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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: alexhilly1492 on April 26, 2019, 12:50:56 PM
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billings out of these games with dislocated shoulder
Foakes called up for Ireland ODI and Pakistan t20
hopefully have two debuts @ malahide
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Spot for Vince in the squad opens up nicely with Hales now suspended?
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So what really is our best XI for the English conditions of this World Cup (there won’t be any Bunsen!)
Is it;
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Butler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Wiley
Wood
Archer
That’s not bad right?
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So what really is our best XI for the English conditions of this World Cup (there won’t be any Bunsen!)
Is it;
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Butler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Wiley
Wood
Archer
That’s not bad right?
Thats about as deep a batting line up as you'll find in international cricket these days.
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So what really is our best XI for the English conditions of this World Cup (there won’t be any Bunsen!)
Is it;
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Butler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Wiley
Wood
Archer
That’s not bad right?
Can’t help but feel Rashid would feel hard done by!
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So what really is our best XI for the English conditions of this World Cup (there won’t be any Bunsen!)
Is it;
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Butler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Wiley
Wood
Archer
That’s not bad right?
Rashid will play, even if it's a road you need a good leg spinner in international white ball cricket.
I think it will be between Willey and Wood for the last spot.
Personally I like Willey in the team, he usually takes wickets up front with the ball swinging, he is a gun fielder and very useful bat down the order. You don't need to get 10 overs from him when you have Stokes and Root in the team to make up the overs.
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So what really is our best XI for the English conditions of this World Cup (there won’t be any Bunsen!)
They will be by the end of the tournament! Ground staff have to follow the rules set out by the ICC, amount of watering, covers on/ off times, how short the wickets cut too.
All to stop home teams getting an advantage...
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Archer, Malan and Foakes to debut
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Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Butler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Archer
Wiley
Rashid
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Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Butler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Archer
Wiley
Rashid
6 of those aren't even in the squad for this game...
Team balance could be interesting given Stokes/Moeen/Woakes all not available this game, could Archer even debut at 7?
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I thought they were allowed to play 13 or 14 players in each side? Or is that another warm up match?
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I thought they were allowed to play 13 or 14 players in each side? Or is that another warm up match?
It's a proper ODI Pete, not even officially a warmup.
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6 of those aren't even in the squad for this game...
Team balance could be interesting given Stokes/Moeen/Woakes all not available this game, could Archer even debut at 7?
was commenting on what I think the best team is for the actual World Cup
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I thought they were allowed to play 13 or 14 players in each side? Or is that another warm up match?
i didnt think this was the case even for warm ups, we have the ODI series vs pakistan the australia in and ODI and afghanistan in an ODI so fully sanctioned games none of the usual warm up bollox
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Going to be interesting selection but considering they have said that Archer, Foakes and Malan are debuting then you have to think that Duckett will be playing the T20 only.
Denly
Vince
Root
Morgan
Malan
Foakes
Willey
Archer
Plunkett
Rashid
Curran or Jordan
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Going to be interesting selection but considering they have said that Archer, Foakes and Malan are debuting then you have to think that Duckett will be playing the T20 only.
Denly
Vince
Root
Morgan
Malan
Foakes
Willey
Archer
Plunkett
Rashid
Curran or Jordan
Yep that's the team - Duckett and Jordan miss out.
Malan is down to open though and Denly bat at 5.
Delay for rain - 45 overs a side now - start at 12.45.
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Decent start by Ireland here, be a good workout for some of these England fringe players I reckon today. Archer with decent pace so far as well.
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Archer has looked sharp live
Curran looks quicker in person too!
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Can anyone make a legitimate case for not having Curran in the starting XI for the World Cup?
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Can anyone make a legitimate case for not having Curran in the starting XI for the World Cup?
He plays for Surrey? Other than that no :D
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Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Butler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Archer
Wiley
Rashid
Agree with this squad, they have to have 2 spinners, think Sam Curran will get a chance as well
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Nothing wrong with it; raise your foot and you ask for trouble.
Best keeper in the country, fight me
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Foakes in with a keepers Mankad ;)
Yep assume the anti-mankad brigade are all livid at Foakes' poor sportsmanship there ;)
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Foakes in with a keepers Mankad ;)
Some soft dismissals so far
Honestly, it looked like a dead ball to me. Batsman didn't overbalance, he didn't set off for a run, nothing was happening, ball was in keepers gloves, he started to stand up, clearly thinking the ball was dead.
If he had overbalanced, he's fair game. But he didn't. Keepers can't just stand there with the ball forever waiting for the batsman to leave the crease otherwise we'd have a stumping every time something went to prod the pitch.
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Honestly, it looked like a dead ball to me. Batsman didn't overbalance, he didn't set off for a run, nothing was happening, ball was in keepers gloves, he started to stand up, clearly thinking the ball was dead.
If he had overbalanced, he's fair game. But he didn't. Keepers can't just stand there with the ball forever waiting for the batsman to leave the crease otherwise we'd have a stumping every time something went to prod the pitch.
It was about 5 seconds hardly forever,
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It was about 5 seconds hardly forever,
I think 5 seconds is more than enough time for the ball to have become dead.
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Honestly, it looked like a dead ball to me. Batsman didn't overbalance, he didn't set off for a run, nothing was happening, ball was in keepers gloves, he started to stand up, clearly thinking the ball was dead.
If he had overbalanced, he's fair game. But he didn't. Keepers can't just stand there with the ball forever waiting for the batsman to leave the crease otherwise we'd have a stumping every time something went to prod the pitch.
But it was OK for Ashwin to stand there and watch Butler move out of his crease according to you
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But it was OK for Ashwin to stand there and watch Butler move out of his crease according to you
I have no problem with what Ashwin did, nor what Foakes did from a moral point of view - if its in the laws then its in the spirit is my approach.
However in both cases, albeit for different technical reasons, I think the player paused too long and the ball became dead, and thus the decision should have been "not out"
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With the replay just having popped up again it did look like he was shifting weight to stand up having seen the ball be taken... but it did all happen very quickly in fairness...
yeah, I'm 100% sure the batsman thought the ball was dead and he was clear to get up and prod the pitch/whatever without the risk of being stumped.
In all honesty, if this happened when I was square leg umpire in a club match I'd have said nice try but not out.
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yeah, I'm 100% sure the batsman thought the ball was dead and he was clear to get up and prod the pitch/whatever without the risk of being stumped.
In all honesty, if this happened when I was square leg umpire in a club match I'd have said nice try but not out.
You'd say not out even though you've just said its in the laws.... So you'd cheat?
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You'd say not out even though you've just said its in the laws.... So you'd cheat?
I think I must have expressed myself badly. If we're talking about the Foakes stumping, I don't think that should have been given out, I think Foakes paused too long, so it was a dead ball.
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The Irish bowlers getting into the English top order 45-3
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I don't want to hear anybody that complained about any Mankad ever saying they're OK with what Foakes did.
Oh well, looks like the 'Spirit of Cricket' is punishing England a bit here.
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The Irish catching has been outstanding this game.
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England running out of batsman to long a tail in this match
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Flat track bullies - better hope the ball doesn’t move off the straight in the WC
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I think I must have expressed myself badly. If we're talking about the Foakes stumping, I don't think that should have been given out, I think Foakes paused too long, so it was a dead ball.
Ah ok! I may have misunderstood what you written!
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This over rate feels appalling
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Thought Archer was excellent showed he can to bowl Yorkers at pace at the stumps
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Foakes cementing his place? If he carries us over the line with Tom Curran I honestly see no way either can be dropped
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Thought Archer was excellent showed he can to bowl Yorkers at pace at the stumps
8 overs 0 maidens 1-40 is hardly excellent, is it?
I'd say he had a solid, if unspectacular, debut and showed glimpses of his potential.
I fear Archer will be another victim of English cricket though. He's undeniably talented but will have to contend with the added pressure of being overhyped by our media.
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Strong Surrey, Strong England
Said it before, will say it again
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Big game changer not reviewing against Foakes
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Strong Surrey, Strong England
Said it before, will say it again
A strong England wouldn't struggle to score 199.
If anything this shows that England need more Brummies in the team.
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A strong England wouldn't struggle to score 199.
If anything this shows that England need more Brummies in the team.
As long as they are not one trick ponies and can bowl like Archer.
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Does anyone else feel a bit sorry for Curran?
3 fer and saw it home with 47* yet didn't get man of the match, and was robbed of a chance to get a 50 by a no ball
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What today showed me -
Our batting depth isn't actually that strong (when you consider Hales is now dropped).
I would be absolutely fine with Foakes being the spare batsmen in the World Cup.
Archer has lots of potential, but is by no means the finished article.
Curran should be a definite pick for the squad
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8 overs 0 maidens 1-40 is hardly excellent, is it?
I'd say he had a solid, if unspectacular, debut and showed glimpses of his potential.
I fear Archer will be another victim of English cricket though. He's undeniably talented but will have to contend with the added pressure of being overhyped by our media.
I thought he bowled much better than his figures suggest
Look sharp, bowled a heavy length, needs to learn to adjust and proceed he has the Yorker
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That was not the pitch for Archer to shine to be fair. Foakes was awesome though - such a composed cricketer.
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Worth pointing out that this was only Archer’s 15th one day match in his entire career. Secondly I doubt he’ll be getting the new ball either. I’m sure he’ll tear into Pakistan
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Tough call for England - Woakes, Wood, Archer, Willey, Plunkett and Curran to get into five spots, then probably to three in the XI. Whoever misses out will feel hard done to.
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Just seen the Foakes stumping. Dont think there was anything wrong with that. Ball certainly wasnt dead. In any case you can attatch no blame to Foakes for the excellent work or appeal.
It is up to the umpires to interpret the rules.
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Ben Foakes is great. Wonder when(/if!) he'll play his next ODI though...
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8 overs 0 maidens 1-40 is hardly excellent, is it?
I'd say he had a solid, if unspectacular, debut and showed glimpses of his potential.
I fear Archer will be another victim of English cricket though. He's undeniably talented but will have to contend with the added pressure of being overhyped by our media.
More than glimpses yes he went for 40 putting the ball in the batters scoring areas but that's all about learning he bowled Yorkers at pace at the stumps and an as an excellent short ball
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Malan out with a dodgy groin, Phil Salt in for the t20.
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James Vince interests me the most about this series selection. Has been hugely frustrating to watch in the past
Can he tighten his game to make the big scores he does for Hampshire ? There's spots available in the test side so a lot to play for.
I'm a bit on the fence myself, the guy is talented and good to watch in full flow, perhaps a bit like a modern day Ian Bell.
He's got 'it' but can he deliver it. Despite previous false dawns I still think there is a very good player in both formats.
Bairstow will come back so maybe Vince can only get as far as the Hales role as spare.
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Willey lucky he didn't break his ankle at least he's seen the funny side.
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I’ve had to switch the TV to mute... can’t stand the constant droning
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Willey lucky he didn't break his ankle at least he's seen the funny side.
Yep that could've been a lot worse! Imagine the groundsman will get a lot of stick though.
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Vince doesn't have the mental capacity for international cricket. Plays a variety of great shots but never does he play the great innings. If he had some of Collingwood's heart he'd be some player...
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Shocking decision to give Vince out by the third umpire. He just needs England to show faith in him and I think he could become a world class player. The problem these days is if you have a bad spell or get out a similar way a few times your written off as not good enough. Some players take longer to develop at the top level than others, doesn't mean he's not good enough!
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Pakistan put in their place, they love boosting the win/loss ratio against the Mickey Mouse sides not against England.
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First ODI v Pakistan Moeen being rested as a precaution part time spinner Denly to get his chance to show if he can make it as 3rd choice spinner for the World Cup
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Quite glad I didn't buy a ticket for today
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Following the rain a thunderstorm forecast over the oval at 2 and 4pm
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Jofra's first over was absurd, penny for Imam-ul-Haq's thoughts.
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Dunno how you can leave Archer out of the WC squad
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Jofra's first over was absurd, penny for Imam-ul-Haq's thoughts.
Imam will be requesting Inzy sets up a series against Zimbabwe...
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I assume it is only being shown on Sky Sports?
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Jofra's first over was absurd, penny for Imam-ul-Haq's thoughts.
Nipping all over the place! Interesting to see they took him off after 4 overs. Presumably the plan just to give him the short bursts and keep him fresh. 5mph quicker than any other bowler than we have got playing
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I assume it is only being shown on Sky Sports?
Off topic - but does anyone on here know if there are WC highlights on terrestrial TV?
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On T4. Was announced yesterday.
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On T4. Was announced yesterday.
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Thanks for that, just looked it up. Eng games, both semi-finals and final only. I'll have to obtain someone's Skygo password so i can watch the other games. Just baffles me that the ECB/ICC are happy to have such a big event only broadcast to a minority.
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Yasir Shah looking like the mediocre bowler he is when not bowling on sandpits. No skill or heart
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Buttler is a freak, but we know this already
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Pakistan fan here... but yes Butler is class!
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We all knew England had the batting covered but it is interesting how these bowlers are going considering Archer is on the sidelines watching on.
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Badly seems to be the answer. This might be the game that nails down his spot.
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Pakistan probably going to come up short but England's bowlers today were average at best. Archer is needed in the WC squad for sure
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Think Pakistan will take more positives as they aren't seen as a strong batting side... great game...
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We won!
Which is a good thing but not the end of the world if we lost. As at the end of the day this series is more about getting our Lads in form and selections down for the World Cup than it is to win this series.
For England on a good day this was probably a 400 plus pitch, but Jason Roy getting some form and time in the middle was needed, so his unusually slow and very nervous looking start was more about getting him time in the middle than us a big score.
Biggest shock was probably willie bowling well at the death. Good for him, but archer still has to be first of the pace bowler on the team sheet.
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Said it before but we can score runs but Pakistan got mighty close.
We regularly concede big scores.
Looks like Archer has that bit extra we need to challenge for the trophy.
Who gets left out perhaps is for another day.
But he's in by the looks of it :)
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I think woakes may be struggling for form.
Looking forward to seeing wood and archer playing on the same team with willy and stokes.
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Willy and Wood together again- fnrr fnrr 😛
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Said it before but we can score runs but Pakistan got mighty close.
We regularly concede big scores.
Looks like Archer has that bit extra we need to challenge for the trophy.
Who gets left out perhaps is for another day.
But he's in by the looks of it :)
Archers nailed on that's why he don't play not only does he give England the pace they have been missing he has the lot bouncers Yorkers etc plus he can do a bowling job for England at the start middle or death.
Willey without any cloud cover to assist him and on a flat pitch was Englands best bowler yesterday
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I think woakes may be struggling for form.
Looking forward to seeing wood and archer playing on the same team with willy and stokes.
Yes also got lucky with the wicket on Morgan's review off the toe end of the bat batter should have left it and had a wide
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Yes also got lucky with the wicket on Morgan's review off the toe end of the bat batter should have left it and had a wide
That's cricket! We've all been out chasing a wide one!
It was a very good review, you can't criticize woakes for a batters mistake
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That's cricket! We've all been out chasing a wide one!
It was a very good review, you can't criticize woakes for a batters mistake
Your right got away with it against the tail but at the top level you need to do more than bowl wide of the stumps to stop a top order batter scoring Pakistan were disappointed that the umpire only called one wide in that last over
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Anyone who saw the match notice the state of the ball? Seems some inconclusive pictures of one side of the ball being very ragged when we were bowling...
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A lot of Pakistan fans on Facebook are accusing Plunkett of messing with the ball using a video of him rubbing the seam and a unlinked photo of the side of the ball. Agreed the ball looked in shocking nick but if that much damage was caused by finger scratching then they need to look at the manufacturing of the balls. The ball to me looked like it was ruined by being hit out and on to concrete etc.
Either way the ICC have came out and said there will be no investigations so as I said I think it’s more a problem with the durability of the ball.
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Beauty from Woakes
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https://ranked-list-images.files.bbci.co.uk/PickYourAll-TimeEnglandODIXI-6d88a93f92e01503c89e8628748a97c3.html
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Woakes has looked a bit under pace but yep that was a peach. Pakistan players should be kicking themselves if they miss out at Bristol though!
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breaking news
Chris Woakes in unplayable delivery shock. :)
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Are we thinking that Archer is now nailed on already for a WC spot as he isn't playing today. Surely if they were unsure they would want him playing all of the games etc... especially as he was rested for the last one and the the 1st ODI was a wash out.
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I suspect that Archer is in! May even be a real consideration for the Ashes if his form continues!!
I think they are trying to decide who misses out from Willey, Plunkett, TC and Woakes.
Good to see England not putting the strongest team out all the time. Rotation just before is important, especially when you're still deciding on the final squad.
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Am I the only one who is beginning to doubt Ben Stokes as an all-rounder?
His bowling has looked particular weak recently.
Hate to criticise the bloke but his performances haven't been that great for quite some time now.
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I suspect that Archer is in! May even be a real consideration for the Ashes if his form continues!!
I think they are trying to decide who misses out from Willey, Plunkett, TC and Woakes.
Good to see England not putting the strongest team out all the time. Rotation just before is important, especially when you're still deciding on the final squad.
Don't forget that Wood hasn't played yet either. Is he definitely in due to that?
Stokes' bowling has gone downhill after his injuries.
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Stokes is a better red ball bowler than he is a white ball bowler.
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IMO play Stokes as much as possible and if form doesn't improve, then how about bringing Sam in? I know that SC may not be as good as Stokes if Stokes were on form. But with the form he's in at the moment, you could do a lot worse than looking at SC....
I am just saying as an option if is form doesn't improve?
Plus having SC in means that you have a left arm swing bowler in case that Willey doesn't make it into the final 15!
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Don't forget that Wood hasn't played yet either. Is he definitely in due to that?
Stokes' bowling has gone downhill after his injuries.
Wood's not fit to play at the moment I think... could save the selectors a decision if he doesn't play a game in this series.
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The way i look at it is..... how many overs is Stokes actually going to bowl? Final side is going to have Rashid & Mo plus 3 seamers (whoever they are), so Stokes and Root are your 6th bowler - so he's only really going to be required to bowl a few overs.
It is really whether he is getting any runs we should be worried about i think, becuase at some point the top order we get out cheaply - as we have seen in the past.
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Are we thinking that Archer is now nailed on already for a WC spot as he isn't playing today. Surely if they were unsure they would want him playing all of the games etc... especially as he was rested for the last one and the the 1st ODI was a wash out.
I think you are spot on decision already made.
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Making this look like an absolute doddle
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I was just going to type how amazing Jason Roy looks and he just let me down! :(
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Don't forget that Wood hasn't played yet either. Is he definitely in due to that?
Stokes' bowling has gone downhill after his injuries.
Wood tipped to play next match and probably match 5.
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I really don't get what Denly's role in this squad is? I mean he is playing today for Rashid so as the 2nd spinner (as he is down to bat at 7) but Morgan only gives him 1 over!
So if Morgan doesn't think he can do the job of the 3rd/back up spinner, then surely Dawson should be playing?
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Bairstow upsetting the oppo.
Shouting to the bowler “12 over old and you’ve got it reversing??” Then giving him a shrug. Lol
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I don't think Stokes is the same player in both formats since the Bristol incident.
His personality is what makes him the competitor he is, maybe if it's not full on it affects his performances.
He would not be the first sportsman to be like that.
I think we have seen the best of him myself. Terrific player and a game changer
Hope I'm wrong thou.
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Well that was easy.
And without our best Isi batsmen.
Woakes took 4 on the worlds flattest pitch ever. Anyone wanting to tell us what he did wrong today?
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Interesting Morgan saying that Wood should be ready for the next ODI in Trent Bridge and with Archer not playing the last 2 you would think he would be back.
So an attack with Wood and Archer could be fun.
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Ridiculous boundary at Trent Bridge shocker
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6wy03YX4AEj-5X.jpg)
I'm no expert but surely can't conform to the regulations?!
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Ridiculous boundary at Trent Bridge shocker
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6wy03YX4AEj-5X.jpg)
I'm no expert but surely can't conform to the regulations?!
The ICC ODI boundary regulations below -
19.1.3 The aim shall be to maximize the size of the playing area at each venue. With respect to the size of the boundaries, no boundary shall be longer than 90 yards (82.29 meters), and no boundary should be shorter than 65 yards (59.43 metres) from the centre of the pitch to be used.
19.1.4 At all times, there must be 3 yards (2.74 meters) from the boundary rope to the first solid object (advertising boards/LEDs, photographers, cameramen, dug outs, covers, perimeter fence) for the player’s safety run off.
19.1.5 If the boundary is positioned less than 90 yards (82.29 meters) from the centre of the pitch, the boundary rope cannot be set at a distance of more than 10 yards (9.14 meters) from the perimeter fence. The 10 yards shall be inclusive of the 3 yards (2.74 meters) provided for the player’s safety run off.
Is that 60m????
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Had a look on Google maps and make it almost exactly 60m, which I'm guessing is not a coincidence.
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Not quite sure why Buttler's elected to bowl first either...
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Not quite sure why Buttler's elected to bowl first either...
I think they are just really using these are tests for everyone and want to see how everyone goes in all the situations etc....
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I guess they also want to see how Archer and Wood bowl under pressure maybe? On a ground where short boundaries and high scores happen!
And no point in batting first with the batting changes they have made either. Bairstow and Morgs are important part of the agressive batting England have!
If England don't bowl well, and with the batting lineup they have, this could backfire quite easily!! Pakistan do have a decent batting lineup so a decent chance for them I say!
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Not quite sure why Buttler's elected to bowl first either...
England are a team that prefer to chase a score.
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Sounds as if Wood has something to prove! Namely that he wants to be the quickest England bowler!
I don't have Sky, so didn't see it. But hope Imam-ul-Haq isn't broken...they need him for the WC for sure.
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Hope Imam is alright. That blow looked nasty
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Flat track bully Imam once again exposed by pace bowling
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Flat track bully Imam once again exposed by pace bowling
Really? this is the flattest track in all the land in ODI cricket!
As others have said hope Imam is ok! didnt sound good on TMS
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He got sorted out due to this incompetence against fast bowling. You just have to look at his red ball record to see he’s a fairly average player
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Flat track bully Imam once again exposed by pace bowling
He looked like a right flat track bully last game aswell didnt he. You dont half talk a load of (No Swearing Please) some times. I dont know what issue you have with players of Asian/Pakistani origin but you look like a right prat whenever you post tripe like this.
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Really? this is the flattest track in all the land in ODI cricket!
As others have said hope Imam is ok! didnt sound good on TMS
Ouch!!
https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1129367352330674182?s=19
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He looked like a right flat track bully last game aswell didnt he. You dont half talk a load of (No Swearing Please) some times. I dont know what issue you have with players of Asian/Pakistani origin but you look like a right prat whenever you post tripe like this.
Yeah he plodded to his 151 then got put in his place by Jonny...
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Yeah he plodded to his 151 then got put in his place by Jonny...
and how many times have you ht 151 in one day international cricket
pipe down
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Yeah he plodded to his 151 then got put in his place by Jonny...
His strike rate was identical to Joe Roots in that game. Did he plod along aswell?
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and how many times have you ht 151 in one day international cricket
pipe down
Imam scoring 151 is more due to a flat pitch than any natural talent. He’s more in his element minnow bashing Zimbabwe.
Might not have scored 151 but I’ve never had my arm snapped either...
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Wood and Archer both topping 90 mph also great catch by Wood
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Imam scoring 151 is more due to a flat pitch than any natural talent. He’s more in his element minnow bashing Zimbabwe.
Might not have scored 151 but I’ve never had my arm snapped either...
Lol..a forum member comparing themselves to an international player and claiming that they are better :D :D :D
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Imam scoring 151 is more due to a flat pitch than any natural talent. He’s more in his element minnow bashing Zimbabwe.
Might not have scored 151 but I’ve never had my arm snapped either...
Wish I had a chance to bat on a flat pitch if it adds that many runs to your score.
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I reckon 380-400 is on here!
This is going to take a lot of chasing, especially when Bairstow and Morgs are not playing!
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Pakistan missing out didn't get after Denly currently lack of urgency in the last 20 overs with 9 wickets in hand 380 unless there's a charge looks a long way off
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Wood bowling at 90mph gets the breakthrough
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Pakistan gonna end up 40-50 runs short of what they should have got.
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is this good by england or a bit "spursy" from pakistan
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is this good by england or a bit "spursy" from pakistan
More of the latter, they don't have a Razzaq to come in and launch the ball out of the ground in the last 10 overs.
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props to imam for coming back in but surely one of the bowlers can come in and biff a few and he can come in at 11 (worse case scenario) and tap it around like he is doing
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Imam scoring 151 is more due to a flat pitch than any natural talent. He’s more in his element minnow bashing Zimbabwe.
Might not have scored 151 but I’ve never had my arm snapped either...
So you’re a better batter than Imam, and a better bowler than M Abbas, who you called a second division trundler. A true Gary Sobers. A shame the IPL has been ignoring you for so long.
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Imad Wasim, who is usually very good has been going for a lot of runs....another concern for Pakistan.
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This is too easy
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Roy gone for a sparkling ton
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butler gone aswell. Game on
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3 big wickets there
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Well that got interesting quickly!
Is it just me, or does Moeen always get out like a tw*t when the pressure is on?
I don’t think he’s the man for a crisis!
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Well that got interesting quickly!
Is it just me, or does Moeen always get out like a tw*t when the pressure is on?
I don’t think he’s the man for a crisis!
He wants to give Denly a chance because he [Moeen] is a lovely young man and none of us should ever say a bad word about him.
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The same could be said about butler today tbh. Denly also getting out poorly. Its all on stokes
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How do you get a run out decision wrong when the bails and stumps light up to tell you when they've been dislodged?
If England win this game from here...
Bumble is trying to claim they didn't appeal (Based on Safraz in the replay but we don't know if any of the 10 others appealed which would be sufficient) but they did appeal for the first one at least as it did go up to the third umpire in the first place, in which case surely they should check both run outs just like DRS checks for all forms of dismissal?
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They only appealed for one run out though it's not like lbw and finding it was caught
Also Tom Curran has to be int he world cup squad after today and Ireland!!
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They only appealed for one run out though it's not like lbw and finding it was caught
Also Tom Curran has to be int he world cup squad after today and Ireland!!
Time to start analysing the tape until we find the boundary rider appealing from behind the grassy knoll.
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Think this shows the batting quality of our side
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Think this shows the batting quality of our side
It's so far ahead of the curve it's silly. England simply have to win the World Cup right?
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Does anyone else think Root is a bit of a weak link? Seems to be struggling a bit for tempo.
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Does anyone else think Root is a bit of a weak link? Seems to be struggling a bit for tempo.
No. Why are we always looking for someone to drop? “Stokes scored some runs, dam, better find someone else to say we should drop”
Wind back ten years and the root of today would be the top odi player of any side. But you know we are England fans. Got to moan at someone
We just had a poor game with the bat, lost wicket in quick succession, out top batsmen got a duck, 2 of our best batsman rested and still chased down 341!!
Just sit back and enjoy.
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Root is the perfect player for our side
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So you’re a better batter than Imam, and a better bowler than M Abbas, who you called a second division trundler. A true Gary Sobers. A shame the IPL has been ignoring you for so long.
Remind me what Abbas did when he went to South Africa...oh yes he was slapped around with his 70mph lollipop bowling.
Not hard to be better than any Pakistani player tbh, they lack heart
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Root's averaging 50 after 100+ matches, his place can never be in doubt. But whom ever advised him to work on his power hitting should be sacked.
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Root's averaging 50 after 100+ matches, his place can never be in doubt. But whom ever advised him to work on his power hitting should be sacked.
No coach has asked Root to work on that, he is doing it totally himself. His ideal as he has said in interview-perhaps you are saying he should sack himself?
Despite the popular view on this forum, coaches are not responsible for all things bad in the modern game.
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This is a bit brutal
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Woakes. But is he any good?
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Drop woakes...
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Flat track bully or something
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Woakes looks like he's getting that little bit of extra snap back in his action, good timing pre-wc!
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Adil Rashid take a bow!!
Not bad from butter either!!!!
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Drop woakes...
(https://i.postimg.cc/FRTtzjq1/IMG-20190519-175246.png) (https://postimg.cc/Hc8vP7TC)
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And five for Chris woakes!!
#dropwoakes
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Do people still want to drop Woakes from the World Cup squad?
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Easy enough for England, Wiley looked like he was about to blow a gasket at the end though, dont think he liked the tailenders tonking him about the park
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Easy enough for England, Wiley looked like he was about to blow a gasket at the end though, dont think he liked the tailenders tonking him about the park
Maybe that's because the press have the final 11 as a shoot out between him and Curran, with Vince in Hales old spot as spare baseman...
I think they have that right myself. I'd like to know a bit more thou about the value of Mo Ali.love him to bits as a player but sometimes wonder why he is a bolt on certainty.
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Spinner who whacks it - no one else is really close to his ability in that role.
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We win another game.... but the guy mentioned to be drop yesterday top scored.
Who can we think to drop after this win??
Moeen Ali, hasn’t really done that’s well with bat this series, but he’s just come off an ipl where despite being mucked about by his skipper, was probably Bangalore’s best player over the tournament.
He even out hit kohli and abv on occasions.
Also today, he bowled all ten, and had a better economy than Rashid, Curran and stokes.
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I really do question whether Denly should be there and it was interesting that in the match preview today they asked, Hussain, Atherton and Bumble what their squad would be and they all had Dawson in instead of Denly.
Of the seamers -
Atherton dropped Willey
Nasser and Bumble dropped Wood
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Decision time, isn't it?
I think our best side is probably:
Roy
Bairstow (w)
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Archer
Rashid
Plus One
So five spots left, theoretically for a back up batsman, back up spinner and three quicks. In the frame we appear to have Vince, Denly, Dawson, Curran, Plunkett, Willey and Wood. Personally, I reckon Vince and Curran have nailed down their places, but from there it is anyone's guess.
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I am leaving out Wood and telling him to play red ball cricket ready for the Ashes.
I am also leaving out Denly and having Dawson in the squad.
I wouldn't have Vince either, but there isn't a like for like experienced replacement so he is in.
@Manormanic Jos is the Keeper, not YJB...!
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There are 2 options to the framework of the side - 3 sections!
Section 1 - 7 spaces: Top 6 batsment (plus spare makes 7)
Section 2 - 3 spaces: Spin section
Section 3 - 5 spaces: Pace section
So section 1 must have 1 spare due to the long and punishing schedule! Note than Ali could in theory slip into this section in an emergency!
Section 2 should have Ali and Rashid plus a spare in a perfect World although spare spinner is perhaps not as critical as a spare top order batsmen.
Section 3 is the most difficult as there are 6 bowlers trying to fit into 5 probable spaced!
Section 1 is probably the easiest to predict!
Roy / Baistow / Root / Morgan / Buttler / Stokes / Vince
Section 2 is easy for 2 of the 3 spaces
Rashid / Ali / Denly or Dawson
For the record, I would take Dawson!
Denly hasn't shown anything with the bat or ball!
Dawson is in superb form and also offes Left arm variation. He is taking tons of wickets in Div 1 and has hit some form with the bat too, although batting is less important!
Section 3 is the toughie!!
Woakes / Archer / Curran
Then 2 from..
Wood
Plunkett
Willey
I do think Wood is quality when he is fit. So for me it would be a choice between Willey and Plunkett for the 5th place.
There is of course 1 way to fit all the pace bowlers in.
That is to only have 2 spinners with no real spare. Root is a decent backup and I think offers a comparible spin option to Denly!
So if there were 7 in the batting section and 2 spinners. That would leave 6 places available for the pace section! IMO that would leave the squad unbalanced, but I am sure they are looking at all options!
Plus in the later knockout stages of the WC, the pitches are likely to be a little more worn and less green (assuming we get some warming, sunnier weather soon!!) and therefore the 3rd spinner in section 2 would probably be useful!
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As it is far too late to try out any other top order batsmen, my 15 would the following:
Roy
Bairstow (backup keeper)
Root
Morgan
Buttler (Keeper)
Stokes
Vince
Rashid
Ali
Dawson
Woakes
Archer
Curran
Wood
Willey
Initial starting XI
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Curran
Archer
Rashid
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Since Archer came in the last seam spot has always been down to Curran vs Willey for me, the case for Woakes/Plunkett/Wood was always much stronger. Would have gone for Willey previously but Curran has done a bit too well in this series to leave him out.
If you don't pick Vince at this point, who do you pick? Noone else to choose from who's played more than a couple of games. I'd probably prefer Malan, but he's played one ODI and didn't get any. Personally I'd consider going on a different strategy and picking Foakes, but that's probably unrealistic.
Denly hasn't done enough for me so the Moeen Ali understudy spot would go to Dawson, or if I'd had a few beers before the selection meeting, Samit Patel.
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As it is far too late to try out any other top order batsmen, my 15 would the following:
Roy
Bairstow (backup keeper)
Root
Morgan
Buttler (Keeper)
Stokes
Vince
Rashid
Ali
Dawson
Woakes
Archer
Curran
Wood
Willey
Initial starting XI
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Curran
Archer
Rashid
Yep bang on Pete, this is exactly how i have it as well.
However, i have a feeling it will be Willey who gets the chop (sounds painful :o :() and they will stick with Denly as he is Smith's pet project.