Custom Bats Cricket Forum
Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: blindowl on February 29, 2020, 03:47:11 PM
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After picking up a new (used) bat from Churchy (thank you) and contemplating trying to sell a couple I use less often I decided to give all of my bats a whack with the mallet in an attempt to judge if any has a better ping than another.
My conclusion is that whilst the size of the middle definitely varies from bat to bat, the actual mallet response feels more or less identical when striking the sweet spot.
I fully admit I am inexperienced when judging 'ping' but i'm surprised by the results - especially as I have a gut feel some bats seem to hit the ball further than others.
The 6 bats in question are really quite different from one another in terms of profile and design. If I get a minute I will try to post a pic of the 6.
I would be interested to hear if others have different experiences when assessing the ping of their collection.
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I most often test ping based on the response of the blade to an old ball.
The mallet for some reason does not give me the confidence in checking the strength of the bat.
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I would back the old ball as a better test of responsiveness. If the bat isn't pinging then you'll know it with a ball.
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The old ball for me too.
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I go by the sound more than anything with the mallet. If it’s a ball, it has to be a decent quality ball, and it needs to have seen a fair bit of use. I’ve got a Kookaburra pink ball that I’ve used to bowl my SLA filth with at nets, and it seems to have turned in to the perfect ball to judge the quality of bats with. That’s it’s sole job from now on.
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I go by the sound more than anything with the mallet. If it’s a ball, it has to be a decent quality ball, and it needs to have seen a fair bit of use. I’ve got a Kookaburra pink ball that I’ve used to bowl my SLA filth with at nets, and it seems to have turned in to the perfect ball to judge the quality of bats with. That’s it’s sole job from now on.
New levels of bat badgering if you end up with a ball exclusively reserved for judging the ping on bats....
Hats off to you sir.
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Doesn't everyone have one? Only way you can tell is by using the same ball...
In fact the ball I leave in the cupboard for bat tapping is probably the best one I have :D
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I use a white Kookaburra, everything feels more pingy then!
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In my experience, mallet response (rebound off the bat face) is a decent indicator of ping but not enough.
Sound of a ball on a bat is not the best indicator of ping. Bats that are pressed hard usually have a hard sound which could be off putting to some. My best bats have delaminated surface and they have a bass-y sound even though balls bounce quite high. I like to use ear-plugs when bouncing a ball on bat surface. Without sound, you can just see the ball's rebound.
Another thing I look for is how fast ball is rebounding off the bat face. It is not enough that ball bounces high off the face but how quickly it shoots up from the bat surface. When I compare my heavily used match bats to newer bats, the speed of rebound off the face is considerably faster in older/used bats than newer bats.
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I really do enjoy bullshit that comes from certain forum members at times :D
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I really do enjoy bullshit that comes from certain forum members at times :D
But I've ALWAYS enjoyed yours. Where've you been? :D
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Another thing I look for is how fast ball is rebounding off the bat face. It is not enough that ball bounces high off the face but how quickly it shoots up from the bat surface. When I compare my heavily used match bats to newer bats, the speed of rebound off the face is considerably faster in older/used bats than newer bats.
Er... you do realise that how high the ball bounces is a function of how fast it rebounds?
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Er... you do realise that how high the ball bounces is a function of how fast it rebounds?
Personally I grade bats based on their ability to break the laws of physics.
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Er... you do realise that how high the ball bounces is a function of how fast it rebounds?
Er...not necessarily.
Do an experiment since you are a bat maker. Take a lighter, a heavier bat, and a bat with a terrific ping. Bounce the same ball on all three bats. Records using an iPhone on a tripod. Irrespective of the same height, the best pinging bat will rebound the ball faster. Do it.
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Personally I grade bats based on their ability to break the laws of physics.
Makes sense. I have read your views on coaching.
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To the OP’s original point the sweet spot on most bats to the average player will be pretty much the same on all bats, pressing these days is generally pretty good across all bats and brands in my opinion. Tapping up an old ball will give you a gauge as to if it’s a plank but nothing more.
Until you play it in and use it for a period of time you won’t know how good the ping really is and even then there will be little difference in my opinion.
Reckon Iv had 2 actual planks in 15 or so years.
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But I've ALWAYS enjoyed yours. Where've you been? :D
I didn’t name any names did I? But if the cap fits, wear it I guess...
And glad you missed me
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So, I think a mallet is good for finding out how wide and long the sweet spot is. You do the trick of holding close to the bat face, hitting gently with the mallet and seeing if you get a fast vibration of the mallet over a wide area.
Second though, the speed of a ball off the bat definitely determines how high the ball bounces, unless you have imparted some strange spin that changes the aerodynamics. Can give the equation if you like, but it's not very helpful.
Finally, yes I agree that an old ball is best for judging the pinginess off the sweet spot. But, interesting question is whether some bats work better with new balls that worn balls. Could be, say, that hard pressed bats are better for openers and soft bats for middle orders. Anyone got any opinions or evidence about that?
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I didn’t name any names did I? But if the cap fits, wear it I guess...
And glad you missed me
Nah, spotted your punter mentality miles away. Can't say you stand out.
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So, I think a mallet is good for finding out how wide and long the sweet spot is. You do the trick of holding close to the bat face, hitting gently with the mallet and seeing if you get a fast vibration of the mallet over a wide area.
Second though, the speed of a ball off the bat definitely determines how high the ball bounces, unless you have imparted some strange spin that changes the aerodynamics. Can give the equation if you like, but it's not very helpful.
Finally, yes I agree that an old ball is best for judging the pinginess off the sweet spot. But, interesting question is whether some bats work better with new balls that worn balls. Could be, say, that hard pressed bats are better for openers and soft bats for middle orders. Anyone got any opinions or evidence about that?
None of us ever have evidence for the nonsense we spout 😅
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Usually true ;)
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It’s quite simple really. v 2−v 1=−e(u 2−u 1)
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Second though, the speed of a ball off the bat definitely determines how high the ball bounces, unless you have imparted some strange spin that changes the aerodynamics. Can give the equation if you like, but it's not very helpful.
I would go one further and say that in this case speed off the bat is the ONLY factor that determines how high the ball bounces. Gravity is constant. The properties of the ball are constant. Drag is relative to speed. The equations are helpful as they prove it beyond any doubt.
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Yes, totally agree. The only reason I mentioned spin is because this could change the air drag coefficient because of turbulence etc. But I'm sure that is not making a difference here.
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It’s quite simple really. v 2−v 1=−e(u 2−u 1)
True, and you also need conservation of momentum to solve the equations. But given any particular speed of the ball after hitting the bat, the height it reaches will be the same whichever bat you use
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Surely the only true measure is a bats ability to hit a ball repeatedly into a ceiling?