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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Talisman on March 01, 2010, 10:43:44 AM
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A few new faces come in and a lost a few old ones in the 30 man squad. Thoughts?
Full Squad
Paul Collingwood (capt), James Anderson, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Steven Davies, Joe Denly, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Michael Lumb, Sajid Mahmood, Dimitri Mascarenhas, Eoin Morgan, Graham Onions, Kevin Pietersen, Liam Plunkett, Matt Prior, Adil Rashid, Owais Shah, Ajmal Shahzad, Ryan Sidebottom, Graeme Swann, James Tredwell, Peter Trego, Jonathan Trott, David Wainwright, Chris Woakes, Luke Wright, Michael Yardy.
What will be the final 15?
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I think the final 15 will look something like this, although it is pretty clear the selectors have no idea who the best 2020 team is (actually nor do I for that matter)...
Collingwood
Kieswetter
Bell
Bopara
Broard
Denley
Anderson
Morgan
Mascarenhas
Pietersen
Swann
Prior
Shahzad
Tredwell
Wright
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I think the way that pitches are going over in the Windies, the more spinners the merrier. Swann is obvopusly number 1, but should England decide to play 2, the door is open for any of Tredwell, Wainwright or Rashid. Tredwell is the man in posession at the moment, and will hopefully get a go in Bangladesh, but at least one of those 3 must go. Seamers, you can pretty much take your pick. Anderson, Broad and Bresnan are certainties. I would suggest 2 more from Onions, Plunkett, Shahzad and Sidebottom.
Prior and Kieswetter look certain to go as keeping options, as things stand, which is a little harsh on Steve Davies, who seems to have lost his place in the queue.
This would leave 6 spots. Colly, KP, Morgan, Wright are certainties, leaving 2 spots. I would go with Lumb and Bell, Lumb as a naturally aggressive opening batsman alongside Kieswetter, and Bell I would have floating in the order in case we lose early wickets and need a steadying hand.
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Collingwood
Kieswetter
Lumb
Piestersen
Morgan
Bell
Wright
Broad
Swann
Bresnan
Anderson
Rashid
Tredwell
Bopara
Shazhad
Only picked one keeper last year and i reckon the same will happen again, with morgan or colly to step in, in case of an emergancy :D
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Bopara,
Kieswetter,
Pietersen,
Morgan,
Collingwood,
Trego,
Rashid,
Swann,
Broad,
Onions,
Anderson,
Bell,
Lumb,
Wright,
Bresnan.
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i think its worth having two keepers especially as prior and kieswetter are god batsman as well. No point in taking any chance.
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Yes but have the England selectors got any t20 brains, by the looks of the first squad, no! They probably wont think of putting in two keepers!
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Im thinking of these players and when i see them i see Test Match players and i can't see the majority doing well in the T20 format, where as the current Australian side will win it no doubt, they are phenomenal. And there is no point taking to keepers, Kieswetter is a better batsmen therefore he should be in the side, no point taking Prior he is not a T20 player in my eyes (I don't even think he is good enough for england, considering we have Davies, Foster & Kieswetter)
Anyways
Collingwood (Back up keeper)
Pietersen? (If he picks his form up)
Morgan (Back up keeper)
Lumb
Bell
Kieswetter (Keeper)
Mascarenhas
Wright
Trego
Anderson
Swann
Broad
Bresnan
Finn
Tredwell
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Flintoff?
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Not in the squad, not recovered yet.
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Oh :(. Bad times.
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Owais Shah might get a shout,
but I would have gone with Quick-Keeps squad without bell and put Denly in for him
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my starting lineup as it stands
1:lumb
2:kieswetter w/k
3:pietersen
4:morgan
5:collingwood capt
6:wright
7:trego
8:swann
9:rashid
10:broard
11:anderson
others in squad
bresnan
denly
yardy
onions
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at200, i think thats the starting line up i would go for as well
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Would love to see Yardy have a go, hes such a economical bowler, and a handy batsman. In the champion league he bowled four overs for 11 on a flat pitch!
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I don't see the hype about Trego. Slogging on a flat road at Taunton is totally different to facing high quality fast bowlers in International cricket. I don't think he'll be capable of slogging guys like Tait, Nannes, Johnson, Steyn, Bond etc.
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Is taunton the same standard as any test pitch though? For county cricket amazing for test normal?
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Is taunton the same standard as any test pitch though? For county cricket amazing for test normal?
interesting point but i dont think so, you see some test match pitches with bit in it for bowlers or that majorly crumble after a few days. Very few act as the somerset pitch does i think.
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Trego is a very average player there is nothing special about him as his record suggest's
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who else would you have as a allrounder mascarenhas just doesnt cut it
and not many smash tait nannes johnson steyn and bond out the park
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Trego must be doing something right, he has gone from county to club to minor county back to county to England Lions to the T20 squad. Not going to say he is a Test Match cricketer but he has got enough about him to hit a rapid 30/40 and bowl a few overs, not bad in the field either. Surely this is what the 6/7/8 in the side needs to be able to do.
Those outside of Somerset seem to forget that they do travel to foreign counties for away games. Wright has not performed the role well enough to be sure of his spot so up for grabs I feel.
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who else would you have as a allrounder mascarenhas just doesnt cut it
and not many smash tait nannes johnson steyn and bond out the park
luke wright, paul collingwood, tim bresnan on his day?
100 :D
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Bresnan for bowling all rounder btw not batting.
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well clarified there quick keep, i thought for a bit u were saying bresnan would "smash tait nannes johnson steyn and bond out the park" lol
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Lol, didn't mean that at all :D So i put the reassuring post there to prevent myself from being shot at :D
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have we even got anyone in the country who can bowl 95 mph
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Tbh, fast bowlers are probably easy to tonk in t20, the quicker it comes at you, the quicker it leaves. It doesn't even need a massive wack, just a little edge or flick and it can fly to the boundary. Medium pacers were there is less pace of the ball are probably more effective. I would have the quicks for the first overs and the first overs only.
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well i think if tait bowl 100mph i think any batsmen would struggle to hit them for six, without going to the toilet in there box.
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All they will have to do is nudge it tbh.
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My team would be:
1.Craig Kieswetter
2.Joe Denly
3.Kevin Pietersen
4.Paul Collingwood (capt)
5.Eoin Morgan
6.Matt Prior
7.Graeme Swann
8.Stuart Broad
9.Tim Bresnan
10.James Anderson
11.Graham Onions
12. Jonathan Trott
13. Dimitri Mascarenhas
14. Adil Rashid
15. Luke Wright
I think bench covers all posibilities... perhaps Trott in for prior and move up to 3? And Rashid in for Bresnan if it's a spinners track. Then Wibblie Wobblie or Luke Wright in for one of the bowlers if their not bowling well so colly could have some overs and they would bring more depth in to the batting?
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Get Morgan higher.
Best 20-20 player we hav IMO
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Get Morgan higher.
Best 20-20 player we hav IMO
LOL i know, but when ever I do that on the other forum I get told off for being Irish Bias so i left him at 5! LOL I would have him higher though, yes.
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I'm a middlesex boy so . . .
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I'm a middlesex boy so . . .
I am that aswell... lol
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nobody can doubt morgan but i like him at 5 being the finisher is in my opinion his best position.
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why? lets get it him, lets get him that 100!
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Owais Shah and Ravi Bopara?
Playing well in IPL playing themselves into the side
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This IPL could get Shah in.
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So wheres Graham Napier in all this?
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I think if you look at his batting since that innings, what has he done?
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i personally thing sajid mahmood shut get a go opening the bowlin at the top hes got genuine pace and can move the ball but his accuracy lets him down but id certainly have him in the squad
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Mahmood has had a couple of chances and never had much success, I'd much rather see someone like Plunkett or Shahzad playing.
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ugh, i've seen blind men with shotguns more accurate than him!
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is napier in the ipl , if so , which side?
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Mumbai Indians I think...
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anyone think he will get a game? im not following who's in what team im just watching the games! so i have no idea who he is competing with!
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yes his accuracy isnt there but he has the pace option which not many other bowlers in england have
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Here is the final 15
nd squad: Paul Collingwood (Durham, Captain),James Anderson (Lancashire), Ravi Bopara (Essex), Tim Bresnan (Yorkshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Craig Kieswetter (Somerset), Michael Lumb (Hampshire), Eoin Morgan (Middlesex), Kevin Pietersen (Hampshire), Ajmal Shahzad (Yorkshire), Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire), Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire), James Tredwell (Kent), Luke Wright (Sussex), Michael Yardy (Sussex).
Some surprising names included
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Quite a good mix there, 3 spinners looks good . . .who is a surprise for you Ken?
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why is sidebottom there??? he's gonna be useless on these flat tracks down here
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we seriosly lack a top quality wicket taking seamer
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why is sidebottom there??? he's gonna be useless on these flat tracks down here
I totally agree, he is finished as an international cricketer in my eyes, although aparently Flower loves him
We definitely lack a quality seamer...
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Yeah I agree with that we need a Shaun Tait/Dirk Nannes
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to be honest I am surprised that Bopara made it back in, only going with one keeper and taking Sidebottom.
What would your XI be?
1)Lumb
2)Kieswetter
3)Pietersen
4)Collingwood
5)Yardy
6)Wright
7)Bresnan
8)Tredwell
9)Swann
10)Shahzad
11) Anderson
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interesting to see if the long-handle potential after no.6 is really there...
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bollinger, steyn, zaheer, set the top test nations apart from the rest because they take top order wickets all around the world... england have anderson but hes not in the same class as those ive mentioned, the bad thing is that i cant see any coming up through the county system that are going to do that for england any time soon, x-factor needed from somewhere
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1) Keiswetter 2) Bopara 3) Pieteresen 4) Collingwood 5) Morgan 6) Wright 7) Yardy 8) Swann 9) Broad 10) Tredwell 11) Anderson.
Pack the team with spinners for the WI puddings ...
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batting looks ok but we dont have the bowling, except swanny
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Agree - one of worst seam bowling attacks in some time.....really dissapointing. You really miss Flintoff as the all rounder in my opinion.
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Yeah have to agree with you there Alvaro, pack it with spinners and hope the likes of CK, KP, Wright and Collingwood come off . .
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id rather see them risk finn or someone similar to give a chance than stick with the current crop of failures :(
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sidebottom, shahzad and co = gash
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to be honest I am surprised that Bopara made it back in, only going with one keeper and taking Sidebottom.
What would your XI be?
1)Lumb
2)Kieswetter
3)Pietersen
4)Collingwood
5)Yardy
6)Wright
7)Bresnan
8)Tredwell
9)Swann
10)Shahzad
11) Anderson
Have you completely, i mean completely lost the plot? NO MORGAN!? You should be ashamed, only decent player.....
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Kieswetter keeps then............
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Kieswetter
Lumb
KP
Morgan
Collingwood
Wright
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Tredwell
Anderson
is the best XI i can make out of that 15 man squad, shahzad, yardy, sidebottom to carry the drinks (might aswell go home) and bopara ready to step in for wright if hes not doing well
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Kieswetter
Lumb
KP
Morgan
Collingwood
Wright
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Tredwell
Anderson
is the best XI i can make out of that 15 man squad, shahzad, yardy, sidebottom to carry the drinks (might aswell go home) and bopara ready to step in for wright if hes not doing well
Not far off what I would have - though I would have Yardy in for Tredwell, just for the variation of being a left armer. KP and Colly can always bowl the odd over of off spin if necessary.
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....Yardy doesn't bowl left arm?
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I'd go with the same as above, except Bopara in for Lumb.
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Have you completely, i mean completely lost the plot? NO MORGAN!? You should be ashamed, only decent player.....
oh balls I did the team a few times with him in, clearly half a sleep after my lunch break!! Stick him in instead of yardy, my humble apologies :(
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....Yardy doesn't bowl left arm?
He really does - http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/23523.html
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oh balls I did the team a few times with him in, clearly half a sleep after my lunch break!! Stick him in instead of yardy, my humble apologies :(
Hmm I might consider your apology... again and you get hanged though! lol
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Thank you Niall, although with that form of picking an England team I am currently awaiting a call to come and be a selector!!
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Thank you Niall, although with that form of picking an England team I am currently awaiting a call to come and be a selector!!
I'm avalible! ;) lol
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1) Kieswetter
2) Lumb
3) Pietersen
4) Bopara
5) Morgan
6) Collingwood
7) Wright (Tredwell)
8) Bresnan
9) Swann
10) Broard
11) Anderson
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Have you completely, i mean completely lost the plot? NO MORGAN!? You should be ashamed, only decent player.....
whats morgan done that makes him the decent player? hasn't done anything in the ipl, one really good knock, irish bias? pietersen bopara prior etc are all alot better batsmen!
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I'm avalible! ;) lol
four years' residency a la Joyce and Morgan first? ... ;)
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four years' residency a la Joyce and Morgan first? ... ;)
Haven't played first team Ireland yet so I'm ok ;)
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1)Lumb
2)Kieswetter
3)Pietersen
4)Bopara
5)Collingwood
6)Morgan
7)Prior
8)Wright(Tredwell)
9)Swann
10)Broad
11)anderson
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prior's been dropped.
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just saw the squad, would switch with yardy then
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to be honest bopara is woefully out of form and i think lumb will be a better bet up top
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bopara is in the top 5 run scorers in this years ipl, so i have to disagree with you
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1. Lumb
2. Kieswetter
3. Pietersen
4. Morgan
5. Collingwood
6. Yardy
7. Swann
8. Bresnan
9. Shahzad
10. Broad
11. Anderson
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Bopara,
Kieswetter,
Pietersen,
Morgan,
Collingwood,
Trego,
Rashid,
Swann,
Broad,
Onions,
Anderson,
Bell,
Lumb,
Wright,
Bresnan.
Not too bad a guess I think......
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to be honest bopara is woefully out of form and i think lumb will be a better bet up top
he's scored 2 I think in his last 2 knocks so I agree with this and the fact that we really should have taken another fast seemer
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2 knocks and your saying he's out of form jeez! lumb got a duck today, bet he's out of form too?
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No I'm just stating the facts, and in my oppinion I'm not convinced he should be ahead of others. I hoe to be proved wrong
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1. Kieswetter
2. Bopara
3. KP
4. Collingwood
5. Morgan
6. Trego
7. Wright
8. Swann
9. Broad
10. Anderson
11. Onions
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No I'm just stating the facts, and in my oppinion I'm not convinced he should be ahead of others. I hoe to be proved wrong
fair enough, your opinion but to call it fact is bull! This is fact:
Rank Player Name Team Runs
1 Sachin Tendulkar Mumbai Indians 314
2 Jaques Kallis Royal Challengers Bangalore 310
3 Yousuf Pathan Rajasthan Royals 250
4 Mathew Hayden Chennai Super Kings 215
5 Virendra Sehwag Delhi Dare Devils 206
6 Sourabh Tiwary Mumbai Indians 206
7 David Warner Delhi Dare Devils 203
8 Ravi Bopara Kings XI Punjab 198
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Can I ask what his scores have been in his last two innings? I believe that my opinion was that there are better choices for the England squad than him.
If you would like a lesson in the difference between fact and opinion feel free to PM and we can discuss it there rather than clog up the boards
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1. Kieswetter
2. Bopara
3. KP
4. Napier
5. Morgan
6. Foster
7. Wright
8. Swann
9. Broad
10. Anderson
11. Finn
12.ME
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Napier's not in the squad........... Or Finn and Foster
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thats whats my squad would be ooops
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the forum is for debate so i shall stay on here,
No I'm just stating the facts,
i believe this means that you arn't stating opinion that he is out of form. Lets look at his previous match then yes he scored 1. but he took three wickets, completed his overs and bowled at 7.75, hardly bad form.
Admittedly the match before he got a duck and no wickets- so yes a bad game for him.
if you can call one match a run of bad form, in a match when punjab were chasing 183 on a tough wicket then fair play. but you CANNOT call it fact, so i do believe it is you sir that needs a lesson, and also no need to act like a narcissistic know it all. i disagree with your opinion but i accept it is your opinion, but lets not make lies and call them fact yes?
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Bopara? Yardy? SIDEBOTTOM?! What a joke. Bloody might as well have picked you Carn! Can't polish a turd, but I'll give it a bath and spray it with deodorant...
Kieswetter
Lumb
KP
Collywobble
Morgan
Bopara
Wright
Swann
Bresnan
Broad
Anderson
Tredwell in if we need a second spinner. God knows who for, maybe even bopara! Toyed with idea of Swanny opening, but then Bopara genuinely is wasted at 7...
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he's scored 2 I think in his last 2 knocks so I agree with this and the fact that we really should have taken another fast seemer
Sorry my fact was wrong, he has scored 1 in his last two games
No I'm just stating the facts, and in my oppinion I'm not convinced he should be ahead of others. I hoe to be proved wrong
and my opinion was that perhaps there are better options than Bopara for the 15.
My fact is the runs he has scored in his last to innings...
My opinion is about his selection in the squad
That cleared it up for you?
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your fact was he was in bad form. in of the matched your stating he took the most wickets in the punjab team, at an economical rate. and yes he did have one bad game. But to say he is out of form after 2 matches is ridiculous especially in t20. fair enough your opinion that he shouldn't be selected, (which i believe is completely wrong). He has bowled very well in t20. and in the past two months, is rated at the moment as number 8 in the whole of the ipl, outscoring Gibbs, De Villiers, Dhoni, Raina, Jayawardene, Sangakarra, and any Englishman, surely this can't be ignored in his selection? Which according to you he is "out of form". Thank god the selectors arn't as swift to make judgements as you
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Can you let me know where in my posts I say he is "out if form"?
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Quote from: Chaim on Today at 03:19:30 PM
to be honest bopara is woefully out of form and i think lumb will be a better bet up top
he's scored 2 I think in his last 2 knocks so I agree.
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Who's gonna be the megastar out of this lot then?
My guess is KP is ready to explode, but my real deal for this tournament is Morgan - I really rate him, and I think he's going to be awesome at this world cup.
Outside bet for fame is Tamim Iqbal - rumour on the street is that Middlesex are bringing him in for the domestic T20 and half a dozen one day games too.
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your fact was he was in bad form.
no my fact was that he has scored 1 run in two knocks. Can I just check whether thst is fact or opinion?
Anyways I'm not going to carry on this debate on here as to what is fact or opinion
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well when you agree with somone stating "he is woefully out of form". you sort of bring it on yourself pal. ok as you said feel free to PM if you wish to discuss this further. And Bruce i reckon if Suresh Raina gets a go he will do well!
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well when you agree with somone stating "he is woefully out of form". you sort of bring it on yourself pal. ok as you said feel free to PM if you wish to discuss this further. And Bruce i reckon if Suresh Raina gets a go he will do well!
Dan, soon as anyone quick bouncers at Raina, he'll crap himself - this is coming from an India fan!
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I'll throw in some curve-balls :
Suleiman Benn + Mike Yardy - will have 2 of the more economical bowling run-rates
AB deViliers will take the best catch ever
Dhoni, Haddin, Clarke, Sehwag, Asif, Watson and Harbajan will be great dissapointments
Bangladesh will go further than Pakistan
England will go further than you think
South Africa, New Zealand and Australia will do far worse than you think
Sri Lanka will win
Malinga will be leading wicket-taker
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Top run scorer?
Jayawardene
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fattus, sounds like youve been splashing the cash on various back handers!
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I'm in touch with many players - they spill the beans to me.
Harbajan likes KFC Hot rods
Shan Watson does crochet to relax
Chris Gayle secretly listens to Aswad beofre batting
Hashim Amla uses Pantene on his beard
Sangakarra lines his gloves with Hubba Bubba
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I'll throw in some curve-balls :
Suleiman Benn + Mike Yardy - will have 2 of the more economical bowling run-rates
AB deViliers will take the best catch ever
Dhoni, Haddin, Clarke, Sehwag, Asif, Watson and Harbajan will be great dissapointments
Bangladesh will go further than Pakistan
England will go further than you think
South Africa, New Zealand and Australia will do far worse than you think
Sri Lanka will win
Malinga will be leading wicket-taker
England aren't making it out of the group stage my friend!!....... Unless they beat WI that is... Ireland will make the super 8s trust me! john boy Mooney, WP and Nobby to make serious runs, England's bowlers (or WI's for that matter) aren't good enough because batting is our only weakness. Then obviously well win in the field and with the ball simply because were better. :D Full time contracts for the boys over the last few months will pay off, trust me!
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Who's gonna be the megastar out of this lot then?
My guess is KP is ready to explode, but my real deal for this tournament is Morgan - I really rate him, and I think he's going to be awesome at this world cup.
Outside bet for fame is Tamim Iqbal - rumour on the street is that Middlesex are bringing him in for the domestic T20 and half a dozen one day games too.
Morgan won't score runs against Ireland, I'm sure his Dad has made that quite clear to him!! lol. Big Runs against WI, oh yes!
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Both of you are attempting to pull my plonker - and I'm not rising to it!!!!
Morgan to be a supastar and England to surprise a few folk (mainly one-eyed leprechauns!)
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Both of you are attempting to pull my plonker - and I'm not rising to it!!!!
Morgan to be a supastar and England to surprise a few folk (mainly one-eyed leprechauns!)
Both of me? My split personality isn't out tonight, sorry.
I'm serious here though, Ireland WILL beat England.... Moggy will not do well against Ireland, fact. The bowlers know him better then everyone else and there will be heaps of pressure on him!
I may not have two personalities but I do have two eyes!
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niall care to place a bet :P
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niall care to place a bet :P
Working tomorrow so I'll be 50 quid the richer, I'm sure a bookies will give me better odds ;)
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sure you sont want to put some gloves on it :P?
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Ok go for it, you have to put a better pair on the line then me though!
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aha what ones you got :P
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What we be your starting line up if everyone was fit, in batting order? here is mine.
1. Lumb
2. Kieswetter
3. Morgan
4. Pietersen
5. Collingwood
6. Bopara
7. Yardy
8. Swann
9. Bresnan
10. Anderson
11. Sidebottom
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sidebottom ahead of broad? i'm sorry, that's just silly. i'm a huge notts fan, and i can tell you with great certainty that ryan sidebottom is a donkey. broad, however, has bundles of talent, pace, bounce, and he's a good batsman as well. and a fine fielder!
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tbh if i'd have picked the squad, i wouldn't have taken either
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Kieswetter
Lumb
KP
Morgan
Collingwood
Wright
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Tredwell
Anderson
is the best XI i can make out of that 15 man squad, shahzad, yardy, sidebottom to carry the drinks (might aswell go home) and bopara ready to step in for wright if hes not doing well
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Ireland lost to Afganistan FFS, how can they beat England?!
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England did lose to Holland... But Niall, this optimism is a bit OTT. If you were talking egg-chasing it may be well-founded. I'm sure that bookie can't wait to take your money! ;)
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Working tomorrow so I'll be 50 quid the richer, I'm sure a bookies will give me better odds ;)
gambling age in ireland down at 15 now? lol
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http://www.cricketeurope2.net/LIVE/CHANNELS/12/commentary.shtml
Not too shabby, only lost with six balls left in forty-five overs with no Boyd Rankin, so Paul Sterling had to bowl a few overs, and he's really not a bowler!! And WI were playing at home and Sarwan made a match winning ton, if I were English I'd be worried, very Worried..... :L
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[url]http://www.cricketeurope2.net/LIVE/CHANNELS/12/commentary.shtml[/url]
Not too shabby, only lost with six balls left in forty-five overs with no Boyd Rankin, so Paul Sterling had to bowl a few overs, and he's really not a bowler!! And WI were playing at home and Sarwan made a match winning ton, if I were English I'd be worried, very Worried..... :L
A Windies side without Gayle(c), Dwayne Bravo, Pollard, Taylor, Edwards, Roach etc. Nothing to get overly excited by.
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1.) Bravo played.
2.) Not every one can play, who would you drop?
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Dwayne Bravo didn't play, Darren the poorer of the 2 did.
Basically Ireland played a half-strength Windies side and lost. I can see the rest of the world shaking in their boots.
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Dwayne Bravo didn't play, Darren the poorer of the 2 did.
Basically Ireland played a half-strength Windies side and lost. I can see the rest of the world shaking in their boots.
That's unfair on Darren Bravo, Tom.
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i guess you just cant get the guiness over in the west indies... tough ask for the irish to play sober :)