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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: alexhilly1492 on December 14, 2018, 10:59:02 AM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/46565594 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/46565594)
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Read this somewhere a couple of days ago. Superb choice 👍
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Not a great choice for me BUT he is a player who has played in the last 10 years, English, ex professional and ex England player who has played along side recent England stars (ie, KP, Freddie and Jimmy)..
Definitely a step in the right direction. :) :)
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It could have been worse. But it's an uninspiring choice.
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It could have been worse. But it's an uninspiring choice.
Couldn't agree more. Totally uninspiring choice and very. very dull.
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Uninspiring would definitely be my assessment too, albeit a kind one at that.
I guess it partly comes down to what the purpose of the role actually is, but this is another incestuous appointment of an individual with no track record of outstanding achievement but, as an ECB insider, will be expected not to rock the boat
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So who would you all suggest instead of him?
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I think he will be a reasonable choice. He was a solid performer for England. He was hamstrung as odi coach on player availability by Flower.
He has been successful at county level.
He understands English cricket as well as anyone.
He has the best credentials of the English candidates.
Yes having someone like Tom Moody would habe been interesting. But personally I think the choice is pretty solid.
Now first on his agenda is cancelling the 100.
Second on his agenda is appointing Farbrace to succeed Bayliss
Third is cost savings across the ECB to invest more in junior and "transition level" cricket. (This being 15-18year olds staying involved with the game as they move into men's cricket)
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My question would why it needs to be an ex cricketer. We have coaches in place to run the England side, the centre at Loughborough, and all the representative sides so the post doesn't need to he fulfilled by a coach. There is a selection panel that covers selection so he doesn't need to have knowledge of the country game. If it is to serve any purpose then it needs to be a strategic role with the remit to critically examine the way the game is being run rather than an insider who has made good money from the status quo.
Personally i would say it needs to be someone in the Clive Woodward mould who has a background in business and driving performance rather than a coach with experience at an operational level.
It was a nice little job for Strauss to sit watching England play all over the world and quaff free drink whilst making sure not to ruffle any feathers but I think the challenges the game currently faces in this country are such that we deserve someone better than this.
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Personally i would say it needs to be someone in the Clive Woodward mould who has a background in business and driving performance rather than a coach with experience at an operational level.
Dave Brailsford might have a bit of free time coming up...
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Immediately came across to me as a bit of a jobs for the boys appointment.
Sacked from his previous role with England for not being good enough. Here have another go
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Yet another yes man
Yet another completely pointless appointment
Buzz has pointed out a few things that the ECB needs to change/fix and realistically it’s such a huge job that I’m not sure there is anyone actually qualified in making the necessary changes to the status quo. Businessmen will simply go with the bottom line, anyone currently involved in the cricket world will be tainted by the current thinking .. really not sure where you go
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Typical solid safe hands ECB appointment. Should have gone for Jason Gillipse
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So who would you all suggest instead of him?
From inside cricket? Assuming those who have chosen journalism gigs did so for personal reasons....Jason Gillespie? Paul Collingwood?
But really, why not try someone from outside the game who will make business decisions rather than parochial jobs for the boys ones?
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make business decisions
Because things like the 100 happen and the sport dies. Football IS dying even though the premier league is getting richer
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You mean like the super successful Tom Harrison?
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My question would why it needs to be an ex cricketer. We have coaches in place to run the England side, the centre at Loughborough, and all the representative sides so the post doesn't need to he fulfilled by a coach. There is a selection panel that covers selection so he doesn't need to have knowledge of the country game. If it is to serve any purpose then it needs to be a strategic role with the remit to critically examine the way the game is being run rather than an insider who has made good money from the status quo.
Personally i would say it needs to be someone in the Clive Woodward mould who has a background in business and driving performance rather than a coach with experience at an operational level.
It was a nice little job for Strauss to sit watching England play all over the world and quaff free drink whilst making sure not to ruffle any feathers but I think the challenges the game currently faces in this country are such that we deserve someone better than this.
Clive Woodward was an ex player too 🤔
Loads of the other names being thrown around have zero relevant experience. For all his possible faults Giles is well qualified. I wouldn't describe him as part of the inside cricket lot. He was sacked for saying he would bring back KP if made eng coach.
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Clive Woodward was an ex-international from the amateur era but if you looked closely at his time with the RFU, his playing experience had little if any bearing on the role he undertook.
To use one example, it is common across a lot of sports today for players use specialists to improve aspects of their vision. But this was revolutionary in sport when England Rugby started using it. It came from Woodward finding out that the Israeli military used it for their pilots.
I have nothing against Gilo as a person but if you keep asking the same type of person you will keep getting the same answers.
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But Giles won't be the coach. So that isn't his role.
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But Giles won't be the coach. So that isn't his role.
Neither was Strauss and look where the ECB is currently.. let alone the state of red ball cricket and the standard of the test team
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Because things like the 100 happen and the sport dies. Football IS dying even though the premier league is getting richer
You think the 100 was developed by a business brain? Hell no - a business brain would have looked at other ways to make T20, a proven, loved format, the biggest it could possibly be.
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You think the 100 was developed by a business brain? Hell no - a business brain would have looked at other ways to make T20, a proven, loved format, the biggest it could possibly be.
Warwickshire county league are trialing the 100 and our club are going to enter. I completely agree with centiment of others but im going to give it a chance. Ive played 16, 8 ball overs. Lets be honest its not exactly going to fundamentally change cricket.
Interestingly gilo has just become the leagues ambassador two weeks ago.
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Warwickshire county league are trialing the 100 and our club are going to enter. I completely agree with centiment of others but im going to give it a chance. Ive played 16, 8 ball overs. Lets be honest its not exactly going to fundamentally change cricket.
Interestingly gilo has just become the leagues ambassador two weeks ago.
I assume you’ll trial it being someone batting at 5/6/7 and barely to not bowling ?
I also assume it’ll be evening stuff rather than saturdays
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You think the 100 was developed by a business brain? Hell no - a business brain would have looked at other ways to make T20, a proven, loved format, the biggest it could possibly be.
Well it certainly isn’t for the cricket ! It’s everything business would want
Short (perfect for tv, attendances)
Ideal for the drunk louts (there are enough at 2020 so I suspect more will attend this format)
Sponsorships for all the different aspects like the IPl/big bash
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I assume you’ll trial it being someone batting at 5/6/7 and barely to not bowling ?
I also assume it’ll be evening stuff rather than saturdays
Its a sunday league. Im unlikely to play, dont get ur point about where i would bat. I certainly will not be bowling. How is it any different to the 16 over mid week leagues we currently participate in? Its just a 20 gimmick, dont see why it bothers people. I will not be watching it, in the same way i dont watch t20 blast, ipl or the big bash. It has no affect on my personal life or enjoyment of playing 50 cricket or watching test cricket. It may bring a player or two and some sponsorship into the club.
The option to drag a few guys back in with a 2.5 hour game presents opportunities.
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But Giles won't be the coach. So that isn't his role.
I would suggest that Woodward's role bared much more similarity to the job Gilo will be doing than it does to that of Trevor Bayliss as the coach. Which really goes back to the essence of my concern with Gilo's appointment, namely that he is a coach, something that the ECB already have plenty of, not someone with a track record that demonstrates the skill-set needed for a role that has strategic responsibility for the game
I do recall Michael Vaughan pulling out of the running for the role when it was first created on the grounds that the ECB had made the remit too narrow, so possibly it is the role itself which will only attract the mediocre
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Well it certainly isn’t for the cricket ! It’s everything business would want
Short (perfect for tv, attendances)
Ideal for the drunk louts (there are enough at 2020 so I suspect more will attend this format)
Sponsorships for all the different aspects like the IPl/big bash
Maybe I am wrong, but it strikes me as something someone without any commercial awareness would come up with in the assumption that it was want business would want. The IPL is a massive success in terms of the quality of the cricket, the size of the crowds and the commercial revenue it generates. The franchise system put the teams in the hands of people with business backgrounds, not existing clubs with cricket backgrounds and strangely there was no attempt to reinvent the wheel with the format.
Really, I think the ECB has run with the 100 format as fudge to protect the vested interests of the counties by allowing them to continue with the T20 Blast which already attracts less star players than the Caribbean PL and will surely only diminish in quality further. If this was a purely commercial decision, you would abandon the Blast and adopt the City based model which seems to be doing rather well for itself in other countries as far as I can see
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Now first on his agenda is cancelling the 100.
Second on his agenda is appointing Farbrace to succeed Bayliss
Third is cost savings across the ECB to invest more in junior and "transition level" cricket. (This being 15-18year olds staying involved with the game as they move into men's cricket)
This.
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It may bring a player or two
The option to drag a few guys back in with a 2.5 hour game presents opportunities.
This is what really matters regardless of format. Providing ALL the different formats for people to choose to partake in. Don’t force someone to play draw, winnlose or 2020/100.. provide it all and let the people decide