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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: six and out on August 20, 2020, 11:47:55 AM
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Hi all,
I would just like to ask a question around what you are doing about going inside your pavilion at the moment in the current environment. By this I mean, are you letting everyone inside and social distancing (a la pubs and restaurants) or are you just allowing access to the bar or is it no one at all??
The reason I ask is we are currently only allowing people access to the bar (1 at a time) then take your drink outside or access to the toilet. This is having a massive effect on the organising of social events and therefore income to the club. There are a few members who are questioning what we are doing due to the current situation/measures in pubs/restaurants.
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We've not been allowing access to changing rooms or toilets. Access one at a time to kit and equipment storage if needed. Rules in Scotland are, I suspect, tighter than down south though.
If the bar area can be kept separate from the rest of your facilities then perhaps that might allow for it to be used as a pub/restaurant would be?
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So other than myself as the skipper, who can go in and get kit etc out, no-one is allowed in the pavilion other than to use the toilet. Its one in one out with hand sanitiser before and after.
We don't have a bar, I can think of only one club in the whole county that do. We have around 120 clubs, I've played at around half of them. Maybe some of the others do? It seems unlikely.
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60 clubs and only one with a bar?!
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60 clubs and only one with a bar?!
Actually I've thought of one where the pavilion is attached to a social club with a bar, so I suppose that counts. 2 in the county.
TBH I've played in a few different counties, and cricket grounds with bars are few and far between everywhere I've been.
Pavilions seem to come in 2 types: the old fashioned ones that are basically glorified sheds, with 2 changing rooms a kitchen and a shed at the back for the roller, and more modern ones that are slightly bleak and depressing and seem to be designed for football.
No-one drinks in the pavilion after games, you go to the local pub beer garden, right? If you're lucky you have an arrangement where they do you some food.
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What county are you in ?
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What county are you in ?
Cambs
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We have a max of 20 people allowed in the club house, bar is in the club house marked out with 2M area around the bar, not allowed to sit, wait or stand at the bar.
Tables laid out and only for same households but encouraged to sit outside at again socially distanced seating areas.
Toilets are open only 1 in at a time in both ladies and gents.
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Cambs
Must be quite low level cricket as most clubs in played at in Cambs, Suffolk and Norfolk that I’m played at have a bar & pavilion
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Cambs league clubs with a bar, just off the top of my head
March, Wisbech, Stamford Town, Eaton Socon, Godmanchester, Warseley, Saffron Walden, Ramsey, St Ives, Castor, Burwell, Chatteris, Kimbolton (I think)
There will be plenty more, those are just the ones I can recall playing at in the last few years.
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Cambs league clubs with a bar, just off the top of my head
March, Wisbech, Stamford Town, Eaton Socon, Godmanchester, Warseley, Saffron Walden, Ramsey, St Ives, Castor, Burwell, Chatteris, Kimbolton (I think)
There will be plenty more, those are just the ones I can recall playing at in the last few years.
Stamford is in Lincolnshire
Godmanchester, Eaton Socon, Waresly, Ramsey, St Ives, Kimbolton are all in Huntingdonshire
Saffron Walden is in Essex
So you've named 5, including the 2 I was thinking of.
5 out of ~120 clubs is not a high proportion.
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Stamford is in Lincolnshire
Godmanchester, Eaton Socon, Waresly, Ramsey, St Ives, Kimbolton are all in Huntingdonshire
Saffron Walden is in Essex
So you've named 5, including the 2 I was thinking of.
5 out of ~120 clubs is not a high proportion.
They all play in the Cambs & Hunts Premier league or Cambs Cricket Association league...
Ketton is in Rutland, we used to play in the Cambs & Hunts Premier league, we have a bar.
I'm not sure what you are getting at when you say you've played at around 60 clubs in the county, as is not uncommon for clubs in border region to play in the league of another county. Are all 60 inside the palisade walls of Cambridgeshire?
What club do you play for?
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Huntingdonshire isn't a real county anyway, it is a district of Cambridgeshire, just like for example; Fenland.
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They all play in the Cambs & Hunts Premier league or Cambs Cricket Association league...
Ketton is in Rutland, we used to play in the Cambs & Hunts Premier league, we have a bar.
I'm not sure what you are getting at when you say you've played at around 60 clubs in the county, as is not uncommon for clubs in border region to play in the league of another county. Are all 60 inside the palisade walls of Cambridgeshire?
What club do you play for?
I just said there weren't many clubs with bars in the county - definitely less than 1 in 10 have bars. I wasn't talking about neighbouring counties.
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I've played for 5 years in the Hunts & Cambs leagues. I'd say at the very least 1/3rd of the clubs i've played at have a bar and i don't play at a decent standard by any means.
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I just said there weren't many clubs with bars in the county - definitely less than 1 in 10 have bars. I wasn't talking about neighbouring counties.
Its real enough to have its own cricket board and cricket league. https://huntsccl.play-cricket.com/
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I've played for 5 years in the Hunts & Cambs leagues. I'd say at the very least 1/3rd of the clubs i've played at have a bar and i don't play at a decent standard by any means.
Feel free to name the Cambs ones.
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Histon, Foxton, Cambridge Granta, Cambridge NCI, Burghley Park are the only clubs I can think of without a bar.
I'm sure there is plenty lower down the pyramid in the CCA divisions, but your post stating basically no-one in Cambs has a bar is not correct based on my experience.
Nassington play/played in the Cambs league and have a bar, but I guess they don't count because the village is in Northants.... ?
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Eaton Socon, Goddy, St Ives, Ramsey, Waresley, Houghton & Wyton, Buckden, Alconbury, Huntingdon & District - thats off the top of my head from the last 2 years
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Its real enough to have its own cricket board and cricket league. https://huntsccl.play-cricket.com/
The Hunts league is part of the same pyramid, it feeds into the Cambs & Hunts Premier league, which in turn feeds into the ECB East Anglian Premier League.
You were the one who wanted to make it solely about the county itself, rather than a league. If we are talking politics/geography then Hunts is a district of Cambridgeshire.
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Eaton Socon, Goddy, St Ives, Ramsey, Waresley, Houghton & Wyton, Buckden, Alconbury, Huntingdon & District - thats off the top of my head from the last 2 years
As I've already said 3 times, I'm talking about within Cambs, not Hunts.
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Histon, Foxton, Cambridge Granta, Cambridge NCI, Burghley Park are the only clubs I can think of without a bar.
fair enough. I guess this just demonstrates that you haven't played at, like, 95% of the grounds in Cambs.
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As I've already said 3 times, I'm talking about within Cambs, not Hunts.
And as has been pointed out to you, Huntingdonshire is a district within the county of Cambridgeshire. I live in the district of Huntingdonshire and my town is the biggest within the county of Cambridgeshire.
Occasionally you might find it useful to put your ego aside and admit you are wrong, but judging by your constant refusal to thus far, it's probably unlikely.
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If we are talking politics/geography then Hunts is a district of Cambridgeshire.
Cricket uses the traditional pre-1974 county structure, hence the existence of Middlesex.
In cricketing terms, Huntingdonshire and Cambridgeshire are separate counties with separate boards, separate leagues, separate minor counties sides and separate county age group programmes. They're separate.
I have no idea what the situation is like in Hunts as I've never played there. I do know that of the ~120 or so clubs in Cambridgeshire, less than 10% have bars. So far people have thought of 5, I doubt anyone is going to come up with 8+ more.
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And as has been pointed out to you, Huntingdonshire is a district within the county of Cambridgeshire. I live in the district of Huntingdonshire and my town is the biggest within the county of Cambridgeshire.
Occasionally you might find it useful to put your ego aside and admit you are wrong, but judging by your constant refusal to thus far, it's probably unlikely.
See my other post, thanks. I was, and am, talking about the cricketing county of Cambridgeshire, which follows the traditional county boundary, not the upper tier local authority instituted in 1974.
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So other than myself as the skipper, who can go in and get kit etc out, no-one is allowed in the pavilion other than to use the toilet. Its one in one out with hand sanitiser before and after.
We don't have a bar, I can think of only one club in the whole county that do. We have around 120 clubs, I've played at around half of them. Maybe some of the others do? It seems unlikely.
You've said 'the county'
As I've already said 3 times, I'm talking about within Cambs, not Hunts.
You've clarified that by saying 'Cambs not Hunts' - and also dismissed the idea of leagues that have other clubs as well as Cambs clubs in them, or non Cambs clubs who play in Cambs leagues. So we must definitely be solely talking about Cambridgeshire as a county here, not as a league.
But, Hunts is a district of Cambs:
The county is now divided between Cambridgeshire County Council and Peterborough City Council, which, since 1998, forms a separate unitary authority. In the county there are five district councils, Cambridge City Council, East Cambridgeshire District Council, Fenland District Council, Huntingdonshire District Council and South Cambridgeshire District Council.[4]
So what you actually mean is the clubs who are based in Cambridge City, East Cambs, South Cambs and Fenland, who also play in the lower levels of the Cambs & Hunts Premier League pyramid; the Cambs Cricket Association commonly known as the CCA league.
In this case I would agree. Most single team small village clubs in those areas probably don't have a bar. Many will be village greens adjacent to the pub, or recreation grounds.
To extrapolate this and say basically no club in the entire county has a bar is nonsense.
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See my other post, thanks. I was, and am, talking about the cricketing county of Cambridgeshire, which follows the traditional county boundary, not the upper tier local authority instituted in 1974.
A high proportion of players to represent 'the cricketing county of cambridgeshire' at minor counties level come from Hunts based clubs.
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Cricket uses the traditional pre-1974 county structure, hence the existence of Middlesex.
In cricketing terms, Huntingdonshire and Cambridgeshire are separate counties with separate boards, separate leagues, separate minor counties sides and separate county age group programmes. They're separate.
I have no idea what the situation is like in Hunts as I've never played there. I do know that of the ~120 or so clubs in Cambridgeshire, less than 10% have bars. So far people have thought of 5, I doubt anyone is going to come up with 8+ more.
hunts dont have a minor counties side, they play friendlies.
Cmbs and Hunts are not separate, as mentioned previously. the top 3 divisions in the pyramid before you get to ECB premier league level are called 'The Cambs & Hunts Premier League' and have been commonly known as 'the cambs league' for as long as I've been playing. The CCA and Hunts leagues feed into the Cambs & Hunts Premier League.
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hunts dont have a minor counties side, they play friendlies.
Cmbs and Hunts are not separate, as mentioned previously. the top 3 divisions in the pyramid before you get to ECB premier league level are called 'The Cambs & Hunts Premier League' and have been commonly known as 'the cambs league' for as long as I've been playing. The CCA and Hunts leagues feed into the Cambs & Hunts Premier League.
Does Huntingdonshire have a separate cricket board, or does it not?
The fact that neighbouring counties merge leagues at high levels is irrelevant. Does the existence of two counties league mean that Suffolk and Essex are the same county?
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Our bar/pavilion is not open to away players or the public. Committee members are allowed in for their respective duties and the bar is open with ordering at the front door via contactless payment and drinks being brought to the customer. We are fortunate enough to have plenty of outdoor seating around the pavilion so this was the favoured spot of most drinkers even pre corona.
Changing rooms are not open for either team although I must confess that when the evening has got late a few of the lads have taken showers one at a time in the homes.
We have one External toilet open on match days for players and officials with soap and sanitizer everywhere.
Every club in our league has a bar and I can think of perhaps 8 at most Ive played at in the county in my 21 years mens cricket that dont have a bar. Clown!
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As much as debating county boundaries is fun, let's get back to on topic posts please gents.
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Did someone delete my post?
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Our changing rooms showers and kitchen are seperate attached buildings but have toilet as part. Toilet is only open.
The seperate bar is open and ran as any other bar.
To be fair, our pryamid leads to Birmmgham League but we Consider ourselves warwickshire league. 90% of clubs have a bar woth the exception of second grounds.
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Sorry I wasn't aware that this forum was restricted to EAPL players only.
It’s not and only you could take a comment like that personally. Well done.
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How do clubs survive without a bar? Some of my fondest memories in junior cricket were buying lots of cans of 'Rio' to fill a jug if someone scored a 100 or took a 5-for.
Good times! Olton and West Warwicks virtually had their own pub, very impressive facilities (or at least I was impressed at the time).
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I'd prefer not to lock this or spend my time deleting all the offending posts, so last warning folks - play nicely please.
My club uses the university ground so while we have the advantage of a lovely pitch and pavilion, sadly at the moment the pavilion is totally off limits. Other clubs we've played at this year have all had their bar open in some form or other though, mostly seems like sensible compromises have been found.
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How do clubs survive without a bar? Some of my fondest memories in junior cricket were buying lots of cans of 'Rio' to fill a jug if someone scored a 100 or took a 5-for.
Good times! Olton and West Warwicks virtually had their own pub, very impressive facilities (or at least I was impressed at the time).
Most are sponsored by the local pub. One of the best things about playing cricket is that you get to visit lots of pubs in towns or little villages you would never otherwise have gone in.
Medium sized cricket clubs with 2 adult teams and 2 junior teams will typically have annual expenditure of between 5 and 10k - you can easily cover that from sponsorship, fundraising events and match fees.
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Most are sponsored by the local pub. One of the best things about playing cricket is that you get to visit lots of pubs in towns or little villages you would never otherwise have gone in.
Medium sized cricket clubs with 2 adult teams and 2 junior teams will typically have annual expenditure of between 5 and 10k - you can easily cover that from sponsorship, fundraising events and match fees.
Please tell us all which club you play for and how you raise between £5k-£10k through a sponsored agreement with anyone via cricket as I would be keen as mustard to understand that.
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That isn't what SLA is saying, he is saying that over a season those teams will put about £5k pkus in revenue through a bar.
That isn't they will make £5k plus in profit for a club.
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Match fees and subs alone will be over £5k for most clubs with two adult/junior sides.
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This thread is gold!! Even playing Surrey 3XI cricket, I can't remember the last time I went to a club without a bar.
The club bar is part of my cricketing upbringing, development and friendships - I can;t imagine playing for a club without one.
Must be lucky I guess!!
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Please tell us all which club you play for and how you raise between £5k-£10k through a sponsored agreement with anyone via cricket as I would be keen as mustard to understand that.
replying to everyone generally: when I was treasurer of a medium sized club we used to get about £1500 from advertising boards, £1000 in shirt and website sponsorship (mostly from local pubs), £1000 from bonus ball club, £1000 from a race night, and maybe £1000 in total from other fundraising events (eg a quiz night, 6 aside tournament).
So you can easily get £5000 without having to ask players to dip their hands in their pockets. That's enough to cover groundsman (about £2500) insurance, match balls, topping up the kit bag, and have some left over to save for emergencies.
If you want any more advice just ask. I was treasurer for 5 years.
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This thread is gold!! Even playing Surrey 3XI cricket, I can't remember the last time I went to a club without a bar.
The club bar is part of my cricketing upbringing, development and friendships - I can;t imagine playing for a club without one.
Must be lucky I guess!!
What is 3XI cricket? In Cambs only 15 out of ~120 clubs have 3rd XIs. If through some weird system you only ever played those 14 other clubs you wouldn't really get a good feel for the "typical" club setup.
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Groundsman to produce enough pitches for a game every week if not 2/3 a week for under £5k I’m done!
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Groundsman to produce enough pitches for a game every week if not 2/3 a week for under £5k I’m done!
We play 2 to 3 games a week. Our groundsman charges us monthly. It comes to around 2500 per annum. He brings his own equipment. He also does 2 other clubs' pitches. Must be said, he's very good and his pitches are excellent.
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Not sure on the going rate down south but you'd definitely get good quality pitches for 2/3 games a week up here in Scotland for less than 5 grand a season.