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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: espocrespo on February 17, 2010, 09:12:38 PM
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335. GOOD GOD.
i saw one in my local shop either it was a junior or something, because it looked thin and not that good wood tbh
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I have to disagree slightly. I went into CJI cricket the other day, and he had 2 of the '250' models which are grade three, and they looked really nice for the price!
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my 250 i sold was very nice for grade 3
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im saying that the 335.00 didnt look as though it was worth it, if u know what i mean
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Oh I see what you mean. I am guessing you are meaning 335 as in price: £335?
I think some of the lower grade kookaburras are brilliant value for money. And the profiles are huge on some of the lighter bats. I picked up a 2lb 7oz bat the other day and it was really big for the weight.
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slightly off topic but i saw a kookaburra biggest kahuna today in plymouth, without doubt the biggest bat i have ever seen! ever! had nice grains aswell, if i had £140 there and then....
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ian, whereabouts did you see it? im unaware of any shops that would stock a bat thats actually any good?!
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Has any of you seen the Kahuna 1000?
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Yes, not bad looking, but these are the biggest profit making bats available, plain grade 1 made in India and not any better a mid range bat.
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They must be making big money when they sell it for 300£
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How do you think they make the money to sponser all their players....from cricket sales!
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has anyone used one of these new kookaburras as i'm interested
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The finisher briefly had one, so he could be one to ask.
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ian, whereabouts did you see it? im unaware of any shops that would stock a bat thats actually any good?!
it was in tony pryce!
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Yes, not bad looking, but these are the biggest profit making bats available, plain grade 1 made in India and not any better a mid range bat.
I know another guy who occasionally sells £400.00 bats made from low grade willow (albeit very pretty) how are profits on those?
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I'd imagine the profit is very good on those clefts - wish i had a few of them knocking around!!!!
For me, those types of cleft have been graded cosmetically by wrights and hence put in a lower bracket - but consider that most trees will be cut down between 15-20 years of age, with one of those bats yielding roughly between 6-12 grains on the face - so, to get a bat with 29 grains on the face is incredibly rare, especially considering that there are fewer trees around capable od producing willow like this because of demand for quality english willow.
For me the price of the cleft and what it is sold as is irrelevant - bats with that many grains are so rare and hard to get hold nowadays, truly one offs! (Tom, that Puma you have/had is a great example of stunning grains from an ancient willow tree)
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Oh I agree totally, some bats are worth a lot particularly ones such as the one mentioned. Just think it's a bit rich to mention profit margins (and call them the biggest profit making bat available) from other brands when he's flogging £400 bats.
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I personally think Tom that my £400 bat was a lot better value than a £330 Kookaburra, obviously that is based on more than seeing it here on the forum but the rarity of this willow alone justifies the price, then the fact it was made by someone not known by you in the UK who is very very good and does not make bats for a living, the sort of contact you can't google.....
Out of interest what sort of part made do you offer as the top Mongoose, could you sort me a matching cleft to the £400 bat? Genuinely interested.
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You personally think it's better value, but in terms of profit and monetary terms I would guess you make a larger profit. Is the Kahuna 1000 the biggest profit making bat? Did you turn a larger profit? Also bear in mind £330 is not the standard retail selling price of a Kahuna 1000. £280 is, meaning they have a spare £120 in order to fritter on maybe a pair of the pads.
You've also lost me on the 2nd bit, we don't offer/sell part mades. And having never seen that cleft I can't say if we can match it.
Fair enough comment on brands/bats you've used, if it's (No Swearing Please) fair enough but sometimes it just seems you post in order to belittle other brands and big up Talisman/Newbery/blokewhodoesn'tmakebatsforaliving etc
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i can get you a 30 grainer no heartwood light cleft for 200 pound and i will say no more and it will be grade 1 and this is not for sale it will be for me and before anybody ask no i can not get you one. This is not a go at anybody in anyway i just stating a fact and will post the pictures when it comes
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"I can get you a 30 grainer" - "this is not for sale it will be for me" - "no i can not get you one" -........ummmmm, anyone else confused???
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sorry what i saying is i have a bat coming in and it will have 30 grains and be of the best possible grade and be a very low density cleft. and iam paying 200 for it after my venture into getting a signature failed because i got the remfry coming
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be good to see pics of it when it does, who is shaping it for you?
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you should know were i get my bats from i only go too 2 two places for bats
oh forgot got one off asad that is a belter to
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Kahuna 1000 is probably a much bigger profit-making bat overall. The talisman was a one-off, so a nice profit there in a range of one, rather than x amount of kooks.
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i to be honest dont care about profit margins lets be fair if you get a cracker no matter who makes it it always worth it to you the buyer
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Alvaro. I would guess that depends on how you interpret bat. I interpreted it as a singular, i.e it makes the most out of any bat for each one sold.
You've interpreted it as bat model, in which case I would also disagree.
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Well if you want to know the cost of that cleft is was exactly double that of a grade 1 cleft, and I would not have made a bigger profit than that of a £280 Kookaburra, mainly because Indian bats are so cheap compared to English made, let alone the way I had mine made. The profit margin does not impact on the value of a bat, should I be able to knock up Pro bats for £1 would I have to sell them very cheaply? Surely the quality of the product defines the value of it?
I was referring to the fact that you offer a custom made experience as the top option from Mongoose but you stated elsewhere on the forum that you don't make from clefts for the customer in front of them because the glue on the handles takes too long to set, so therefore you offer part made's to the customer. Since you are involved in the marketing and sales of cricket bats I thought you would be able with some high def pictures be able to match a cleft to them. If you can please let me know.
As for comments on bats, is that not the purpose of the forum, you did start the whole thing. As for bigging up Talisman, I would believe in the company I started as my founding reasons are quite strong, Newbery are in my opinion a quality company, blokeswhodoesn'tmakebatsforaliving must be Mongoose and I love the marketing success Marcus has achieved, something I would love to emulate in time. I do hope that my comments in favour of the BDM/Lavers/Redbacks today alone have not offended you being that they are not Talisman/Newbery.
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Sorry, it has been pointed out that I also praised Charlie French today as well, very sorry.
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I thought you grew your own willow? If this cleft cost £70 then I apologise. I guess that's what happens when you assume things about the industry like you have tens of times when commenting on willow grading. I If the quality of the product defines the value then why feel the need to comment on other peoples margins? In my opinion there's no need to mention such things, particularly when you're in the same sector as them.
And Mike yes you have praised Redback and the like, but you've also said things such as Redback's will never match the performance of a Talisman. Such things come across as incredibly cocky when you've achieved nothing in cricket yet with the Talisman range.
If you want to buy our £279 bat and visit the factory, select your part made and see it made feel free. But we won't sell the part made on it's own, it's sold as an experience. For more information visit the website www.mongoosecricket.com
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twas just a bit of speculation. i'll let the
argument discussion continue without my ill informed ruminations.
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Why don't De Villiers and Ponting use this yet?
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Grow my own willow, not sure where you heard that? I think that my opinion which was that the Kookaburra offers little value for one of the highest price tags on the market and therefore offers a big profit margin is just that, an opinion, if you disagree then please do and let me know the facts behind your argument.
My comment about the performance is simple and true, the incredibly cocky thing is you faulting it without knowing why you are doing so. As to being judged by you on Talisman's achievements that is wonderful, a dagger to my heart, I'll quit now safe in the knowledge that I never matched up to you. Got any jobs going at Mongoose?
Surely if I pay you money I could have whatever I wanted or is that not the point of having a custom made by Hunts?
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Well you're a merchant/own trees, is that more correct? Saying a bat has the biggest profit margin is not an opinion, it's either true or it's not. Yes I agree it offers a big profit margin, however how do you quantify it's the biggest? Have you looked at every other manufacturers costs, do you know their sticker costs, shipping costs? You seem to make assumptions and post them as fact, that is why I picked you up on it.
Mike, seriously I haven't achieved anything in cricket or life yet. I try not to claim or act like I have, yes I know a bit but not much. Gary has achieved, he's gone out there, set up his own brand, won awards and made it succesfull. Whereas Talisman has been on the verge of launching for the past couple of years.
We offer a bat experience (i.e it's finished, ready to use and stickered), not a part made experience. If you want the latter then try somewhere else.
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sorry im a bit of a noob , but was a cleft
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cleft
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Tom, come work for me, you have too much time on your hands, together we can rule as Father and Son.......
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What - you want him to come over to the dark side?
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have created.....................
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The force is strong in him, I can feel it!!!
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[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cleft[/url]
Cleft - The point where the shaft of the male (No Swearing Please) meets the testicals for the first time.
Ouch! The tennis ball hit me right in the cleft!
LOL
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not being funny but surely that is on the "underside" of the (No Swearing Please), therefore to be hit there your (No Swearing Please) must be pointing up, which could possibly mean you have an erection.... hmmm why was he playing tennis with a erection :S
didnt really want to say that as meant i 'd been thinking about it...but there you go hahahahaha!