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Companies => Custom companies => B3 Cricket => Topic started by: Bats_Entertainment on January 30, 2020, 04:43:09 PM
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New B3 ambassador! More bat sponsors in two seasons than in previous twenty? Hope this one brings an improvement in form.
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Swapped Steve Mullaney for Samit Patel.. :)
Interesting swap...
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Interesting to see Tom Kohler-Cadmore not using B3 anymore
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/tom-kohlercadmore-bats-during-an-england-lions-training-session-at-picture-id1202191489?s=2048x2048
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Not much loyalty - money talks. Pros just get their pick and fav shape anyway and don't care much for livery..
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Be interesting to see who else Masuri hsve got, and if there's going to be a big push.
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Be interesting to see who else Masuri hsve got, and if there's going to be a big push.
Laurie Evans is with them now - https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/laurie-evans-bats-during-an-england-lions-training-session-at-allan-picture-id1202191373?s=2048x2048
It'll be interesting if they sign any big England names
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Are you sure those two pictures aren't the same player?
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One has a beard
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One has a beard
Oh yeah!
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Nice to see Laurie backing Stretton over the new ultra protective not seen before Pro foam Masuri thigh pads though
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Nice to see Laurie backing Stretton over the new ultra protective not seen before Pro foam Masuri thigh pads though
I'll admit I've not heard of the product you mention, but notice Tom is also shunning it, in favour of his trusted Remfry.
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They look interesting
https://www.masuri.com/protection/thigh-protection/ (https://www.masuri.com/protection/thigh-protection/)
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They look interesting
https://www.masuri.com/protection/thigh-protection/ (https://www.masuri.com/protection/thigh-protection/)
They look kind of familiar!
(https://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/masuri/uploads/2019/03/28152913/THIGH-PAD-E-LINE1.png)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0247/9187/5637/products/Moonwalkr-Cricket-Thigh-Pad-Set_1200x1200.png?v=1572504192)
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Looks like Shan Masood is no longer affiliated with B3, he used all Keeley kit in the last test - https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/pakistans-shan-masood-celebrates-after-scoring-a-century-during-the-picture-id1199300192?s=2048x2048
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I see samit has already left b3 for HS
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I see samit has already left b3 for HS
Really?? Theyve literally just kitted him out with a load of new gear, good knows why
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They just posted a video last week with a brief mention he was odd to the PSL I think although he came across as the most uninteresting bloke in cricket. Maybe a short deal to promote a local brand in that tournament??
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Samit Patel seems like an odd brand ambassador for a company to spend money supplying him with kit. A guy who threw away the chance of an international career because he was simply too lazy and unprofessional to even achieve a basic level of fitness
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Samit Patel seems like an odd brand ambassador for a company to spend money supplying him with kit. A guy who threw away the chance of an international career because he was simply too lazy and unprofessional to even achieve a basic level of fitness
His athletic physique...hes been that missing hero my whole life... base my game on Inzy and him... #hopeforusall
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I see samit has already left b3 for HS
So strange literally a video on B3’s Instagram with all his kit before he went
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Likely back with them for the U.K. season I would guess. Don’t imagine Pakistan is a huge market for B3.
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Likely back with them for the U.K. season I would guess. Don’t imagine Pakistan is a huge market for B3.
There opener is sponsored by B3 Masood I think his name is so would have thought the brand would get some exposure over there however I guess that amount of local brands may make the market very hard to break into
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There opener is sponsored by B3 Masood I think his name is so would have thought the brand would get some exposure over there however I guess that amount of local brands may make the market very hard to break into
Think he might have moved sponsorship to Keeley, Chris @SOULMAN1012
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There opener is sponsored by B3 Masood I think his name is so would have thought the brand would get some exposure over there however I guess that amount of local brands may make the market very hard to break into
I think Masood changed sponsor recently
(https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/dh/files/styles/article_detail/public/article_images/2020/02/08/Shan%20Masood-1581177231.jpg?itok=tG-teIcK)
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There opener is sponsored by B3 Masood I think his name is so would have thought the brand would get some exposure over there however I guess that amount of local brands may make the market very hard to break into
Edit he used to be sponsored by B3 lol.
Looks like they seem to be losing a few of there Bigger sponsored players recently. As has been said maybe he will use B3 when playing back in the UK and got a foreign sponsor for the T20 comp
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Likely back with them for the U.K. season I would guess. Don’t imagine Pakistan is a huge market for B3.
Funny you say that when George Munsey was with B&S we got way more interest from possible customers when he Traveled on various Tours and ICC Tournaments outside of his Main playing Environment ( Scotland/UK ) than when he was Home
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Funny you say that when George Munsey was with B&S we got way more interest from possible customers when he Traveled on various Tours and ICC Tournaments outside of his Main playing Environment ( Scotland/UK ) than when he was Home
There's not a lot of televised or well publicised cricket in Scotland which probably explains that, to at least some degree.
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TKC now with Masuri/TON
(https://i.ibb.co/KDMTGgV/Screenshot-20200307-091405-2.png) (https://ibb.co/zFyq5gP)
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Pretty much the last kind of known sponsored player has left B3, I’m sure then have a few county pro’s but he was B3 for quite I while wasn’t he?? Can’t imagine Masuri paying large amounts of money for a county player but maybe he just likes the stickers lol
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B3 makes quality stuff and is one of the best bat makers out there - so I wouldn’t read much into who’s leaving. They don’t need to sponsor pros to show the world how good they are - we already know !
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Shades of an already contracted Stan Bowles, who signed a second boot deal on the eve of an England game, and ended up wearing a different brand on each foot?
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Does Masuri being Ton, mean that Ton are allowed to revert back to being SS in the UK?
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Samit was using Mighty Willow last night. Very little B3 presence in county cricket now.
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Samit was using Mighty Willow last night. Very little B3 presence in county cricket now.
Assume the lockdown through the UK cricket season probably put a dent in their sponsorship budget.
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Assume the lockdown through the UK cricket season probably put a dent in their sponsorship budget.
Far from the truth, 3 of our better known ambassadors - Sammit, TKC and Shaan showed very little loyalty. The later 2 decided without any notification to leave us after we had supported them even through troubled times whilst Mr Patel decided whilst in playing in the PSL decided he wanted to go to someone else, although under contract we decided that he could leave. Since this time he has used 2 other brands!
All these departures we badly timed for us - between Christmas and the anticipated start of the season, at this time players had either long term deals elsewhere or had just signed with another brand.
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Far from the truth, 3 of our better known ambassadors - Sammit, TKC and Shaan showed very little loyalty. The later 2 decided without any notification to leave us after we had supported them even through troubled times whilst Mr Patel decided whilst in playing in the PSL decided he wanted to go to someone else, although under contract we decided that he could leave. Since this time he has used 2 other brands!
All these departures we badly timed for us - between Christmas and the anticipated start of the season, at this time players had either long term deals elsewhere or had just signed with another brand.
Thanks for the clarification mate, really disappointing to hear that. Every time I've dealt with B3 you guys have never been anything less than top class so you'd hope that there would be a bit of reciprocation.
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Far from the truth, 3 of our better known ambassadors - Sammit, TKC and Shaan showed very little loyalty. The later 2 decided without any notification to leave us after we had supported them even through troubled times whilst Mr Patel decided whilst in playing in the PSL decided he wanted to go to someone else, although under contract we decided that he could leave. Since this time he has used 2 other brands!
All these departures we badly timed for us - between Christmas and the anticipated start of the season, at this time players had either long term deals elsewhere or had just signed with another brand.
Such a shame @Butterfingerz Richard. You guys will always remain my favourite company.
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Thanks for the clarification mate, really disappointing to hear that. Every time I've dealt with B3 you guys have never been anything less than top class so you'd hope that there would be a bit of reciprocation.
Thanks you, unfortunately the world of sports has things called agents who are constantly looking for their guys the best deal. Obviously however trying to keep up with some brands financially means we would need to increase prices which we don't want to do as a brand.
Rich
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Time for a few more bat deals?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/54973995 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/54973995)
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Far from the truth, 3 of our better known ambassadors - Sammit, TKC and Shaan showed very little loyalty. The later 2 decided without any notification to leave us after we had supported them even through troubled times whilst Mr Patel decided whilst in playing in the PSL decided he wanted to go to someone else, although under contract we decided that he could leave. Since this time he has used 2 other brands!
All these departures we badly timed for us - between Christmas and the anticipated start of the season, at this time players had either long term deals elsewhere or had just signed with another brand.
Out of interest with this mate, what will be the protocol for what happens next with these players effectively breaching your contract? Obviously from the outside it looks completely unacceptable and as you said, a real betrayal of a loyal brand with a great reputation. Disappointing to see
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TKC had form for being disloyal. Mind you, his move to Yorkshire has seemed to have helped his career massively.
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Out of interest with this mate, what will be the protocol for what happens next with these players effectively breaching your contract? Obviously from the outside it looks completely unacceptable and as you said, a real betrayal of a loyal brand with a great reputation. Disappointing to see
Unless you are talking about a high profile player where a brand could sustain an argument that they will suffer a material loss of sales as a result of losing the endorsement, there is little practical sense in trying either seeking specific performance of the contract or damages for beach. The legal costs would outweigh any benefit gained in the majority of cases
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Unless you are talking about a high profile player where a brand could sustain an argument that they will suffer a material loss of sales as a result of losing the endorsement, there is little practical sense in trying either seeking specific performance of the contract or damages for beach. The legal costs would outweigh any benefit gained in the majority of cases
Sad situation that and enough to put any sponsor off no doubt, especially those not at the elite level.
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Sad situation that and enough to put any sponsor off no doubt, especially those not at the elite level.
You are ultimately relying on the character and the integrity of the individual
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TKC had form for being disloyal. Mind you, his move to Yorkshire has seemed to have helped his career massively.
Sack TKC for being unloyal... disloyal...
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TKC had form for being disloyal. Mind you, his move to Yorkshire has seemed to have helped his career massively.
I think you're confusing "to" with "back to" here - and I think it is an important distinction in this case.
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I think you're confusing "to" with "back to" here - and I think it is an important distinction in this case.
You're right. I had forgotten. All I remember is Steve Rhodes - a Yorkshireman himself - not being happy. Rhodes' own sense of loyalty was later found to be ill-judged, if memory serves.
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Out of interest with this mate, what will be the protocol for what happens next with these players effectively breaching your contract? Obviously from the outside it looks completely unacceptable and as you said, a real betrayal of a loyal brand with a great reputation. Disappointing to see
I agree, but it comes down to business and when time and energy exceed the potential worth of a deal you cut your losses.
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Thanks you, unfortunately the world of sports has things called agents who are constantly looking for their guys the best deal. Obviously however trying to keep up with some brands financially means we would need to increase prices which we don't want to do as a brand.
Rich
Couldn't agree more Rich, when you're getting quoted £3,000 a season + the usual kit allowances for players who are at best mid-level players the general public have barely even heard of you really have to question why the main brands bother. I have the same conversations year after year with pros approaching me directly for kit, only to then pass me over to their agent and the demands suddenly change tenfold. Literally killing any sponsorship outside of the international multi-sport brands.
I won't go into any detail but last week I was offered a "great deal" for an up and coming academy player - wanted £2,000 a year plus what worked out to be roughly £4,000 RRP in kit. Has never played above County 2nd XI - delusional.
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Couldn't agree more Rich, when you're getting quoted £3,000 a season + the usual kit allowances for players who are at best mid-level players the general public have barely even heard of you really have to question why the main brands bother. I have the same conversations year after year with pros approaching me directly for kit, only to then pass me over to their agent and the demands suddenly change tenfold. Literally killing any sponsorship outside of the international multi-sport brands.
I won't go into any detail but last week I was offered a "great deal" for an up and coming academy player - wanted £2,000 a year plus what worked out to be roughly £4,000 RRP in kit. Has never played above County 2nd XI - delusional.
£2000 a year so that someone can use Neon kit in a game that will be watched by approximately 7 people, not sure why you didn't jump at this opportunity? 😅
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£2000 a year so that someone can use Neon kit in a game that will be watched by approximately 7 people, not sure why you didn't jump at this opportunity? 😅
😅😅😅
Nailed it lol
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How much do you reckon pretend sponsored players pretend they're getting paid?
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How much do you reckon pretend sponsored players pretend they're getting paid?
Maybe we need to make more use of the term "supported" players. To me, sponsored is payment in cash/kit. Supported is your "30% off RRP if you only use our kit in your games this year".
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Maybe we need to make more use of the term "supported" players. To me, sponsored is payment in cash/kit. Supported is your "30% off RRP if you only use our kit in your games this year".
Who gets these kinds of deals? And what sorts of brands offer them?
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Who gets these kinds of deals? And what sorts of brands offer them?
Supported or sponsored? Imagine the majority of the small brands offering kit to junior representative players/good standard club players/etc are offering % off RRP rather than full kit or cash as payment. Major brands (eg: Gray Nics, GM, Kookaburra) you'd imagine are handing cash and kit to big name players in return for endorsement.
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Supported or sponsored? Imagine the majority of the small brands offering kit to junior representative players/good standard club players/etc are offering % off RRP rather than full kit or cash as payment. Major brands (eg: Gray Nics, GM, Kookaburra) you'd imagine are handing cash and kit to big name players in return for endorsement.
But club players wouldn't get % deals from big brands? Club players being 'sponsored' (in any sense of the word) by Adidas and New Balance seems unlikely to me.
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B3 hasn"t seen as much action on its board for ages!
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the other side to the story, ie the player prespective...
there are occasions when the brands do not either:
1. pay up on time or at all
2. send quality goods in a timely manner
hence players tend to move around more often now days?
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But club players wouldn't get % deals from big brands? Club players being 'sponsored' (in any sense of the word) by Adidas and New Balance seems unlikely to me.
Yeah I would have thought that's unlikely, doesn't make sense as an investment from a major global brand.
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This is a great thread.
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Yeah I would have thought that's unlikely, doesn't make sense as an investment from a major global brand.
But I've heard it spoken of? BS?
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the other side to the story, ie the player prespective...
there are occasions when the brands do not either:
1. pay up on time or at all
2. send quality goods in a timely manner
hence players tend to move around more often now days?
Most brands will also have a "reputational damage" style clause which is fairly wide-ranging when it comes to dropping a player. New Balance binned Ben Stokes after his night club incident despite eventually being acquired (they did of course stick with Steve Smith) although that may be one of the more commercially disastrous decisions they have made in their cricket division
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But I've heard it spoken of? BS?
Why would someone on the scale of Adidas be interested in the sales or reputation that a club player can generate? Contrastingly, if your club's best batsman gets the 2s, 3s and 4s using a small brand then that could be quite a significant revenue boost.
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Why would someone on the scale of Adidas be interested in the sales or reputation that a club player can generate?
I have absolutely no idea why. All part of selling a dream?
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I can 100% confirm the "big brands" still sponsor club players - I've got a multitude of applications from players previously sponsored by Adidas, Gray Nics and Kookaburra (amongst others but those are the main culprits).
These do tend to be players involved with District/Minor County set ups as a minimum, but it varies massively and I've seen average players receiving heavy discounts from the bigger brands. You've got to remember with the big brands they sell the major of their kit at trade price to retailers, not directly to consumers, so the RRPs you see are largely irrelevant as they rarely ever sell kit at this price - if they can sell direct to players as part of a sponsorship arrangement, but at roughly the same price they sell to retailers, then they're no worse off (except having to faff with selling direct and pi**ing retailers off I would've thought!).
It's no secret that some brands' whole business model revolves around these discounted sponsorship deals. I would happily go into more detail but don't want to be at risk of libel lol.
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the other side to the story, ie the player prespective...
there are occasions when the brands do not either:
1. pay up on time or at all
2. send quality goods in a timely manner
hence players tend to move around more often now days?
Interesting one this, as for paying up on time obviously Spartan are well known for this. I don't know of any UK based brand examples but imagine it'll have happened where brands have gone under etc.
As for sending goods, I tend to pick up the majority of my talent due to sh*t service they've received from big brands. Ultimately big brands only care about their marquee players, and so the service for their lesser known/up and coming youngsters tends to be a little poor (from my experience anyway). Most of my NCCA representatives have come as a result of their previous sponsors not providing good service, as opposed to bad deals/kit.
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Thanks fior sharing this info. Although I do find it kind of depressing.
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Thanks fior sharing this info. Although I do find it kind of depressing.
Totally agree, it's depressing the market is going this way.
Unfortunately so long as these brands continue with their super inflated RRPs just so they can offer little Jimmy 40% off to make his rich parents feel like they're getting a good deal it's only going to get worse.
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I can 100% confirm the "big brands" still sponsor club players - I've got a multitude of applications from players previously sponsored by Adidas, Gray Nics and Kookaburra (amongst others but those are the main culprits).
These do tend to be players involved with District/Minor County set ups as a minimum, but it varies massively and I've seen average players receiving heavy discounts from the bigger brands. You've got to remember with the big brands they sell the major of their kit at trade price to retailers, not directly to consumers, so the RRPs you see are largely irrelevant as they rarely ever sell kit at this price - if they can sell direct to players as part of a sponsorship arrangement, but at roughly the same price they sell to retailers, then they're no worse off (except having to faff with selling direct and pi**ing retailers off I would've thought!).
It's no secret that some brands' whole business model revolves around these discounted sponsorship deals. I would happily go into more detail but don't want to be at risk of libel lol.
Thanks mate, that's an interesting one. I suppose I wasn't really considering players involved in minor counties level cricket as that's not a thing up here in Scotland!
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Thanks mate, that's an interesting one. I suppose I wasn't really considering players involved in minor counties level cricket as that's not a thing up here in Scotland!
It isn't? ;)
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Thanks mate, that's an interesting one. I suppose I wasn't really considering players involved in minor counties level cricket as that's not a thing up here in Scotland!
Where do you play, as an excited Scot I haven’t seen too many of us on here.
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It isn't? ;)
There's a regional series (East of Scotland, West of Scotland, North of Scotland) that usually features at least a few Scotland internationals, Scotland development and top club players but nothing quite the scale of minor counties.
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Where do you play, as an excited Scot I haven’t seen too many of us on here.
Play for a couple of parks clubs in Edinburgh mate, couldn't afford the subs at the big clubs when I was a student and it's stuck 😅
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There's a regional series (East of Scotland, West of Scotland, North of Scotland) that usually features at least a few Scotland internationals, Scotland development and top club players but nothing quite the scale of minor counties.
Seems you missed the joke. Maybe a good thing!
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Seems you missed the joke. Maybe a good thing!
Bloody emoji didn't load! Although national pride now compels me to paint my face blue and come after you with a claymore while screaming freedom 😂
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Hawk.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c2501j798xyo (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c2501j798xyo)
Another one. Not known to me.
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SWAR Cricket I think. Someone to do with Cricstudio in Chesterfield maybe? Don't know much about them tho
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A little research tells me it's a brand called Sword & Armour. Coincidentally, a little while back, I spoke to a guy who works in my local post office (in London) that told me he was starting this brand.
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People do come up with some bloody awful names for their cricket brands...
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Agreed.