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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Kulli on November 15, 2017, 11:11:32 AM
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What shouldn't really do, but really grinds your gears?
Currently, for me, it is youtube reviewers demonstrating 'ping' by belting the ball off their ceiling, as if somehow those of us watching will think that the bats a cannon, rather than that they are just hitting the ball harder than most people do when just knocking a ball up on a bat.
Release your rage...
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Currently, for me, it is youtube reviewers demonstrating 'ping' by belting the ball off their ceiling, as if somehow those of us watching will think that the bats a cannon, rather than that they are just hitting the ball harder than most people do when just knocking a ball up on a bat.
THANK YOU.
Literally the most frustrating thing! Anyone can hit a cricket ball 6 ft in the air if they hit it hard enough lol
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Wicket Keepers not wearing long sleeves
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THANK YOU.
Literally the most frustrating thing! Anyone can hit a cricket ball 6 ft in the air if they hit it hard enough lol
If I wasn't so lazy I'd quite fancy making a spoof bat review video, could be some fun to be had.
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Cherries, dings or a riding grip.
These things should all be removed/sorted as soon as possible. If I see anyone using a bat with a badly applied grip I assume they're a savage...
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That to buy a cricket bag remotely, you take a leap of faith. Why can't we see images of the bag open?!
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I'd recommend using a light Bola ball for added ping ;)
You're missing a trick mate, why even bother with a cricket ball? Golf balls are where it's at - maximum ping!!
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Cherries, dings or a riding grip.
These things should all be removed/sorted as soon as possible. If I see anyone using a bat with a badly applied grip I assume they're a savage...
Think I spend half my time after getting out fixing teammates bat grips, whatever they ask me to or not.
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Arbitrary price rises year on year.
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No cheese and pickle sandwich at tea!!!!!!!!!!
:(
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Watching Paul from ijc say it’s a belter because it’s hitting the roof when he’s 9ft tall holding the bat at chest height and the roof tiles are a foot above his head
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Watching Paul from ijc say it’s a belter because it’s hitting the roof when he’s 9ft tall holding the bat at chest height and the roof tiles are a foot above his head
To be fair when you take his natural (mis)timing into account its a pretty decent hit!
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Watching Paul from ijc say it’s a belter because it’s hitting the roof when he’s 9ft tall holding the bat at chest height and the roof tiles are a foot above his head
I’ve visited said lounge, he’s a tall fella and the roof is low. On the same pilgrimage I visited the bat garage which has a higher ceiling, the handled cleft I picked out and he made up suddenly lost the in garage ping during transit. A very good bat all the same.
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Ping tests are a strong one, although some (Aldred/IJC) can be as amusing as they are annoying.
Bat reviewers banging on at length about stickers, do they get Youtube confused with the radio?
Bat reviewers talking about how many ounces the bat picks up under its' actual weight.
Reviewers talking about irrelevant details - see above re. stickers, also branded zips, the precise brand and model of gloves they've put in a bag, etc. etc.
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Ping tests are a strong one, although some (Aldred/IJC) can be as amusing as they are annoying.
Bat reviewers banging on at length about stickers, do they get Youtube confused with the radio?
Bat reviewers talking about how many ounces the bat picks up under its' actual weight.
Reviewers talking about irrelevant details - see above re. stickers, also branded zips, the precise brand and model of gloves they've put in a bag, etc. etc.
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Just curious...if you are a seller making youtube videos to advertise and sell your products, how would you go about demonstrating that the bat does perform really well (apart from the ping test of course)...what do you think would convince a buyer?
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When they don't give you:
Thickness at toe
Pickup index
The Pro's name it definitely came from.
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Just curious...if you are a seller making youtube videos to advertise and sell your products, how would you go about demonstrating that the bat does perform really well (apart from the ping test of course)...what do you think would convince a buyer?
Slightly off-topic (my bad). Further to your query, can you actually judge how well a bat will perform without it being fully knocked/played in? And thus is it even relevant to mention this during a video review?
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Whatever happened to that chap who was going to set up a scientific rig to measure Ping? I was really looking forward to that, now that I've just remembered that I was.
Oh. And whacking yourself on the pads with a mallet. I can't remember the last time I saw a 1kg mallet come out of the bowlers hand. I bet it was a googly though.
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Oh. And whacking yourself on the pads with a mallet. I can't remember the last time I saw a 1kg mallet come out of the bowlers hand. I bet it was a googly though.
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Hahaha this,thank you for cracking me up!
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"As always,I'm going to work my way from the toe,to the base of the (fully embossed) stickers/decals"
Winds me up a tad...!
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Players who take the field with grass stains on there whites dirty pads gloves and scruffy kit.
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Players who take the field with grass stains on there whites dirty pads gloves and scruffy kit.
and Chris Woakes?
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and Chris Woakes?
No IMO he needs to step up for England away from the UK.
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- Bats that are 'performance free' and don't have a bow.
- Late arrivers.
- Cry babies.
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What shouldn't really do, but really grinds your gears?
Currently, for me, it is youtube reviewers demonstrating 'ping' by belting the ball off their ceiling, as if somehow those of us watching will think that the bats a cannon, rather than that they are just hitting the ball harder than most people do when just knocking a ball up on a bat.
Release your rage...
Unfortunately, bat ping/performance "measurements" (as they currently stand) are a complete crap shoot because no scientific factors are used to measure performance. There are three factors that ought to be part of every bat's dimensional spec. and bat makers ought to provide that information. Reciprocally, customers need to demand and understand factors that truly makes a bat perform for them rather than cosmetic factors.
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"As always,I'm going to work my way from the toe,to the base of the (fully embossed) stickers/decals"
Winds me up a tad...!
What if he did it in reverse? And also the algorithm loaded into the reviewers brain for it weighs 4 lbs put picks up closer to 2lb 9 oz
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There are three factors that ought to be part of every bat's dimensional spec. and bat makers ought to provide that information.
Oh please, tell us what these are! (http://www.sympato.ch/smileys/Whistle.gif)
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Players who take the field with grass stains on there whites dirty pads gloves and scruffy kit.
Debate - You're skipper of your side. You are playing a must win game but have had a last minute drop out. You have a choice of two players to call up as a short notice replacement
- A decent player who bats and bowls. Always performs well but turns up in grass stained whites.
- A bloke who has a career average of 4 and doesn't bowl, but turns up in pristine kit every week
Who do you pick for the must win game, and why?
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People who are desperate for Bats once owned by 'Pros'
FKW's - Pro wannabes. I know this will upset some people.
People who don't look after their kit.
People who know very little who talk a load of (No Swearing Please).
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The decent player and give him some clean kit from the club kit cupboard.
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That would be the plank on the end of the bat then ;) :D People buying bats need to understand buying blind online will always be a gamble and nothing beats getting them in the hands. No numbers can compensate for that and an average "ping" bat that feels perfect will do better than a "pingy" bat that the user can't find the middle of IMO
Not necessarily which is why certain factor will remove "subjective" aspect of ping determination all together. It is like shoe size and width measurement; I am sure once upon a time people frowned on it. Now, they don't eve think about.
@DorsetDan , you are on the wrong side of history on this argument. :D Do you want history to remember you as the person who opposed progress? :D
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Oh please, tell us what these are! ([url]http://www.sympato.ch/smileys/Whistle.gif[/url])
That is another discussion. We are discussing pet peeves here not the future of cricket. :D
@edge you don't want to be caught on the wrong side of history on this one; don't oppose progress, embrace it. :D
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Rain,dark nights,cold, no clay in Oxfordshire soil,red kites (been attacked twice now),cheap balls
People using up loads of overs, bowling and batting, instead of letting me use them up.(joking honestly)
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Players who say they can't afford there match fee then sink six pints in the the bar.
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Players who claim they can't afford there match fee and then sink six pints in the bar.
When the clocks go back.
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PLEASE READ THIS AS A RANT!!!!!
With my groundsman's hat on, I hate batsmen who come out to bat and scratch a 3 foot long mark when taking guard. As I spend the following Monday filling 8 Bl**dy holes, which take hours, and for what. They see some superstar do it on TV and think "Ow that will make me a better player, just like him", No it will not. Why does any of them need a 3 foot scratch mark to know where there guard is, most of them are not out there long enough to use the damn mark? What will make them a better player is to watch the BALL
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no clay in Oxfordshire soil
There is Clay but it is under 8ft of gravel
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PLEASE READ THIS AS A RANT!!!!!
With my groundsman's hat on, I hate batsmen who come out to bat and scratch a 3 foot long mark when taking guard. As I spend the following Monday filling 8 Bl**dy holes, which take hours, and for what. They see some superstar do it on TV and think "Ow that will make me a better player, just like him", No it will not. Why does any of them need a 3 foot scratch mark to know where there guard is, most of them are not out there long enough to use the damn mark? What will make them a better player is to watch the BALL
Would it help to permanently paint the guard lines on the pitch so that batsmen don't scratch? On astroturf pitches, we use chalk to mark our guard and it works. Only problem with chalk is that there is always some dung-heap who wants to write over your guard mark. :D
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Would it help to permanently paint the guard lines on the pitch so that batsmen don't scratch? On astroturf pitches, we use chalk to mark our guard and it works. Only problem with chalk is that there is always some dung-heap who wants to write over your guard mark. :D
As long as you do it 3ft long and at a slight angle to replicate the mark that would have been scratched...
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whats wrong with tapping a mark with the bottom of the bat? Why do you need a plough furrow? They are a bi*ch to fill, I hate them!!!
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I also find that people who do that generally bat no where near there mark either
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whats wrong with tapping a mark with the bottom of the bat? Why do you need a plough furrow? They are a bi*ch to fill, I hate them!!!
What about doing a Shiv and using one of the bails? ;)
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PLEASE READ THIS AS A RANT!!!!!
With my groundsman's hat on, I hate batsmen who come out to bat and scratch a 3 foot long mark when taking guard. As I spend the following Monday filling 8 Bl**dy holes, which take hours, and for what. They see some superstar do it on TV and think "Ow that will make me a better player, just like him", No it will not. Why does any of them need a 3 foot scratch mark to know where there guard is, most of them are not out there long enough to use the damn mark? What will make them a better player is to watch the BALL
I don't mind, but when I come in to bat 11, 10 guys have had their say on what is leg stump. Some of them aren't even on the square. It's like trying to understand the early universe looking down at that mess.
This is why I'm rubbish. Because I bat on 1.712468 legs.
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Boring keepers who just won’t engage in polite conversation!
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Wicket Keepers not wearing long sleeves
Bowlers not wearing short sleeves
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People who say everything is village
People who moan about whats happening but will not do the job themselves.
This thing about keepers needing long sleeve tops.
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Bowlers not wearing short sleeves
What about spinners?
It's much easier to disguise a 15.67 degree bend in your arm when you've got a long sleeve shirt on...
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100% guilty on the long guard (although 3 foot is a bit much), but there's plenty of perfectly good reasons for doing it!
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100% guilty on the long guard (although 3 foot is a bit much), but there's plenty of perfectly good reasons for doing it!
No there is not!!!! take your guard so you know where off stump is and then bat. unless your willing to fill the hole after the game stop doing it. They are a total bu*ger to repair.
One good reason for taking a small mark as a guard, is that you can use the fact you can't find it to hold the bowler up by asking for the umpire to give you middle again, bowlers hate it.
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Angry people in cricket
That is me know!!
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No, no...you're quite right to tell off a forum member Jason.
Dr edge is frantically trying to find a reason for a 3 foot guard trenching the pitch so it looks like a combine 'arvestor has been over it
And there is no reason at all. A simple scratch on leg or middle with one spike of the boot is perfectly adequate
Our groundsman , now happily retired from putting up with us, often went onto the pitch mid game to give these trench diggers a right telling off. And rightly so
He told me how to make my mark at about 15 years old and I was too scared to change it in adult life.
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No there is not!!!! take your guard so you know where off stump is and then bat. unless your willing to fill the hole after the game stop doing it. They are a total bu*ger to repair.
One good reason for taking a small mark as a guard, is that you can use the fact you can't find it to hold the bowler up by asking for the umpire to give you middle again, bowlers hate it.
I'm not guilty of doing a large mark but I'm guilty of remarking twice at the end of each over. It's the only superstition I have in cricket. Our groundsman quite often is umpiring when I bat and makes his feelings well known! :S
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I'm quite fidgety at the crease so like to re-mark my guard after hitting a boundary/a play and miss/a crap shot/at the end of the over. What starts as a fairly small mark may grow if I bat for any length of time (not that it happens very often...)
I also have a habbit of running my bat along the popping crease (I allegedly do this after running, hitting a boundary or at the end of an over, but I didn't know I did that until a teammate started taking the piss out of me for it, so God knows what else I do that winds up the groundsman... :-[
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Our groundsman , now happily retired from putting up with us, often went onto the pitch mid game to give these trench diggers a right telling off. And rightly so
He told me how to make my mark at about 15 years old and I was too scared to change it in adult life.
Ha! You beat me to it. A "Braveheart" style charge by the groundsman towards the offensive dungpile would be enough to scare rest of the entitled ninnies straight! Some of their shenanigans...sheesh!!
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I take it when The forum 'diggers/markers' are remarking their guard at the end of the over/twice/after a boundary/after a fart
They are not actually asking the umpire again for a guard? Surely that would be just crazy...if anyone wants to own up to that go ahead.
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And another thing, not sure if it's been mentioned I stumbled upon this thread just now looking for the Chris woakes is rubbish one
Players who take leg guard....and then ask the umpire for middle (!) same batsman two different guards
But why? Am I missing something?
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I do that to bowlers bowling round the wicket @ppccopener
If it's either right arm round or left arm over I take leg even though my usual guard is middle
To all other bowling my back foot is on middle and front foot on somewhere near 2 leg as I'm open when I bat, but for left arm over or right arm round I take leg as well to make sure my front foot is on leg so i make sure I've opened myself up enough for the angle and stop closing myself off, which helps me to not play round straight ones
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Ah yes I get that totally Tom what I meant was when a batsman first comes in, pretty sure one of my team mates does it
There's obviously a reason but I've no idea what it is.
I've also seen a guard on the popping crease(fine obviously) then the same guard a foot down the wicket! Don't get that either!
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Tsk, tar me with all the brushes why don't you ;) I like a decent length of neat one spike guard for several reasons - getting a nice neat line sorted when I arrive at the crease settles the nerves nicely (though that goes straight out the window if I'm in lower down and the pitch is scraped to hell already), and I like it to be a decent length partly because alignment is important so I want to know where both feet are, and because I move in and out of the crease a lot to mess with bowlers' lengths, and it does tend to spoil the surprise if you have to remark your guard when you move out the crease!
On a related note, using running spikes to bat in last season was a revelation in my guard marking, so easy to get a nice line with a smaller spike.
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Last coupla games at the end of this season, I stopped asking for a guard.
The first time, there was a huge trench that wound me up beyond belief, I just couldn't bring myself to ask for a guard, and the second time, I just thought sod it, might confuse the oppos into thinking I couldn't bat,,,,hmmm,
My guards always been rubbish, I've always taken middle and kindly left all my stumps on view, batting a foot outside leg
It is a very very annoying habit for batsmen to dig trenches, always baffled me a bit as to why they feel the need, but hey ho
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Excessive appealing, boardering on cheating every time ball passes the bat or hits a pad screaming for a wicket.
Crap teas - we put on a full spread hot and cold foods, cakes, pastries sweet and savoury and hate it when you rock up with a sandwich each and a pack of good knows what crisps and that’s tea.
Trousers tucked into socks just looks crap
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People who say everything is village
People who moan about whats happening but will not do the job themselves.
This thing about keepers needing long sleeve tops.
This is my biggest pet peeve, few years back I was organising new playing shirts for example and everybody is messaging every day "when are the new shirts coming" "have you not sorted the new kit yet" when not one other person offers to help. All the jobs get left to the same few people and I don't know why I let it get me mad because it happens every year and has done since the dawn of time.
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Not a trench digger, but do like to mark a long guard with a single spike, mostly because - as like Edge- I like to use the crease a lot when batting and saves asking for a new guard every time you adjust your position. also saves remarking it because some teammate has trampled all over it or bashed it to pieces marking his guard with the toe of his bat.
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Standard @Northern monkey. With everything in life.
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Cherries, dings or a riding grip.
These things should all be removed/sorted as soon as possible. If I see anyone using a bat with a badly applied grip I assume they're a savage...
Players who take the field with grass stains on there whites dirty pads gloves and scruffy kit.
You guys would have an aneurysm if you saw the state of my kit :D
Players who say they can't afford there match fee then sink six pints in the the bar.
Guys who keep getting there/their wrong. Sure sign that they don't know what they're talking about.
No IMO he needs to step up for England away from the UK.
See? ;)
PLEASE READ THIS AS A RANT!!!!!
With my groundsman's hat on, I hate batsmen who come out to bat and scratch a 3 foot long mark when taking guard. As I spend the following Monday filling 8 Bl**dy holes, which take hours, and for what. They see some superstar do it on TV and think "Ow that will make me a better player, just like him", No it will not. Why does any of them need a 3 foot scratch mark to know where there guard is, most of them are not out there long enough to use the damn mark? What will make them a better player is to watch the BALL
In addition to having the scruffiest looking bats, with cherries and dirt on the willow, a grip that doesn't quite fit properly and enough fibreglass tape wrapped around the toe to make it bulletproof, I will finish my triggering of the CBF crew by telling you that I have never marked my guard in my life.
You are the closest person to the stumps, just pick one and stand in front of it you numpties.
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People that take the game far too seriously when playing and resort to abuse and insulting of opponents/teammates....
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Especially at lower village standard
And they are usually trying to disguise their inabilities
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You guys would have an aneurysm if you saw the state of my kit :D
Guys who keep getting there/their wrong. Sure sign that they don't know what they're talking about.
See? ;)
In addition to having the scruffiest looking bats, with cherries and dirt on the willow, a grip that doesn't quite fit properly and enough fibreglass tape wrapped around the toe to make it bulletproof, I will finish my triggering of the CBF crew by telling you that I have never marked my guard in my life.
You are the closest person to the stumps, just pick one and stand in front of it you numpties.
Nothing wrong with marking your guard knowing where your off stump is giving yourself an opportunity to protect them and score runs for your team.
Players that can't be bothered usually don't stay at the crease long and aren't very good cricketers.
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Nothing wrong with marking your guard knowing where your off stump is giving yourself an opportunity to protect them and score runs for your team.
Players that can't be bothered usually don't stay at the crease long and aren't very good cricketers.
Not always. Looks can be deceiving!
I've seen a bloke with the scruffiest kit going walk out, not bother with a guard and blitz a chanceless hundred off 50 odd balls.
Equally I've seen a lot of players go out in their fully matching kit looking the part, who actually spend longer marking their guard than they do batting during their innings...
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Not always. Looks can be deceiving!
I've seen a bloke with the scruffiest kit going walk out, not bother with a guard and blitz a chanceless hundred off 50 odd balls.
Equally I've seen a lot of players go out in their fully matching kit looking the part, who actually spend longer marking their guard than they do batting during their innings...
Your right Cam looks can be deceiving and yes you can blitz an hundred without a guard but you fail more times than succeed also many that bat without taking guard don't have a defence without one or if they can't be bothered don't long term make very good batters
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You don't need to make a mark in the ground to know that you're standing in front off middle stump.
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Anyone who understands batting will tell you marking a mark is not just about knowing your standing in front of middle off or leg stump.( off or leg stump is either side of middle).
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Anyone who understands batting will tell you marking a mark is not just about knowing your you're standing in front of middle off or leg stump.( off or leg stump is either side of middle).
#AttentionToDetail ;)
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#AttentionToDetail ;)
I think we should both take a seat, we're about to get a lesson from the Don himself here ;)
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I think we should both take a seat, we're about to get a lesson from the Don himself here ;)
Not from me as a lesson is only of value if the person who recieves it is willing to learn.
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Not from me as a lesson is only of value if the person who recieves it is willing to learn.
Oh come on, if there is a genuine reason why marking my guard will make me a better batsman then I'm all ears.
You don't need to make a mark in the ground to make sure you stand in the same place before the ball is bowled and if it's a psychological trick to get yourself into a routine or clear your mind then there are other (possible more effective?) ways of doing that too.
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Oh come on, if there is a genuine reason why marking my guard will make me a better batsman then I'm all ears.
You don't need to make a mark in the ground to make sure you stand in the same place before the ball is bowled and if it's a psychological trick to get yourself into a routine or clear your mind then there are other (possible more effective?) ways of doing that too.
As your all ears
when a batsman takes guard makes a mark it is not only the legitimate time they can put two fingers up to the umpire you take guard so you know where your stumps in your stance at the crease this is important because when when a batsman knows where his stumps are they know what balls to play and what balls to leave in defence of there wicket
Also by fine tuning your guard on a particular stump or stumps it assists a your scoring areas.
Hope that helps.
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As your all ears
when a batsman takes guard makes a mark it is not only the legitimate time they can put two fingers up to the umpire you take guard so you know where your stumps in your stance at the crease this is important because when when a batsman knows where his stumps are they know what balls to play and what balls to leave in defence of there wicket
Also by fine tuning your guard on a particular stump or stumps it assists a your scoring areas.
Hope that helps.
Right, but the point is that you can do all of that without having to make a mark in the ground.
I hope anybody that needs the millimetre precision that comes with digging a small trench at the crease doesn't have a trigger movement because oh boy, all those boys and girls are wasting their time every time they mark their guard.
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Pet hate, being hounded when people need something from you yet when you need something from them they're AWOL.
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Right, but the point is that you can do all of that without having to make a mark in the ground.
I hope anybody that needs the millimetre precision that comes with digging a small trench at the crease doesn't have a trigger movement because oh boy, all those boys and girls are wasting their time every time they mark their guard.
Ok I'm curious as to what's your method then, as having a simple visual aid to get you set up seems the easiest and quickest to me. Whether you trigger or not starting from the same point each time aids consistency.
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Ok I'm curious as to what's your method then, as having a simple visual aid to get you set up seems the easiest and quickest to me. Whether you trigger or not starting from the same point each time aids consistency.
The reason I mentioned trigger movements is because it's humanly impossible to repeat the exact same trigger movement every single time. Sometimes it will vary by half an inch, sometimes by a couple of inches, sometimes it'll be even more than that because of adrenaline, fatigue, premeditation etc.
The longer you play cricket, the more your trigger movement changes or becomes more exaggerated and yet most people still use the same guard that they've been scratching out for years.
Now we're all agreed that one of, if not the, main aims when taking guard is to make sure you know where your off-stump is right? Insisting on machine-like precision when marking your guard in the ground and then tossing it all out of the window with a trigger movement that is impossible to repeat with that same level of precision is just a waste of time.
Even more so when the umpire at the other end is going "No, closer to you, a bit more, a bit closer again, no that's too far move it away now...no that's where you started, oh sod it who cares yeah that's middle and leg" and let's not forget that unless you are opening the batting in the first innings of the game by the time you get to the crease it's such a mess that there is no way you can scratch out a decent guard anyway.
So to sum up:
1) When you ask the umpire for your guard you're going to get a slightly different answer each time.
2) Once the umpire goes "Yep, you've got it" and you move your bat away and replace it with your foot so you can carve a trench with your spikes you've introduced another margin for error into the proceedings.
3) If you've got a trigger movement then your feet are in slightly different spots when every single ball is bowled even if you start from exactly the same spot every time, which you aren't.
I take guard on leg stump (My bat is on the ground in my stance so this gets my eyes in line with off-stump) and all I do is look down and use my eyes to put my bat and toes in the right spot. That's more than accurate enough for any of us.
We can pick the difference between a leg-break and a googly in a fraction of a second from 22 yards away and get in line with a ball coming down at 70+ mph but your eyes aren't good enough to judge if you're in line with a stump which is an arms length away? ;)
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I understand your point and to a large degree I agree. I also find it odd that people ask for their guard with their bat and then move it to scratch it in with their spike. How accurate will that be?????
I do often open and tap in a mark at the crease, but I'm also a crease tapper and that makes a mark parallel with the stumps about 6 inches behind the crease. I find this mark stays my whole innings and then it provides a good reference point if I want to move to a different guard and I don't need to ask the umpire.
If you don't ask for a guard the suspicion is you're a bit of a slogger or a total rabbit.
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The reason I mentioned trigger movements is because it's humanly impossible to repeat the exact same trigger movement every single time. Sometimes it will vary by half an inch, sometimes by a couple of inches, sometimes it'll be even more than that because of adrenaline, fatigue, premeditation etc.
The longer you play cricket, the more your trigger movement changes or becomes more exaggerated and yet most people still use the same guard that they've been scratching out for years.
Now we're all agreed that one of, if not the, main aims when taking guard is to make sure you know where your off-stump is right? Insisting on machine-like precision when marking your guard in the ground and then tossing it all out of the window with a trigger movement that is impossible to repeat with that same level of precision is just a waste of time.
Even more so when the umpire at the other end is going "No, closer to you, a bit more, a bit closer again, no that's too far move it away now...no that's where you started, oh sod it who cares yeah that's middle and leg" and let's not forget that unless you are opening the batting in the first innings of the game by the time you get to the crease it's such a mess that there is no way you can scratch out a decent guard anyway.
So to sum up:
1) When you ask the umpire for your guard you're going to get a slightly different answer each time.
2) Once the umpire goes "Yep, you've got it" and you move your bat away and replace it with your foot so you can carve a trench with your spikes you've introduced another margin for error into the proceedings.
3) If you've got a trigger movement then your feet are in slightly different spots when every single ball is bowled even if you start from exactly the same spot every time, which you aren't.
I take guard on leg stump (My bat is on the ground in my stance so this gets my eyes in line with off-stump) and all I do is look down and use my eyes to put my bat and toes in the right spot. That's more than accurate enough for any of us.
We can pick the difference between a leg-break and a googly in a fraction of a second from 22 yards away and get in line with a ball coming down at 70+ mph but your eyes aren't good enough to judge if you're in line with a stump which is an arms length away? ;)
I stopped scratching a guard for these reasons, I try not to trigger and stay fairly upright in my stance so I just line my toes up with middle as best I can and go from there, my thinking being that hopefully this brings my bat down on off stump and I should know where all my stumps are.
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Right, but the point is that you can do all of that without having to make a mark in the ground.
I hope anybody that needs the millimetre precision that comes with digging a small trench at the crease doesn't have a trigger movement because oh boy, all those boys and girls are wasting their time every time they mark their guard.
You don't need to make your mark by digging a small trench also the mention of trigger movements is somewhat digressing from the original point of the reason why batsman mark a guard .
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Idiots driving by the ground screaming out "owwwzzaaaattttt!"...
Yep, never heard that one before!
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I understand your point and to a large degree I agree. I also find it odd that people ask for their guard with their bat and then move it to scratch it in with their spike. How accurate will that be?????
I do often open and tap in a mark at the crease, but I'm also a crease tapper and that makes a mark parallel with the stumps about 6 inches behind the crease. I find this mark stays my whole innings and then it provides a good reference point if I want to move to a different guard and I don't need to ask the umpire.
If you don't ask for a guard the suspicion is you're a bit of a slogger or a total rabbit.
Yup! Then add the fact that whether your guard is accurate depends on whether the umpire is stood exactly in the same spot, it's all a mess.
As for the slogger/rabbit assumptions, good. Makes it funnier when you cream a textbook cover drive for four ;)
Well, that's what I assume. I'm still waiting for that moment...
You don't need to make your mark by digging a small trench also the mention of trigger movements is somewhat digressing from the original point of the reason why batsman mark a guard .
Right but you still haven't explained why making a mark of any sort is better than using your own eyes.
As for the trigger movement point being a digression, when it's so obviously counter-productive to the aims of taking guard then it absolutely is relevant to the discussion.
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Bowler asking the captain for 2 slip, gully, point and spraying everything down the leg side.
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I don't have many pet hates, but there's nothing worse than getting caught by a fella wearing black trainers.
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I don't have many pet hates, but there's nothing worse than getting caught by a fella wearing black trainers.
I played in a pre season warm up last season I got to about 15 and pushed one down the ground to mid on's left hand. There was a kid about 14 fielding their in black trainers I thought he won't be much good, there's an easy quick single there. Only for him to swoop down pick up one handed and run me out with a direct hit and the bowlers end. Lesson Learnt
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I don't have many pet hates, but there's nothing worse than getting caught by a fella wearing black trainers.
Actually there is, getting caught by a bloke wearing black trainers with grey trackies and a white polo shirt...
Not speaking from personal experience, but I was worried the teammate involved was going to top himself!
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Actually there is, getting caught by a bloke wearing black trainers with grey trackies and a white polo shirt...
Not speaking from personal experience, but I was worried the teammate involved was going to top himself!
I hope he juggled the catch for ten seconds before finally holding on!! :D
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I don't have many pet hates, but there's nothing worse than getting caught by a fella wearing black trainers.
Similar to this, I got my opening partner run out second ball of the match. I pushed what looked like an easy single to left of a big, older gent who was wearing a polo at cover. Call for one and look across half way down the pitch only to see him move round with the speed of usian bolt, one hand pick up and directly hit the stumps. I guess there was a reason he was fielding at cover! Lesson learnt.
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Digging this thread out to express my irritation at anyone who misses the 'in' off 'knocked in'. Do suspect it's mostly people whose first language isn't English, but still does my head in and seems to be becoming more common.
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Digging this thread out to express my irritation at anyone who misses the 'in' off 'knocked in'. Do suspect it's mostly people whose first language isn't English, but still does my head in and seems to be becoming more common.
Oh thank god someone finally said it . Never a truer word has been spoken .
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"This bat has been fully knocked".
"So , what did you do , throw mum jokes at it , insult its intelligence, point out how fat it is , or just hurl generic abuse at it "?
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Actually there is, getting caught by a bloke wearing black trainers with grey trackies and a white polo shirt...
Not speaking from personal experience, but I was worried the teammate involved was going to top himself!
You can always tell the good cricketers at mid-week or Sunday cricket, because they're the ones who aren't wearing cricket kit.
a) because its in the wash after scoring a chanceless ton and taking a 6-fer on Saturday
b) because they see this standard of cricket as a bit of fun, so there's no point getting their whites dirty
The guys who turn out in full whites for a T20 or Sunday friendly, you can rest assured that this is probably the highest standard of cricket they play.
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You can always tell the good cricketers at mid-week or Sunday cricket, because they're the ones who aren't wearing cricket kit.
a) because its in the wash after scoring a chanceless ton and taking a 6-fer on Saturday
b) because they see this standard of cricket as a bit of fun, so there's no point getting their whites dirty
The guys who turn out in full whites for a T20 or Sunday friendly, you can rest assured that this is probably the highest standard of cricket they play.
Our T20 league demands full whites for some reason, can't bowl if you're not in full whites.
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You can always tell the good cricketers at mid-week or Sunday cricket, because they're the ones who aren't wearing cricket kit.
a) because its in the wash after scoring a chanceless ton and taking a 6-fer on Saturday
b) because they see this standard of cricket as a bit of fun, so there's no point getting their whites dirty
The guys who turn out in full whites for a T20 or Sunday friendly, you can rest assured that this is probably the highest standard of cricket they play.
This is just wrong...
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You can always tell the good cricketers at mid-week or Sunday cricket, because they're the ones who aren't wearing cricket kit.
a) because its in the wash after scoring a chanceless ton and taking a 6-fer on Saturday
b) because they see this standard of cricket as a bit of fun, so there's no point getting their whites dirty
The guys who turn out in full whites for a T20 or Sunday friendly, you can rest assured that this is probably the highest standard of cricket they play.
Rooobish. Literally never seen this happen, no matter how casual the cricket.
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@SLA perhaps the people who wear full whites on Sundays or midweek have multiple sets? ;)
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Could be right for some people I suppose, have seen a few very good players wearing some ropey kit in midweek cricket, generally though most wear whites regardless of ability.
Personally I've got (more than) a few bits of kit, but if I hadn't washed that wouldn't stop me wearing them for a T20 and rocking up with grass stains at the start of the game.
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Our T20 league demands full whites for some reason, can't bowl if you're not in full whites.
That's ridiculous. Do they allow coloured kit? Sounds like they're stuck in the 1960s. I've been playing T20 for over 20 years and I don't think I've ever worn whites once.
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Rooobish. Literally never seen this happen, no matter how casual the cricket.
Maybe you just play in games featuring 22 all-the-gear-no-idea types?
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This is just wrong...
I'm amazed how many people are unaware of this. Its so common its basically a cliché. "you know what they say, beware the batsman in beige shorts" is a common phrase uttered around cricket grounds all over the country.
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I'm amazed how many people are unaware of this. Its so common its basically a cliché. "you know what they say, beware the batsman in beige shorts" is a common phrase uttered around cricket grounds all over the country.
Maybe you just play in games featuring 22 all-the-gear-no-idea types?
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We played against Shaun Udal last year. Nice bloke. I won't tell you what he was wearing, you can all guess.
Who here thinks an ex-England cricketer would rock up to a recreational T20 game in full whites like a complete noob?
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I'm amazed how many people are unaware of this. Its so common its basically a cliché. "you know what they say, beware the batsman in beige shorts" is a common phrase uttered around cricket grounds all over the country.
and you almost had me until this post...
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@SLA who do you play for?
We've played against Udal's current club this year, but I believe he may have recently moved.
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"As always,I'm going to work my way from the toe,to the base of the (fully embossed) stickers/decals"
Winds me up a tad...!
This is infuriates me
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@SLA who do you play for?
We've played against Udal's current club this year, but I believe he may have recently moved.
A couple of different clubs in Cambridge. I don't think Udal lives round here here, for some reason he made a guest appearance for one of our regular mid-week opponents.
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and you almost had me until this post...
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You've honestly never heard that phrase? And you're based in the UK?
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A couple of different clubs in Cambridge. I don't think Udal lives round here here, for some reason he made a guest appearance for one of our regular mid-week opponents.
Ah, okay.
I believe he's associated to a club in Basingstoke this year, you're not "just up the road" from me as I was expecting!
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You've honestly never heard that phrase? And you're based in the UK?
Nope, not that or anything close to it! I did actually play a midweek game earlier this season where a chap in the beige shorts and cricket shirt combo scored quite a good 30rtd, but everyone else who got wickets or runs in that game was in full whites. You know, like what people who play cricket wear to play cricket.
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Ah, okay.
I believe he's associated to a club in Basingstoke this year, you're not "just up the road" from me as I was expecting!
Cambridge is a great place to play cricket. We were discussing in the pub last night that we must have the best cricket pitch/population ratio in the entire UK, with 30-40 proper grass pitches within a 5-mile radius of the city centre (we couldn't quite figure out the exact number). Yet you try to book a pitch for a midweek game between May and August - they're all booked up by February every year.
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That's ridiculous. Do they allow coloured kit? Sounds like they're stuck in the 1960s. I've been playing T20 for over 20 years and I don't think I've ever worn whites once.
Nope no coloured kit allowed, I'm captain of our side and I wouldn't demand the oppo play with ten if one player wasn't in whites but it's a league rule that all players must wear a white shirt and only players in full whites can bowl. I suspect the reason is that we play with a red ball rather than a white one.
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Another thread where SLA seems to be playing a completely different sport to the rest of us...
First the idea of not opening with your best bowlers in order to trick the opposition into blocking.
Now apparently the best cricketers don't wear whites because they would look like they're trying too hard.
Can I have some of whatever you're imbibing?
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Nope no coloured kit allowed, I'm captain of our side and I wouldn't demand the oppo play with ten if one player wasn't in whites but it's a league rule that all players must wear a white shirt and only players in full whites can bowl. I suspect the reason is that we play with a red ball rather than a white one.
We've been using pink balls for midweek cricket for a few years now. Much better visibility.
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If a ball manufacturer can develop a pink ball that behaves months same way as a red one, then they would be the most sensible ball for use in all forms of amateur cricket where visibility can be an issue at a lot of grounds, more so for the fielders than the batsmen
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If a ball manufacturer can develop a pink ball that behaves months same way as a red one, then they would be the most sensible ball for use in all forms of amateur cricket where visibility can be an issue at a lot of grounds, more so for the fielders than the batsmen
That’s the problem it’s very unlikely. Even in test cricket when they use the pink ball it doesn’t do act anything like a red ball once it gets scuffed up
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My experience of pink balls in cup competitions is that they behave like cheap red balls - they swing from the start but lose that swing very early.
I am sure that with time and if demand increases that a pink ball will be developed that is suitable for league cricket
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A couple of different clubs in Cambridge. I don't think Udal lives round here here, for some reason he made a guest appearance for one of our regular mid-week opponents.
which clubs? which leagues?
I play in the cambridge area and ive never seen teams in non-whites even t20 and my leagues are relatively low standard.
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which clubs? which leagues?
I play in the cambridge area and ive never seen teams in non-whites even t20 and my leagues are relatively low standard.
Awesome, Do you mind if I ask you a couple of questions to figure out what kind of cricket you're involved in?
1) What is the AP list and how long is it?
2) Why might you text Martyn?
3) Who plays at Fitz on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?
4) What is new about the BHL this year?
5) What pub would you go to if you wanted to find a cricketer at 10pm on a Monday night?
6) Who are the Crocodiles?
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Awesome, Do you mind if I ask you a couple of questions to figure out what kind of cricket you're involved in?
1) What is the AP list and how long is it?
2) Why might you text Martyn?
3) Who plays at Fitz on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?
4) What is new about the BHL this year?
5) What pub would you go to if you wanted to find a cricketer at 10pm on a Monday night?
6) Who are the Crocodiles?
Rather than answering all these dumb questions let me make it easy. I play village cricket (CCA junior leagues).
If I had to make a wild guess based on your bizarre approach to answering a simple question I would put money on you playing for a Cambridge college team. However, I would still be genuinely interested to know which leagues/teams have players that never wear whites.
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Rather than answering all these dumb questions let me make it easy. I play village cricket (CCA junior leagues).
If I had to make a wild guess based on your bizarre approach to answering a simple question I would put money on you playing for a Cambridge college team. However, I would still be genuinely interested to know which leagues/teams have players that never wear whites.
So how much mid-week cricket do you actually play in Cambridge? Not much, by the sounds of it.
and no, I don't play for a college team. I'm trying to ascertain the extent to which you are trolling. Anyone who has played cricket in Cambridge would know the answer to all of those questions, so given your refusal to answer them, I'm yet to be convinced you're not just winding us up.
and to be clear, the phenomenon of good cricketers turning out for a game of mid-week cricket whilst wearing trainers/shorts/club training shirts/etc is not Cambridge-specific. It was also very common in the midlands when I played there, and I would imagine its pretty common everywhere in the country.
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So how much mid-week cricket do you actually play in Cambridge? Not much, by the sounds of it.
and no, I don't play for a college team. I'm trying to ascertain the extent to which you are trolling. Anyone who has played cricket in Cambridge would know the answer to all of those questions, so given your refusal to answer them, I'm yet to be convinced you're not just winding us up.
and to be clear, the phenomenon of good cricketers turning out for a game of mid-week cricket whilst wearing trainers/shorts/club training shirts/etc is not Cambridge-specific. It was also very common in the midlands when I played there, and I would imagine its pretty common everywhere in the country.
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this is an unbelievable thread :)
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I'm not trolling. People really do play cricket in t-shirts, polo shirts, shorts, tracksuits, all the time. Literally every mid-week game I have played in the past 20 years has featured at least 2-3 people wearing non-standard kit, usually the best players on each side. What on earth would I have to gain from making this up?
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this is an unbelievable thread :)
couldn't agree more mate :o :( :o
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So how much mid-week cricket do you actually play in Cambridge? Not much, by the sounds of it.
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I'm trying to ascertain the extent to which you are trolling.
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Anyone who has played cricket in Cambridge would know the answer to all of those questions,
not as much cricket as you clearly, but I have played every weds for the past 3 years and perhaps seen one player in shorts in that time. (except perhaps for juniors just getting into the game.
not trolling at all - whats to troll? I just wanted to know what club/league you had experienced this lack of whites as it is such a different experience to my own. Seem a bit defensive!
As to the questions -
The reason I have not tried to answer them is that they are either so specific as to make no sense to most people (including me) or so unclear that they could mean anything. You are aware I assume that there is cricket going on other than your specific league in the cambridge area? Perhaps you play in a microenvironment of the city itself where people might know who plays at fitzwilliam on a monday night but none of the teams I play against do. We do have games at robinson, clare, and (I think) jesus on saturdays but that does not help me answer your question does it?
I could very easily ask you a bunch of odd questions about my league that you would not be able to answer - I would not assume this meant you are not local, just that you are unfamiliar with some extremely specific facts regarding a league you do not play in.
anyhow - if you dont want to share thats fine - no skin off my nose. Good luck for the rest of your season.
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not as much cricket as you clearly, but I have played every weds for the past 3 years and perhaps seen one player in shorts in that time. (except perhaps for juniors just getting into the game.
not trolling at all - whats to troll? I just wanted to know what club/league you had experienced this lack of whites as it is such a different experience to my own. Seem a bit defensive!
As to the questions -
The reason I have not tried to answer them is that they are either so specific as to make no sense to most people (including me) or so unclear that they could mean anything. You are aware I assume that there is cricket going on other than your specific league in the cambridge area? Perhaps you play in a microenvironment of the city itself where people might know who plays at fitzwilliam on a monday night but none of the teams I play against do. We do have games at robinson, clare, and (I think) jesus on saturdays but that does not help me answer your question does it?
I could very easily ask you a bunch of odd questions about my league that you would not be able to answer - I would not assume this meant you are not local, just that you are unfamiliar with some extremely specific facts regarding a league you do not play in.
anyhow - if you dont want to share thats fine - no skin off my nose. Good luck for the rest of your season.
I was trying to figure out what league you were talking about. As such, the first two questions were about the CCA. You say you play in the that league, but you don't know what the AP list is and you don't know who Martyn is?
Are you sure you play in the CCA? In Cambridge, England? The CCA I am talking about is a Saturday league, not a Wednesday league.
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@SLA , would it not just be easier to name what team you play for?
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@SLA , would it not just be easier to name what team you play for?
I've played for nine different teams in four different regions of the UK over the course of ~15 years since leaving school at everything from County Prem/ University 1sts down to the lowest levels of filthy amateur cricket, but I'm not really sure why the names of any of them are particularly relevant to this discussion.
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Not sure why I am persisting with this but here goes... - perhaps AP stands for available players? the loan of players system? - If this is correct I am not a captain so does not concern me. Ive never looked at it and probably never will.
Martin is not martin livermore then? - thought Id already answered that one. again as non-captain I dont need to deal with admin issues such as sending in the scorecards/results.
Ive already explained that I play in the CCA junior leagues - Junior 1.
So, at the risk of repeating myself - are you willing to share which midweek league regularly has large numbers of players turning up in casual kit? ...... In fact - never mind. I don't actually care that much. life is too short.
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Not sure why I am persisting with this but here goes... - perhaps AP stands for available players? the loan of players system? - If this is correct I am not a captain so does not concern me. Ive never looked at it and probably never will.
Martin is not martin livermore then? - thought Id already answered that one. again as non-captain I dont need to deal with admin issues such as sending in the scorecards/results.
Ive already explained that I play in the CCA junior leagues - Junior 1.
So, at the risk of repeating myself - are you willing to share which midweek league regularly has large numbers of players turning up in casual kit? ...... In fact - never mind. I don't actually care that much. life is too short.
CCA J1 is a Saturday league, not a midweek league.
Let's be clear, you're the one that started this, by expressing profound disbelief at the veracity of my statement, as it couldn't possibly be true as you played cricket somewhere in the region of Cambridge and had never personally witnessed this in the league you play in which you don't seem to be able to think of the name of. This was a little childish, seeing as you clearly don't play much midweek stuff in Cambridge at all, so its quite likely that there could be a whole lot of cricket going on that you were completely unaware of.
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Pet hate - two people who continue a pointless argument over a forum. Private message eachother or knock it on the head. It really doesn’t matter
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Becoming even more of a farce than Shaun Udal's Mum forgetting to wash his whites again before that big game for the Dog and Duck.
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Tell you what, this is a great advert for the CCA.
I just need to get on the blower to Martyn, head down the Fitz on Tuesday night and make sure my name's not on the AP first.
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well and truly knocked. :) apologies.
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Tell you what, this is a great advert for the CCA.
I just need to get on the blower to Martyn, head down the Fitz on Tuesday night and make sure my name's not on the AP first.
and remember to watch out for the Crocodiles mind, I hear they've been causing chaos amongst the punters on the Cam.