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Title: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: leatherseat on September 20, 2017, 11:43:58 AM
Lots happening in the current round of matches, despite Essex having secured the 1st division title. Lots of wickets falling

Essex all out for 76 - now following on (too much celebrating?)
Rory Kleinveldt has just taken 9-65 to give Northants a lead of 40 odd over Notts
19 year old Kiran Carlson has just scored 191 for Glam v Gloucs.

Must get back to work...
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: northernboy1987 on September 20, 2017, 12:20:48 PM
It's all been happening, Middlesex were 89/7 yesterday with 4 out of their top 5 having played Test cricket within the past few years, had to rely on the bowlers to get them to a decent score.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: petehosk on September 20, 2017, 12:21:52 PM
From an prospective England Ashes Test squad point of view.....

Stoneman hit a half century so no harm there!
Westley was out early in his first innings - is on 10 and still batting but needs to get a big one and show form today!
Malan only managed 12 in his first innings and has just gone into bat in 2nd innings
Hameed managed 3 in his 1st inning so he may need to hit a few runs in his second innings as well!
Balance managed a 28 in his match so needs to push on if he gets a 2nd innings.

So only Stoneman hit any runs which is worrying, as this is their last chance to impress before the Ashes squad is announced!
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 20, 2017, 12:29:40 PM
I must disagree Pete. I think the selectors know these wickets will produce a result. All the work over the summer has been noted, as Jimmy was saying yesterday they have a few weeks off, then back to training and they fly out end of October. The selectors have an idea of their squad already there will be 2/3 that are fighting for a pair of tickets i reckon.

And judging by selections in the past i wont be expecting any really bold decisions?
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 20, 2017, 12:37:50 PM
It's too cold.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 20, 2017, 12:39:55 PM
And judging by selections in the past i wont be expecting any really bold decisions?

About the only surprise I could expect would be someone along the lines of Mason Crane/Jamie Porter. Realistically they aren't going to do this though as it's already been said they won't be taking anyone 'untested'

Expect the usual disappointing selections (Ballance/Rashid etc)
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 20, 2017, 01:03:59 PM
Notoriously selectors have picked one 'untested' player. Then again untested doesnt really define alot. If it was uncapped then that makes it more interesting. But Crane was with the squad and bowled at our batsman so is that testing?
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 20, 2017, 01:06:47 PM
I'd presume Crane would pass the 'untested' test being as they've had a chance to look at him already. What would be surprising is if it's someone who's yet to be in one of the 3 Eng squads (Test/ODI/T20).

There's plenty that deserve a shot off the back of their Domestic and Eng Lions performances, but the Ashes are the last place to be testing out new blood!
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 20, 2017, 01:09:51 PM
Yeah unless they back track to someone like Robson who has experience and is a much better batsman now than he was before...

You never know
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: leatherseat on September 20, 2017, 01:17:38 PM
Yeah unless they back track to someone like Robson who has experience and is a much better batsman now than he was before...

You never know

Robson would be an interesting call. As he was brought up on Oz, his game would suit the wickets over there. Perhaps given the reluctance of Root to go up to number 3 and Westley not doing himself justice, Robson may be the experienced wild card to bolster the top three.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: petehosk on September 20, 2017, 02:39:52 PM
Robson would be an interesting call. As he was brought up on Oz, his game would suit the wickets over there. Perhaps given the reluctance of Root to go up to number 3 and Westley not doing himself justice, Robson may be the experienced wild card to bolster the top three.

With the absence of any other suitable Number 3, it wouldn't be the worst call to be fair!
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: golders on September 20, 2017, 02:47:31 PM
I'm not convinced by either Westley or Malan-i'd bat Hales at 5- but there aren't exactly guys banging the door down to get a place on the plane-which is slightly worrying!
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Ams4287 on September 20, 2017, 03:33:31 PM
For me Roooot has to bat at 3 (although he clearly doesn't want to), Bairstow (minus the gloves which is harsh but a necessary evil) at 4 and then Hales at 5. With Stokes at 6, keeper / batsmen at 7 and Ali at 8 it'd be entertaining
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Manormanic on September 20, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
For me Roooot has to bat at 3 (although he clearly doesn't want to), Bairstow (minus the gloves which is harsh but a necessary evil) at 4 and then Hales at 5. With Stokes at 6, keeper / batsmen at 7 and Ali at 8 it'd be entertaining

A variation on that.  Malan for me is  reasonable bet - has the temperament and a good back foot game.  So:

Cook
Stoneman
Malan
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Hales
Ali
Woakes/Roland-Jones
Broad/Roland-Jones
Anderson
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 20, 2017, 06:26:07 PM
Another championship thread becomes a thread about the make up of the Test team!
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: ppccopener on September 20, 2017, 06:37:58 PM
Another championship thread becomes a thread about the make up of the Test team!

We just can't help ourselves on the forum its hopeless @Bats_Entertainment

Sangakara - is he really going to retire after this season? What a player

I dont suppose by any chance like really really slim chance....i mean....his wife is not English is she?
 :D
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 20, 2017, 08:58:26 PM
Would be funny if Notts failed to get promoted.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 20, 2017, 09:04:37 PM

Sangakara - is he really going to retire after this season? What a player


Was a ton ever more inevitable?

He took a Nemesis shape Gray Nicolls out to practice today. (For the many on here interested in such things.)

Does a Kippax Wavex handle have a single spring, anyone?

Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: jwebber86 on September 20, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
Would be funny if Notts failed to get promoted.

i think they could lose both games and finish third.

northants are playing leicester next week so will fancy their chances.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Biggie Smalls on September 21, 2017, 02:04:52 PM
Another championship thread becomes a thread about the make up of the Test team!



Hmmm , yes .... good reason to pop over to the ashes thread i started and continue the banter there then ?  :D
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 21, 2017, 02:13:30 PM
Notts and Northants looks interesting...
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 21, 2017, 08:04:10 PM
i think they could lose both games and finish third.

northants are playing leicester next week so will fancy their chances.

Doubt they will lose v sussex
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: jwebber86 on September 21, 2017, 09:59:51 PM
Doubt they will lose v sussex

i think with the players they have missing and if sussex get a decent pitch with a stronger seam bowling line up. i could see sussex winning.

im still hoping notts win tomorrow so that we can go out for celebratory drinks
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 21, 2017, 10:22:11 PM
i think with the players they have missing and if sussex get a decent pitch with a stronger seam bowling line up. i could see sussex winning.

im still hoping notts win tomorrow so that we can go out for celebratory drinks

Possible but our batting lets us down first inning more often than not
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: jwebber86 on September 26, 2017, 01:53:07 PM
Possible but our batting lets us down first inning more often than not

Not looking good for you boys
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 26, 2017, 05:01:32 PM
Not looking good for you boys

Assume you mean notts? What an tail! Archer has to be a decent shout for and england shirt soon! Averages over 40 with the bat and 24 with the ball!

As for Jordan's ton! What a knock!

Such a shame they cant get promoted now. Missed out twice this season with the T20 and now CC!
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: edge on September 26, 2017, 05:32:17 PM
Assume you mean notts? What an tail! Archer has to be a decent shout for and england shirt soon! Averages over 40 with the bat and 24 with the ball!

As for Jordan's ton! What a knock!

Such a shame they cant get promoted now. Missed out twice this season with the T20 and now CC!
Archer looks a serious quality bowler, don't count your chickens before he qualifies for England though! Watching most of the Windies seam attack bowl this summer must have been both tempting and off-putting for him ha.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Chalkie on September 26, 2017, 05:38:06 PM

Looks like having been fortunate not to go down last year Hants are doing their level best to rectify that this week  :o

Assuming Somerset win, Hants will have to hope they either tear through Warks 2nd inns and then bat well, or the weather ensures a draw, if they lose I think they are down?

Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 26, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
Archer looks a serious quality bowler, don't count your chickens before he qualifies for England though! Watching most of the Windies seam attack bowl this summer must have been both tempting and off-putting for him ha.

He's been quoted that he'd like to play for england. I believe he qualifies next year too!
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: edge on September 26, 2017, 06:19:16 PM
He's been quoted that he'd like to play for england. I believe he qualifies next year too!
I didn't know that, good news! Won't qualify til 2022/23 though, seven years it takes now.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 26, 2017, 07:06:35 PM
I didn't know that, good news! Won't qualify til 2022/23 though, seven years it takes now.

Yeah just read the timings. I thought he had been here pemenantly for a while but obviously not!

If england want him they will change it. Im sure australia tried the same with Kawaja? (Dont qoute me)
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 27, 2017, 12:57:55 PM
With all the hype of sanga retiring I think it's slipped under the radar a little but in what could be his final first class innings Chris read has hit 124 and another knock to possibly salvage something for Notts! He's been a great asset to Notts for a long long time! He will be missed! Not looking forward to seeing who keeps for Notts next year! Better not be daddy's boy moores
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: six and out on September 28, 2017, 03:43:08 PM
I can't believe Northants (my team) have literally missed out on promotion by the 5 point deduction for slow over rate against Notts (who got promoted). So frustrating  :( :(
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: mattw on September 28, 2017, 03:44:58 PM
Youuuu Pearrrrsss!
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Chalkie on September 28, 2017, 04:58:29 PM
Well done to Hants for batting out today for the draw and avoiding the drop. Worth noting that much of the hard work was done by Vince - batting for 159 minutes facing 124 balls for just 30 runs.

Interesting to see that just 2 points separated 4th (Yorks) from 7th (Mids) and relegation.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Gurujames on September 28, 2017, 05:05:02 PM
A paltry 2 wins for Surrey secures 3rd. Though the most important thing was Somerset pulling off a real Houdini to avoid relegation. Credit goes to the most unlucky person not to get picked for the ashes tour (jack leach). I think he has been the top county spinner for the last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Manormanic on September 28, 2017, 09:15:10 PM
Eight sides and two down needs looking at.

And Leach still appears to, ERM, straighten his arm in delivery...
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: golders on September 28, 2017, 09:37:20 PM
Eight sides and two down needs looking at.

And Leach still appears to, ERM, straighten his arm in delivery...

I'd be curious to see any recent footage to back that up?
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Gurujames on September 29, 2017, 06:50:04 AM
In the few times I've seen him bowl I can't see anything wrong with his action. I know he was a right chucker in the past though.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Manormanic on September 29, 2017, 12:22:02 PM
In the few times I've seen him bowl I can't see anything wrong with his action. I know he was a right chucker in the past though.

He has a smoother action than he used to, for sure.  But the two times I have seen him bowl this season, there have been deliveries where there has been a very obvious kink in his action, and he persists in wearing long sleeves even on the hottest of days...
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: six and out on September 29, 2017, 12:30:23 PM
He has a smoother action than he used to, for sure.  But the two times I have seen him bowl this season, there have been deliveries where there has been a very obvious kink in his action, and he persists in wearing long sleeves even on the hottest of days...

The biggest thing about Leach for me is that i believe the selectors worry about that he is playing on bunsens at Taunton so they are always just seeing and hearing about that and they therefore question his ability to bowl on flat pitches - which the majority of time is what you get at test level.

Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: alexhilly1492 on September 29, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
The biggest thing about Leach for me is that i believe the selectors worry about that he is playing on bunsens at Taunton so they are always just seeing and hearing about that and they therefore question his ability to bowl on flat pitches - which the majority of time is what you get at test level.
so we need to look at his figures away from taunton that will give a pretty decent understanding - he surely doesnt just play home games?
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Woodyspin on September 29, 2017, 12:48:36 PM
so we need to look at his figures away from taunton that will give a pretty decent understanding - he surely doesnt just play home games?

No he doesnt but he pretty much only performs there
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Manormanic on September 29, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
It was interesting at the Oval that Dom Bess took over as the frontline spinner and Tom Abell bowled as many overs of his military medium as Leach did.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: six and out on September 29, 2017, 08:38:16 PM
Here we go.... it was always going to happen...

'Middlesex to appeal relegation'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11059991 (http://www.skysports.com/share/11059991)
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Gurujames on September 29, 2017, 08:49:04 PM
Uh oh. To be fair they may have a fair point. Though they have been aware of the points deduction for some time and should have made their case much earlier.
Nevertheless us carrot crunchers in the south west will be a bit nervous.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: FattusCattus on September 30, 2017, 09:58:49 AM
Pffft!  I'm a Middlesex fan, but I say take the drop like men, should've won at lest one of the games they drew and should've batted better through the season to pick up more bonus points.

I wouldn't actually want to get re-instated on this basis, I'd rather come back up on merit.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: Buzz on September 30, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
There is no chance of getting the 2pts reinstated.
1. If it had rained they would have been deducted points
2. Ditto for bad light.

At the time Middlesex were 180 ahead with 33 overs left in the game, they weren't in a position to declare.

The talk is frustration and emotion. The fact is they should have bowled at the correct over rate or won a game they drew.
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: FattusCattus on September 30, 2017, 10:27:13 AM
What are you doing on here - aren't you on the 'Isle of Fernando'?
Title: Re: Current Cty Championship round-19-22 Sept
Post by: ppccopener on October 17, 2017, 08:52:38 PM
Pffft!  I'm a Middlesex fan, but I say take the drop like men, should've won at lest one of the games they drew and should've batted better through the season to pick up more bonus points.

I wouldn't actually want to get re-instated on this basis, I'd rather come back up on merit.

Absolutely and today's news says the appeal has failed. One in the eye for those who may think Strauss/Fraser/Lords have an influence down South.

It's Div 2 and they will have to crack on next year and do it on the field. all sorts of things may come up during the season if they uphold appeals all over the shop it's a mockery of promotion and relegation.

And I'm a Middlesex fan too!