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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Liam-SCCC on February 17, 2010, 01:33:35 PM
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Coming under quite a bit of pressure, Kieswetter to bat it through for another not out?
Your thoughts?
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is it live online or anything ?
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beer game
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No not live, there are a couple pics on cricinfo
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is it on live ? or can we watch it on live streaming ?
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Come on the Lions, hope Kieswetter brings it home!
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YESSSSS!! The Lions win!!!!
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They won on the last ball, Michael Lumb take a bow!
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Kieswetter is averaging around 124 for the lions in the last four innings! Awesome
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i hope this leads to some serious changes! should be a kick up the (No Swearing Please) this
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I know, if we cant beat our own B team, who can we beat?
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trott is a good player but hes a bit... pedestrian, so why is he playing t20? surely somebody like lumb or kieswetter as a bat would be a better bat up top?!
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I would actually rather put Swanny up the order rather than Trott in T20!
Trott is a good batsman iin Tests and even ODI. But T20, he hasn't got the same aggression and urgency that others have?
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my point exactly, even a run-a-ball doesnt cut it in t20, need to be striking at 140-150 to get going at 10 an over which is what you should be looking for
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I would actually rather put Swanny up the order rather than Trott in T20!
Trott is a good batsman iin Tests and even ODI. But T20, he hasn't got the same aggression and urgency that others have?
couldent agree more mate!! i wouldent mind seeing swanny batting at 3 in T20 !!
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T20 is a sprint not a marathon! Needs some aggressive players if were going to chase down the totals set which seem to be steadily rising...160 odd as an avergae score etc etc.
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Or just have Denly OR Trott at one end for a nice solid foundation, and have aggressive players at the other end, who can bat round him!
A good start is pretty important! KP was slow, but I guess he's trying to find some form again!
Prior or Kieswetter for keeeper? Hmmmm - Kieswetter is seriously starting to make a case for himself!!
Prior had better watch his back!
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the lions team looks better than the england team anyway, except for a few players
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I know, if we cant beat our own B team, who can we beat?
Wouldnt read in to it to much, its a nothing t20 friendly. Bowlers bowled, batsmen batted and fielders fielded. Im sure the england managment will be more than happy with the days work
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Wouldnt read in to it to much, its a nothing t20 friendly. Bowlers bowled, batsmen batted and fielders fielded. Im sure the england managment will be more than happy with the days work
hear hear
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And even Swanny was outbowled by Rashid in this game!
Would always take Swanny before Rashid though, although wouldn't it be nice to have 2 decent quality spinners/batsmen in the side sometimes!???
And yes - a friendly it may have been, but I suspect that some of the Lions wanted to prove a point here, and get noticed!?
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agreeed against pete , not sure how they can overlook kieswetter the form he is in at the mo !
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it's like when england played wales a few years ago...
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when we get lumb and kieswetter in then we can have 2 more S.A. born players!!
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to be fair prior is streets ahead than kieswetter in ever department yes he lacking form at the moment but there no way on this planet kieswetter is a better batsman never mind gloveman and at this both are pretty average.
have you seen kieswetter keep it is not pretty at all not saying never but not yet and maybe give keiswetter a chance at one day stuff but there no way in the tests remember prior averages 40 last time i checked he is up there with the very best/keeper averages
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I would agree that Prior is a class batsman when he's on form. But Kieswetter is a class batsman too - the question is whether or not he is capable of upping the level to International standard!?
But totallly disagree about best Prior being better gloveman! At best Prior is average! He has certainly improved in 2009 through pure hard work!
And has become a decent keeper. But there are questions about whether his batting has suffered as a result??
But Kieswetter is showing a lot more raw talent and potential behind the stumps that Prior ever has.
Ok - so Foster is a better gloveman, and Davies prob deserves a chance too. But I wouldn't dismiss Kieswetter just yet!
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to be fair i not dismissing him just saying he is not a good gloveman watched him a few times last season not impressed at all and to say he a better gloveman than prior well that cricket opinion.
another name for the mix Phil Mustard much better gloveman than both prior and kieswetter but were is he now??
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to be fair i not dismissing him just saying he is not a good gloveman watched him a few times last season not impressed at all and to say he a better gloveman than prior well that cricket opinion.
another name for the mix Phil Mustard much better gloveman than both prior and kieswetter but were is he now??
Mustard had a good season last year but lacked form towards the end (with the bat that is)
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I guess that they just thought that onions and mustard were a bad mix! :(
Seriously i am surprised that he is not considered for t20 matches! He is aggressive and hard hitting! And decent gloveman!!
So a little out of touch - but could be considered if he gets himself back in form!
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pete i do onside though that if kieswetter keeps this up it will be hard to keep him out and iam all for one in giving people a try
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I am still surprised he was dropped in the first place, he didnt have a bad series against sri lanka? then again i am biased
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for me there are a lot of similar type quality batsman/keeper i mean i like Batty at Surrey also like Sutton at Lancs but there all very similar i suppose were debating this because none of them are truly world class but then again i would only say Boutcher is at the moment
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gramw i though he kept as well as anybody has done for england for a long time just didn't do enough with the bat imo
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You i think he kept well but i think if you have someone who kept aswell as he did he should be given a bit longer, like prior has been in a while even when he was batting poorly. Think mustard knocked up 80 odd in one game didnt he?
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Would love to see Swann at 3 for T/20, Kieswetter in there too. Just a thought:
1. Denly
2. Kieswetter
3. Swann
4. Pietersen
5. Collingwood
6. Wright
7. Broad
8. Flintoff
9. Rashid
10. Plunkett
11. Anderson
(off the top of my head)
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batty has just signed for the glos! bit old now ...
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Would love to see Swann at 3 for T/20, Kieswetter in there too. Just a thought:
1. Denly
2. Kieswetter
3. Swann
4. Pietersen
5. Collingwood
6. Wright
7. Broad
8. Flintoff
9. Rashid
10. Plunkett
11. Anderson
(off the top of my head)
Flintoff ahead of broad in T20s for me
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Would love to see Swann at 3 for T/20, Kieswetter in there too. Just a thought:
1. Denly
2. Kieswetter
3. Swann
4. Pietersen
5. Collingwood
6. Wright
7. Broad
8. Flintoff
9. Rashid
10. Plunkett
11. Anderson
(off the top of my head)
I would have Shah or Joyce in there somewhere
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matter of opinion...but i would have broad in for plunket...
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I just think Flintoff could bat better with the tail and Broad is similar to Flintoff when he hits out. 10 off 2 balls in the T/20 world cup? Yeah spose we could fit Shah in somewhere :P
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I would have Morgan in there too.
And Lumb, as Lumb is versatile enough to bat slower and more solid if Denly and a couple of other wickets fall! But also (as he proved today) he can bat aggressively too! This is a skill sadly lacking from the likes of KP and Wright - as they are not great at changing their style of batting to suit the game!!
And def Broad in there for Plunket.....better all rounder. But thats on the condition that Broad doesn't keep bowling short ball ALL the time!! >:(
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what people take on like luke wright for the life of me i just dont like the look of him in anyway looks out of his depth come across as a bit of a showboat nothing more???
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Broad is in there with Plunkett....
Morgan is someone I forgot :P I still wouldn't be unhappy to see an england team similar to mine ;)
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sorry to bring ths up but what does Luke Wright give to England in any forms of cricket i mean yes he has explosive power but when his stats in all forms are to be fair journeyman looking is there something i missing
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dno how i dident spot that hhaa!! well i forgot about morgan too but would definately have him in there...
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All rides one Flintoff's fitness and the balance of the team.
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alot of you will disagree with me here
at the moment , i wouldent be picking pietersen , he is in no form whatsoever , and if that was anyone else they would be dropped , he is purely being picked on his reputation and england are praying he finds some form soon.......how longs it gunnah go on before they finally drop him...or are they just all waiting for him to find form...
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I strongly agree with you, he's in my team cos I'm not a selector. If he gets no runs in Bangladesh I'd want him dropped.
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Theyre waiting for him to find form, its more a mental thing more than anything, he needs to stop trying to bully teams with his ego and do it with his bat instead.
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Watching his 112 or something against New Zealand he was awesome, he played straight down the ground (something he doesn't do now). He waited for the ball more and looked to time the ball rather than smash it everywhere. switch hits weren't bad either. I have no doubt he will find form if he plays proper shots and not sweeps from the wicket cut and left some outside off.
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I would try out a team such as:
1. Trott
2. Kieswetter
3. Swann
4. Lumb (Give KP time to regain his form away from International pressure - and T20 is the worst format to let someone take their time)
5. Collingwood
6. Morgan
7. Wright
8. Flintoff
9. Broad
10. Rashid
11. Anderson
I would maybe have Wright out and Bresnan in, depending on their form?
But Bresnan would be a reasonable option if Flintoff were injured!?
This would ensure that we having batting all the way down, plus ample bowling combinations too!
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lumb number 1
trott number 4
otherwise petey , i agree with you again chap !
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you want a quick scoring explosive batsmen at 4, so not trott..
id put shah in instead of KP personally. get kieswetter in and keep prior to as a batsman. they can fight for the gloves.
my changes - shah in for KP, kieswetter in for Trott.
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Carberry instead of Trott?
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trego ?
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I say sack the England selectors and we can be the panel instead????
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YES
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At present, this i how i would like to see England in the 3 forms
Tests
1.Strauss
2.Trott
3.Pietersen
4.Carberry
5.Collingwood
6.Prior
7.Swann
8.Broad
9.Anderson
10.Onions
11.Sidebottom
ODIs
1.Strauss
2.Lumb
3.Pietersen
4.Carberry
5.Morgan
6.Collingwood
7.Prior
8.Swann
9.Broad
10.Anderson
11.Onions
T20
1.Kieswetter
2.Wright
3.Pietersen
4.Morgan
5.Collingwood
6.Swann
7.Trego
8.Napier
9.Broad
10.Anderson
11.Onions
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I wouldn't have Pietersen at 3, Cook would be in there and so would Flintoff (limited overs)
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sorry i dont rate cook whatsoever, and flintoff will be injured on and off so i think its best to leave him out until he can prove his fitness over a few months
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What about Bopara? Monty?
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no time for either of them ash
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bopara should be given a go again...and suprised you dont rate cook - i like him.
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Bopara will have a big IPL...Mark my works!
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Bopara hasn't done anything to warrant his place since being dropped, Swann is much better than Monty with bat and ball..
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if he does maybe i can change my mind, but right now ive got no time for him, hes got potential but needs to convert it in to runs and match winning knocks! will he get a game at IPL? who knows after his recent international embaressment.
i dont like cook because he has done nothing that anybody else off the county circuit couldnt have done, and for some reason he is golden boy at the ecb. well done to he and bell for a couple of good knocks in SA but i still dont see either of them taking the world by storm
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Mr Cricket... given that Trott is a middle order player and Carberry is an opener why do you have Trott opening and Carberry at 4?
I think that given his record, whether or not you rate him or not, Cook has to play in the test side for the time being. Also going with the 5 batsman, Prior and 5 bowlers will leave the team likely for at least one collapse a series - which is painful.
Personally I would have a test team similar to the one we have - other than I would have onions in the team and put sidebottom out to pasture. If we could find an out and out quick who could bowl a length then we would have a pretty strong team. Given that we don't have a specialist 3, I put Carberry in, drop Bell and shunt the others down... note the change in batting order, Pietersen is better at 5 than 4 and is not suited to batting at 3. Plus frequently, opening bowlers hate bowling to left handers so having 3 at the top of the order works for me
Cook, Strauss, Carberry (or Bell), Trott, Pietersen, Collingwood, Prior, Broad, Swann, Andersen, Onions/mythical quick bowler
the One day and 2020 stuff has been so hit an miss so far to try and predict a team is almost impossible. But I think you have made a pretty good selection
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p.s. Bopara may be on the fringes of the one day side, but in general his first class record in New Zealand this winter has been shocking so isn't ready for a recall
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I know, if we cant beat our own B team, who can we beat?
Pakistan lost to Pakistan A as well. Think it shows more about the benefits of acclimatising yourself prior to a series, remember the Lions have just played a few games before this match whereas England haven't.
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everybody is entitled to their view buzz and thats mine!
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Ashvir you seem to be obsessed with Bopara! The guy hasnt really done much to warrent a recall and wouldnt fit very well into the Twenty20 team anyway.
And dropping Cook would be a stupid move. He and Collingwood were by far the best batsmen on the SA tour so i dont know why you would even think about dropping him. Hes the best opening option alongside strauss by far.
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i dont agree, thats just my view, your entitled to yours aswell!
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Pakistan lost to Pakistan A as well. Think it shows more about the benefits of acclimatising yourself prior to a series, remember the Lions have just played a few games before this match whereas England haven't.
Very true, Luke Wright mentioned about getting rid of "cobwebs" as well.
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averaging 40 and 10 hundreds in 50 tests not to shabby would like to see any other county opener come in and do that. Only man i wanted to bring in is Key but it looks like his time has passed
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Luke Wright should be no were near a England shirt in my opinion (very average county player at best)
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Bopara will have a big IPL...Mark my works!
the fountain of knowledge that ash is, im running to ladbrookes give us a heads up on the 3:40 at cheltnam mate !
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Bopara has struggled in NZ as above mentioned averaging just 32 in 9 innings not the sort of come and get me is it
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bopara is bedside porn and by that i mean yes he is very sylish but a load of tank
get treggers in !
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What about Bopara? Monty?
Monty can't by a wicket in the County Championship!
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Bopara will have a big IPL...Mark my works!
Ash, he'll be lucky to be in the side. Marsh is twice the player Bopara is.
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Ash, he'll be lucky to be in the side. Marsh is twice the player Bopara is.
Shaun Marsh? his brother, Mitchell Marsh? Maybe even Jodie Marsh?! haha they're all better cricketers...
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kieswetter you absolute legend! doing somerset proud, shame about tregs.....
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no point in making a new topic for this... but why the hell is trott playing t20 with a strike rate of 80?
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i was thinking of making a topic for it !! it's dreadful!!
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at present he is 28 off 40, what a waste of deliveries when colly, morgan etc are waiting to come in
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i think i lost even the little respect i had for Afridi when he bowled when KP wasn't looking.. even the keeper was like wtf...
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afridi got what he deserved though didnt he! went for 4 runs, i hate the bloke
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what a shop kp !! i love it when this guy is on form !!
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just shows how desperate he is to impact the game in anyway possible.. KP is looking stunning theses 6s are massive!!
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why is trott still in, i want to see Morgan!!
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i think i lost even the little respect i had for Afridi when he bowled when KP wasn't looking.. even the keeper was like wtf...
Little respect? I've never had any respect for the pitch dancing , ball biting CHEAT.
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with swann at 11 its obvious that we bat all the way down, why is trott plodding along? think i saw wright with the pads on they might send him in for a dash
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Little respect? I've never had any respect for the pitch dancing , ball biting CHEAT.
does he not deserve another bite of the cherry? lol
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morgan is sitting with the lid on so would guess he is in next ,wright isent a bad shout thou , i think wright should open !
yes , trott has been run out , thank god !
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wheeeyy! c'mon eoin
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thank god thats done with..
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i think 165... what you guys think?
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Why are you always moaning about Trott? He played a supporting act to Pietersen and played just how we needed him to. And he played very well in fact.
We need people to stick around so we have wickets in hand at the end and can have a go. Trott has set us up for a perfect situation as this pitch looks not very easy to bat on!
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if we had a better/attacking batsman with kp we would be on alot more than what we are now , great shot morgan!
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we bat down to number 11 GJ, no need for people to play 'supporting acts'
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you are right KP and Morgan look like the pitch is holding them back..
the point with trott is that even with so many wickets in hand he didn't play aggressive when needed..
great knock by KP..
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I'm interested to see how the English bowlers do now.
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i think england have enough.
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kieswetter has been added to the sqaud for bangladesh :) :)
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nazir is so stupid!!
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Out I reckon
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Gone! Fair call....
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morgan is sitting with the lid on so would guess he is in next ,wright isent a bad shout thou , i think wright should open !
yes , trott has been run out , thank god !
Good selfless decision for Trott to leave his crease to make sure that he got out rather than kp!