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Title: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on November 13, 2020, 09:43:01 AM
Squads announced for Test series:
Australia: Sean Abbott, Joe Burns, Pat Cummins, Cameron Green, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Michael Neser, Tim Paine (c)(w/k), James Pattinson, Will Pucovski, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, Matthew Wade, David Warner

India: Virat Kohli (c), Rohit Sharma, Mayank Agarwal, Prithvi Shaw, KL Rahul, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane (vice-captain), Hanuma Vihari, Shubman Gill, Wriddhiman Saha (w/k), Rishabh Pant (w/k), Jasprit Bumrah, Mohammad Shami, Umesh Yadav, Navdeep Saini, Kuldeep Yadav, Ravindra Jadeja, R. Ashwin, Mohammad Siraj.

Kohli will leave after the day night 1st Test in Adelaide as Mrs Kohli is due to give birth to a mini Kohli. Don’t see India being competitive without their main man. Rohit Sharma, Ishant Sharma(might be added later) and Saha all carrying injuries.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on November 13, 2020, 10:16:36 AM
Hoping to see Pucovski given a chance, looks a serious player. Green seems like he has the potential to be the Aussie Stokes, hugely exciting prospect too.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: mo_town on November 13, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Sadly think that India will struggle to compete in the test series with none of the players having played any cricket resembling the longer format in the past 6 months or so. The only play time most of them have had is the IPL. Also, its always frustrating to see that BCCI never plans playing enough tour matches prior to the series when playing overseas.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: edge on November 13, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
Hoping to see Pucovski given a chance, looks a serious player. Green seems like he has the potential to be the Aussie Stokes, hugely exciting prospect too.
Pucovski looks very tidy. On first viewing Green doesn't look like a player who should have the stats he does! Be interesting to see if he plays, could be a bit of an lbw candidate at test level.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on November 13, 2020, 11:47:04 AM
Pucovski looks very tidy. On first viewing Green doesn't look like a player who should have the stats he does! Be interesting to see if he plays, could be a bit of an lbw candidate at test level.

Think there's just something inherently exciting about someone who can hit hundreds and bowl high 80s!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on November 13, 2020, 12:04:29 PM
Sadly think that India will struggle to compete in the test series with none of the players having played any cricket resembling the longer format in the past 6 months or so. The only play time most of them have had is the IPL. Also, its always frustrating to see that BCCI never plans playing enough tour matches prior to the series when playing overseas.

At least it's some actual proper cricket rather than slap and tickle. How many tests is it?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: joymarvin on November 13, 2020, 01:44:30 PM
At least it's some actual proper cricket rather than slap and tickle. How many tests is it?

04 tests I guess.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Chompy9760 on November 13, 2020, 01:56:52 PM
3 x ODI's, 3 x T20I's as soon as everyone gets out of quarrantine, then two x 3 day matches (Aus A v India A), and the 4 tests.
Adelaide 17 dec (day/night),
Melbourne 26 dec
Sydney 7 Jan
Brisbane 15 jan.

Will be interesting times selection wise, with a lot of guys banging down the door, that can no longer be ignored.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on November 13, 2020, 03:00:14 PM
With Warner and Smith back, even with Kohli in, I think its gonna be an Aussie whitewash. Then with Kohli out after 1st test, doesn't look good for Ind.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on November 13, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
Is this on UK tv anywhere?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on November 13, 2020, 04:12:54 PM
I imagine Test attacks will target Pucovski with the short stuff. Already had several concussions and stopped playing for quite a while. Will make for good watching either way. Can certainly play off the front foot, I watched highlights of his double ton last week
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on November 27, 2020, 12:34:41 AM
The visitors faint hopes seem to have receded further - Ishant Sharma ruled out from the Test series with some stomach muscle injury. Rohit Sharma will miss at least the first two Tests.
Rohit was supposedly a candidate to be stand in captain when Kohli leaves after Adelaide, could be a scenario where he never gets another Test cap.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on November 27, 2020, 09:01:20 AM
Great start to the ODI Series

376 a huge score

but india off to a flyer

Zampa has just dropped a sitter - VK to cash in?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on November 27, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
What channel??
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: irrepressible on November 27, 2020, 03:03:36 PM
What channel??

BT Sport
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on November 27, 2020, 03:09:21 PM
Great start to the ODI Series

376 a huge score

but india off to a flyer

Zampa has just dropped a sitter - VK to cash in?


Can’t really agree that it’s a ‘great start’.. one sided game and a loss by what.. 60 ish ?? Will admit to tuning out once Aus had passed 300 and then tuned out after the first 10 of India’s innings as it was only going one way.

Better than 2020 tho
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on November 27, 2020, 03:32:25 PM
Yes that was a little premature. Great in that Aussies scored such a big score.

Indians balance dont look right. Need a 6th option?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on November 27, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
Yes that was a little premature. Great in that Aussies scored such a big score.

Indians balance dont look right. Need a 6th option?

For a white ball game where it’s simply who can out biff another they look a little light on batting too tbf
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on November 27, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
Am not sure - some of their dismissals today were tame. A few playing too many shots too soon. They got up to 308 without the top order contributing.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on November 27, 2020, 04:08:38 PM
Am not sure - some of their dismissals today were tame. A few playing too many shots too soon. They got up to 308 without the top order contributing.


that's white ball for you. Players basically come off or they don't.. finch could easily have been caught out on the up for like 10 and run out for what... 51?? a lot of white ball is just luck on the day
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on November 27, 2020, 04:15:39 PM
India put a lot of chances down in the field. Bowling wise, Saini was poor and Bumrah was disappointing.

Think it's a bit daft to suggest they are light on batting given their number 8 has an ODI average of over 30, just the batsman they had didn't bat well and their top order failed to contribute.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on November 27, 2020, 04:21:29 PM

that's white ball for you. Players basically come off or they don't.. finch could easily have been caught out on the up for like 10 and run out for what... 51?? a lot of white ball is just luck on the day

Do you love it or hate it? I cant tell
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on November 27, 2020, 05:19:51 PM
Do you love it or hate it? I cant tell

can't stand it but it's cricket (kind of :) ).   Red ball all the way
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: fros23 on November 27, 2020, 05:21:15 PM
India put a lot of chances down in the field. Bowling wise, Saini was poor and Bumrah was disappointing.

Think it's a bit daft to suggest they are light on batting given their number 8 has an ODI average of over 30, just the batsman they had didn't bat well and their top order failed to contribute.

Their number 8 now has an ODI average of 82, from 3 innings.  He has also never made a 50 in professional cricket so which of those stats is more representative to his batting?

With Pandya not fit to bowl you could argue that they managed to be both a batsman and a bowler light!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on November 27, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Their number 8 now has an ODI average of 82, from 3 innings.  He has also never made a 50 in professional cricket so which of those stats is more representative to his batting?

With Pandya not fit to bowl you could argue that they managed to be both a batsman and a bowler light!

Meant their number 7, lazy reading of the scorecard...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: cricketbadger on November 27, 2020, 08:07:09 PM
Negative Nigel is back
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on November 28, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
Quite remarkable that none of India’s batsmen can bowl at all - Agarwal, Dhawan, Kohli or Iyer. Go back a few years the likes of Tendulkar, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Raina all bowled to a decent standard.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on November 28, 2020, 03:40:00 PM
Quite remarkable that none of India’s batsmen can bowl at all - Agarwal, Dhawan, Kohli or Iyer. Go back a few years the likes of Tendulkar, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Raina all bowled to a decent standard.
Read an article somewhere that the sidearm is the cause of more and more batsmen not bowling at all these days in nets after they are done with their batting practice. So they don't get any bowling practice at all unlike earlier days.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on November 28, 2020, 04:43:49 PM
Read an article somewhere that the sidearm is the cause of more and more batsmen not bowling at all these days in nets after they are done with their batting practice. So they don't get any bowling practice at all unlike earlier days.

T20 also invites more and more specialisation. Chances of someone being able to get through a few ropey overs are probably much less than when Sachin et al were bowling.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: InternalTraining on November 28, 2020, 05:59:21 PM
Quite remarkable that none of India’s batsmen can bowl at all - Agarwal, Dhawan, Kohli or Iyer. Go back a few years the likes of Tendulkar, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Raina all bowled to a decent standard.

Also, they look so thin. Did Hardik Pandaya bowl? His innings and shots were great but he looked so thin!

Finch looks like Strongman contestant.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on November 28, 2020, 06:35:46 PM
Also, they look so thin. Did Hardik Pandaya bowl? His innings and shots were great but he looked so thin!

Finch looks like Strongman contestant.

I thought during the IPL he had slimmed down significantly. Is this a conscious effort as hes not bowling?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on November 28, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
I thought during the IPL he had slimmed down significantly. Is this a conscious effort as hes not bowling?

Isn't him not bowling down to injury?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on November 28, 2020, 07:16:45 PM
Warne said Pandya has spine fusion surgery. Pandya himself suggests he won’t bowl before the 2021 WC T20. 
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 02, 2020, 08:19:05 AM
The main difference between the sides is fielding. Australia have pretty much taken everything whereas India’s fielding has been ridiculously bad. If you keep dropping guys like Finch he’s gonna make you pay especially on very flat pitches
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 02, 2020, 08:26:55 AM
Excited to see Natarajan making his debut, was really impressed with him at the IPL.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on December 02, 2020, 10:01:09 AM
It's shocking how both teams are scoring 300+ in all three matches. Bowling to blame or wicket?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on December 02, 2020, 10:17:37 AM
It's shocking how both teams are scoring 300+ in all three matches. Bowling to blame or wicket?

Its been happening fairly regularly for several years now. T20 has made batsmen realise they can go harder for longer, not just tee off in the last 10.

Have to give alot of credit to Brendan McCullum and then Eoin Morgan for pushing the limits of ODI totals
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 02, 2020, 10:35:30 AM
The pitch at Sydney was ridiculously flat but Australia had India’s number because they had three quality fast bowlers - despite Starc getting leathered. Couple with no Indian scored a century.
India had Bumrah and Shami - there was a massive drop off in class when Saini bowled.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on December 02, 2020, 10:57:30 AM
Maxwell special in progress  :o
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 02, 2020, 11:02:55 AM
Maxwell special in progress  :o

Good timing on this one 😂
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on December 02, 2020, 11:04:08 AM
all about timing  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 02, 2020, 11:18:13 AM
Difference in this match was Natarajan and Thakur actually had a game plan and they both implemented it.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on December 02, 2020, 11:30:08 AM
thought the spinner also bowled well.

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on December 02, 2020, 12:58:06 PM
Maxwell special in progress  :o
Is it not banned to change you hand position/switch grip while playing reverse shots.
I think KP was banned doing so. Correct me if wrong.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: edge on December 02, 2020, 01:07:08 PM
Is it not banned to change you hand position/switch grip while playing reverse shots.
I think KP was banned doing so. Correct me if wrong.
Consider yourself corrected.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: edge on December 02, 2020, 02:16:28 PM
Pretty sure you can do more or less what you want so long as it doesn't break any other law like standing on the danger area, but the bowler isn't compelled to bowl at you (a la Dilshan v KP)

edit: seems there was a ICC directive (ie. not a law) in 2010 that said you can't switch hands before the bowler enters their delivery stride, no idea what might have changed since then though.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 04, 2020, 09:58:48 AM
First T20 India manage to reach 161-7 - Jadeja lighting it up with an entertaining 44* at the death. Seems to have pulled a hamstring so could miss the test series. Henriques took 3 wickets with his medium pacers - looked unplayable at times.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on December 04, 2020, 11:15:37 AM
doubt jedeja would have made the test side?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 04, 2020, 11:48:31 AM
doubt jedeja would have made the test side?
They need an all rounder to balance the side. Pandya can’t do that role at present.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 04, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
India win by 11 runs their bowlers comprehensively out did the Australians. Natarajan, Chahal and Washington very impressive. The hosts clueless against spin.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on December 04, 2020, 12:10:34 PM
Pretty farcical situation with replacing Jadeja, since no protocol was followed whatsoever
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: cricketbadger on December 04, 2020, 12:41:08 PM
Have the rules changed? Thought subs were only allowed due to concussion? So in theory Jadeja should have been replaced by a sub fielder only, and have to find some overseas from someone else
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ScottParko on December 04, 2020, 12:51:10 PM
Have the rules changed? Thought subs were only allowed due to concussion? So in theory Jadeja should have been replaced by a sub fielder only, and have to find some overseas from someone else

He had been hit on the head not long before his hamstring injury so he ‘got’ concussion from that and was allowed a sub as a result.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on December 04, 2020, 01:03:40 PM
He should have had a concussion test immediately and didn't...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Warneymonster on December 04, 2020, 02:49:27 PM
don't like Langer but in this case he's right to be angry. protocols weren't followed so Jadeja should only have been allowed a sub fielder. wonder whether he would have come out if he hadn't pulled his hamstring?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 04, 2020, 03:09:57 PM
I thought after any hit to the helmet the physio has to come out. Pretty harsh questioning whether he should be allowed a concussion sub as concussions usually occur a while after a hit.

India well within their right for a concussion sub irrespective of hamstring injury or not
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: six and out on December 04, 2020, 03:32:59 PM
The simple fact is Jadeja got hit on the helmet, the Indian physio did a test and said he had concussion, so after that they are allowed a sub who can bowl.

Should he have had a test on the pitch when he got hit, yes. Would he have come off then, maybe.

But as soon as the physio says he has concussion it's end of story because whats David Boon going to do call him a liar and tell Jadeja to get on the park! Of course not.

Maybe the Indians have bent the rules, maybe Jadeja had delayed concussion, only they will know.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 04, 2020, 04:45:10 PM
Doctor said he had concussion. End of matter.

Of course players and sides at the pro level will cheat, scam, bend and use ‘gamesmanship’ to win.. they are paid to win after all so couldn’t care less about the rest.

As it happens, it’s a random one off game of white ball.. meh.. just move on as it’s kinda irrelevant unless it’s a knock out World Cup game
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 04, 2020, 05:42:18 PM
According to one of the commentator’s, the match ref sent in a neutral doctor to check on Jadeja. Match ref was Australian David Boon. Supposedly not very amused India’s medical team didn’t go check on Jadeja.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: six and out on December 04, 2020, 06:00:56 PM
Jadeja just been ruled out of the rest of the T20i series
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: cricketbadger on December 04, 2020, 09:33:03 PM
All smells a bit fishy to me.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SD on December 04, 2020, 10:50:11 PM
Sadly it is the nature of these things that they are open to abuse and sharp practice.  It will certainly sit uneasily to see a player take a blow then carry on playing before being withdrawn.  Even if the guy is your top scorer in the innings, he shouldn't be batting on if he isn't fit to return after the break.

It also places the medics in a difficult position.  It reminds me a bit of the situation the team doctor was faced with in the blood gate incident
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: golders on December 05, 2020, 07:00:03 AM
Will this make it on Aussie’s next Documentary I wonder. They never learn.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 05, 2020, 11:33:27 AM
Sadly it is the nature of these things that they are open to abuse and sharp practice.  It will certainly sit uneasily to see a player take a blow then carry on playing before being withdrawn.  Even if the guy is your top scorer in the innings, he shouldn't be batting on if he isn't fit to return after the break.

It also places the medics in a difficult position.  It reminds me a bit of the situation the team doctor was faced with in the blood gate incident

In sport sadly people seem to fixate on WAAC. This leads to 'sharp practice' etc etc.    Sadly, there is no one to blame other than whoever 'runs' things which at the end of the day, is the Head Coach and then the ECB Chair (or CA/BCCI equivalent). In these cases, those who are paid to be responsible should be held to account for the actions of their teams 'sharp practice'

Given amateur teams also seem to employ similar tactics in one way or another to gain an advantage in the name of being competitive it won't stop or be able to be stopped without overly harsh punishments which we know the ICC or down to local boards/clubs won't meat out through fear.

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 06, 2020, 11:45:34 AM
India chase down 194 to win the T20 series. Pandya lights up the SCG with some devastating hitting.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 06, 2020, 11:52:07 AM
Did pandya just say his favourite bat lasted him 3 years
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on December 06, 2020, 12:00:11 PM
Yup 3 years. That breaks the myth of over pressed etc probats
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SD on December 06, 2020, 01:09:31 PM
In sport sadly people seem to fixate on WAAC. This leads to 'sharp practice' etc etc.    Sadly, there is no one to blame other than whoever 'runs' things which at the end of the day, is the Head Coach and then the ECB Chair (or CA/BCCI equivalent). In these cases, those who are paid to be responsible should be held to account for the actions of their teams 'sharp practice'

Given amateur teams also seem to employ similar tactics in one way or another to gain an advantage in the name of being competitive it won't stop or be able to be stopped without overly harsh punishments which we know the ICC or down to local boards/clubs won't meat out through fear.

I agree, I don't see anything that will be done to address this.  As far as I can see, either India let a batsman who wasn't fit to continue carry on batting because they were more interested in winning the game than his welfare, or he was fit to continue but they took advantage of the concussion replacement as his muscular injury would have prevented him from bowling.  Neither brings any credit whatsoever on those involved
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on December 06, 2020, 01:48:53 PM
Did pandya just say his favourite bat lasted him 3 years

Any link to this interview?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 06, 2020, 01:57:12 PM
India chase down 194 to win the T20 series. Pandya lights up the SCG with some devastating hitting.

Which motorway were they on today ?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jamesisapayne on December 06, 2020, 05:12:00 PM
Which motorway were they on today ?

Jesus Christ. I genuinely do wonder why you play this game, you never have anything positive to say about anything.

I’m happy that we’re watching live sport at all. Thought it was an enjoyable game, and really like the look of a couple of the newer Indian players I haven’t seen much of before.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 06, 2020, 05:30:29 PM
Jesus Christ. I genuinely do wonder why you play this game, you never have anything positive to say about anything.

I’m happy that we’re watching live sport at all. Thought it was an enjoyable game, and really like the look of a couple of the newer Indian players I haven’t seen much of before.

I'm a big fan of Natarajan. Apparently fairly massive for someone from his home region in India to be selected for the national team too which is nice to see.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 06, 2020, 08:12:16 PM
Jesus Christ. I genuinely do wonder why you play this game, you never have anything positive to say about anything.

I’m happy that we’re watching live sport at all. Thought it was an enjoyable game, and really like the look of a couple of the newer Indian players I haven’t seen much of before.

Has to be a contest between bat and ball though and a format which offers variety

Cricket is a great game when you have ebb and flow and players with high different skill sets and everything is on the table.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Chompy9760 on December 06, 2020, 09:56:33 PM
Yup 3 years. That breaks the myth of over pressed etc probats

I didn't watch it, but according to the radio he changed bats about 4 times during that innings.  If he has a favourite, he doesn't use it all the time.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 06, 2020, 10:07:30 PM
I didn't watch it, but according to the radio he changed bats about 4 times during that innings.  If he has a favourite, he doesn't use it all the time.

He said his favourite broke, so he’s been changing his bats to find a good one. But said he used his favourite for 3 years
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Chompy9760 on December 06, 2020, 10:29:41 PM
Ahhh - that would explain it.  Didn't sound like there was too much wrong with any of the ones he was using :)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: six and out on December 07, 2020, 07:36:19 AM
While the T20i's have been going on a very interesting sub-plot is happening in the form of the Australia A vs India game.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19846/scorecard/1237425/australia-a-vs-indians-tour-match-india-in-australia-2020-21 (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19846/scorecard/1237425/australia-a-vs-indians-tour-match-india-in-australia-2020-21)

It is a throwback to the older days of full sides playing tour games. The Australian team has a number of guys vying for places or set for debut, plus the Indian line up has players who haven't played red ball for ages so are trying to get practice in such as Pujura.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 08, 2020, 08:24:01 AM
Will Pucovski hit on the head in the warm up match. With this concussion issues might put his Test debut on ice.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 08, 2020, 09:25:21 AM
Wade is some player in T20s, have to wonder if he could do the Warner job in longer form cricket in Australia.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 08, 2020, 09:55:47 AM
India seems to have found a potential star in this Natarajan chap.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 08, 2020, 11:16:55 AM
Swepson enjoying himself 3-23. Not sure how Pant doesn’t get into this Indian side.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 08, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
Swepson enjoying himself 3-23. Not sure how Pant doesn’t get into this Indian side.

His keeping hasn't been great and he's not shown the level of consistency that Rahul, Saha, etc have in the IPL.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 09, 2020, 08:00:30 AM
David Warner will miss first test with groin injury. Will Pucovski also unlikely with concussion.
Joe Burns looks like a walking wicket. Matthew Wade might be pushed up to open.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 09, 2020, 12:43:09 PM
David Warner will miss first test with groin injury. Will Pucovski also unlikely with concussion.
Joe Burns looks like a walking wicket. Matthew Wade might be pushed up to open.

Wade opening in Tests... that's hilarious.. Aus are obviously that devoid of Red Ball talent
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SpiderDan on December 09, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
Wade opening in Tests... that's hilarious.. Aus are obviously that devoid of Red Ball talent

It hasn't been mentioned anywhere that he'll open. They do have a lot of openers currently to choose from but its making sure they pick the right one. Burns is cooked which has created a massive problem. Marnus has said he'd like to open if given the chance. Options are there.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 09, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
Wade opening only makes sense if you're trying to replace Warner as closely as possible. It'd be entertaining at least.

Reckon it will be Burns and Harris for the first test with Warner back ASAP if he can get fit. Pucovski unlucky with the head knock but his history of concussions has to be a serious worry.

Labuschagne opening is an interesting one, feel like he does have the game for it. Maybe if Green comes into the middle order at 5 or 6, Marnus is promoted to open and Smith, Head, Wade make up the top 6. Not totally ridiculous.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 11, 2020, 04:10:12 PM
Looks like Cameron Green has concussion after he was hit on the head by a Bumrah straight hit. Looks like both Pucovski and Green won’t play in Adelaide.
Joe Burns misery continued with another duck.
Bumrah and Shami look devastating with the pink ball.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 11, 2020, 04:14:24 PM
The one that hit Green was an absolute sickener, hope it's just precautionary. Real shame for him and Pucovski as both have looked real prospects so far this year.

See Harris didn't set the world alight either, Aussies will be praying Warner is back quickly.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 11, 2020, 07:34:14 PM
Also worth noting Bumrah was hit on the head when batting and tried to refuse the concussion test.
The Indians needs to take it more seriously.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SD on December 11, 2020, 08:06:16 PM
Also worth noting Bumrah was hit on the head when batting and tried to refuse the concussion test.
The Indians needs to take it more seriously.

Given that rugby and football both seem to be heading to where the NFL found itself in terms of litigation over head injuries, it wouldn't be a surprise to see it being mandatory for a player being struck on the head to leave the field for a proper assessment.  I think that the days of it being considered brave to get up after taking blow to the head and carry on are consigned to the past
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 11, 2020, 08:33:05 PM
Given that rugby and football both seem to be heading to where the NFL found itself in terms of litigation over head injuries, it wouldn't be a surprise to see it being mandatory for a player being struck on the head to leave the field for a proper assessment.  I think that the days of it being considered brave to get up after taking blow to the head and carry on are consigned to the past

Hopefully, yes. Getting cracked in the head by a rock going 90mph is no joke.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 12, 2020, 12:02:38 PM
India’s contenders staked their claims in Sydney. Vihari scored a hundred and Pant smashed a 73 ball hundred. Both Gill and Agarwal made 60s.
Pucovski has been replaced by Harris. Warner could also miss Melbourne.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on December 12, 2020, 06:25:52 PM
Getting checked after being hit on head is definitely needed. But more important than that is to improve protection. If ball hits the lid either on the top or on the grill, why are they still getting concussion injuries, it means helmet protection is still not where it should be. Also high time, need to start thinking about how to protect bowlers getting hit on their head/face in their follow through. They don't even have the helmets under which batsmen are getting concussion injuries.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: InternalTraining on December 13, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
Wildermuth looks very good!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 15, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
Looking like there will be Test debuts for Cameron Green(concussion test pending) and Shubman Gill. Wade looks like he’s opening.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 16, 2020, 09:38:07 AM
India announced their team early.
Shaw, Saha, Ashwin and U Yadav get the nod.
Rather odd Shaw got the place ahead of Gill, Shaw in the warm up games looked like an agricultural slogger...

Shaw
Agarwal
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Vihari
Saha
Ashwin
Shami
U Yadav
Bumrah
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: i12breakfree on December 16, 2020, 03:19:20 PM
Agree that Gill should have been given the opportunity instead of shaw specially looking at his recent form. Hopefully he can prove us wrong.
looking forward to some good cricket
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on December 16, 2020, 06:33:17 PM
India announced their team early.
Shaw, Saha, Ashwin and U Yadav get the nod.
Rather odd Shaw got the place ahead of Gill, Shaw in the warm up games looked like an agricultural slogger...

Shaw
Agarwal
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Vihari
Saha
Ashwin
Shami
U Yadav
Bumrah
2 aggressive openers, don't seem right to me. Shaw plays too many shots almost scoring run a ball. Hope both could show patient and leave good balls.
Gill might get chance when Kohli leaves Aus.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: LBWCandidate on December 16, 2020, 07:18:23 PM
I think the team management wants to give Shaw his chances as he has a decent record so far and also think Gill might be better in the middle order as he is supposed to be the next big test match player for India.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 16, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
I think the team management wants to give Shaw his chances as he has a decent record so far and also think Gill might be better in the middle order as he is supposed to be the next big test match player for India.

Gill has a more classical opener's temperament by the look of things. Possibly the long term replacement for Pujara.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 17, 2020, 08:08:43 AM
India going no where here - thought they’d push on before the twilight period.

The Aussies have bowled well though.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 08:10:01 AM
This is really enjoyable cricket. Hard to just biff .. making batters work. Great balance between bat and ball so far
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 08:19:05 AM
Wonderful batting from Pujara in that over to pick off two bad balls but the wicket meaning every ball is testing . Kohli nicking off over before too getting all biff biff but luckily for him surviving
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 08:26:14 AM
Vigil gone. Great contest .. now the door is open for Aus with the hitters in . Can’t see the rest of the Indians having the patience.. can see some biffs coming
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on December 17, 2020, 08:26:59 AM
Can't believe that wasn't given out. Also Pujara starting to walk then standing his ground, ah.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 08:27:49 AM
Can't believe that wasn't given out. Also Pujara starting to walk then standing his ground, ah.

Yeah bizarre from the umpire. Nice to see Pujara start to walk but can only assume Kohli said stand
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 08:34:00 AM
Rahana wafting away..  feels like a walking wicket currently
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 17, 2020, 08:41:57 AM
Yeah bizarre from the umpire. Nice to see Pujara start to walk but can only assume Kohli said stand

Aussies were appealing every other ball, don’t blame the umpire not giving it after some of those appeals

Can seeing india being rolled over for under 200 under the lights
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 09:00:41 AM
Aussies were appealing every other ball, don’t blame the umpire not giving it after some of those appeals

Can seeing india being rolled over for under 200 under the lights

Interesting as I’ve felt Aus seem to be playing with smiles so far.. none of this macho aggressive BS people think you need. Kohli is fighting hard but the rest are all biffers so as long as the wicket doesn’t go duff they could be in trouble .. alternatively, it might just come off and they score 300
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 17, 2020, 09:15:51 AM
Interesting as I’ve felt Aus seem to be playing with smiles so far.. none of this macho aggressive BS people think you need. Kohli is fighting hard but the rest are all biffers so as long as the wicket doesn’t go duff they could be in trouble .. alternatively, it might just come off and they score 300
Don’t think anyone would ever classify Pujara, Rahane and Vihari as ‘biffers’ tbh.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 09:23:18 AM
Batted boooy
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 09:23:45 AM
Don’t think anyone would ever classify Pujara, Rahane and Vihari as ‘biffers’ tbh.

If you say so
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Mtown Don on December 17, 2020, 09:24:14 AM
Don’t think anyone would ever classify Pujara, Rahane and Vihari as ‘biffers’ tbh.
Agreed, nor Saha and Ashwin.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 09:26:37 AM
Agreed, nor Saha and Ashwin.
Saha... Umm... sorry, is the non offensive phrase ‘stroke maker’ or ‘counter attacks ‘ ? We shall see how they go. As long as it remains a contest it’s all good.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 17, 2020, 09:33:34 AM
These two showing intent by running well, something pujara wasn’t doing. Pujara was unable to knock it into gaps earlier
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 17, 2020, 09:36:11 AM
These two showing intent by running well, something pujara wasn’t doing. Pujara was unable to knock it into gaps earlier
Pujara isn’t athletic enough to take advantage of good running.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: cricketbadger on December 17, 2020, 09:49:31 AM
Cant say I've ever seen Pujara and Biffer used in the same sentence
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
Sigh, no one said pujara unless the rest of the line up includes those already out but hey, who cares. Nice to have seen pujara bat long and now kohli also batting for time: proper cricket
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 10:09:54 AM
Kohli is showing good test match batting this innings, lovely to see
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 17, 2020, 10:10:25 AM
How did ump call that one 1 short
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 10:12:28 AM
How did ump call that one 1 short

Because they are getting to reliant on technology and so are getting worse (or at less consistent) in decisions (including no balls, run outs , LBPlumb etc etc)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 17, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Kohli sold down the river before the new ball. Massive that - can’t see the rest surviving the new ball
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 17, 2020, 10:37:05 AM
How much are the Aussies paying Rahane 😅
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 10:37:56 AM
And. That is why you don’t take stupid ‘intent’ runs in test cricket. Wicket is simply worth more than a few singles!! Awful ! Truly woeful cricket . White ball wickets means f all but not in tests.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 17, 2020, 10:39:48 AM
Very strange run. Not sure I agree that wickets mean nothing in white ball cricket but the risk/reward of a risky single in red ball cricket doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 10:42:19 AM
Very strange run. Not sure I agree that wickets mean nothing in white ball cricket but the risk/reward of a risky single in red ball cricket doesn't make sense.
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An individual wicket is pretty meaningless in white ball as it just means the next hitter comes out to chance their arm. Red ball, you only have a few test quality batsmen, you can’t go wasting or risking them for a few pinched singles


Roy going early doesn’t hurt England in white ball.. or bairstow etc etc . It’s what that format is about, just go at the ball every ball etc.

Good game so far this.. really great fun
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 17, 2020, 10:43:36 AM
This boy Green looks a generational talent. Once his body matures he could be a genuine 150kph bowler. Let alone his batting.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
This boy Green looks a generational talent. Once his body matures he could be a genuine 150kph bowler. Let alone his batting.

Looks effortless at 145kph. Imagine if they got him really running in and slightly less cross over of the legs. As you say, 150+. Does need to be more accurate though, and doesn’t seem to move it which he will need to learn. Otherwise the buffers will just tee off against him


What’s his batting like anyone ? Please don’t say he’s a white baller .. can he actually bat ?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 10:53:37 AM
Here we go.. calipso calapso on

You could argue a silly run out started it too... was it worth the 10-15 extra runs ?!?!?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 17, 2020, 10:53:44 AM
Green’s red ball average is 55 so I’d guess he’s pretty decent!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 10:54:48 AM
Green’s red ball average is 55 so I’d guess he’s pretty decent!


Oohhh, be good to see him then. Winner


Hold on, what’s wades ?!?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 10:59:11 AM
Now let’s see some fight from the tail.. bat long and get as much above 200 as they can . Need to bat time though not just slog it

Although 10/11 can have a swing as they are fun to watch swing the willow
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 17, 2020, 10:59:28 AM
Not sure about Wade but one of the commentators said Wade averaged over 50 two years prior to returning to the Test side.
Probably a shootout between Wade and Head.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 17, 2020, 10:59:58 AM
Very strange run. Not sure I agree that wickets mean nothing in white ball cricket but the risk/reward of a risky single in red ball cricket doesn't make sense.



An individual wicket is pretty meaningless in white ball as it just means the next hitter comes out to chance their arm. Red ball, you only have a few test quality batsmen, you can’t go wasting or risking them for a few pinched singles


Roy going early doesn’t hurt England in white ball.. or bairstow etc etc . It’s what that format is about, just go at the ball every ball etc.

Good game so far this.. really great fun

Again, don't think I agree. White ball the risk/reward calculation is skewed towards taking a higher level of risk.

You have, roughly, the same number of batsmen in a test side as an ODI/T20 side so I'm not sure what you're trying to say there.

The difference is in the risk/reward calculations. In white ball cricket you cannot win games any more by only playing low risk shots or taking low risk runs, whereas in red ball you can absolutely grind your way to wins.

Different note, Green looks a very exciting player. Be interesting to see how his batting comes on against Test match quality attacks.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 11:03:46 AM



An individual wicket is pretty meaningless in white ball as it just means the next hitter comes out to chance their arm. Red ball, you only have a few test quality batsmen, you can’t go wasting or risking them for a few pinched singles


Roy going early doesn’t hurt England in white ball.. or bairstow etc etc . It’s what that format is about, just go at the ball every ball etc.

Good game so far this.. really great fun


Again, don't think I agree. White ball the risk/reward calculation is skewed towards taking a higher level of risk.

You have, roughly, the same number of batsmen in a test side as an ODI/T20 side so I'm not sure what you're trying to say there.

The difference is in the risk/reward calculations. In white ball cricket you cannot win games any more by only playing low risk shots or taking low risk runs, whereas in red ball you can absolutely grind your way to wins.

Different note, Green looks a very exciting player. Be interesting to see how his batting comes on against Test match quality attacks.

White ball teams are packed with Moeen Ali, Curran types.. bits and bobs players who can bowl a bit but can also biff 20 odd off 10 etc.. I’d say you pack more batters into a white ball side as in red ball you need your top six to basically score 250 game in game out or you will lose (although due to the lack of quality teams are going down the white ball method and picking bowlers who can biff as they don’t trust their batsmen capable
Of consistently scoring the runs needed)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 17, 2020, 11:06:22 AM
Rahane selling Kohli down the river might end up costing India 100+ runs. Kohli is obviously a great player but he’s the most capable of manufacturing runs with the lower order. If the tourists can get 300 I think they’ll be ahead
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 17, 2020, 11:48:16 AM
India will probably take 236-6 in a D/N game after losing the openers early.

If pujara would’ve rotated strike better, they would’ve been in a better position given you need to cash in before the lights kick in.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 11:50:24 AM
India will probably take 236-6 in a D/N game after losing the openers early.

If pujara would’ve rotated strike better, they would’ve been in a better position given you need to cash in before the lights kick in.


Or he could have go out earlier and India might be in more trouble. 230 off a day is perfectly fine.. ideally only 4 down though but 6 isn’t a disaster

It’s test cricket not white ball. You don’t need to go ‘at a rate’.. 5 sessions for 300 is perfectly fine. Aus then have to bat.. depending on that, all options are open .. Aus bat well and India go into draw
Mode.. Aus then have to work out how to get a team out .. Aus bat badly and india are in the game and can set up a last 3 session go for a win (so can’t score too many ahead or Aus can simply bat it out)

This is why red ball is bette than white ball, it’s not just smash runs quickly and win .
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on December 17, 2020, 01:48:27 PM
I think  Aus will make 500 in their innings. Umesh Yadav is weak link in ind bowling, he will release any pressure Shami and Bumrah might build from the other end, unlike Aussies where not a single bowler was giving away any scoring ball ...Shaw selection is baffling given his disastrous form in both ipl and tour matches, can't see how he got selected. More than his poor form the nature of his dismissals should have been a big red flag. Going back to domestic cricket for a year should have been the right plan for him.. Based on form Gill or Rahul should have been playing.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 01:52:54 PM
I think  Aus will make 500 in their innings. Umesh Yadav is weak link in ind bowling, he will release any pressure Shami and Bumrah might build from the other end, unlike Aussies where not a single bowler was giving away any scoring ball ...Shaw selection is baffling given his disastrous form in both ipl and tour matches, can't see how he got selected. More than his poor form the nature of his dismissals should have been a big red flag. Going back to domestic cricket for a year should have been the right plan for him.. Based on form Gill or Rahul should have been playing.

IPl form?!?!? You realise that’s a totally different skill set and format right? I mean, the ball doesn’t move for a start and it’s flat decks etc etc . He’s a young kid, highly rated but maybe he should spend a year or two at 5/6 to learn the ropes, get confidence etc

How sure are we that his technique hasn’t been compromised by playing white ball ? His dismissal wouldn’t have happened in the IPl as the ball wouldn’t move for example (let alone he would have probably tried to tonk it

Aus aren’t formidable, two players just like India are the key.. Smith and Laubachange. Get them, game on
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 17, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
Think you've misread, he's agreeing with you that Shaw shouldn't have been selected?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 17, 2020, 02:57:16 PM
Think you've misread, he's agreeing with you that Shaw shouldn't have been selected?

I don’t know anyone better in Indian cricket tbh but, I was more looking at the use of IPL form as a guide to a test (or any red ball team) as a guide. 2020 is sooooo different in every way.

Pick him as he’s supposed to be a special talent but play him at 6 and build him up slowly
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 17, 2020, 03:17:28 PM
I don’t know anyone better in Indian cricket tbh but, I was more looking at the use of IPL form as a guide to a test (or any red ball team) as a guide. 2020 is sooooo different in every way.

Pick him as he’s supposed to be a special talent but play him at 6 and build him up slowly

Well, Gill did better in the warmup games and looks a more natural test opener than Shaw. Rahul has more experience and has scored runs in the past. That's two options off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on December 18, 2020, 06:19:35 AM
Labuschagne dropped by bumrah before lunch. Big moment in match
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 18, 2020, 06:59:26 AM
Labuschagne Dropped again by shaw - another simple one
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 18, 2020, 08:13:09 AM
Australia crumbling 79-5. Marnus the last hope
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on December 18, 2020, 08:16:54 AM
I love waking up to see the Aussies doing well!

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 18, 2020, 09:30:06 AM
111-6 Marnus lbw 47. India must be sensing big lead
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 18, 2020, 09:38:30 AM
111-7 Cummins duck
Paine dropped
If the Indians could catch Australia would been out for under 100
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: edge on December 18, 2020, 09:39:19 AM
I think  Aus will make 500 in their innings.
Lololol
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 18, 2020, 10:12:00 AM
Don’t think india mind Aus eating into a few overs tonight - saves them batting under lights

Some much needed runs for Paine
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 18, 2020, 10:57:04 AM
Australia all out 191, Paine stranded on 73. India get 53 run lead. If they match their first innings can’t see much hope for Australia
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 18, 2020, 11:01:30 AM
India have let Aus in this game through poor catching.
Probably paine’s most valuable innings as captain, pressure was on him with Wade selected as a specialist batsman

Can’t see the Indian openers surviving tonight
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 18, 2020, 11:07:30 AM
Shane Warne ‘maybe India should’ve opened with Umesh Yadav to protect Shaw’
If Shaw’s struggling how’s the tailender going to do better?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 18, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
As expected shaw doesn’t survive - really isn’t a test opener
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 18, 2020, 11:20:55 AM
Looks like the decision to pick shaw over Gill was a big error...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 18, 2020, 11:22:55 AM
Has the ICC rules on edge stamps changed? Seen it in the IPL too, shaw with a SG and Rahane with SS stamp
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 18, 2020, 11:32:08 AM
India 9-1 at close. Bumrah the night watchman and Agarwal survive. Lead is 62.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on December 18, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
250 a winning score?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: golders on December 18, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
Is this being shown on sky chaps? Completely passed me by!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jonny77 on December 18, 2020, 06:44:49 PM
BT sport mate
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on December 18, 2020, 08:08:50 PM
250 a winning score?
Aus gonna come back strong. India need 350-400 to stand a chance
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: golders on December 18, 2020, 08:09:29 PM
Ah bugger, thanks @jonny77
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Kulli on December 18, 2020, 08:21:36 PM
Aus gonna come back strong. India need 350-400 to stand a chance
Not a chance India get anywhere near 350, or that Oz would chase it down if they did.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 18, 2020, 09:43:53 PM
There’s plenty of turn and there was some variable bounce after just day 2. India will be delighted if they set Australia 250-300.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on December 19, 2020, 03:12:23 AM
Was anyone watching the live coverage? Do you recall if they showed slomo closeup replays of the ball that got smith? I couldn’t find any close ups on the highlights. Sometimes warne and co do detailed analysis and was wondering if anyone can recall when (if) this was done. Thank you.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on December 19, 2020, 04:43:17 AM
This is genuinely incredible. 19-6! Kohli gone.

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: nivaga on December 19, 2020, 05:15:57 AM
... now 26 for 8!  Is this a record in the making?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on December 19, 2020, 05:21:51 AM
Pretty average display by a much hyped batting lineup...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on December 19, 2020, 05:33:18 AM
36 all out and Shami broken.

Wow, wow, wow.

Australia are the best in the world at pushing home an advantage and killing off teams. Always have been!

India's lowest ever score, and the lowest score in 65 Years.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jamesisapayne on December 19, 2020, 05:55:51 AM
The Aussie attack is the best I can remember for a long time. They have 3 thoroughbred pace bowlers who don’t give you much at all. Pat Cummins is just so good, Hazelwood is supremely accurate with enough pace to trouble anyone and Starc is fantastic with the new ball and probably the best in the world at mopping up the tail.

Lyon is a world class spinner like Grahame Swann, someone who can hold an end up and go for 2 an over first up then bowl the wicket taking deliveries needed when the pitch starts wearing.

Cameron Green looks a real find, not seen much of him but if he stays fit, someone batting at 6 and bowling 140k+ is a massive bonus. That’s some lineup.

They’ve got the attack to take 20 wickets anywhere in the world on any surface I think
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on December 19, 2020, 06:14:37 AM
I agree, @jamesisapayne. Only New Zealand's attack comes close in my opinion, but they are missing a top spinner. Australia's attack is just so comprehensive... More about keeping them all fit than anything!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: InternalTraining on December 19, 2020, 06:26:34 AM
I just checked the score and what the heck just happened there?!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jamesisapayne on December 19, 2020, 06:33:38 AM
I agree, @jamesisapayne. Only New Zealand's attack comes close in my opinion, but they are missing a top spinner. Australia's attack is just so comprehensive... More about keeping them all fit than anything!

NZ have a decent attack for sure, Trent Boult is a magician and Southee is superb too but I’d take Cummins and Hazelwood over them every day of the week, they’ve got the extra pace to give you the hurry up on a flat surface but also the skills to move it around.

 Lockie Ferguson is rapid but looks more of a white ball player to me and has injury issues, I can’t see him staying fit for long enough at one time and Wagner is an effective bowler but seems a bit of a one trick pony, although his tactics seem to be working   

You’re dead right about the spinner, I may be well off the mark but it’s probably a result of nz being such a seam friendly country, you only have to look at the amount of green tops they prepare for tests to see how much more they value their seam/swing bowlers
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 19, 2020, 06:39:44 AM
Wow the Aussies did well there!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on December 19, 2020, 06:42:11 AM
@jamesisapayne I just feel so conflicted at enjoying an Australian feat. It's not natural!  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on December 19, 2020, 06:49:45 AM
Aus gonna come back strong. India need 350-400 to stand a chance
Knew Aus gonna come back stronger but this. Very very poor show by Ind.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jamesisapayne on December 19, 2020, 06:58:45 AM
@jamesisapayne I just feel so conflicted at enjoying an Australian feat. It's not natural!  :D
lol, I feel your pain!  :D

I have huge admiration for them, and really enjoy watching them bowl.

Don’t get me wrong, I really love it when we beat the Aussies, but on a slightly deeper angle, I’m a cricket fan first and England fan second. Genuinely don’t get it when people don’t rate a player because they play for a different country.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jamesisapayne on December 19, 2020, 07:00:04 AM
And that knock by Tim Paine in the first innings was crucial to Australia staying in this game (seems funny saying that now seeing the state of the game). It was a super knock under real pressure, a proper captain’s innings leading from the front.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on December 19, 2020, 07:27:55 AM
Paine's knock was key. Does anyone understand why Khawaja isn't liked? Surely he strengthens Australia's batting.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 19, 2020, 07:46:19 AM
Paine's knock was key. Does anyone understand why Khawaja isn't liked? Surely he strengthens Australia's batting.

Khawaja isn't going to replace Labuschagne or Smith so realistically he only opens and Warner has the spot for a leftie opener nailed down. Burns is younger and had been in decent form in Tests previously, Pucovski is the next big thing and Wade knows he's a stopgap opener.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on December 19, 2020, 08:29:36 AM
Rooty was right in classing India as good prep for the Ashes. Ah.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: six and out on December 19, 2020, 08:47:54 AM
And Kohli's now not available for the rest of the series.

You would expect this is going to be a slaughter.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 19, 2020, 09:23:40 AM
Indians could make a start by getting Gill in for Shaw and bringing in Rahul to replace Kohli. Not sure what else they could do at this point to address how dismal their batting was.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on December 19, 2020, 09:41:28 AM
If India had caught all those chances Australia would have been all out for double figures aswell! Most of them were regulation at Test level.

I really dont think theres much between these attacks. The fielding however is a different story
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: six and out on December 20, 2020, 04:30:38 PM
Shami now ruled out of the rest of the tour with a fractured forearm.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on December 22, 2020, 03:09:13 PM
So what changes do India need to make?

I think Gill in for Shaw...

Pant in for Saha

And obivously a seamer in place for the injured Shami
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on December 22, 2020, 03:37:54 PM
So what changes do India need to make?

I think Gill in for Shaw...

Pant in for Saha

And obivously a seamer in place for the injured Shami

Forgetting that they need to replace Kohli as well? 😂
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on December 22, 2020, 03:48:17 PM
Damn.. although They have Rahul in the wings for him  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on December 25, 2020, 11:59:32 PM
Burns is hopeless
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on December 26, 2020, 12:37:42 AM
Oh dear Wade. That was one of the most brainless bits of cricket ive seen during session 1 of a Test Match!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 26, 2020, 07:50:21 AM
Don’t see smith get a duck too often

Out or in
https://twitter.com/foxcricket/status/1342692571466747904?s=21
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on December 26, 2020, 08:27:26 AM
Have to say thats a fantastic display from india after the 2nd innings capitulation in Adelaide. I watched the first session and Bumrah and Ashwin were impeccable.

11ml of grass left on the pitch by the groundsman. For anyone who doesnt know that is longer than most UK groundsmen cut their square! They've had lots of criticism there recently for dull tracks so hes obviously trying a different approach to get some help for the bowlers. There wasnt much help for the quicks but did spin big for Ashwin and Jadeja
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: InternalTraining on December 26, 2020, 05:11:31 PM
^ Fantastic indeed! They took some good catches too.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on December 27, 2020, 03:30:33 PM
Yes great comeback by India, Melbourne is usually a shirt front so credit to the groundsman for making a sporting track.
Australia will have their hands full against Ashwin next innings
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on December 27, 2020, 03:38:02 PM
India will have to bat last on this track. Anything even close to a 100 target in 4th innings will be very difficult.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on December 27, 2020, 03:43:22 PM
Very true, Rahane is still there and 82 in front already. Key morning session-aren't they always?  :)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on December 27, 2020, 04:00:49 PM
India could really do with getting close to 400 and possibly not requiring to bat again. Aussie batting line up up is quite fragile but history over the last few years shows that Smith doesn’t miss out for 4 innings very often and Marnus is fairly consistent as well.

India have done very well given the last match and also missing arguably the worlds best player so a real chance for them to get back into the series with a lot of time left in this match.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 27, 2020, 09:56:17 PM
Seems like a series of drop catches. Aussies dropped 5 so far, india did the same in the first test.

Slightly disappointing from Lyon given the turn that was on offer
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on December 27, 2020, 10:22:21 PM
Definate turn today from highlights I just saw, excellent batting allround from Rahane.

India have Ashwin and Jadeja they will have a good lead to get men around the bat.

Indian selectors seem to have an odd relationship with Jadeja, I don't buy the bits and pieces description, brilliant fielder, spin away from the right hander and a more than useful bat. Add it all up and he's in my team every game.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 28, 2020, 07:28:42 AM
Looks like india are on course to win this, with another failure from smith.

Don’t think anyone would’ve given india a chance after the first match and kohli flying home
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on December 28, 2020, 08:54:54 AM
People wrote India off to a 4-0 series loss far too soon. This is a fantastic group of players who dont lose many. The 36 AO was a freak spell of cricket with a pink ball in a day night test match. They were the better side for a large proportion of that game.

Expect a strong performance at SCG next week aswell. Australia to win at the gabba.

Definate turn today from highlights I just saw, excellent batting allround from Rahane.

India have Ashwin and Jadeja they will have a good lead to get men around the bat.

Indian selectors seem to have an odd relationship with Jadeja, I don't buy the bits and pieces description, brilliant fielder, spin away from the right hander and a more than useful bat. Add it all up and he's in my team every game.

Always a close call between Jadeja and Ashwin on pitches not favourable to spin. Ashwin has provided better control on non turning pitches in the past. I would expect both to play in Sydney, only one in Brisbane
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on December 28, 2020, 09:04:17 PM
I thought India would get rolled again, they don't travel that well in recent years. They have been excellent in this game on a lively track unfamiliar to their batters, got to give them massive credit after the 36 ao.

It spins at Sydney normally Ashwin and Jadeja should do well..I'm not sure of a 2nd Aussie spinner after Lyon who is good enough that I've seen.

Ashwin is going to cause us a whole load of problems next summer, he is quality.

The Aussies may be cursing their groundsman, but another 400 plays 500 at the MCG is boring cricket.
Much rather see ball have the edge over bat for entertainment and skill level.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 29, 2020, 07:30:41 AM
Probably India’s greatest win away from home that after 36 all out.

Pressure on the Aussies after losing to a side without Kohli. Burns is a walking wicket and Warner still not fit.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on December 29, 2020, 09:25:34 AM
Probably India’s greatest win away from home that after 36 all out.

Pressure on the Aussies after losing to a side without Kohli. Burns is a walking wicket and Warner still not fit.

Yes could be, you wonder how long Smith will go without making a contribution but the SCG is renowned for spin and momentum with India.
Really a superb performance from the away team. Aussie press used to, not sure if they still do, pile in and don't hold back....adding to the pressure on the players.
This series just got very interesting
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on December 29, 2020, 11:44:37 AM
Competitive Test cricket is great to watch. All square going into the 3rd, which may or may not be in Sydney. If covid situation doesnt allow there is talk of the game being moved to Canberra.

Aus look to have big batting problems, they've been carried for a long time by Smith and then Labushagne. Now they aren't firing they are in trouble. The drop off in quality to the rest of the line up is marked

Fantastic debut by Siraj!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jaffa on December 29, 2020, 01:18:52 PM
One positive for Aus, Green looked very solid for them. In opening up, his first shot was taken by a fine catch. 
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: golders on December 29, 2020, 03:50:51 PM
Always great news to us Poms when the Aussies get smashed! :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on December 29, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Haddin and Mark Waugh were saying that the Indian team will not be able to recover from the 36 all out incident rest of the series. So much for the experts!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SurreySam on December 29, 2020, 04:43:41 PM
ICC fine Australia - https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/1958151 (https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/1958151)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on December 29, 2020, 04:53:54 PM
Haddin and Mark Waugh were saying that the Indian team will not be able to recover from the 36 all out incident rest of the series. So much for the experts!

Mark Waugh really is rock bottom in terms of commentators Ive heard. In a previous series he asked Isa Guha which country she supports. Her response after an awkward laugh was - the one I was born in and won the World Cup for. He was quiet for a while after that!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 29, 2020, 07:49:23 PM
Was otherwise engaged the last week or so. Asked my surgeon who won the first test, he said Australia and what I assumed was India scoring 360. Intact they got 36 mental.
Seems like a pretty epic comeback all things considered - no Kohli, Shami and Yadav also getting crocked.
Interesting to see Ashwin comprehensively out bowl Lyon, you don’t usually see the visiting spinner get much joy.

Looks like Warner, Pucovski and Henriques are pushing for selection.
‘Hitman’ Rohit Sharma seems like he’ll replace Agarwal. Saini to probably debut as well.

Love the SCG hoping it’s a cracker.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Alvaro on December 29, 2020, 07:55:58 PM
Highest scores in the last 2 AUS v IND Test series (6 Tests)
193  - Pujara
159* - Pant
123  - Kohli
123  - Pujara
112  - Rahane
106  - Pujara
82 - Kohli
81 - Jadeja
79 - Harris
77 - Agarwal
76 - Agarwal
74 - Kohli
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on December 29, 2020, 08:02:02 PM
After years of dominating bowlers with his unique set up and approach, Steve smith seems to have finally run into a bowling plan that has made life very difficult for him. Looking forward to seeing how he responds - seems a bit uncertain at the moment.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on December 29, 2020, 08:36:58 PM
Aussies better off preparing an absolute road and backing their bowlers to out bowl india on such a wicket. Their batsman also might get some runs on a flat track

Shaun marsh looks in good form, time for a 10th recall for him??  ;)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: FattusCattus on December 29, 2020, 08:46:25 PM
I'm a biased lefty, but I really think that Jadeja is one of the most underrated cricketers in current test cricket.

I think he is a better player than Leach, Shakib, Santner, Maharaj and possibly Lyon.

He bats, he's a sharp fielder and he's a very canny bowler. Most test teams would pick him in an instant.

I think India should pick 3 seamers plus Ashwin & Jadeja in any country
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SouthpawMark on December 29, 2020, 09:04:31 PM
I'm a biased lefty, but I really think that Jadeja is one of the most underrated cricketers in current test cricket.

I think he is a better player than Leach, Shakib, Santner, Maharaj and possibly Lyon.

He bats, he's a sharp fielder and he's a very canny bowler. Most test teams would pick him in an instant.

I think India should pick 3 seamers plus Ashwin & Jadeja in any country

Jadeja should be pretty much the first name on their team sheet. Vastly underrated bowler, and top notch batsman who can either grind it out or give it a wallop. Good fielder too. Possibly the best moustache in cricket, which also counts for a lot.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on December 29, 2020, 09:08:20 PM
Jadeja should be pretty much the first name on their team sheet. Vastly underrated bowler, and top notch batsman who can either grind it out or give it a wallop. Good fielder too. Possibly the best moustache in cricket, which also counts for a lot.

And try to do his  50 or 100 flashing blade celebration without breaking a wrist. He plays for me as an allrounder with Ashwin most of if not all the time.

I dont think the pitch character will change at the SCG, Ashwin and Jadeja will have the conditions.
The Aussies are in trouble.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 30, 2020, 08:09:29 AM
Joe Burns dropped, Will Pucovski closing in on debut.
SCG Test could be moved due to covid19
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SouthpawMark on December 30, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
Pucovski shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near international cricket. Someone in CA needs to put his ongoing health above the needs of the international side. You know full well that India will pepper him with short stuff, and I fear for him.

There’s probably an argument that he shouldn’t even be allowed to play shield/BBL given the horrendous number of concussions he’s already suffered.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on December 30, 2020, 05:15:25 PM
Jadeja should be pretty much the first name on their team sheet. Vastly underrated bowler, and top notch batsman who can either grind it out or give it a wallop. Good fielder too. Possibly the best moustache in cricket, which also counts for a lot.

I used to think he’s average, until I read the following stat- there is only one player in the history of the game to have scored more runs AND taken more wickets at a better average, than Jadeja... Imran Khan.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Manormanic on December 30, 2020, 06:26:50 PM
Jadeja should be pretty much the first name on their team sheet. Vastly underrated bowler, and top notch batsman who can either grind it out or give it a wallop. Good fielder too. Possibly the best moustache in cricket, which also counts for a lot.

He was a specialist batsman in his younger days, remember?

As a bowler, he's one of those useful types - he will rarely run through a side, but he will almost always hold up an end (and for long spells), going at a tight economy rate and picking up scalps - particularly because he bowls such a comparatively high percentage of balls that would actually hit the stumps. 
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on January 06, 2021, 01:33:54 PM
Two changes for India - Rohit Sharma replaces Agarwal at the top. Navdeep Saini replaces the injured Yadav. KL Rahul was also supposed to play but he injured himself.

David Warner replaces Joe Burns. Also looks like Will Pucovski will debut. Travis Head facing the axe.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: cricketbadger on January 06, 2021, 05:39:23 PM
I wouldn't call Jadeja under-rated. If anything at times I found him to be over rated. Granted his record over the last few years suggests he's a star. Think he rather got under my skin with his over zealous lbw appeals anytime he hit the pads
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 06, 2021, 06:05:01 PM
Looking forward to this test, thought it started today  :)

Pucovski is the guy who keeps getting hit on the head, it don't sound promising if that's your weakness. bhumra is quick enough to trouble most batsman.

Don't know if he's a puller or hooker or just tries to get out the way, you have to do one or the other very well otherwise the short stuff will keep coming.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SD on January 06, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
Has been an excellent series to watch so far.  Cricket in Australia can be a difficult watch at times.  Flat pitches and the Kookaburra ball don't give an adequate balance between bat and ball in my view.  The two pitches so far have been very good though.  Has made for some very enjoyable cricket
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on January 06, 2021, 11:49:51 PM
Best flat track bully of them all has seemingly lost his brain as well
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jlscarroll17 on January 07, 2021, 05:14:55 AM
Pant is by far one of the worst gloveman I’ve seen in international cricket
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 07, 2021, 05:35:42 AM
That's two pretty bad drops now, right?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 07, 2021, 07:45:12 AM
Aus best chance was preparing a flat one and giving their batsman a chance. Exactly what they’ve done.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on January 07, 2021, 04:29:32 PM
Seems pretty slow/flat wicket. Remains to be seen if it will start to offer anything for the bowlers in next few days
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: LBWCandidate on January 07, 2021, 06:40:07 PM
There should be little more for the bowlers at least in 1st session, otherwise, it becomes really boring.
We have ODIs and T20s to make bowlers' life miserable.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SD on January 07, 2021, 07:10:34 PM
Seems pretty slow/flat wicket. Remains to be seen if it will start to offer anything for the bowlers in next few days

I spoke too soon about the quality of the pitches.  This one is a dire surface for test match cricket.

I would support away teams automatically getting the toss in test cricket.  It would encourage home nations to prepare better balanced pitches and improve the game as a result
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: irrepressible on January 07, 2021, 08:08:47 PM
Yes this test pretty much was all about who won the toss really which is a shame and your idea would certainly help.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 07, 2021, 09:19:51 PM
Havnt seen any TV but a shortened days play so the pitch may be flat but Sydney normally spins at the back end.

I'd be surprised if the character of the wicket could be totally changed myself.

What would the Aussies be scared of preparing a pitch that dulls India's pace attack?

Times have certainly changed  :)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: LBWCandidate on January 07, 2021, 09:26:12 PM
Aussies are wary of the pace attack which hasn't played more than 20 tests.  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 08, 2021, 06:37:39 AM
That’s some collapse from aus from being 200-2 to 338ao on a road. Don’t think anyone was expecting that - just shows how brittle this aus line up is and again the importance of jadeja
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 08, 2021, 06:43:23 AM
That’s some collapse from aus from being 200-2 to 338ao on a road. Don’t think anyone was expecting that - just shows how brittle this aus line up is and again the importance of jadeja

Doesn’t really seem like a road.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 08, 2021, 06:52:50 AM
Doesn’t really seem like a road.

Still is a road - More the brittle aus batting
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: irrepressible on January 08, 2021, 09:33:18 AM
Yes some poor shot selection and gifting of wickets helped. Should really have scored 400+.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on January 08, 2021, 11:11:22 AM
Wade's decision making was particularly baffling.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 09, 2021, 03:52:50 AM
That’s some collapse from aus from being 200-2 to 338ao on a road. Don’t think anyone was expecting that - just shows how brittle this aus line up is and again the importance of jadeja

Can’t judge a first innings score till both sides have batted.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jlscarroll17 on January 09, 2021, 04:13:21 AM
Both sides have collapsed in the first innings when you look at things, be very interesting to see how things go in the 2nd innings
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 09, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
Haven't seen the highlights yet but 3 run outs is village
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on January 09, 2021, 08:58:18 AM
Aus is on top here. Most Indian Wickes were poor shots/decision.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 10, 2021, 11:41:14 AM
Some kind of racism drama?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on January 10, 2021, 11:52:26 AM
The reported 'abuse' was 'Welcome to Sydney, Siraj'
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 10, 2021, 03:18:08 PM
Second day in a row apparently.

I’m sure it would’ve been “normal” crowd behaviour last year. At least Langer has come out and criticised it - hopefully a cleanup across the world.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 10, 2021, 03:34:39 PM
Its nothing new, Moeen was regularly abused during the last Ashes down under. Stewards notified and they laughed along!

The simple fact is that Australians dont handle their beer well. They were fighting amongst themselves during 2nd day at Melbourne  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on January 11, 2021, 01:05:39 AM
Some utter stupidity coming out of the TMS team discussing concussion subs. So far compared concussion to a torn hamstring and asked why one gets a full substitution and the other doesn't. Then followed it up with "it's not about writing research papers" when discussing research into the impact of concussion and suggested that players "need to learn to duck".

Knowing what we do already about the long term impact of concussion I'm struggling to believe that they're playing it off for laughs.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 11, 2021, 01:09:37 AM
The reported 'abuse' was 'Welcome to Sydney, Siraj'

Highly doubt this version of the story.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 11, 2021, 03:13:23 AM
Poor Pant - 3 overs of relentless commentators curse
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: AK17 on January 11, 2021, 03:29:28 AM
The reported 'abuse' was 'Welcome to Sydney, Siraj'

Someone's calling him a brown dog at the 0:08 mark . I'm sure Siraj understands the difference between 'Welcome to Sydney, Siraj' and "Brown dog".
https://twitter.com/shetty10rithvik/status/1348271718947717120?s=21 (https://twitter.com/shetty10rithvik/status/1348271718947717120?s=21)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 11, 2021, 05:48:30 AM
Vihari is currently on 6 off 100 balls.
Block it.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 11, 2021, 06:12:08 AM
Pressure telling on the Aussies - looks like their back to their old antics, especially Wade. Probably his last test
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 11, 2021, 06:33:21 AM
Paine spills one after all the verbals - his 3rd of the day
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 11, 2021, 07:22:10 AM
This Indian side is superb. Just as I woke up and put the tv on it was a highlight reel of paines drops. Glorious

The bad news is India are now severely depleted and head to an Aussie stronghold next.

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 11, 2021, 07:27:28 AM
Good effort from India.

The Aussies prepared a road to help their struggling batsman and failed to beat a weakened 10 man team. Those costly drops of Pant in the first session probably cost them the game. Probably Paine’s last series as captain.

See the Aussies winning in Brisbane, given their record and India’s injury list
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on January 11, 2021, 07:48:47 AM
Paine's gobby tirade as well as his fine for dissent show that whoever is in charge that Australia's culture will never ever change...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SD on January 11, 2021, 08:36:47 AM
I only managed to stay up for the first two sessions but I was absorbing cricket and a great effort from India particularly given the number of injuries they are having to contend with.

For a man playing as a specialist captain, Paine isn't actually very good at captaincy
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 11, 2021, 08:44:34 AM
Paine's gobby tirade as well as his fine for dissent show that whoever is in charge that Australia's culture will never ever change...

Its all they know. They can put on a pretence for a short while but always revert to type
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 11, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Splendid fight shown by India
Vihari battled it out carrying an injury

And Pant - what a player. Wonder if theres a case for him to be playing just as a batsmen?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 11, 2021, 08:59:25 AM
Great effort again from India, but the Aussies shot themselves in the foot by taking the pace out of the wicket.
If you have the best pace attack in the world, arguably, why take any pace and carry out of the wicket.

India may be heading to an Aussie stronghold next match but they just need to draw to retain the trophy, their confidence will be pretty high after a win and a draw at Sydney.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: mad_abt_cricket on January 11, 2021, 09:10:00 AM
Some lethal reverse swing in the final few overs from Starc after quite a while. Some of the balls were nearly unplayable.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: thedon on January 11, 2021, 09:39:35 AM
https://youtu.be/165jZn35Gj4

Anybody know what smith is doing here?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: 19reading87 on January 11, 2021, 09:46:36 AM
https://youtu.be/165jZn35Gj4

Anybody know what smith is doing here?

Rubbing out Pants guard
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 11, 2021, 10:09:09 AM
Rubbing out Pants guard

Lyon did the same in the first test.

Both Smith and Lyon ended up marking a new guard.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 11, 2021, 10:20:58 AM
Fielding side has no reason to change the batting sides guard. they are not even batting again later.

Strange!

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 11, 2021, 10:37:46 AM
Once a cheat always a cheat.

Lets hope he doesnt cry in the press conference this time
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 11, 2021, 10:37:55 AM
Mind games lol
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 11, 2021, 10:46:45 AM
Mind games lol

Hmmm. I can't think of any reason he would do this other than to wipe out the batsmans guard.

Presuming that is what he has done its a bit more than mind games. It's borderline......

I'm not aware of any rule he may be sailing close to breaking but it's close to the line.

Smith must be thick, what I don't understand is there are cameras everywhere today, you can't get away with anything.

For someone who is on a second chance he's taking a risk with the rules being bent or manipulated
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 11, 2021, 10:50:20 AM
yeah dont think theres any ruling on it. but its not within the "spirit of the game" i guess.

does anyone know how many catches the aussies dropped in that last innings?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 11, 2021, 10:52:30 AM
3 catches dropped on day 5, Paine dropped pant twice and then another in the last session.

I’m sure Aussies will have an excuse for what smith was doing - “smith doing what he does, shadow batting because he loved batting”

You could argue it’s pitch tampering as he’s done batting
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 11, 2021, 10:54:17 AM
damn 3 on day 5
and any idea how many in total through the entire gae?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 11, 2021, 10:55:24 AM
Warne mentioned aus dropping 4 in the match and india 5

It has been a series of costly drops
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: edge on January 11, 2021, 11:01:43 AM
I'm not aware of any rule he may be sailing close to breaking but it's close to the line.
yeah dont think theres any ruling on it. but its not within the "spirit of the game" i guess.

If it isn't breaking law 41.12 then I don't know what is.
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Law 41.12.1: It is unfair to cause deliberate or avoidable damage to the pitch. A fielder will be deemed to be causing avoidable damage if either umpire considers that his/her presence on the pitch is without reasonable cause.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 11, 2021, 11:08:02 AM
batting marks, is it really causing damage to pitch? as its not on the "playing area" as such?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: edge on January 11, 2021, 11:14:02 AM
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Law 6.1 Area of pitch

The pitch is a rectangular area of the ground 22 yards/20.12 m in length and 10 ft/3.05 m in width.  It is bounded at either end by the bowling creases and on either side by imaginary lines, one each side of the imaginary line joining the centres of the two middle stumps, each parallel to it and 5 ft/1.52 m from it.  If the pitch is next to an artificial pitch which is closer than 5 ft/1.52 m from the middle stumps, the pitch on that side will extend only to the junction of the two surfaces.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 11, 2021, 11:14:34 AM
damn!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SD on January 11, 2021, 11:24:00 AM
Seemed to me that Smith was kicking dust into the areas where the ball would be expected to land but, in any event, the cease is part of the pitch and there is no good reason for him to be there
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: thedon on January 11, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
I thought maybe he could be getting rid of some jelly beans lol
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Warneymonster on January 11, 2021, 12:13:10 PM
this whole tour has been really spikey, can understand tensions are building because of all the quarantines and bubbles they have to be in but they werent exactly on friendly terms before.

Some of the aussie players behaviour was awful, Paine has done himself no favours, but i am sure both sides are guilty of it. Kohli isnt exactly a shrinking violet on the pitch so maybe not in the best place to criticize. Dont disagree with Paine on Ashwin though, he's a bell of the highest order.

If there was racist abuse by the fans thats appauling, and should be dealt with. The Gabba wont be much friendlier though i wouldnt imagine after the way this test has ended.

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 11, 2021, 02:03:27 PM
Ive just heard the stump mike conversation between paine and ashwin. Followed by smith telling ashwin to get ready for a broken rib.

That is the current and previous national captain. What a total embarrassment. They revert to type every time.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 11, 2021, 02:16:14 PM
I really don't see what the Aussies are getting so upset about. There's another game left in the series at one of their best grounds? These two teams really don't like each other, do they!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 11, 2021, 02:36:40 PM
I think the Australians were expecting a series win already , India have played pretty well so far, if you take out the freak 36 ao game, probably have played the better cricket.

The broken rib stuff, and broken arm(Clarke to Anderson) is pretty distasteful. sledging goes on and no team are angels, it's just a bit over the line.

One of their own had a serious injury he did not recover from.

RIP Phil Hughes.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: mo_town on January 11, 2021, 02:55:13 PM

Dont disagree with Paine on Ashwin though, he's a bell of the highest order.


Oh really? What is your opinion of him based on? The Buttler mankading incident? The verdict is still out on that one. Other than that, he hasnt ever had any run-ins with anyone. Paine chat behind the stumps was plain pathetic.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 11, 2021, 03:59:02 PM
Is that film crew still following them? I want to see the behind the scenes of this series!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on January 11, 2021, 04:16:37 PM
I am surprised how Smith got away with that. Based on the law as pointed here, it seems clearly a violation to mess with the pitch when he had no business to do so. I thought newlands was a one off, but after seeing this, don't have any sympathies for him..
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 11, 2021, 04:16:48 PM
There was plenty of rubbish chat from Pant behind the stumps too  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on January 11, 2021, 04:37:09 PM
Oh really? What is your opinion of him based on? The Buttler mankading incident? The verdict is still out on that one. Other than that, he hasnt ever had any run-ins with anyone. Paine chat behind the stumps was plain pathetic.

Agree, don't remember Ashwin having any past record of misbehavior. Certainly don't think mankading falls under negative behavior category even by slightest means..
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 11, 2021, 04:40:28 PM
I am surprised how Smith got away with that. Based on the law as pointed here, it seems clearly a violation to mess with the pitch when he had no business to do so. I thought newlands was a one off, but after seeing this, don't have any sympathies for him..

Home umpires and match referee. Boon was the match referee - no chance he’d react on it
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: mo_town on January 11, 2021, 04:59:01 PM
There was plenty of rubbish chat from Pant behind the stumps too  :D

Fair enough, but I dont think he called anyone a dickhead. Sometimes when you have been trumped and dont have a better come back, its better to just take it on the chin as a man. Calling someone a dickhead and saying noone likes him is just a loser's comeback.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: InternalTraining on January 11, 2021, 05:47:04 PM
This entire sledging business is retarded ! Before things get out of control, ICC/MCC need to step in and create strict guidelines against it.

They got bent out of shape over bat sizes but calling for bodily injury is perfectly acceptable?!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jamesisapayne on January 11, 2021, 06:42:12 PM
I genuinely thought the Aussies had moved on from Newlands and had started to play the game in a more NZ style approach - hard but fair.

Paine, Wade and Smith’s conduct in this match has proven that they’ve reverted to type pretty quickly.

Steve Smith didn’t do anything illegal by scratching the crease, but it’s shithousery of the highest order and has changed my view of him. I genuinely thought he’d changed since sandpaper gate but obviously not.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: t2ylo on January 11, 2021, 07:08:38 PM
Got to hand it to Australia it takes a  real effort to make the mighty all powerful Indian team look like the “plucky good guys” in a Test Series...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SD on January 11, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
The cricket has been of a very high order but the behaviour of the Australian players has been very poor and I haven't seen anything whilst watching to understand why the Australian players are swearing at the umpire, damaging the pitch and generally crossing well beyond the line with their verbal abuse and threats.  I know Kholi isn't going to win a popularity contest, but he was only around for one game which was the least competitive of the series.  Once he left, the Indian team seems to be a mix of solid experienced pros and young players covering the holes left by injuries, none of whom seem to be particularly objectionable.  Perhaps the full details aren't being reported in the UK, but it is hard to see why one team has resorted to this.   
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: potzy248 on January 11, 2021, 11:21:48 PM
After watching "The Test" I too thought Aussie were going down a new path under Langer and Paine. Sigh...same old Aussie.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 12, 2021, 06:55:04 AM
As expected Paine had claimed it was smith shadow batting.  “if he was then the Indian players would have kicked up a bit of a stink at the time” - made me laugh.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-australia-close-ranks-around-quite-upset-steven-smith-over-stump-cam-footage-1247555 (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-australia-close-ranks-around-quite-upset-steven-smith-over-stump-cam-footage-1247555)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: mo_town on January 12, 2021, 10:04:40 AM
Bumrah, Vihari and potentially Ashwin out for the last test. This could be possible the least experienced Indian test bowling lineup ever; Siraj,Saini,Shardul/Natarajan,Kuldeep.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on January 12, 2021, 01:33:40 PM
Bumrah, Vihari and potentially Ashwin out for the last test. This could be possible the least experienced Indian test bowling lineup ever; Siraj,Saini,Shardul/Natarajan,Kuldeep.

I'd love to see Natarajan given a go, think he's one of the most exciting I've watched in recent years.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 12, 2021, 02:26:12 PM
As expected Paine had claimed it was smith shadow batting.  “if he was then the Indian players would have kicked up a bit of a stink at the time” - made me laugh.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-australia-close-ranks-around-quite-upset-steven-smith-over-stump-cam-footage-1247555 (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-australia-close-ranks-around-quite-upset-steven-smith-over-stump-cam-footage-1247555)

Granted it looks dodgy. But in the video, pant just comes back and checks his guard - he doesn’t remark it. So if he doesn’t remark it, Smith obviously did not remove it.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on January 12, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Just checked the footage again from cricinfo, Pant does mark all stumps again.

Firstly, Smith scrubs off after shadow batting not before shadow batting. If one was really shadow batting, he would mark first then shadow bat, who would do the shadow batting first and then mark crease..
Secondly, marking in crease would be to mark a line, but Smith looks like he isn't marking a line but scrubbing out at multiple places as if to join/erase several markings
Third, Smith wasn't even shadow batting, he just comes, stands and takes a look, then rubs and leaves, so don't buy the the shadow batting coverup.
Lastly whether he was successful in erasing out marking or not is moot as he had only a couple seconds before batsmen got to crease so possible that whatever he attempted wasn't fully successful, the fact that something like that was even attempted itself is bad enough..


Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: bigblue365 on January 12, 2021, 07:09:23 PM
Being a right handed batsmen why is he shadow batting as left handed? :)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: frontfootdrive2 on January 13, 2021, 01:28:39 PM
Aussies just don`t get it,do they......After sandpapergate,surely just stfu and get on with the game,but no,how dare we criticise them for extreme gamemanship (at best),and i see holier than thou coach Langer criticising anyone being vocal about what they saw,beggars belief !
A few of their ex players piling into Michael Vaughan on twitter too after he voiced his doubts on Smith`s action,and they wonder why the cricket world dislikes them
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: pumakid on January 13, 2021, 02:24:47 PM
I don't get why he felt the need to personally. Imagine if it was the other way around and the batsmen went and marked his own run up out and moved the marker...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: edge on January 13, 2021, 02:28:26 PM
I know what I'd be doing at the first Aussie innings drinks break if I was Rishabh Pant...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SurreySam on January 13, 2021, 03:01:14 PM
I haven't watched these tests to gain a real perspective of how these incidents are now being played out in the media, but yes. It’s disappointing for Australia to have conducted themselves in the manner in which they did. Especially so, since the establishment strived to put the sandpaper incident behind them and move forwards to a new era.

However, let's not forget that historically, England are not exactly straight laced. We've had ball tampering episodes and only last year, Butler and Stokes were in the spot light and fined for poor sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 13, 2021, 04:56:40 PM
If you actually wanted to remove someone’s guard, wouldn’t you have to scratch the pitch horizontally (along the direction of the crease) to cross it off?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 13, 2021, 05:22:53 PM
If you actually wanted to remove someone’s guard, wouldn’t you have to scratch the pitch horizontally (along the direction of the crease) to cross it off?

There's a limit to what you can get away with I would think !  :) it's not sandpaper gate but Smith has absolutely no business interfering with an opposition batsmans guard.

Whether he was 'shadow batting' or doing it deliberately he was in an area he should not of been in.

As others have pointed out, the Aussies have previous for blatantly lying about what they are doing during a match.

We..England...have had our run ins with India but I can't recall another game I want India to win more than this next test.

Overall they have played the better cricket away from home-shame they have so many injuries for the last game.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 15, 2021, 05:53:57 AM
I know India are struggling with injuries, but Labuschagne is so, so good. What a talent he is, averaging 60 and with 5 hundreds in what, 18 tests? Impressive stats.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 15, 2021, 06:01:54 AM
Aussies 200-5 against a India A bowling line up, Wade throws it away again.

Going to need captain Paine to get some runs, probably his best chance to get a test match 100
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: irrepressible on January 15, 2021, 09:44:18 AM
Pitch looks like it is going to get tougher to bat on. India have let Aus off the hook a bit with Rahane dropping Labuschagne on 37.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on January 15, 2021, 10:20:58 AM
I know India are struggling with injuries, but Labuschagne is so, so good. What a talent he is, averaging 60 and with 5 hundreds in what, 18 tests? Impressive stats.

I love how much he loves cricket as well. Refreshing to see an Aussie cricketer who so openly just loves playing the game.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on January 15, 2021, 03:17:56 PM
Labuschange is a great batsman and superstar in the making, but in this series, he has been called the most lucky cricketer by the commentators with close to 10 drops I think. Ind have only themselves to blame dropping someone of his calibre so many times.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: mo_town on January 15, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Labuschange is a great batsman and superstar in the making, but in this series, he has been called the most lucky cricketer by the commentators with close to 10 drops I think. Ind have only themselves to blame dropping someone of his calibre so many times.
OF course. Cant blame the batsman if the opposition drops catches.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on January 15, 2021, 04:13:22 PM
Agree
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 17, 2021, 05:47:01 AM
Such an impressive fightback from India!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 17, 2021, 05:52:11 AM
Pressure telling on paine, dropped another.

With rain predicted for day’s 4 and 5, these two have done well getting india out of trouble. Could’ve easily been 200 all out
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jlscarroll17 on January 17, 2021, 06:05:14 AM
Don’t think Paine has too long left in him, normally he’s very tidy with the gloves looked rather sloppy as of late, who would then take over the captaincy and the gloves once he’s gone ?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 17, 2021, 06:15:52 AM
Phillipe looks a good prospect for the Aussies, in good form too.

They’ll have to give the captaincy back to smith. I think Wade is Vice captain but can’t see him lasting in this side either.

Lyon looks done too, averaging 58 this series. Been out bowled by a kid who hasn’t played a first class game since 2017
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: glutton on January 17, 2021, 10:38:44 AM
Phillipe does not even keep for his state, only in bbl. Nowhere near good enough for test cricket.

Air apparent is Carey but would not be surprised if Josh Inglis is the next long term keeper, especially if Paine holds out for another year or two. Inglis is a much better keeper than Carey (who is quite poor with the gloves) though not quite as good with the bat.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: cricketbadger on January 17, 2021, 02:03:11 PM
Not sure how Phillipe would get on in test cricket, very leg side dominant

Like the look of Inglis,  local Yorkshire lad too
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on January 17, 2021, 02:29:43 PM
Phillipe does not even keep for his state, only in bbl. Nowhere near good enough for test cricket.

Air apparent is Carey but would not be surprised if Josh Inglis is the next long term keeper, especially if Paine holds out for another year or two. Inglis is a much better keeper than Carey (who is quite poor with the gloves) though not quite as good with the bat.

If they follow the pattern of selecting Paine because of his keeping and alright batting, then Inglis would make sense. First class average of 32 isn't awful either.

Don't think Philippe will be Aussie keeper in any format but he looks a hell of a prospect with the bat in white ball, especially T20.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Manormanic on January 17, 2021, 02:48:24 PM
Phillipe does not even keep for his state, only in bbl. Nowhere near good enough for test cricket.

Air apparent is Carey but would not be surprised if Josh Inglis is the next long term keeper, especially if Paine holds out for another year or two. Inglis is a much better keeper than Carey (who is quite poor with the gloves) though not quite as good with the bat.

Bloody 'ell.  Renshaw, Whiteman, Inglis...there will soon be more Yorkshire lads in the Australian set up than the English one!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: glutton on January 17, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
Would be a strange situation for Inglis if it did happen, it's not as if he moved to Australia as a toddler. Wouldn't be surprised if he was still primarily an English supporter. A third, very outside chance for next keeper is Jimmy Pierson. More a batsman-keeper but his average doesn't really doesn't show that, however, he is a good leader.

Travis Head has been seen as future captain, but obviously has recently been dropped and not for the first time. Cummins as captain always comes up but don't think a bowler will be made captain. Will be an interesting few years as Australia may experience a bit of the drop off like we did in the late 00's - early 10's.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on January 17, 2021, 11:13:19 PM
Don't know about a drop off, they've got some very promising talents coming through. Marnus still has his best years ahead of him, Green looks like a genuine allrounder of real talent, Pucovski if he can stay fit, Jhye Richardson looks a serious bowler.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 18, 2021, 06:28:25 AM
Would be a strange situation for Inglis if it did happen, it's not as if he moved to Australia as a toddler. Wouldn't be surprised if he was still primarily an English supporter. A third, very outside chance for next keeper is Jimmy Pierson. More a batsman-keeper but his average doesn't really doesn't show that, however, he is a good leader.

Travis Head has been seen as future captain, but obviously has recently been dropped and not for the first time. Cummins as captain always comes up but don't think a bowler will be made captain. Will be an interesting few years as Australia may experience a bit of the drop off like we did in the late 00's - early 10's.

Id be interested to see what a drop-off from Tim Paine looks like!

I actually feel Head is a decent bat, and a better long term option than Wade. I was surprised when Aus retained the latter over the former.

Is there not an option to give Wade the Gloves and move him to 7?

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 18, 2021, 06:30:34 AM
Aussies set 327. Can’t see the Indian openers lasting too long in these conditions
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 19, 2021, 05:02:29 AM
One hell of a final session coming up.

145 to win for India, 7 wickets for Australia.

Come on India! I'd love them to win this series when half their team is ruled out.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2021, 05:04:32 AM
All 3 results possible going into the final session. What a knock by Gill

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 19, 2021, 05:34:54 AM
Shane Warne is beginning to become a highly irritating commentator. If Paine followed his advice, AUS would have already lost (by declaring at tea yesterday). Conveniently forgets this and continues to behave like a know-it-all
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2021, 06:36:51 AM
Runs leaking with the new ball - they’ve served up some half volleys.

69 needed from the final 15 overs
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 19, 2021, 06:38:56 AM
Shane Warne is beginning to become a highly irritating commentator. If Paine followed his advice, AUS would have already lost (by declaring at tea yesterday). Conveniently forgets this and continues to behave like a know-it-all

Why change the habit of a lifetime?

I love how he is still so openly bitter about Steve Waugh and slates him whilst sitting alongside Mark  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on January 19, 2021, 06:42:14 AM
This series is something else. Witnessed batsman running four runs. Haven't seen that since ancient times. Very interesting final hour now
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2021, 07:15:54 AM
This is some chase from India - doing it with ease now

The Gabba is supposed to be Australia’s fortress
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on January 19, 2021, 07:20:20 AM
Paine is so bad
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 19, 2021, 07:26:29 AM
This begs the question... is Rahane a better captain than Kohli ?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: golders on January 19, 2021, 07:36:51 AM
Come on India!! You’ve got this- from a loyal England fan
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: golders on January 19, 2021, 07:37:54 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2021, 07:40:20 AM
What a win from India. The Australia’s have lost a series to a second 11.

And to do it at the Gabba

Heads will roll in this side, can’t see Paine surviving. Embarrassing loss
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 19, 2021, 07:45:21 AM
India have been to better side overall but to do that with a depleted side it is remarkable.
Start scanning the record books for India's best away series win its got to be up there.

Expect heads to roll for the Australians as their press will go for them. Paine could survive only  as there is no viable alternative.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 19, 2021, 07:45:37 AM
Quite brilliant from India, what a performance away from home. 36 ao in the first test and every man and his dog writing them off. I said at the time they would come back but that was before the injuries

No other country could compete with that many first choice players unavailable, never mind win the series

Paines captaincy in those last 20 overs was absolutely village but credit must go to India

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2021, 07:48:01 AM
Paine’s “Can't wait for the Gabba Test." During the last test will haunt him. Priceless that
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 19, 2021, 07:50:54 AM
On another note - imagine winning a series like that and on the victory lap whoevers in charge at the gabba puts Ed Sheeran on through the PA. Jesus Christ!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: rickjames on January 19, 2021, 07:52:26 AM
Can we win at the Gabba now?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 19, 2021, 07:52:33 AM
To be fair to Paine, there wasn’t much he could do. Can’t take 10 wickets with Starc and Lyon both out of form. Absolutely tremendous effort from India - I suspect the real hero is Rahane... calm, and bold.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: edge on January 19, 2021, 07:53:16 AM
Wow, brilliant. Cracking series, and a serious achievement from Australia to make India look like the plucky underdogs.
Wade and Paine to go, surely - how Wade gets anywhere near an Australian test XI is beyond me, and Paine was brought back as specialist keeper/good bloke but now drops everything and swears at umpires. Pat Cummins captain?

Some blokes would resign and give Rahane the captaincy, but you suspect Kohli is not one of them haha.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on January 19, 2021, 07:56:12 AM
Thriller thriller thriller. NEVER WATCHED A TEST LIKE THIS.(stokes and Leach's parternership I didn't watch live). Aus captaincy was questionable not giving Cummin last overs.

Made few young Indian player's careers
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 19, 2021, 08:01:01 AM
To be fair to Paine, there wasn’t much he could do. Can’t take 10 wickets with Starc and Lyon both out of form. Absolutely tremendous effort from India - I suspect the real hero is Rahane... calm, and bold.

Paine did nothing. He didnt keep men up in the ring as catchers or on the fence as boundary protectors. He had men halfway back allowing 1s&2s everywhere and at least 5 miscued shots went aerial through standard mid off/mid wicket/point and got to the fielder one or 2 bounce.

India needed well over a run a ball and Aus had just taken the new ball. Poor captaincy in my book
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2021, 08:04:14 AM
India rubbing salt into Lyon’s wounds by presenting him with a signed shirt for his 100 test
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 19, 2021, 08:22:53 AM
India rubbing salt into Lyon’s wounds by presenting him with a signed shirt for his 100 test

It was a great gesture - you have a strange view of the world ;)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: More Glue Than Wood on January 19, 2021, 09:38:56 AM
watching the highlights now - amazing effort from india - love Pujara's bravery - loved him enough before for being an old faishoned test batsman - now even more!!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: golders on January 19, 2021, 09:42:40 AM
Anywhere to watch the highlights other than BT sport chaps?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: irrepressible on January 19, 2021, 10:18:23 AM
Anywhere to watch the highlights other than BT sport chaps?

For a short highlights package you could watch on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY6UyatwVTA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY6UyatwVTA)
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: i12breakfree on January 19, 2021, 12:28:54 PM
What a game....as during big tournaments they say a team peaked at the right time
This time everyone contributed in Team India....it was not one player's big innings
The morale for sure was high and players were in positive mindset
Pujara took so many blows but knew his job was to stay and not lose a wicket
Gill played superb and Pant finished the game like Ben Stokes did in 2019
For Australia - opening pair scored only in this innings otherwise it was all up to Marcus and Smith
And must be tiring for the bowlers to keep bowling short , trying to hit the crack till the very end of day 5

Amazing test series

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on January 19, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
Really impressed with Siraj, surely he's part of their first choice pace attack after his performances this series. Thakur looks a very decent all-rounder and Sundar seems like a great option to replace Jadeja going forward. Depth they have is just unbelievable.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 19, 2021, 12:45:50 PM
Bumrah and Shami pick themselves in my opinion but they definitely have alot of guys queueing up for 3rd and 4th choice seamers away from Asia. Will be interesting to see how they go this summer in England. Got tickets for 2 Tests so will look forward to seeing them up close

I guess you tend to form a bit of strength in depth when you have 1.3 billion people all mad about the same sport!

Just seen Ashwin giving Paine a bit on Twitter  :D

Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jimbo on January 19, 2021, 12:54:03 PM
I'd have Siraj ahead of Ishant, Yadav or Saini anyway. Natarajan probably only gets a look in if you're looking for the left arm variety.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 19, 2021, 02:12:36 PM
wow what a series

what a win

india did what most could never have predicted

just shows, what a good domestic setup + strong IPL + lots of A Tours can help you achieve!

could they go on and dominate like the great Aussie and Windies sides of old?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: Jeff Navarro on January 19, 2021, 02:35:37 PM
Wow what a mental series, unfortunately missed pretty much all of it - got bloody covid thought I was dying lol.
Looking at India’s reserves after years of only padding up their batting resources, the penny finally dropped that you need bowlers to be a dominant side.
Can you realistically imagine a side losing Ishant, Shami, Umesh, Bumrah, Ashwin and Jadeja and still staying in the contest.
This Siraj chap looks a top quality find, more remarkable that he stayed on the tour after his father died. Thakur looks a decent backup for Shami. Sundar is obviously the Ashwin clone.
All things being equal India’s bowling resources look pretty damn strong.
Aside from the Adelaide meltdown and some dodgy catching India most certainly dominated the series.
Australia pretty much put all their eggs on Smith, Marnus, Warner and Cummins. Think Starc is a massive hype job and should be ditched.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: InternalTraining on January 19, 2021, 02:53:28 PM
If a team has such depth, why not have a separate squad for just Test cricket; that will reduce the work load of the players and prolong their careers.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: InternalTraining on January 19, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
Whatever brand Shubman Gil uses, it's a great bat! No stickers, absolute cracking sound.

Anyone knows about that bat?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: frontfootdrive2 on January 19, 2021, 03:44:10 PM
"I've been absolutely belted by the Indians, but that's par for the course for this job."

T.Paine

What does he really expect?...the non existent level of self awareness shown by him and the Gnome of a coach is beyond ridicule

Well played India

Shubman may look good with an Ultimate,GN.......just sayin
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: irrepressible on January 19, 2021, 04:16:31 PM
Whatever brand Shubman Gil uses, it's a great bat! No stickers, absolute cracking sound.

Anyone knows about that bat?

Looks like his bat from earlier in series without the stickers on it which was endorsed by Yuvraj Singh's YouWeCan company. No idea who makes the bats though. Imagine SS or SG will snap him up.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: jayralh on January 19, 2021, 04:47:39 PM
Whatever brand Shubman Gil uses, it's a great bat! No stickers, absolute cracking sound.

Anyone knows about that bat?
It's SS. Yuvraj was using SS too
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 19, 2021, 04:52:31 PM
Looks like his bat from earlier in series without the stickers on it which was endorsed by Yuvraj Singh's YouWeCan company. No idea who makes the bats though. Imagine SS or SG will snap him up.

Only a matter of time before we see a “Shunbam Gille” sharpie edition
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 19, 2021, 04:54:55 PM
I wont be surprised if he goes to a non cricketing brand... MRF? CEAT?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: InternalTraining on January 19, 2021, 05:03:27 PM
Some blokes would resign and give Rahane the captaincy, but you suspect Kohli is not one of them haha.

That in effect would be a retirement for Kohli and he at least has another 3 years left in his career.

This India team has done such a great job, it'd be a shame to break them up.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 19, 2021, 05:10:53 PM
Nice little watch here - https://www.bcci.tv/videos/148380/exclusive-head-coach-ravi-shastri-addresses-the-team-in-the-gabba-dressing-room (https://www.bcci.tv/videos/148380/exclusive-head-coach-ravi-shastri-addresses-the-team-in-the-gabba-dressing-room)

Consecutive series wins in Australia cant have been done many times previously. Still astounded by this performance
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 19, 2021, 05:20:00 PM
Nice little watch here - https://www.bcci.tv/videos/148380/exclusive-head-coach-ravi-shastri-addresses-the-team-in-the-gabba-dressing-room (https://www.bcci.tv/videos/148380/exclusive-head-coach-ravi-shastri-addresses-the-team-in-the-gabba-dressing-room)

Consecutive series wins in Australia cant have been done many times previously. Still astounded by this performance

Too right - these are once in a life time moments!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 19, 2021, 08:30:44 PM
I have never, ever enjoyed a series win more as a neutral. Especially after Paine and co giving it the big one in the previous test  Hard luck you Aussies...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: More Glue Than Wood on January 19, 2021, 08:41:25 PM
Nice little watch here - https://www.bcci.tv/videos/148380/exclusive-head-coach-ravi-shastri-addresses-the-team-in-the-gabba-dressing-room (https://www.bcci.tv/videos/148380/exclusive-head-coach-ravi-shastri-addresses-the-team-in-the-gabba-dressing-room)

Consecutive series wins in Australia cant have been done many times previously. Still astounded by this performance

cracking video!
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: adb club cricketer on January 20, 2021, 01:20:14 AM
The lineup that India were able to assemble, eventually, for the decider of the Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2020/21, at Brisbane – Fortress Gabba/Gabbatoir/’Come to Gabba’ et al – was this:

1. Second away Test as an opener
2. Third Test
3. Ridiculed for intent
4. Stand-in captain
5. Recently-dropped opener
6. Ridiculed for mostly everything
7. Debutant, with no FC game in three years
8. 10-ball long Test career
9. Second Test - half of it riddled with injury
10. Third Test - on the back of racial abuse, on the back of losing his father
11. Debutant - potentially ninth-choice fast-bowling option

This against a full strength Aus team with three bowlers in top 10 test ranking with one at No. 1 ranking currently.

To put this in perspective, the last visiting XI to win a Test at the Gabba read thus:

Gordon Greenidge,
Desmond Haynes,
Richie Richardson,
Carl Hooper,
Viv Richards,
Gus Logie,
Jeff Dujon,
Malcolm Marshall,
Curtly Ambrose,
Courtney Walsh,
Patrick Patterson.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: SouthpawMark on January 20, 2021, 03:56:37 AM
It’s always enjoyable to see the arrogant Aussies brought down a peg or ten.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 20, 2021, 10:57:05 AM
Interesting to note Pakistan scored 450 chasinf 490 last time they were at the Gabba in 2016

I think the wicket there has surely slowed down?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: wasted_talent on January 20, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
Also, how would people compare this series win v

The Sri Lankan 2-0 test series win in 2019 v SA in SA?
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: ppccopener on January 20, 2021, 09:33:47 PM
If you take into account a disasterous first test, Kholi leaving the tour, Jadeja and Ashwin out for the last match, injuries and lack of experience of the team in the second half of the tour it's the best Indian win away from home in my memory and I've seen a lot of test matches  :)

To win away in Australia is up there as the hardest to achieve in world cricket, it's always special for us England fans to win in Oz(and hasn't happened that often) so it's the same for any team.

There are some holes in the Aussie batting line up but the bowling is strong, Indian have beaten a good team.

We drew the last Ashes series in England and I thought that was a good result, and we needed Stokes heroics to get that draw.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: billyb on January 21, 2021, 02:44:06 AM
I'd suggest that this has to be one of the best away series wins in Test Cricket, right?

Given the circumstances...
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: brokenbat on January 21, 2021, 03:43:54 AM
I'd suggest that this has to be one of the best away series wins in Test Cricket, right?

Given the circumstances...

That’s a tricky one. Certainly India’s best win in history. Is it the best in the history of the game across all teams? I would say no purely because of how close the two teams were ranked going into it. In terms of a real upset (based on mismatch of rankings), SL beating SA, 2-0, IN SA was probably a much bigger shock. I am sure there are plenty of others back in time - England beating India in India is perhaps another candidate... and am sure going back in time will yield more epic wins.
Either way, this one is right up there amongst the most epic.
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: alba caerulea on January 21, 2021, 07:41:41 AM
Considering this was closer to a team of Indian reserves than first choice players it was a hell of a beating.

36 all out takes some coming back from.

I saw some of that Sri Lanka/SA series and to be fair im pretty sure they had their leading two bats Chandimal and Matthews missing aswell. Couple of fantastic knocks from Perera and Mendis 

But India only had 2 players from the first Test that played all series! Bowled Aus out twice at the Gabba with a rookie attack
Title: Re: Australia vs India
Post by: six and out on January 21, 2021, 08:23:23 AM
The SL series win in SA was a far far bigger shock IMO.

They were the 1st ever Asian side to win a series in SA, the SA pace attack for that series was Steyn, Rababa, Philander, Olivier. And they had a full batting line up with everyone available.

Perera's 153 not out in the 1st test 2nd innings was an amazing knock to win the match.

India's win will go down in history no doubt due to winning at the Gabba with a 2nd string attack, but India's 2nd string  will always be quality and Australia's batting had been woeful barring Smith and Marnus.