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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: alexhilly1492 on January 29, 2020, 08:34:09 AM
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To not clog up the sa tour I'll start again here
I'm going to start by saying I don't think bairstow should have been picked,
That being said, it is a tour to Sri Lanka, spin will be a big factor,
We have two unproven openers in these conditions in Sibley and Crawley, I think Sibley may struggle personally.
Then to have denly at 3 who has shown he isn't very good against spin would be a huge risk
Having bairstow back is at least someone who has previously done well in these conditions (whilst being crap against the seamers), so it isn't as daft as most people are making out.
I totally agree that he has done nothing to earn it but it still makes some sense to me. I also think Jennings should tour as back up too and won't be overly surprised if he's at 3 for the second game coz Johnny doesn't score anything
Come the summer Crawley will be at 3 behind Sibley and Burns anyway
It's who takes the gloves is a key factor, this should clearly be foakes
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I would have Jennings in the squad for the Tests, probably Buttler too. Both as backup. Foakes to keep, Burns hopefully back to open.
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Burns is out until the summer
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Burns is out until the summer
Is that confirmed? Thought it was still a bit dubious.
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confirmed, by ECB, Surrey and Rory himself (whilst on sky)
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I'd have a bowling attack of Wood, Curran, Stokes, Leach, Bess and Root.
I'd stick with the same top 6, which seems to have gelled nicely, but with Foakes replacing Buttler at 7. The 2 openers have earnt the right to be there and if they're never given the chance, they're never going to learn.
I'd also stick with Denly for now in the absence of Burns. I'd prefer Bairstow at 3 to Jennings, who has zero future at international level. Even if he goes out there and scores a ton each game, so what? We still have to drop him ahead of the summer as he can't play seam bowling for toffee. I still don't think he's actually all that good against spin anyway. Even when he's done well in the book, if you actually watched the innings, you'll see there was a lot of playing and missing, half-chances dropped, close lbw shouts, etc etc etc.
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Curran Out
Buttler Out
Bairstow Out
Jennings IN though. He genuinely looks good in these conditions so having him there in the top 3 will mean the likes of Sibley/Crawley can 'learn' rather than be totally under pressure.
Foakes IN - Obvious and has been for months
Wood/Archer OUT.. I wouldn't waste them or risk injury on SL decks... However!! I woudln't rest them from red ball only to play white ball.. so if they are going to play white ball I'd rather they play tests and miss the limited over slap and tickle legs
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I'd have a bowling attack of Wood, Curran, Stokes, Leach, Bess and Root.
I'd stick with the same top 6, which seems to have gelled nicely, but with Foakes replacing Buttler at 7. The 2 openers have earnt the right to be there and if they're never given the chance, they're never going to learn.
I'd also stick with Denly for now in the absence of Burns. I'd prefer Bairstow at 3 to Jennings, who has zero future at international level. Even if he goes out there and scores a ton each game, so what? We still have to drop him ahead of the summer as he can't play seam bowling for toffee. I still don't think he's actually all that good against spin anyway. Even when he's done well in the book, if you actually watched the innings, you'll see there was a lot of playing and missing, half-chances dropped, close lbw shouts, etc etc etc.
You're dropping Jennings for being poor vs Seam... Yet keeping Bairstow???!!?? You've watched him since 2016 right???
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https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/11916426/england-batsman-rory-burns-hopes-to-be-fit-for-start-of-2020-season (https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/11916426/england-batsman-rory-burns-hopes-to-be-fit-for-start-of-2020-season)
Rory Burns is hoping to be fit for the start of the county season with Surrey as he recovers from an ankle ligament problem.
The England opener flew home from South Africa earlier this month after injuring himself playing football ahead of the second Test in Cape Town.
Burns will also sit out March's two-Test tour in Sri Lanka but expects to line up for his county when the Championship campaign starts in April.
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Denly's performance against spin in test cricket has been strange. In the County game he is a much more positive player against spin but so far for England he has shown no intent at all. I don't know whether this change in his normal approach is due to team instructions as to how he should be playing tuenspinners or a result of the pressure he feels under not to get out attacking the spinners but he must look to be more positive against Sri Lanka
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All the guys with test match contracts will probably tour (because they are paid loads to do that).
My preference is that Anderson, Broad and Bairstow are left at home and to allow Root and Stokes to continue to lead this young side, but I doubt that will happen.
I would like to see Moeen make himself available to tour, but I think it is unlikely.
What we do know is that they will follow the template of the last tour with one quick plus Sam and then two spinners.
Two of those have to be Bess and Leach, Mo is my preference for the other one to tour.
I think we have to keep on with the top three we have at the moment. If YJB gets a go in the warm up matches and scores runs he can be considered, but although Denly hasn't set the world alight, he has been very consistent and protected the middle order. I suspect Sibley will struggle against the SL spinners, but he has earned a run in the team. The rest of the squad picks itself.
Sibley, Crawley, Denly, Bairstow, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler, Foakes, S Curran, Bess, Leach, (Parkinson), Moeen (I hope), Broad, Archer, Wood
Worth noting that the pitches aren't expected to be the bunsens like last time, they are likely to be very flat, so the extra pace if Wood and Archer may mean Sam misses out in the games and Parkinson gets left behind.
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You're dropping Jennings for being poor vs Seam... Yet keeping Bairstow???!!?? You've watched him since 2016 right???
Personally I wouldn't take either. However given the choice, I'd take Bairstow. Bairstow may be having some technical issues, and he's clearly a bit of a headcase, but Jennings is just, totally, utterly, incomprehensibly (No Swearing Please). He has no technique to speak of. He looks like a bad actor doing an impersonation of a cricketer based on watching 3 minutes of youtube footage. He should never get anywhere near an England selection discussion for the rest of his career.
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For all Jennings batting woes against seamers in England, he averages in the mid 40 s in the Indian subcontinent. With Burns out injured, he is the obvious solution for Sri Lanka
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If we're playing the pick by stats and ignore recent form game...
Haseeb Hameed averages 43.8 in Tests on the subcontinent, let's get him on the plane too!
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If we're playing the pick by stats and ignore recent form game...
Haseeb Hameed averages 43.8 in Tests on the subcontinent, let's get him on the plane too!
I'll take him over Bairtsow!! :)
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I can’t believe Jennings is seriously being considered as a viable option. I don’t care if he scored a couple of tons in the sub continent a few years back. He averaged 30 in Div 2 last season, which is not the form that warrants a recall.
Some may argue that his average isn’t too dissimilar to that of Crawley, but Crawley hasn’t tried and failed at test cricket twice already. He’s also shown that he can learn, and alter his technique to play against better bowlers. As far as I can see, Jennings went away and did absolutely nothing to iron out those obvious flaws in his technique. It’s just a lazy selection from Ed Genius Smith, again.
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I can’t believe Jennings is seriously being considered as a viable option. I don’t care if he scored a couple of tons in the sub continent a few years back. He averaged 30 in Div 2 last season, which is not the form that warrants a recall.
Some may argue that his average isn’t too dissimilar to that of Crawley, but Crawley hasn’t tried and failed at test cricket twice already. He’s also shown that he can learn, and alter his technique to play against better bowlers. As far as I can see, Jennings went away and did absolutely nothing to iron out those obvious flaws in his technique. It’s just a lazy selection from Ed Genius Smith, again.
Umm... So why is Bairstow suddenly in line to play again ??? He's being spouted on the back of some purple patch form in 2015-16.. nothing since or before.. AND.. on the back of a dodgy technique that anyone sensible can see isn't upto red ball cricket.. AND... just because he happened to luck out and score a 100 in SL last time... Yet, suddenly it's bizzare to call up Jennings who is reported to actually be good vs spin.
I don't want Jennings BUT I would take him over Bairstow/Buttler any day of the week in Asian conditions!
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Ed "Maverick Genius" Smifff probably looked at Bairstow's IPL stats from last season. (It "worked" picking Buttler for the test side on white ball form, after all...)
"445 runs at 55 in the IPL last year. Two 50s and a 100, best get him in the Test side in Sri Lanka!"
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Umm... So why is Bairstow suddenly in line to play again ??? He's being spouted on the back of some purple patch form in 2015-16.. nothing since or before.. AND.. on the back of a dodgy technique that anyone sensible can see isn't upto red ball cricket.. AND... just because he happened to luck out and score a 100 in SL last time... Yet, suddenly it's bizzare to call up Jennings who is reported to actually be good vs spin.
I don't want Jennings BUT I would take him over Bairstow/Buttler any day of the week in Asian conditions!
I don’t want Bairstow anywhere near the test side either. Bairstow is suddenly in line to play again because Ed Genius Smith says so, and that’s about it.
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Bairstow should have to go away and earn his spot back. His form has been awful and he has consistently failed to live up to his obvious ability. It's not fair on him or the team to parachute him back in and expect anything other than more failures.
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Bairstow should have to go away and earn his spot back. His form has been awful and he has consistently failed to live up to his obvious ability. It's not fair on him or the team to parachute him back in and expect anything other than more failures.
He wont' always fail.. He will have the odd innings where it comes together (as all players do). However, his avg is 35 for a reason.. More failures than you should put up with in a test match batsmen.
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He wont' always fail.. He will have the odd innings where it comes together (as all players do). However, his avg is 35 for a reason.. More failures than you should put up with in a test match batsmen.
Its worth noting that his only productive period as a test batsman was prior to him becoming established in the white ball teams.
It doesn't seem to me to be rocket science to figure out what's happened - he's adjusted his technique to be looser and more free flowing to enable him to score more quickly in white ball cricket, and this has exposed flaws in his red ball defensive game.
He's never going to be a competent test batsman again unless he gives up the white ball stuff.
and, tbh, I'd rather he didn't. He's clearly an incredible white ball player, whereas he's never going to be anything more than an average red ball batsman, so he should just stick to that.
Same applies to Buttler, Roy, Banton, Hales etc. Just stick to what you're good at - trying to do too many things just makes you crap at everything.
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Its worth noting that his only productive period as a test batsman was prior to him becoming established in the white ball teams.
It doesn't seem to me to be rocket science to figure out what's happened - he's adjusted his technique to be looser and more free flowing to enable him to score more quickly in white ball cricket, and this has exposed flaws in his red ball defensive game.
He's never going to be a competent test batsman again unless he gives up the white ball stuff.
and, tbh, I'd rather he didn't. He's clearly an incredible white ball player, whereas he's never going to be anything more than an average red ball batsman, so he should just stick to that.
Same applies to Buttler, Roy, Banton, Hales etc. Just stick to what you're good at - trying to do too many things just makes you crap at everything.
100% Agree.. There really is nothing wrong with being a White ball player.. Just don't pretend to be a Red ball player too.. Stick to the 2020 circuit
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100% Agree.. There really is nothing wrong with being a White ball player.. Just don't pretend to be a Red ball player too.. Stick to the 2020 circuit
I find it strange that the idea of specialisation in cricket isn't more widely accepted. You wouldn't see a top rugby 7s player told that he needed to change his skillset to try and play 15s, for example. If someone is a brilliant T20 player, let them focus on being brilliant at that.
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Its worth noting that his only productive period as a test batsman was prior to him becoming established in the white ball teams.
It doesn't seem to me to be rocket science to figure out what's happened - he's adjusted his technique to be looser and more free flowing to enable him to score more quickly in white ball cricket, and this has exposed flaws in his red ball defensive game.
He's never going to be a competent test batsman again unless he gives up the white ball stuff.
and, tbh, I'd rather he didn't. He's clearly an incredible white ball player, whereas he's never going to be anything more than an average red ball batsman, so he should just stick to that.
Same applies to Buttler, Roy, Banton, Hales etc. Just stick to what you're good at - trying to do too many things just makes you crap at everything.
Out of all those names you mention, I actually think Banton might have the necessary skills to thrive in test cricket if he wants to, and is given a chance. He’s a proper batsman with a really solid technique.
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Out of all those names you mention, I actually think Banton might have the necessary skills to thrive in test cricket if he wants to, and is given a chance. He’s a proper batsman with a really solid technique.
You don't 'give him a chance'.. He needs to play FC cricket and score the runs to warrant selection. He's not managed it so far but it is early. He seems to prefer the White Ball formats sadly
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You don't 'give him a chance'.. He needs to play FC cricket and score the runs to warrant selection. He's not managed it so far but it is early. He seems to prefer the White Ball formats sadly
Obviously I meant “given a chance” to mean being selected, not just thrown in at the deep end with no red ball scores to back it up. I shall try to explain my comments better next time.
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So, there are lots of people saying Sibley is not great against spin - and to be fair, this may be true. But he has shown a lot in six tests thus far and we shouldn't write him off for 40% of overseas tours at this stage. Having initially been less than convinced by Crawley, I am now moving round to the opinion that he might be worth an extended look too.
Which actually make my squad pretty straightforward. It looks like this:
Sibley
Crawley
Denly
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Curran
Bess
Leach
Wood
Bairstow
Virdi/Dawson
Jamie Overton
Woakes
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SL currently getting battered by the mighty Zimbabwe.... The SL vs Eng tour really is going to be one sided and low grade cricket.
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They should give Stokes a rest. Let Curran try to be the all rounder the pundits think he can be.
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They should give Stokes a rest. Let Curran try to be the all rounder the pundits think he can be.
I'd certainly be resting players ( Archer/Wood for sure) for the SL series as it'll be so One Sided (or should be!).. Although!! If they are resting then rest them from teh White ball as well.. Don't rest from red ball only to play white ball... If you must, play Tests and skip the White ball games.
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I will be in Sri Lanka for this tour and available for selection
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I think we need to rest you for the Ashes😂
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Personally, touring against this SL team will not give much of an indication of the ability of much of this ENG squad. Yes they defeated SA in SA recently but look at how they're faring against ZIM. More than recent results it's how they're playing their cricket - it's very negative. I expected Dickwella, BKG Mendis to really push on but they haven't.
Lakmal and Embuldeniya the spearheads of such an average attack. The likes of Sibley / Crawley / Pope will be out of their comfort zone for sure, but to think this would be anything like playing Pak (A) or Ind (A) would be naive.
Saying that, runs for any of them will only cement their places on future tours but at the same time even if they don't have a great series, I can't see them being binned. I think the ECB will think they've shown enough thus far, and looking at what they've done with the announcement about Mahmood, Stone, Overton - they are looking to invest.
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https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1607472 (https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1607472)
Delighted to see Foakes recalled and Bairstow dropped, not sure why Buttler is still there. Hope we see the better side of Jennings. Leaving Anderson out is probably the right thing to do as well.