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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: csnew on November 27, 2020, 04:02:59 PM
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SA look extremely weak in the first t20
Nortje not selected due to the quota and Miller out with covid.
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oh wow... that's weak as hell... ouch
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guess we know it's fill your boots time as an England batter then
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Well, they have started pretty well!
They need a decent score with our batting line up
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What about Jos opening with Roy instead of Bairstow.
You could well argue it's the best place to bat in a short game
Right move for England?
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"Bowling into the pitch." Where else are you going to bowl it?
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Ding dong Jos is gone
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What about Jos opening with Roy instead of Bairstow.
You could well argue it's the best place to bat in a short game
Right move for England?
I think they are interchangeable in this format, they all go hard. Even Stokes could open at a shove, had a ton recently opening for RR.
Big disappointment to me that Malan never nailed down a Test spot, plays some fantastic Cricket shots without slogging and certainly isnt worried by pace. On the last Ashes tour he was fantastic and looked at home at that level. Unfortunately the swinging Dukes did for him and he'll probably never play again
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"Bowling into the pitch." Where else are you going to bowl it?
England’s plan at the death seemed to be to avoid this anyway.
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With Roy failing, surely Banton has to be thinking he'll get a go before long...
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Ah, the obligatory Saffer choke
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Got to imagine they’d have won if Nortje had played...
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Class from Jonny tonight!
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Got to imagine they’d have won if Nortje had played...
Astonished they couldn't find a way to get him in after the IPL he had.
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Can’t help thinking JB plays his best when he may have a point to proven.
Does he think he should open? No idea a guess is he does.
Perhaps he needs a bit of firing up, whatever he played superb and credit where it’s due-he’s won us the game.
Maybe it’s just because he has red hair!
Well played
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Can’t help thinking JB plays his best when he may have a point to proven.
Does he think he should open? No idea a guess is he does.
You'd have to imagine, given his record opening for England and in franchise cricket, that he would feel a bit naked to be shoved down the order.
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You'd have to imagine, given his record opening for England and in franchise cricket, that he would feel a bit naked to be shoved down the order.
My thoughts exactly, in 50 and 20 over he's been very very good for a while now.
England don't know their best side Morgan said so himself....I don't get why Root is still around the team with the power hitters we have, Butler could really do damage up front...
Tricky.....Roy is destructive and used to opening...
The T20 WC is not that far away, like to see a settled opening pair for me. Malan is a shoe in for me-he's good short and long form.
I think Roy and Bairstow are our usual one and two, maybe Butler at 4.
Not easy picking an order when he have so many excellent batsmen
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Morgan at 6? Probably England’s best batsman and in some form over the last 2 years.
Wasted batting soo low
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You'd have to imagine, given his record opening for England and in franchise cricket, that he would feel a bit naked to be shoved down the order.
Did think it weird when he was dropped from the Sunrisers side during the IPL
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Did think it weird when he was dropped from the Sunrisers side during the IPL
Could just about understand that - they had five top overseas in Jonny, Warner, Kane, Holder and Rashid. Saha was the closest Indian replacement, given Warner was skipper.
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Can't believe SA didn't get Nortje into their side and as for bowling Klassen that over, that was just bizarre.
As for us, as long as they back Buttler opening then the top order gets compacted. I have said before that you need to look at where the WC is now, and Roy's record in India is not great, as shown yesterday, sides will just open with spin against him every game.
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Can't believe SA didn't get Nortje into their side and as for bowling Klassen that over, that was just bizarre.
As for us, as long as they back Buttler opening then the top order gets compacted. I have said before that you need to look at where the WC is now, and Roy's record in India is not great, as shown yesterday, sides will just open with spin against him every game.
That’s a good point and your right about that, teams could well be packed with spinners....maybe that’s why Root remains in the squad, he has proved spin does not hold any fears and can rotate the strike as good as anyone I’ve seen-he just does not have a power game-perhaps there is still room in Asian conditions.
Bairstow and Roy both look happier hitting against pace
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That’s a good point and your right about that, teams could well be packed with spinners....maybe that’s why Root remains in the squad, he has proved spin does not hold any fears and can rotate the strike as good as anyone I’ve seen-he just does not have a power game-perhaps there is still room in Asian conditions.
Bairstow and Roy both look happier hitting against pace
Root isn't in the squad
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Root isn't in the squad
You are correct got my squads slightly mixed- 50 over only for this tour :)
Don’t generally think he fits in T20 but we will have to play spin well to progress, you can see 3 spinners against us happening(in India)
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I'd say he would fit in most T20 sides. I think there's a misconception that he's not suited, as he doesn't clear the ropes as much as others. However, hes an intelligent player for me in T20 and his stats aren't bad at all.
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Williamson is of the same elk, accumulates his t20 runs at a very decent strike rate.
Root was one of our star performers at the last t20 WC wasn’t he?
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Williamson is of the same elk, accumulates his t20 runs at a very decent strike rate.
Root was one of our star performers at the last t20 WC wasn’t he?
Top run scorer I think.
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Heard Root interviewed and he def wants to get into the team/squad. I don't think England see the same way for him.
Williamson is a good comparison, not sure if he skippers in T20 which would have a bearing on selection, he's a very good captain.
We will def need good players of spin in the tournament.
Tricky batting line up for us at the moment, if Root is going to play it needs to be soon.
Personally I think he is a perfect 50 batsman as well as tests, his stats in 50 overs are impressive.
The tough call is who he would replace should England have a change of heart.
Roy
Butler
Bairstow
Malan
Morgan
Stokes
That's a strong top 6...
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Against a spin heavy attack, he replaces Roy potentially.
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Heard Root interviewed and he def wants to get into the team/squad. I don't think England see the same way for him.
Williamson is a good comparison, not sure if he skippers in T20 which would have a bearing on selection, he's a very good captain.
We will def need good players of spin in the tournament.
Tricky batting line up for us at the moment, if Root is going to play it needs to be soon.
Personally I think he is a perfect 50 batsman as well as tests, his stats in 50 overs are impressive.
The tough call is who he would replace should England have a change of heart.
Roy
Butler
Bairstow
Malan
Morgan
Stokes
That's a strong top 6...
I remember with Sunrisers was it last year maybe, Williamson started the season as skipper and scored plenty of runs until Warner came back from his ban for him to be dropped so Warner can play and skipper. If I remember rightly they managed to fit him back in later down the line. Those types of players definitely aren’t fancied in the IPL and the like because they would rather you score at a RR of 200 and score 18 than score 80 at a RR of 140, just for the excitement factor!
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I'm always surprised that the batting line up is so set and rigid. Can't they just judge the situation and move 3-7 around as is needed. I'd have Root around the squad - let's not forget his opening over in the final last time!
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I'm always surprised that the batting line up is so set and rigid. Can't they just judge the situation and move 3-7 around as is needed. I'd have Root around the squad - let's not forget his opening over in the final last time!
Not every batsmen can deal with this added uncertainty given their own rituals which also feed into performance.
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Let's be clear.. Root is not in the same league as Williamson (Smith or Kohli). To compare Root now to them is daft.
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Let's be clear.. Root is not in the same league as Williamson (Smith or Kohli). To compare Root now to them is daft.
In Tests, yes I'd agree. In ODI, Root deserves to be in the same league as Smith and Williamson, Kohli is on another level. In T20s, much the same, Smith Root and Williamson on a rough level, Kohli a class above.
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In Tests, yes I'd agree. In ODI, Root deserves to be in the same league as Smith and Williamson, Kohli is on another level. In T20s, much the same, Smith Root and Williamson on a rough level, Kohli a class above.
NZ don't have the depth of hitters that England do and T20 is about hitting. England have Bairstow, Roy, Buttler, Morgan, Stokes, Banton et all who are far better hitters. Leave Root to focus on Tests and ODI's and get his technique/mentality back to 50+ test avg levels and uncompromised by T20
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We'd be walking the T20 World Cup right now with this side
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NZ don't have the depth of hitters that England do and T20 is about hitting. England have Bairstow, Roy, Buttler, Morgan, Stokes, Banton et all who are far better hitters. Leave Root to focus on Tests and ODI's and get his technique/mentality back to 50+ test avg levels and uncompromised by T20
Imo it's not all about hitting, but we've got lots of them as you say. There will be times when wickets don't allow people to just tee off and what Root does well is rotates without getting bogged down.
I agree with leaving him to tests tho personally, but to say he can't or shouldn't play T20 as he's not a hitter is a touch misguided for me.
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Root wouldn’t be too bad on a turning track ;)
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Some dubious captaincy there from De Kock, never quite looked in control or that they had set plans to bowl to.
Also could have won the match with the Morgan chance that went above/through him, didnt look like he got off the ground. Would expect a half decent club keeper to take that!
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Root is up there with the best against spin, certainly our best.
Malan showing again how good he is, sawn off in the tests he's becoming invaluable in the short form.
We are a very good side at the moment, it's like a dream for those of us that were permanently sad during the 90's
:)
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This is a SA side bereft of alot of their best talent so im not pinning too much on these wins in the grand scheme of things.
I still think this England side has a way to go to get to the consistent levels of the 50 over side building up to the 2019 WC. Every player knew their roles perfectly and most were contenders for the best in the world in their position. I dont feel this about this 20 over side so far and definitely not clear favorites for the WC.
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This is a SA side bereft of alot of their best talent so im not pinning too much on these wins in the grand scheme of things.
I still think this England side has a way to go to get to the consistent levels of the 50 over side building up to the 2019 WC. Every player knew their roles perfectly and most were contenders for the best in the world in their position. I dont feel this about this 20 over side so far and definitely not clear favorites for the WC.
Totally right we are far from favourites in sub continent conditions. Aside from a test series win against India thanks to one if not the best innings I've seen from KP it's been our Achilles heel for years.
I do think we need to start thinking all the top 6 need to play spin well to progress.
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Surprised to see people writing odd Root. Certainly feel he has a role to play in tournament played in India. The like a of Kholi, Williamson and Babar Azam show that you don't need to be be a huge hitter to be successful
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Some dubious captaincy there from De Kock, never quite looked in control or that they had set plans to bowl to.
Also could have won the match with the Morgan chance that went above/through him, didnt look like he got off the ground. Would expect a half decent club keeper to take that!
Yep - its a game of small margins! England took all (?) their chances today and SA outright spilled (Rabada drop early on) or couldn't convert theirs (edges flying out of reach behind for 4, leading edges popping into no-man's land, de Kock glove tickle for 4, de Kock going wrong way a few balls later with an edge for 4 ...
Even the other night that Hendricks over was more a choke after he started with 5 wides and ended up bowling a 9 ball over than outright manufactured brilliance. Without that it would have been closer as well.
On paper England should be thrashing the SAFFAs so not all is right at the moment.
England will win the final T20 as SA does not have the fire power, but the result needs to show a marked improvement or there will be doubts about the trajectory of this T20 team looking towards next year ...
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Root gets in my T20 side every day of the week.
T20 seems a lot more chance based than other forms. Feels more like roulette to me, I must admit, but I hope we do well in the world cup!
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De Kock using SS now
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Yeh clocked that too, he’d been with GM a whole now as one of their marquee players.
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wow another big name signing for SS!
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Love you Stokesy
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Poor bowling - serving up half volleys
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Bit better from Roy but still not a success.
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Malan is so, so good. Just on another level. Bit of luck though I guess...
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He’s class...becoming a key member of this team. If we weren’t so packed with good one day players he’d walk into the 50 over side too.
Dropped way too soon in tests in my opinion
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Watching this and wondering how on earth it was that Vince made the WC squad ahead of Malan 18 months ago! He almost seems to being getting better. Have thought for a while that he might in with a shout of an Ashes squad place next year, if he keeps batting like this and backs it up with a good first class season then you wouldn't be surprised.
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Can't believe we're making this chase look like an absolute doddle, remarkable really
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Dawid Malan could walk on water. What a player!
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Can we get an F in the chat for Malan please.
That is brutal
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That is the worst bit of jug avoidance I have ever seen.
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That is the worst bit of jug avoidance I have ever seen.
He did that to prove a point to Morgan after what happened in New Zealand... team comes first
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Bit better from Roy but still not a success.
I'm assuming he will be the spare part in India. Root and either Ali or Crane for him and Tom Curran.
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I'm assuming he will be the spare part in India. Root and either Ali or Crane for him and Tom Curran.
Tough call he's been in the team for a while with good results. Don't generally like the horses for courses selection but in the shortest form of the game and presuming the wickets are what we expect....everyone needs a way to deal with spin.
An interesting, well to me anyway,point is during the WC held in England the ICC oversaw preparation of our pitches so Asian teams were not disadvantaged and the game would be more even-no home advantage.
T20 WC is obviously overseen by ICC again....is there the same instruction but now in reverse-so home advantage for India/Pakistan/Bangladesh etc does not count so much?. I have my doubts this will happen or even if it's possible to change the playing surfaces for one tournament.
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Tough call he's been in the team for a while with good results. Don't generally like the horses for courses selection but in the shortest form of the game and presuming the wickets are what we expect....everyone needs a way to deal with spin.
I'm not sure it's that harsh really, he hasn't been in great form for a while now and I'm sure we would all agree he has the fewest dimensions to his game of any of our top six options. In ODIs, his struggles to get going against spin aren't too much of an issue - he can burn overs 1 and 3 and still have catch up time, but in T20 he gets antsy after a few dots. Add to that, golden balls doesn't have the same smarts as Jonny so does nothing to take the pressure off him.
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Odi postponed to Sunday due to covid
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Match abandoned due to 2 positive COVID19 tests being returned by two England touring party members.
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Hotel staff this time wasn’t it?
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Hotel staff this time wasn’t it?
Contrasting stories from a couple of places, most upto date is hotel staff I think.
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I think both are correct. Two hotel staff tested positive leading to the teams having an extra test Saturday night, two unconfirmed positive results were then returned by English party members.
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Who ever it was, the SA bio-secure bubble has been an absolute shambles really.
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Who ever it was, the SA bio-secure bubble has been an absolute shambles really.
This has to be the concern for any way series that we have planned for the foreseeable future. I have no doubt that life must have been fairly difficult this summer for those in the bubble in England, particularly those who aren't taking home the same sort of money as the players. But is was necessary to allow international cricket to resume in England. When touring, you have to be able to trust the host nation to take simairly robust measures
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This has to be the concern for any way series that we have planned for the foreseeable future. I have no doubt that life must have been fairly difficult this summer for those in the bubble in England, particularly those who aren't taking home the same sort of money as the players. But is was necessary to allow international cricket to resume in England. When touring, you have to be able to trust the host nation to take simairly robust measures
This..
Away tours need to be much better. I’m sure the professional well paid pros want their freedom to roam but they are paid handsomely so spending a few months while we have Covid seems a small price to pay for a well paid career.
Hotel staff able to leave (or anyone really) makes a mockery of a bubble. But like the UK’s ‘lockdown’ really.. absolute joke really
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This has to be the concern for any way series that we have planned for the foreseeable future. I have no doubt that life must have been fairly difficult this summer for those in the bubble in England, particularly those who aren't taking home the same sort of money as the players. But is was necessary to allow international cricket to resume in England. When touring, you have to be able to trust the host nation to take simairly robust measures
Yes totally, dont know about anyone else but I'm expecting this tour to be called off pretty soon and the players come home.
Over here even those on here who dislike the ECB would have to say it was done very strictly and a substantial amount of money was spent ensuring safety of the players...there was one breach which was rectified pretty quick so it could continue.
Morgan has been quoted as saying these bubbles are not sustainable and regardless how much these blokes are paid its not going to work long term.
the problem with this tour is if its abandoned it could have repercussions for future tours this winter to SL and India..
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Yes totally, dont know about anyone else but I'm expecting this tour to be called off pretty soon and the players come home.
Over here even those on here who dislike the ECB would have to say it was done very strictly and a substantial amount of money was spent ensuring safety of the players...there was one breach which was rectified pretty quick so it could continue.
Morgan has been quoted as saying these bubbles are not sustainable and regardless how much these blokes are paid its not going to work long term.
the problem with this tour is if its abandoned it could have repercussions for future tours this winter to SL and India..
ECB did well, can’t fault them really.
Bubbles are possible for another 12-24 months but players need to choose to take time off.. aka, not go from England duty, to county duty, to BBL to IPL Etc Etc
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But your bubble is only ever going to be as good as the starting point and if I recall correctly one of the team had tested positive on arrival in SA?
With this virus lots off people end up being asymptomatic and tests can give false negatives, apparently especially if asymptomatic ... so it's well possible there are other players who have had it inside the bible and flown under the radar as well.
Assuming this may be the case, then the question to be asked must surely be "so what"?
IMHO keep doing your best to pretext and keep on playing because the data informing decisions is likely imperfect anyway!
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But your bubble is only ever going to be as good as the starting point and if I recall correctly one of the team had tested positive on arrival in SA?
With this virus lots off people end up being asymptomatic and tests can give false negatives, apparently especially if asymptomatic ... so it's well possible there are other players who have had it inside the bible and flown under the radar as well.
Assuming this may be the case, then the question to be asked must surely be "so what"?
IMHO keep doing your best to pretext and keep on playing because the data informing decisions is likely imperfect anyway!
Games can be played at other times though, it’s not worth the risk. 12-24 months is a short time really
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Least both sides have done better than Pak who arrived in NZ with covid positive players - then proceeded to flaunt covid quarantine and head to restaurants. Very lucky they weren’t kicked out of NZ
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Monday’s game is off too, completely off from what I’ve read so even if things get sorted there will only be 2 matches now not 3. Although that would be 2 more games than I’m expecting to actually happen.
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Surprised they've cancelled games over a single positive SA player and then two hotel staff testing positive - it's a very different approach to other sports where things have carried on with individual cases isolating or being removed from the tour/bubble/etc. If one positive test potentially cancels a whole tour then spending a million quid (as the ECB apparently have done) on a tour is a massive gamble!
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Surprised they've cancelled games over a single positive SA player and then two hotel staff testing positive - it's a very different approach to other sports where things have carried on with individual cases isolating or being removed from the tour/bubble/etc. If one positive test potentially cancels a whole tour then spending a million quid (as the ECB apparently have done) on a tour is a massive gamble!
... to add. I understand the 2x hotel staff was the trigger point for the players to be tested which then yielded 2x positive players and consequent cancellation of the ODI. Whether they were infected by those hotel staff or AN Other we will never know :-(
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Well it started with 2 SA players testing positive before it all started, then another player/2 members of hotel staff and now also 2 members of the England party have tested positive but they suspect they could be inaccurate results. And I think that is the key point, the uncertainty over the results. If they don’t feel confident with what the tests are coming back with then they can’t continue.
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And they’re clearly concerned with how this has happened when they’re meant to be in a tight biosecure bubble. They need to find out where the ‘holes’ are in this bubble.
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Haven't the players been allowed more freedom in this bubble compared with the IPL and English summer?
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They’ve been allowed on the golf course over the road.
Sky reporting the tour is off, waiting on confirmation.
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Always going to be cancelled unfortunately but players safety is paramount.
the SL tour....I can only see a neutral venue with a hotel there or very near happening..can’t see much else
RSA board look like taking a big hit money wise when it gets confirmed.
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Always going to be cancelled unfortunately but players safety is paramount.
the SL tour....I can only see a neutral venue with a hotel there or very near happening..can’t see much else
RSA board look like taking a big hit money wise when it gets confirmed.
It is a real shame if, as it appears to be the case, the tour will be cancelled because the SA Board didn't put in place the necessary measures to ensure the safety of the players. Hopefully it is a wake up call to other Boards that this needs to be done properly so we don't have any other tours falling apart in this way
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It is a real shame if, as it appears to be the case, the tour will be cancelled because the SA Board didn't put in place the necessary measures to ensure the safety of the players. Hopefully it is a wake up call to other Boards that this needs to be done properly so we don't have any other tours falling apart in this way
Absolutely it is a shame. Beautiful grounds and facilities and we are good to watch , not sure how strong SA would of been.
The ECB got everything right and the hoo ha over archer breaching the bubble was safety and massive money invested in doing it.
Dunno what anyone else thinks but I would question whether the environment needed can actually be done in many countries.
Sri Lanka? Hope I’m wrong just cannot see us touring there now...unless it’s in the UAE maybe...I dunno this tour will have repercussions I think for future ones
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Tour has been postponed.
https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/1929792/remainder-of-england-and-south-africa-odi-series-postponed (https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/1929792/remainder-of-england-and-south-africa-odi-series-postponed)
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Phew! No more " bowling into the pitch" until next year.
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Phew! No more " bowling into the pitch" until next year.
I’m not really sure what the issue is with this terminology? It is pretty evident what is meant by it.
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I’m not really sure what the issue is with this terminology? It is pretty evident what is meant by it.
All bowling is into the pitch. Unless it's a full toss.
It's more a case of me generally finding modern commentary a bit much, I think.
But there were some funny ones in the olden days too. "Hitting it on the up" used to be heard a lot. A batsman is always hitting it on the up. When would he ever be hitting it on the down? (Thanks to Graeme Fowler for highlighting this.)
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I wouldn't rule out some on here hitting the ball on the down.. The forum seems a broad church of standard. :-)
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I wouldn't rule out some on here hitting the ball on the down in.. The forum seems a broad church of standard. :-)
Yes, unfortunately I've seen - and probably done - it in games in which I've played. But TV and radio commentary teams were unlikely to have been present. ;)
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Now I think of it, I've also seen some pretty extreme examples of bowling into the pitch. Not to mention bowling into an adjacent pitch.
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But there were some funny ones in the olden days too. "Hitting it on the up" used to be heard a lot. A batsman is always hitting it on the up. When would he ever be hitting it on the down? (Thanks to Graeme Fowler for highlighting this.)
Isn't 'hitting on the up' supposed to be in relation to the arc of the bat, not trajectory of the ball.
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Isn't 'hitting on the up' supposed to be in relation to the arc of the bat, not trajectory of the ball.
Don't think so.
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Isn't 'hitting on the up' supposed to be in relation to the arc of the bat, not trajectory of the ball.
I always thought that too.. aka, not waiting for it properly and so hitting it on the up.
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I always thought that too.. aka, not waiting for it properly and so hitting it on the up.
But then all 'hit on the up' shots would go in the air?
I'm sure it's not that, and Graeme Fowler was in the game a long time! I think the expression was generally used by commentators to describe a flamboyant shot where batsman treats a bouncing, good-length ball as if it were a half-volley.
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There was no Covid!