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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Kieron_BT on February 20, 2018, 10:36:47 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43127012 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43127012)
Next please!
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The end is nigh
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Hales is a clown for doing this. He is a good red ball player. Unless he has been told he won't play test cricket again, this is nuts.
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I am surprised but this too, seeing how shaky the England middle order is. He was never suited to open up but slotting in at 5 could have been an option for him at some point perhaps.
Odd
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Hales is a clown for doing this.
Thinking hasn't always been his strongest point though, has it?
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I feel like he should of had at least another season batting at 5 for Notts if he still wants to play test cricket. IIRC it was only at the end of the FC season he moved to 5. The England batting line-up is hardly concrete so a big 1,000+ run season (which he is capable of) could have put him in very good contention.
However if he doesn't want to play test cricket or the selectors think his time has passed (which is ridiculous for a bloke who is only 29) then he may as well manage his workload and make the most £ he can.
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For Sam northeast fans on the forum a small gap is appearing
Not remotely surprised about hales decision there will be more to follow
Butler odds on you would think
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For Sam northeast fans on the forum a small gap is appearing
Not remotely surprised about hales decision there will be more to follow
Butler odds on you would think
I am both a Hampshire fan, and a Northeast fan :)
Buttler and Morgan to be next, followed by Ball, Plunkett and Wood
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tgis could potentially help our test side, those players who do want to play test cricket will focus on that!
There will be a definitive split in English cricket white ball vs red ball
With very feeble players playing both even at county level I would imagine!
All of this seems a bit daft to me! Have no time for those who give up the chance to play test cricket for their country!
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It just seems so odd to have announced it now, rather than before the IPL auction. Makes no sense to announce it after he's not got a gig and will likely be kicking his heels for April & Early May.
He won't be able to play the CPL either, as it clashes with the Blast. I really just don't get it, unless it's just a pure lack of drive / ambition....
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Could this actually be an England cricket idea? They get slated for not allowing some of their short form only players to play CC around England games so this could be a more socially accepted way of doing it. It is certainly also these players forgetting the idea of playing test match cricket which isn’t great as it is another step closer to long form cricket being a background noise in English cricket.
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Overall it makes sense to me... he can focus on that format of the game and is own technique relative to it... which should open up opportunities to play in the bigger money tournaments towards the end of his career.. The timing might be a little odd but I'm assuming he has been told he doesn't feature in the test team plans.
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I am both a Hampshire fan, and a Northeast fan :)
Buttler and Morgan to be next, followed by Ball, Plunkett and Wood
Yes you would think those you mentioned are odds on.
Northeast is a very good player, if Vince does not score big in NZ there might be one gap this summer
Stone man looks good but needs runs as well
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Not surprised 1 bit about this.
For those saying that Hales had a shot at getting in the test side.... he might have done.... but the fact of it is that there are only 5 CC games before the 1st Test vs Pakistan on May 24th at Lords. So although it has been done before, you are relying on a lot of factors to get in that squad and therefore get 1st crack at this summers batting spot etc... and that's if Vince vacates it.
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Could this actually be an England cricket idea?
I suspect it is - you'll note that Hales has specifically referenced the 2019 world cup as his review date, and Rashid refered to Team England having been "pleased with" his decision. I hope this is not yet another example of the NAtional Squad stitching up the counties, because long term I suspect they will kill the domestic game that way.
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Just going to throw this out there, think before posting a ‘you are deluded’ comment.
Ben Stokes. Limited overs cricket only.
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Can someone fire Strauss already?
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For England?
Or as a freelance?
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Just going to throw this out there, think before posting a ‘you are deluded’ comment.
Ben Stokes. Limited overs cricket only.
I've had a think about it.
Are you deluded? ;)
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Can someone fire Strauss already?
wait a second....
I've been saying this for nearly two years, and been decried as a parochial Yorkshireman. What has changed? ;)
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wait a second....
I've been saying this for nearly two years, and been decried as a parochial Yorkshireman. What has changed? ;)
A very public and serious threat to the future of (the proper form of cricket) red ball cricket in England, at a decent standard anyway!
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Yes we have heard you :)
There are a lot of forums and comments being said and the England
Management are getting a pasting
As for Stokes....how committed is he to test cricket
We all want to see him play but is it realistic when the money is moving so fast to limited over and t20
Will there be anyone left ?
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wait a second....
I've been saying this for nearly two years, and been decried as a parochial Yorkshireman. What has changed? ;)
I decry you as a one-eyed yorkie because you think Bairstow is the second coming, have never disagreed on Strauss! ;)
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Hales has great temperament for club cricket. I don't know how he has survived cricket at the international level. Good riddance!
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He's fully entitled to make his decision and anyone complaining about his motives is an idiot.
This is his livelihood, he has a right to earn as much money as he can. He owes nothing to the club, much like Rashid.
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He's fully entitled to make his decision and anyone complaining about his motives is an idiot.
This is his livelihood, he has a right to earn as much money as he can. He owes nothing to the club, much like Rashid.
Trouble is with this logic - how does this earn him more money? He won't be available for any more overseas white ball tournaments than he is currently.
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Hales and Rashid have one day International contracts, as does butler/Plunkett/wood so it's these guys that will be following together you would think.
hales has released himself from all championship cricket, so he plays for England in limited over cricket, and for Notts
Apart from that he can play for whoever he wants if there are no Notts or England games.
That's as I understand it but please correct me if I'm wrong.He will of taken a pay cut from Notts, not that he is bothered you would not think.
Oddly enough....very oddly actually I read today Morgan is available for all cricket from the start of this season with Middlesex.
In the recent past, Morgan and Middlesex had an 'agreement' he was not picked. Whether he is/was good enough is a mute point, but he was not going to be selected in the past regardless.Looks like that might change for him.
Anyway, it's got to be Butler next. Personally I think it's a bit of a shame this is happening, but do you blame the players? Definitely not, sport is a short career, they cash in when they can.By opting out they might prolong their limited over careers.
I just worry about Stokes , he is a our diamond along with Root, I cannot see both playing all 3 forms of the game much longer.
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This is not a problem for the ECB Ban all white Ball only Contracts in the County System either play all forms of Cricket or kiss goodbye your international involvement
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Bye bye
Wasn’t ever going to be good enough technically or mentally for red ball Cricket. Ecb should cancel his contracts full stop and so should notts but both are mercenary so won’t care
Hopefully the likes of buttler and co follow suit as they simply aren’t good enough either so might as well get them out the picture
If they want to play IPL then just let them be guns for hire
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I can not blame them they have earned the right to do what they like.
They do not see cricket like most of us do..
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Central contract money isn't to bee sniffed at though, top boys are on a decent wedge aren't they. Isn't £700,000 about what they get, plus endorsements money, and is the match fee they get included in the700, 000? If not that's decent too and soon adds up, add to that the honour of representing your country at the highest level.
Can they not still play some of the high profile T20 stuff when possible and available?
Put that all together and that's plenty of money anyway, how much more they likely to earn if they just play white ball franchise stuff?
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I can not blame them they have earned the right to do what they like.
They do not see cricket like most of us do..
. Not blaming them at all they can go play in all the T20 Tournaments that are available to them but when it comes to Representing your Country select only from players that play in Red and White Ball Cricket and County Cricket and support the Growth of Cricket within the UK not just for your financial benefit. Because with out County Cricket these so called white ball only players would be no where without the Counties that have supported and nurtured them over the past 10 plus years
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. Not blaming them at all they can go play in all the T20 Tournaments that are available to them but when it comes to Representing your Country select only from players that play in Red and White Ball Cricket and County Cricket and support the Growth of Cricket within the UK not just for your financial benefit. Because with out County Cricket these so called white ball only players would be no where without the Counties that have supported and nurtured them over the past 10 plus years
How has that worked out for the West Indies?
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How has that worked out for the West Indies?
they've won the WT20 twice with their bunch of hired guns...
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Hales and Rashid have one day International contracts, as does butler/Plunkett/wood so it's these guys that will be following together you would think.
hales has released himself from all championship cricket, so he plays for England in limited over cricket, and for Notts
Apart from that he can play for whoever he wants if there are no Notts or England games.
That's as I understand it but please correct me if I'm wrong.He will of taken a pay cut from Notts, not that he is bothered you would not think.
Oddly enough....very oddly actually I read today Morgan is available for all cricket from the start of this season with Middlesex.
In the recent past, Morgan and Middlesex had an 'agreement' he was not picked. Whether he is/was good enough is a mute point, but he was not going to be selected in the past regardless.Looks like that might change for him.
Anyway, it's got to be Butler next. Personally I think it's a bit of a shame this is happening, but do you blame the players? Definitely not, sport is a short career, they cash in when they can.By opting out they might prolong their limited over careers.
I just worry about Stokes , he is a our diamond along with Root, I cannot see both playing all 3 forms of the game much longer.
Probably considered as a replacement for Malan, whom probably won't play too much for MCCC in the near future. And Morgan's basically got nothing else to do as he was snubbed in the IPL
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Hales giving up red ball cricket doesn't harm England in the slightest. Hales' first class record is modest at best. His Test returns where pretty pathetic, only looked the part against a truly ordinary Sri Lankan side. How ever 'weak' the middle order looks, there was never any chance Hales would be selected. Firstly Stokes bats at 5 when he available. Secondly I'd rather Roy be given an opportunity if a space became available rather than taking a backwards step with a tried flop like Hales.
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I’ve said it over and over again,,,Hales has been winging it,,he’s come through a system and shown a little ability
But unfortunately he lacks the extra ability to play competitive international cricket
And I seriously don’t believe this is all we have out there in English cricket
The talent must be out there, it’s down to the ECB to look at there coaching/academy/selection system
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Reece Topley will be playing white ball cricket only in 2018
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43212976 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43212976)
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He's still playing?
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Who?
More interestingly Jos butler interview in the guardian yesterday, he won't be adding his name to the one day specialists, he wants his test place back.....
I didn't see that coming. This is the wrong thread for tests but.....if bairstow played as a specialist batter?
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He is only 24
(http://i68.tinypic.com/35m1no0.jpg)
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@ppccopener I think there's a stronger case for YJB to take the gloves in the white ball side than there is to give them up in the red ball side
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Fair point in which case for white ball cricket for arguments sake YJB keeps and bats
You might then have butler or hales to pick from as a specialist batter.
Which one would you choose?
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@ppccopener I think there's a stronger case for YJB to take the gloves in the white ball side than there is to give them up in the red ball side
Really? Of the top 6 in the ODI side, Bairstow is probably the least secure in his place (last in and has only made runs vs WI), Buttler is nailed on and at best there's not much in between them with the gloves. In tests, either Bairstow will stay at 7 when Stokes returns in which case he keeps the gloves, or potentially moves to 5. If he's at 5 we'll realistically need another keeper.
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Not much between them with the gloves?
YJBs glovework is much improved while Buttlers has remained stagnant (or if anything, digressed) in the past couple of years.
As for the test side, if YJB gives up the gloves who takes them? That would cause a bit of unbalance in the side would it not?
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Foakes would be the obvious candidate, or it would be Buttler's potential route back into the side. Don't see that it would unbalance the side? Would be 1-5 batsmen, 6 allrounder, 7 keeper, 8 bowling allrounder, 9/10/11 bowlers regardless of whether Bairstow played as keeper or one of the batsmen, which is a cracking balance to a side.
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I reckon at one point there was nothing to choose between them with the gloves, but in the last 18 months maybe bairstow is now the better Keeper
He seems to be improving a bit like Alec Stewart did in the 90's, he wasn't great but def became a very good keeper in the back end of his career.
I don't think YJB is in Alec's class now but he's getting better, there's daylight between them now IMO.
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How are we getting Barstow up to 5?
Malan currently occupies that spot and I have a feeling his place is safe for the foreseeable
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How are we getting Barstow up to 5?
Malan currently occupies that spot and I have a feeling his place is safe for the foreseeable
Would be Malan to 3 or Root/Malan both move up a spot, Vince dropped. All hypothetical of course but reckon it's safe to say Vince will be a goner if he doesn't get runs vs NZ, so a perfectly plausible route to Bairstow giving up the gloves in tests. Don't see that we can pick yet another new player in the top 3 so someone currently in the team will have to bite the bullet and move up if Vince goes. Don't think it likely but could even be Bairstow.
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I have a strange feeling Vince will get at least one big one in New Zealand to secure his place for the summer
You heard it here first ;)
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I have a strange feeling Vince will get at least one big one in New Zealand to secure his place for the summer
You heard it here first ;)
I don't know whether to hope he does or doesn't to be honest! We all got hopeful when he batted so well first dig in the Ashes, but suspicion remains that a bloke who struggles a bit with the step up from county div 2 to div 1 isn't cut out for tests...
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They've not helped Vince by batting him and Malan the wrong way round...but he desperately needs big runs, or at least a different way of failing to make them.
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They've not helped Vince by batting him and Malan the wrong way round...but he desperately needs big runs, or at least a different way of failing to make them.
I'm not convinced about Vince, he seems like he is nearly there but never quite gets it.Frustrating player.
Totally agree with the above thou, if he is going to play him and Malan are in the wrong positions.
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Oh, agreed.
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another international looking to play less red ball.. http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22918546/mohammad-amir-likely-cut-tests-prolong-career (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22918546/mohammad-amir-likely-cut-tests-prolong-career)
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another international looking to play less red ball.. [url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22918546/mohammad-amir-likely-cut-tests-prolong-career[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22918546/mohammad-amir-likely-cut-tests-prolong-career[/url])
Cheat so meh
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Plunkett looking to continue to play in all formats.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22952552/plunkett-resists-temptation-become-white-ball-specialist (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22952552/plunkett-resists-temptation-become-white-ball-specialist)
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Hales is a sad excuse for an international player, he can't play white ball against a uni bowler. That guy had Hales' number for sure, he defended only one ball properly. Sheesh!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxzg_yMnVYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxzg_yMnVYk)
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Hales is off to the ipl with the sunrisers...
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Hales is off to the ipl with the sunrisers...
Just saw this. Signed up for $154k (usd)
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Hales' fee seems a tad unfair. Hyderabad saved Warner's $1.7m salary thought they could've paid around $500k
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It is a free market, Hales could have said no.
No one else wanted him so he was sold as a replacement at his base price.
As with ebay. You need two or more teams to push up the price for a player.
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Hales is off to the ipl with the sunrisers...
It is good. IPL and other t-20 tourneys should be reserved for aging or near-retirement players who can't play Test cricket. Make room for young guys to play their domestic first-class cricket and then boards can groom them for proper/high quality cricket.