yes to Atomic in the UK - was at the trade show.
It has the flattest face I've ever seen - remember talking to our GN rep and he commented that the few he'd seen were pressed harder than the other models. The face is different level flat, certainly on the sample he had!
CBD
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https://www.scribd.com/document/359886418/Gray-Nicolls-Trade-Brochure-2018 (https://www.scribd.com/document/359886418/Gray-Nicolls-Trade-Brochure-2018)
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My Gray Nicolls catalogue arrived in the post today, anyone else?
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Have any of our forum sponsors on here received the 2018 softs yet? Just wondered if the pads came up smaller like in previous years?
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Have any of our forum sponsors on here received the 2018 softs yet? Just wondered if the pads came up smaller like in previous years?
GN were not happy when I suggested the 2017 Legends were considerably smaller than the 2015 ones in a normal men size.
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My Gray Nicolls catalogue arrived in the post today, anyone else?
How do you acquire one of those? Much prefer a brochure than looking online
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@gazr5 I think I'm on their mailing list as I've ordered direct from them mate, I wasn't expecting it and don't think I signed up for one
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@gazr5 I think I'm on their mailing list as I've ordered direct from them mate, I wasn't expecting it and don't think I signed up for one
If you ring GN and ask for a catologue they will post one to you normally the same day.