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Equipment => Bats => Bat Care => Topic started by: Mfarank on October 02, 2019, 04:22:36 AM
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Its the GM Neon 808 that i got back in February. Hasnt yet fully opened up enough for me to take it into a game. Been just netting with it and today i notice this. What started as a surface crack on the face (which i superglued and sanded) You can now already see the crack forming all along the toe. Can this be saved at this point or is it just a matter of time?
(https://i.postimg.cc/mr8D1WrZ/IMG-20191002-081340.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pq3DswYM/IMG-20191002-081430.jpg)
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I think it is just a matter of time. It looks pretty bad mate.
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A mate had something similar that was fixed and has been fine since
V sports in Coventry did the work and put a lamitoe in and it's been fine since bat is a canon though
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A mate had something similar that was fixed and has been fine since
V sports in Coventry did the work and put a lamitoe in and it's been fine since bat is a canon though
Unfortunately i dont think anyone here in the UAE is capable of pulling off something like that
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Unfortunately i dont think anyone here in the UAE is capable of pulling off something like that
if you think its dead, give it a go yourself? whats the worst that could happen?
sounds like your expecting to need a new bat anyway, best case scenario would be you keep a bat that you like and enjoy using, worst case you get a new bat.. win win???
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if you think its dead, give it a go yourself? whats the worst that could happen?
sounds like your expecting to need a new bat anyway, best case scenario would be you keep a bat that you like and enjoy using, worst case you get a new bat.. win win???
This sounds like a plan!
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I had similar crack to one of my bats. I glued it and did play with it untill one missed shot and it opened up again.
Fix it yourself and see how long it lasts.
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Think i will just go ahead and keep using it in the nets until it gives in. Was a net bat anyway. Cause it hasnt yet opened. Wait for the crack to open and then have a go at fixing it
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If you got in Feb this year, you could always just email GM and see what they say, they may offer to repair free of charge or even replace, which is unlikely but you never know.
If your looking at Lamitoe maybe email or contact Dean at Vulcan cricket and ask his advice as he puts these in as standard on Vulcan bats
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If you got in Feb this year, you could always just email GM and see what they say, they may offer to repair free of charge or even replace, which is unlikely but you never know.
If your looking at Lamitoe maybe email or contact Dean at Vulcan cricket and ask his advice as he puts these in as standard on Vulcan bats
I dont think toe damage like this covers in the GM warranty. It is afterall completely my fault and i dont blame GM in any way whatsoever. Moreover i have had to remove the stickers cause they were on top of the scuff sheet (so frustrating) so not sure if they will entertain. Worth a try though. Any contact details?
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Lamitoe is hard to do without the right equipment, at the very least you'll need a plunge router and a guide jig.
I think a dowel would be just as successful for this repair and much simpler to execute without heaps of tools.
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I dont think toe damage like this covers in the GM warranty. It is afterall completely my fault and i dont blame GM in any way whatsoever. Moreover i have had to remove the stickers cause they were on top of the scuff sheet (so frustrating) so not sure if they will entertain. Worth a try though. Any contact details?
SWilkinson@unicorngroup.com
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SWilkinson@unicorngroup.com
Thanks mate. I will drop an email
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Think i will just go ahead and keep using it in the nets until it gives in. Was a net bat anyway. Cause it hasnt yet opened. Wait for the crack to open and then have a go at fixing it
Find a local carpenter (finish carpenter) with a cricket background (Commonwealth nationality), which will be easy to locate in UAE. Show them few YouTube clips on how to insert a dowel, and they may do the job for free.
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On the one occasion that I fitted a lamitoe I used a bandsaw. I think a router would prove far more difficult.
With willow being such a soft timber a sharp hand saw, chisel and a vice is all you need to fit your own by hand and any compentent joiner would do this in no time.
Fitting a dowel is in my view a less good option but is a very simple job.
Good luck
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Split my GN through the blade in 2 places at the toe, going up about 4-5". I drilled in from the side, glued and dowled it. Lots of glue, sanded, then some fibre tape. Used it all winter in nets and last 5 games of the season. Still holding up fine. Worth giving it a go rather than scrapping it.
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With a couple of dowels and maybe binding aswell i think it can be saved....
Cheers....
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If this were a CA, you’d have posted in 3 different groups on Facebook, a YouTube review, a CBF thread on how it had zero percent moisture content, bad handle, incorrect pressing etc and that’s why you had a few surface cracks on a 2.8 bat with 50 mm edges ;)
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If this were a CA, you’d have posted in 3 different groups on Facebook, a YouTube review, a CBF thread on how it had zero percent moisture content, bad handle, incorrect pressing etc and that’s why you had a few surface cracks on a 2.8 bat with 50 mm edges ;)
Ohh here we go again. This is toe damage and it is through complete fault of my own because i played a very very poor shot. I have never had a bat go like this by my own hands in my life so in a way i am kinda proud of myself. Ca however have many problems not related to toe damage. When u middle a ball u dont expect a piece of wood to fly off from the edge. Also, u dont make 50mm bats that weigh 2.8 and market it to people as top of the range because u dried the life out of it. People dont know better and it is basically fraud. Im a grown up and i take responsibility for my actions. What happened to this bat is my fault because i got it for peanuts and abused the hell out of it. The Ca, on the other hand, is the 2nd most expensive bat i have ever bought and i used it with a lot of care. And it didnt last 2 games without a major repair every time i used it. And the pattern repeated with another Ca 5000 i got, another Ca 5000 my teammate bought, a Ca 15000 another teammate bought, and most recently, another Ca dragon 40mm my teammate got last month. So no. No matter how many times we have this argument, Ca aren't what they used to be 6 years ago and i wouldnt spend my money on one. And that is the end of this particular debate from my side
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Ohh here we go again. This is toe damage and it is through complete fault of my own because i played a very very poor shot. I have never had a bat go like this by my own hands in my life so in a way i am kinda proud of myself. Ca however have many problems not related to toe damage. When u middle a ball u dont expect a piece of wood to fly off from the edge. Also, u dont make 50mm bats that weigh 2.8 and market it to people as top of the range because u dried the life out of it. People dont know better and it is basically fraud. Im a grown up and i take responsibility for my actions. What happened to this bat is my fault because i got it for peanuts and abused the hell out of it. The Ca, on the other hand, is the 2nd most expensive bat i have ever bought and i used it with a lot of care. And it didnt last 2 games without a major repair every time i used it. And the pattern repeated with another Ca 5000 i got, another Ca 5000 my teammate bought, a Ca 15000 another teammate bought, and most recently, another Ca dragon 40mm my teammate got last month. So no. No matter how many times we have this argument, Ca aren't what they used to be 6 years ago and i wouldnt spend my money on one. And that is the end of this particular debate from my side
Perhaps the flaw is not with them but in your techniques and lack of preparation. I have 2 Ca 10000 that I abuse in nets and they are the best bats I have got. I use them for hard hitting toward the end of my inning.
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Perhaps the flaw is not with them but in your techniques and lack of preparation. I have 2 Ca 10000 that I abuse in nets and they are the best bats I have got. I use them for hard hitting toward the end of my inning.
Do you play tennis ball cricket? :D
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Do you play tennis ball cricket? :D
No. I just take care of my bats. I have never broken a bat in my life.
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And you think i dont take care of my bats? I have had a BB and an SS for nearly 2 years and they have been doing great with no damage at all. Hell this is the 1st GM that broke among 5 that i have used. In the case of this particular GM, yes fault in the technique. I tried to go bonkers in the nets and mistimed one. But im not that type of batsman. All due respect, you dont know me, neither have you ever seen me bat or my technique. So no, when you middle a drive and a piece of wood snaps from the side of your bat, it is not a flaw in your technique.
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So i emailed to Mr. Wilkinson over at GM and he redirected me to the retailer which was pdc. Emailed their customer service and this is what they replied.
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I guess it is fair enough. I will keep using it until it gives up. And hope that GM get off their high horse and stop putting their anti-scuff sheets under the stickers. I thank you all for your usual support and suggestions
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High horse? Lolz. They do it so the scuff isnt full of bubbles over the sticker.
Is that the official line they give?
I suspect there may also be a case of putting the scuff sheet under the stickers so you have to either risk bodging a refurb yourself or send it back to them and pay a premium.
Maybe I'm just being cynical though...
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That’s what they say and it makes sense (assuming the scuff and stickers overlap which of course they don’t need to do)
As I say, with the latest stickers especially, it is very possible to peel up the bottom section and do your own refurb
With the new stickers yes. But mine was the old neon and a large part of the stickers were under the sheet. I wouldv loved to keep the stickers but just couldnt. They tear right up
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That’s what they say and it makes sense (assuming the scuff and stickers overlap which of course they don’t need to do)
As I say, with the latest stickers especially, it is very possible to peel up the bottom section and do your own refurb
GM scuff sheets IMO are the worst to remove as they always take bits of wood away regardless of how carefully you do it!
However, they are also some of the best quality scuff sheets out there so you win some...
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GM scuff sheets IMO are the worst to remove as they always take bits of wood away regardless of how carefully you do it!
However, they are also some of the best quality scuff sheets out there so you win some...
Its true and i absolutely love the GM sheets. The GN extratec come a close 2nd. I would never have removed it if i didnt have to repair that face crack
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Yep those old stickers never go back because of the two sharp corners at the bottom.
I chopped the bottom off so I could keep the stickers but maintain the face without any extra hassle
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All or nothing for me 😂
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Its true and i absolutely love the GM sheets. The GN extratec come a close 2nd. I would never have removed it if i didnt have to repair that face crack
They are the same thing made by the same company
Most brands use the same product produced by one manufacturer.
Always take a sheet off edge to edge and heat it (hairdryer) first to avoid stripping any wood
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Its the GM Neon 808 that i got back in February. Hasnt yet fully opened up enough for me to take it into a game. Been just netting with it and today i notice this. What started as a surface crack on the face (which i superglued and sanded) You can now already see the crack forming all along the toe. Can this be saved at this point or is it just a matter of time?
(https://i.postimg.cc/mr8D1WrZ/IMG-20191002-081340.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pq3DswYM/IMG-20191002-081430.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hn58yvKS/IMG-20191002-081553.jpg)
Just had a closer look at that crack. Looks like the one going through the toe is not starting from the face crack i.e maybe not so bad, possible that on the toe line isn't a crack. what does the back of bat look like?
Best bet is to take off the tape, give that area of the face and the toe a sand down with a orbital sander to a nice smooth finish then asses the cracks. superglue on the sanded toe will highlight cracks as they turn darker and more visible.
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Just had a closer look at that crack. Looks like the one going through the toe is not starting from the face crack i.e maybe not so bad, possible that on the toe line isn't a crack. what does the back of bat look like?
Best bet is to take off the tape, give that area of the face and the toe a sand down with a orbital sander to a nice smooth finish then asses the cracks. superglue on the sanded toe will highlight cracks as they turn darker and more visible.
Will do that mate. Cheers
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So an update on this. As i expected, it was inevitable and the crack accross the toe gave up and split the bat right open. It did give me the opportunity to shove a lot of glue in there and clamp it back together. Tried to insert 2 dowels of 8mm x 7cm to reinforce, the first one was perfect but botched the 2nd one which broke about a few mm from the top when i was hammering it in so i filled it up with glue and sawdust and gave the whole thing a nice sanding to smooth things out. I have had 3 nets with it since the repair and it looks like it has held up pretty well. Some life left in this feather afterall. Here are some pics
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Good effort. Though I would redrill the spilt dowel, even if it is 15mm into the edge, as the dust and glue won’t last and will look a bit bodged.
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What do you think guys? Can it be repaired? If so how would you tackle it?
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No. In my view a front to back split is terminal. Some may say to glue and dowel or glue and bind, but I think this will quickly lead to further and more dramatic splitting.
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The bat maker at GN mentioned i could open the crack with a knife and glue it with gorilla wood glue and clamp but could not guarantee how long the repair would last.
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You could but as I said it will create an artificial hard plane through the willow which in my experience will lead it to crack further and more spectacularly. The brand of glue is immaterial. Have a go and see for yourself. You never know it may be fine.
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You could but as I said it will create an artificial hard plane through the willow which in my experience will lead it to crack further and more spectacularly. The brand of glue is immaterial. Have a go and see for yourself. You never know it may be fine.
Noted. You mentioned binding. What would you bind it with?
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Noted. You mentioned binding. What would you bind it with?
Fishing line nylon would be great ....
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Fishing line nylon would be great ....
Is this suitable?
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I fixed this a while ago, but with the condition I couldn't gaurantee it may not last. It hasn't been used yet I don't think, so no idea how it will go. Lots of glue, clamping and a few dowels.
I've never been sure how much strength the line gives a bat, it won't stop it going imo but may just stop it from falling to bits I suppose.
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The bat maker at GN mentioned i could open the crack with a knife and glue it with gorilla wood glue and clamp but could not guarantee how long the repair would last.
That’s exactly what you can do mate. You will be amazed how well they can hold up after repairs. One thing to consider though is how you bat! If you swing from the hip and maybe bat more when it’s smash and go than the chances of it going again are that bit higher. Remove the scuff get lots of Gorilla wood glue in and clamp for 24 hours. Drill probably 3 holes in that through the edge and down and then sand and scuff.
Here is a bat of mine i repairs last summer and used all last season. Not as bad I don’t think as your GN but the spit went a third of the way up the back, all through the toe and about 4inch into the face of the bat. This was just glued and clamped.
It’s still a gun bat now and been netting with it last few weeks.
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Worst case it breaks but all you will have lost is a few hours of your time but it’s lots of fun in my opinion working with bats.
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The OG bat in this post did last a few more uses but split again not in the same spot but a few mm across. Since then it has been seeing some softball use and gifted to a friend who plays tennis ball cricket
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Shame... I mended a similar massive crack on a GN in our college kit bag. Will see whether it survived when I next go in to check...
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That’s exactly what you can do mate. You will be amazed how well they can hold up after repairs. One thing to consider though is how you bat! If you swing from the hip and maybe bat more when it’s smash and go than the chances of it going again are that bit higher. Remove the scuff get lots of Gorilla wood glue in and clamp for 24 hours. Drill probably 3 holes in that through the edge and down and then sand and scuff.
Here is a bat of mine i repairs last summer and used all last season. Not as bad I don’t think as your GN but the spit went a third of the way up the back, all through the toe and about 4inch into the face of the bat. This was just glued and clamped.
It’s still a gun bat now and been netting with it last few weeks.
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Worst case it breaks but all you will have lost is a few hours of your time but it’s lots of fun in my opinion working with bats.
Looks great mate. I am enjoying working on bats and i will probably give it a go. Is any type of wooden dowel acceptable for use?
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Looks great mate. I am enjoying working on bats and i will probably give it a go. Is any type of wooden dowel acceptable for use?
You want a strong wood iv used some oak dowels on a couple of bats if repaired that i made from some left over oak kitchen worktops but just use any hardwood dowel
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It really doesn’t matter as the shear strength of the standard Ramin dowels is more than adequate. Fluted dowels will give the best adhesion but I suspect you will need longer ones so just buy a length of 8mm from somewhere like wickes.
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Is this suitable?
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Yeah just make sure to buy the one thath offers more resistance.
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I would bind it with twine
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I would bind it with twine
I have used twine aswell... but since i began using fishing line nylon i think is MUCH better option... as it expands way more than twine.. i think it gives a better reinforce to the repairs....
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Fishing line breaks down and loses strength if exposed to direct sunlight for prolonged periods. It is also stretchy so won't tighten round the bat when glued like a twine binding. The fishing line will naturally loosen over time as it loses it's integrity due to the sunlight.
Lastly it's abrasion resistant when wet. It's not designed for impact resistance, so could snap if you hit a ball on the binding.
In short I don't think fishing line would be suitable for bat repairs at all.
Yours
A fisherman
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Will standard wood filler work for this guys?