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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Chompy9760 on July 08, 2019, 01:12:21 AM
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Is anyone following this, or is it another example of English cricket being kept from the masses by pay TV?
After a convincing series against WI, England are finding the going a bit tougher, with Aus going 6-0 up after taking a clean sweep of the ODI's.
First two games were very good, but last night Elyse Perry was amazing with a record 7/22 that ripped through the English top order having them 21/6 at one stage, with the tail wagging to be all out for 75, chasing 269!
A textbook example of how to bowl at the stumps :) , and also a textbook example of how not to bat when the bowlers are attacking the stumps :( 4 LBW, 2 bowled, 2 caught behind
Many of the English girls seem to love either taking strike on, or shuffling in front of their stumps, and paid the price.
Interesting that despite hawkeye tracking being there, the women don't get reviews :o Why???
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Our performances have been getting gradually worse.
Aussies are much better than us and they have a pro first class kind of level. It isn't a surprise.
Our bowling has been good enough, but batting has let us down.
The girls will have a fight on their hands to avoid a whitewash
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I really don't think the bowling was special.
Not 1 of our top 6 played straight. Every single one of them got out playing around their pad or accross the line. Mark butcher was saying that the girls made the bowling look unplayable when in reality all they did was bowl straight and wobble it around a bit.
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Batting was woeful looking at the dismissals. However the gap will widen, the Aussies I believe have something like 60 full time cricketers, we have about 20. Plus going forward there seems to be no women's county cricket going forward. So how women's cricket can grow and flourish I don't know.
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From what I heard in commentary, England are the current T20 world champs, so there is certainly talent there, and maybe it will reveal itself in future games. Tammy Beaumont was fantastic in game 2, and they were very competetive in the first two games. Brunt doing her ankle during a wicket celebration, and missing game 3 left a big hole.
There is huge momentum in Australia towards women's participation in traditional men's sports. Over the past 3 years AFLW has attracted a lot of attention, and drawn many women from other 'traditional' women's sports at a national and grassroots level. Women's cricket is more established, and hasn't had the same level of growth, but the past 4 years of Women's BBL has definitely generated more interest in women's cricket. I think most of the games have free admission, and they get as many as possible on free TV, so Cricket Australia are making a big effort to generate interest.
There have been 2 handy girls come through our local Junior cricket association in the last few years, Vs none in the 30 odd years before that, so you could argue that it's working.
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From what I heard in commentary, England are the current T20 world champs, so there is certainly talent there, and maybe it will reveal itself in future games.
England are current 50 over World Champions (won in 2017) and Australia are current T20 World Champions (having beaten England in the 2018 final)
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It might just be my imagination but the Aussie ladies look so much fitter than their English counterparts. I think also that England's preparation in playing a poor West Indies team has worked against them in terms of what you can get away with in terms of shot selection. West Indies also shelled quite a few catches so England often got away with loose shots in that series.
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England are comfortably the second best team in the world but Australia are pulling off into the distance.
England were the first side to turn professional and had a period of dominance, now Australia are the first side to have a fully professional domestic set up and will similarly enjoy a period at the top.
If the ECB are serious about catching Australia it will take a serious long term investment.
I can't see that replicating the 18-team set up of the men's first class game would be worthwhile - it doesn't work for the men's game - but a targeted investment in making a number of fully professional women's sides would broaden the player base and make a career in cricket more viable than it currently is
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What’s been blindingly obvious is that mr Robinson decided to end the career of the teams best batsman. He used the excuse of running between the wickets but she was stand out head and shoulders still well ahead of the rest. At the time there was one who looked like challenging that, miss Taylor. Sadly, whilst her keeping is exceptional her batting simply hasn’t recovered after illness. The rest, whilst better than the ‘rest’ used to be, simply aren’t very good.
Australia have two of the worlds premier women’s players in Perry and lanning but what is really winning it is the standard of the next batch.. Healy , shutte Etc Etc
Quite simply, this England side over eggs itself as some grest team when it isn’t. The women need to stop ponsing about and actually improve or ship out
Gunn is past it
Knight is over rated
Jones can beat on crap but against anthing good isn’t good (shame as I do like her too 🙈)
Shrubsole still does t look fit
Brunt is aging and slowing down
Ecclestone.. over rated
Wyatt is a good hitter but nothing more
Sciver flstters to deceive time and time again
Beaumont seems fairly consistent tbf
Winfield awful
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England are current 50 over World Champions (won in 2017) and Australia are current T20 World Champions (having beaten England in the 2018 final)
Thanks for clearing up my mixup :) Either way, there is must be a lot of talent that for whatever reason, hasn't fully shown itself so far.
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What’s been blindingly obvious is that mr Robinson decided to end the career of the teams best batsman. He used the excuse of running between the wickets but she was stand out head and shoulders still well ahead of the rest. At the time there was one who looked like challenging that, miss Taylor. Sadly, whilst her keeping is exceptional her batting simply hasn’t recovered after illness. The rest, whilst better than the ‘rest’ used to be, simply aren’t very good.
Australia have two of the worlds premier women’s players in Perry and lanning but what is really winning it is the standard of the next batch.. Healy , shutte Etc Etc
Quite simply, this England side over eggs itself as some grest team when it isn’t. The women need to stop ponsing about and actually improve or ship out
Gunn is past it
Knight is over rated
Jones can beat on crap but against anthing good isn’t good (shame as I do like her too 🙈)
Shrubsole still does t look fit
Brunt is aging and slowing down
Ecclestone.. over rated
Wyatt is a good hitter but nothing more
Sciver flstters to deceive time and time again
Beaumont seems fairly consistent tbf
Winfield awful
Summed it up pretty well there
England side always come across as over confident, over hyped and an air of arrogance. Aussies showing them up so far, and just get their heads down and get job done minimal of fuss
Wont get any better either by the looks of things as womens county cricket is to be scrapped or severely reduced anyway. Katie Levick of Yorkshire is usually fairly vocal about that on Twitter. Shes one that's been let down by the system and its cliques
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It's nice to see some test match cricket in some form or another, Australia winning the toss and Batting first on a strangely dry pitch, spin in the 11th over of the day but Ecclestone walked off in tears after hurting her shoulder attempting a catch. It could be a long day in the field for England with Healy hitting them well and Lanning showing some ominous signs of form.
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Complete lack of penetration in the bowling sadly costing England currently. Perry as usual batting well
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Team selection and choice of surface to play on made with the hope of batting first and making a big score before bowling Australia out twice on a deteriorating track. Hard work once Australia win the toss and batted.
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Shrubsole and Brunt look fat and unfit, hardly sends confidence through the rest of the side
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Team selection and choice of surface to play on made with the hope of batting first and making a big score before bowling Australia out twice on a deteriorating track. Hard work once Australia win the toss and batted.
To be fair I don't think they have much choice. They have to win the Test to stay alive after getting thumped in all the ODI's.
Best way to produce a result st Taunton is to play on a dry used wicket that's going to turn lots. Absolutely no point playing on a new fresh road where it ends in a draw.
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To be fair I don't think they have much choice. They have to win the Test to stay alive after getting thumped in all the ODI's.
Best way to produce a result st Taunton is to play on a dry used wicket that's going to turn lots. Absolutely no point playing on a new fresh road where it ends in a draw.
Agreed, it was really a factual statement rather than a criticism. Australia have been fairly ruthless today in ensuring that England can't win the series
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Agreed, it was really a factual statement rather than a criticism. Australia have been fairly ruthless today in ensuring that England can't win the series
I think the simple fact is this series is showing how far we have fallen behind Australia by in my opinion just stagnating with the same and not moving forward in Women's Cricket.
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I think the simple fact is this series is showing how far we have fallen behind Australia by in my opinion just stagnating with the same and not moving forward in Women's Cricket.
I agree. The women have a problem in that they have/are producing less high quality payers but more bits and pieces types. A few are also massively over rated and it all feels way to safe for this group
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Agreed, it was really a factual statement rather than a criticism. Australia have been fairly ruthless today in ensuring that England can't win the series
It has been an entertaining battle. Losing most of day 2 to rain in a 4 day match has all but killed any chance of a result. I think Aus still had an eye on bowling England out twice for the win. Despite losing Beaumont early, Jones and Knight started aggressively and were well on top of some loose Aus bowling early, clearly intent on a win. Since the bowling tightened up, the intent has disappeared. Brunt's 15 from 75 and Shrubsole 1* from 36 tells the story.
Certainly hard to see a result from here, but stranger things have happened.
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Draw, and Australia retain the ashes!
England batted with a lot more purpose today, Sciver went on with it deserving a ton, but fell short. Declaring shortly after avoiding the follow on showed that they were still in looking for the win, but there was never going to be enough time.
I thought Aus might still go hard early, declare and try for the win, but losing 3 early wickets put an end to that. Perry again superb with 70 not out, to confirm her as player of the match.
Aus would be pleased with their three debutantes. Molineux got runs and picked up 4/95, Gardiner got a wicket, and after a nervous first spell, it was great to see Tayla Vlaeminck bowling with genuine pace and agression. Her couple overs to Marsh were superb - one to watch for the future.
Overall, a great contest and you have to wonder why the women don't get more test matches. Full points to Channel 9 for their live coverage of this series. Now, onto the T20's!
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I think the simple fact is this series is showing how far we have fallen behind Australia by in my opinion just stagnating with the same and not moving forward in Women's Cricket.
Australia have a domestic structure in place which will see that gap widening. The question is whether the ECB is prepared to put in place the investment that would be required to produce a pool of players sufficient to compete with Australia (and the wider question as to whether it is sufficiently rewarding to convince good athletes to consider a career in cricket in the first place)
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Australia cruising in the first t20
Different league so far
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Australia cruising in the first t20
Different league so far
England again look toothless and a weak attack. Cross, ecclestone very poor and shrubsole/brunt look very unfit
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Lanning quite literally taking the mick out of England .. Perry isn’t even bothering to bat
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Lanning quite literally taking the mick out of England .. Perry isn’t even bothering to bat
Yep!! It's embarrassing were not going to get close
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Yep!! It's embarrassing were not going to get close
It’s game over already basically.
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Wasting tv coverage showing this ahead of the blast
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Wasting tv coverage showing this ahead of the blast
Some of the blast games have or will be just as one sided as it’s the format tbf. Plus, it’s good to show women’s stuff a side it raises its profile.
Sadly, this game is pointless and englsnd have nothing to play for
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poor run
Games over, you are not chasing it. Just bat out the overs. No point getting skittled
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^ Anyone of you a woman? Women here?
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I didn't see any of this but it sounds like it was a Meg Lanning exhibition 133* from just 63 balls! She was quiet in the test, but made up for it today :)
I'll admit I was concerned as England have succesfully chased a record total before, and this game being played at England's 'Fortress' Chelmsford, where they have never been beaten in T20. Quite an achievement girls!
They were super keen to avoid a repeat the previous ashes tie, and have now officially retained the ashes.
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Aus take the second T20 in convincing style to go 12-2 up.
I thought they were pretty ordinary in the field, with Mooney dropping a couple sitters, and Healy putting one down as well, but did very well to hold England to 8/121
Despite losing early wickets, Lanning 43* and Perry 47* took complete control for a 7 wicket win.
Lanning showed brilliant control in batting to what the situation required. After her swashbuckling last innings, she was happy to put away the big shots and do what was required to win the game and finish not out. A true captain's performance.
An amazing milestone came up as Ellyse Perry became the first person (male or female) to bring up 1000 T20I runs and 100 T20I wickets. That is an amazing achievement!
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I’ve watched a few bits,,and the England women are pretty dire
I know there’s a lot more money thrown into the women’s game these days, with central contracts etc
But from what I’ve seen,they are light years away from the Aussies
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The scorelines seem to indicate that, but I can't help but think that if Beaumont and/or Wyatt have a day on, it could all change very quickly as they both have the skills to take the game away from you.
Beaumont was agressive and despite a couple lucky ones, looked comfortable until trying to reverse sweep a yorker
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Perry is actually one hell of a cricketer, wonder how she would go in Aus grade cricket.
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Well, it had to happen. With every game you are getting closer to ending your losing / winning streak, and England refused to be kept down, and win the final T20 to record their first Ashes win, but lose the series 12-4.
After posting a competetive 5/139, the England girls bowled well, and Aus never really looked like making the runs. Perry brilliant as always with 60* from 50, but couldn't find a partner to stay with her, as England kept the wickets tumbling. Eccleston great with 3/22 and Brunt came good with 3/21 and 25* to take player of the match award, as Aus came up 17 runs short.
Ellyse Perry's stats for this Ashes series are almost beyond comprehension. I haven't heard anything about player of the series, but surely this performance is it.
Leading run scorer with 378 runs @ 94.5
Leading wicket taker with 15 @ 12.86
1 century, 3 fifties
Best Bowling 7/22
Well done to all the girls on a well fought series!
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This squad isn’t good enough. Serious changes and questions on the players, coaches and system. There won’t be tho
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@RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie the question is, where do we find a better group of players from?
The English domestic game isn't anywhere near as strong as the Australian set up, and the difference it makes is becoming clear.
While changes to the system appear necessary, it won't be an overnight fix.
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@RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie the question is, where do we find a better group of players from?
The English domestic game isn't anywhere near as strong as the Australian set up, and the difference it makes is becoming clear.
While changes to the system appear necessary, it won't be an overnight fix.
All very valid .. sadly, there are people paid a lot of money who should be sorting this out. The fact they fail but still draw wages is another problem
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I don't see that changing the players or the coach is going to make any difference. The only question to be asked is whether the ECB is prepared to give the same financial backing to womens cricket in this county as Cricket Australia does in theirs and, even then, it will take years for that to filter through into a larger group of players. And for all that, take Ellyse Perry out of the Aussie side and put her into the England one and I say that England wins that series. No shame in losing to the best female player to have played the game