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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: 123* on February 27, 2021, 08:54:27 PM
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Anyone been to visit him?
Thoughts?
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Yes. He’s based not too far from me. I have spent around 20 hours with him over the last couple of years.
The technique he gets you playing is an interesting one. It certainly opens up the on-side a lot more, and you will end up nailing the ball straight down the ground. However, anything through the off side is a bit more difficult, mainly because there’s such a huge movement required to get in to position so you’re not just throwing your hands at the ball and hoping for the best.
One thing I really noticed (and suffered with badly last season) is that my left shoulder (I’m left handed) was opening up really early, and I totally lost the ability to play down the correct line. The net result being that I got bowled 5 matches in a row, each time playing inside the ball, when I usually get bowled no more than 1-2 times per season. I’m going to go back to my old technique this coming season, and see what happens. I like the idea of being a bit more open, but what he teaches is an extreme version of it.
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So, he's not teaching correct technique!
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At the risk of going all Ravi Ashwin, who defines what a correct technique is?
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What's the point coaching a let hander to open up his stance while left handers main scoring shots are on the off side!
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What's the point coaching a let hander to open up his stance while left handers main scoring shots are on the off side!
Surely that depends on what is being bowled to said left hander.
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I started being very open stanced myself, thinking the same, nailing on side but converted to much straighter, still a bit open, these days, with more comfort and confidence to be able to react to any kind of delivery, more importantly playing straight.
I'm right handed.
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At the risk of going all Ravi Ashwin, who defines what a correct technique is?
Me? 😂😂
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What's the point coaching a let hander to open up his stance while left handers main scoring shots are on the off side!
Ever seen Graeme Smith bat?
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Knew you were going to give international players example, but they're superior sportsmen, we're not 🙂
Have you seen Asif Iqbal batting? 🙂
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Knew you were going to give international players example, but they're superior sportsmen, we're not 🙂
Have you seen Asif Iqbal batting? 🙂
Ok, have you seen Brian who plays for our 5ths?
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Don't think you're getting the point kulli
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Indeed what exactly is your point. And what is the evidence to back it up?
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Exactly, you'll not get it
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Exactly, you'll not get it
You wouldn't know my argument, she goes to a different school 🤣
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I already said what I think and then he keep asking for an argument🤔
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I already said what I think and then he keep asking for an argument🤔
Surely you don't think professional left handed batsmen are the only lefties who can benefit from opening up their stance?
I've played against plenty of block or biff merchants who were left handed, one of who is routinely up the top of the league run scorers lists. He stands very open - nudges on the off side, blocks anything on off stump, anything straight or legside he hits out. Simple but effective.
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Gary Palmer doesn't exactly exclude off-side play; in my experience, his technique makes it easier to leave the risky off-side deliveries.
I have used his technique to score good amount of runs. I was always weak in the covers regions but can score elsewhere.
Even if his technique makes you predominantly on/leg-side batsmen, why is it so bad? Over the generations, batting technique has become off-side dominant. And, guess where fielding captains place majority of their fielders: the off-side.
Like I said, for me, his technique works well. He teaches how to score runs. I have better than ok against decent club bowling.
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I've played against plenty of block or biff merchants who were left handed, one of who is routinely up the top of the league run scorers lists. He stands very open - nudges on the off side, blocks anything on off stump, anything straight or legside he hits out. Simple but effective.
I think at the club cricket level, such an approach is perfectly fine. As long as you are scoring runs consistently, does it matter how stylishly you score them?
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I think at the club cricket level, such an approach is perfectly fine. As long as you are scoring runs consistently, does it matter how stylishly you score them?
Exactly,
It's always good to be able to play all around the wicket, but mostly batters more one than other, nothing wrong with it, as long one knows his limitations and adjust accordingly.
It's also about what level you play and it's all about what works for you.
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What's the resemblance between Graeme Smith and a 5th XI player!
If he's that good, put him in 1st team then! They'll benefit more than 5th, innit.
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You think you're funny,
You need to see a doc.!
no i don't think i'm funny, i do however worry about your mental sanity as you post rather strangely - that or your just a troll - but i've just found the ignore list option - so problem solved! :D
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What's the resemblance between Graeme Smith and a 5th XI player!
If he's that good, put him in 1st team then! They'll benefit more than 5th, innit.
But as you've said earlier, know your limitations and there's nothing wrong with that. Some players are useful run scorers at low levels and would be exposed playing any higher, doesn't mean they aren't important to the club!
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Weighing up going to see him. It’s quite a considerable drive and I assume a decent amount of money. Would people recommend it?
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But as you've said earlier, know your limitations and there's nothing wrong with that. Some players are useful run scorers at low levels and would be exposed playing any higher, doesn't mean they aren't important to the club!
I didn't say they're not important to a club, but no need to jump from GS to a cricket 5 team player, to prove own point!
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Personal coaching is alway a good way to go forward, there's always room for improvement.
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AJ2014 got me reaching for the popcorn tonight.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zXNwTHqM/C935610-E-AE93-4-C16-A1-F1-1-CDC450078-F8.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I didn't say they're not important to a club, but no need to jump from GS to a cricket 5 team player, to prove own point!
I think he was countering your claim that Smith was a poor example of a left handed, legside dominant batsman purely because he's an elite professional?
As has been said, it is not true that all successful left handers score the majority of their runs on the offside, as you claimed.
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Weighing up going to see him. It’s quite a considerable drive and I assume a decent amount of money. Would people recommend it?
He's widely regarded as one of the best batting coaches in the country. I really don't see how you can go wrong! Let us know what it is like if you go!
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It’s a 3 hour trip each way for me and I’ve been twice
It’s definitely a different technique as he emphasises the straight drive as the basis for the technique
Makes off drive and on drive easy so gets you more balanced, cover drive does take getting used to afterwards but do able
Defiantly worth going as you have not got to stick with the whole technique but do as with anytime take what works for you and adapt it as I did
I’m still open but I don’t turn body for cover drive and use hands, I know in my batting if I’m hitting straight well I’m in a good place so gives me confidence to play other shots so his method worked well, plus he played with my hero Viv so was a good chat
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AJ2014 got me reaching for the popcorn tonight.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zXNwTHqM/C935610-E-AE93-4-C16-A1-F1-1-CDC450078-F8.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Appreciate it
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As has been said, it is not true that all successful left handers score the majority of their runs on the offside, as you claimed.
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No, I didn't claim that, most left handers will punish anything on the mid to leg stumps!
What I think is, asking left handers to take a very open stance will make batter play across the line, and it will make more difficult to control offside shots.
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The technique he gets you playing is an interesting one. It certainly opens up the on-side a lot more, and you will end up nailing the ball straight down the ground. However, anything through the off side is a bit more difficult, mainly because there’s such a huge movement required to get in to position so you’re not just throwing your hands at the ball and hoping for the best.
One thing I really noticed (and suffered with badly last season) is that my left shoulder (I’m left handed) was opening up really early, and I totally lost the ability to play down the correct line. The net result being that I got bowled 5 matches in a row, each time playing inside the ball, when I usually get bowled no more than 1-2 times per season. I’m going to go back to my old technique this coming season, and see what happens. I like the idea of being a bit more open, but what he teaches is an extreme version of it.
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This is the whole point, read it again.
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As an off spinner I determine as quickly as possible how punishing a left handed batsman is on his middle-leg! There onwards I'll try my best to stay outside the off stumps.
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If people are getting bowled or unable to play on the off side, it has nothing to do with Gary Palmer. He teaches a pretty solid method, and something has gone wrong with how you’re implementing his method if you are encountering these issues.
Just one example- the open stance is only the initial setup. You’re still supposed to lead with the front shoulder when hitting on the off side - this is how Steve smith and Williamson are able to easily access the off side, despite starting off open. And getting bowled should be out of the question- the whole point of his stance is to easily play the full straight ball...if you’re getting bowled you’re making a huge error that has very likely NOT been taught by Palmer.
If I had to offer a wild guess, it would be that most likely, these problems are occurring because: 1- your right hip is coming through too early (causing you to slice across the line of the ball) and/or 2- you are staying rigid and overly committed to his starting position. By this I mean, that you’re set up to deal with the full straight ball, but when the line is outside off, you’re keeping your shoulders pointing to the leg side instead of leading with the front shoulder to the new line of the ball.... and 3- you might be playing waaaay too early and lunging at the ball instead of playing the ball under your eyes. This last point might be partially Gary Palmers fault as he does do a lot of bowling machine drills, and if you aren’t careful, hitting too much against the machine can begin to encourage the bad habit of playing too early and your contact points can drift further and further in front of you (instead of right under your eyes).
It’s almost certainly not Gary - it’s you.. :)
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^ Excellent post! Dipping your left shoulder (for a right handed batsman) is the key.
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If people are getting bowled or unable to play on the off side, it has nothing to do with Gary Palmer. He teaches a pretty solid method, and something has gone wrong with how you’re implementing his method if you are encountering these issues.
Just one example- the open stance is only the initial setup. You’re still supposed to lead with the front shoulder when hitting on the off side - this is how Steve smith and Williamson are able to easily access the off side, despite starting off open. And getting bowled should be out of the question- the whole point of his stance is to easily play the full straight ball...if you’re getting bowled you’re making a huge error that has very likely NOT been taught by Palmer.
If I had to offer a wild guess, it would be that most likely, these problems are occurring because: 1- your right hip is coming through too early (causing you to slice across the line of the ball) and/or 2- you are staying rigid and overly committed to his starting position. By this I mean, that you’re set up to deal with the full straight ball, but when the line is outside off, you’re keeping your shoulders pointing to the leg side instead of leading with the front shoulder to the new line of the ball.... and 3- you might be playing waaaay too early and lunging at the ball instead of playing the ball under your eyes. This last point might be partially Gary Palmers fault as he does do a lot of bowling machine drills, and if you aren’t careful, hitting too much against the machine can begin to encourage the bad habit of playing too early and your contact points can drift further and further in front of you (instead of right under your eyes).
It’s almost certainly not Gary - it’s you.. :)
You only forgot Southpawmark is a left handed batsman.
Don't matter who the coach is, telling a left handed batters to adopt a wide open stance is not got at all.
Especially if they'd playing at high level!
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I would like to clarify that at no point did I blame Gary Palmer for playing down the wrong line or getting bowled. I merely stated that the technique accentuated the opening up of my shoulders.
It was more than likely down to muscle memory... you deliberately make the change, your body starts to get used to it, but you are still consciously trying to get in to the prime position, and then you end up going too far. Gary would have likely spotted this immediately and rectified it.
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You only forgot Southpawmark is a left handed batsman.
Don't matter who the coach is, telling a left handed batters to adopt a wide open stance is not got at all.
Especially if they'd playing at high level!
David Warner: https://youtu.be/n8QOhGrZkEw
Graeme Smith: https://youtu.be/8bySE4qDCJ8
Brian Lara: https://youtu.be/bbZdkBLYcak
Andrew Strauss: https://youtu.be/hgG_cr_fFWs
All slightly (to more pronounced) open on release. The reason is that whether you’re left handed or right handed, you still need to be able to access the full straight ball. For lefties in particular, there is a greater threat, from RH bowlers swinging it back into their pads or from going round the wicket. All well and good to be smashing cover drives, but if you’re not set up to play the straight/on-drive, you’re a walking wicket. This is why The slightly open stance and alignment to mid on is a very non-controversial, and very standard set up. Not sure why you’ve started a war against it.
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I’m sure he coached cook and he score a few with more open stance
It’s about being comfortable at the crease, what ever gets you in the best position to access the ball with full face. Doesn’t matter if open/closed we are all different and as we have seen at top level it’s about position when you hit the thing not where you start
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Access to the ball most people close themselves off with the front dog so have to cut down on the ball leg side.
Battling alignment is key and that is what is being taught
Access to the ball is key his method allows better access but it will take time as others have said muscle memory is key as this method he shows will result in being bowled more or missing out on the off side a touch more if your lazy footing(planting)as I call it.
Open stance for me slightly makes me play later and stops the front foot creeping across into a planted front foot
Then put your front leg slightly backward (ie open) you can access the ball and play with a straight bat not a chop down.
it about not limiting your access to the ball if your front foot goes across you can't access the ball unless it a chop.
I talk to myself in a innings and it always about access to the ball.
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Well I’ve booked 3 hours with him at the end of the month!
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Take plasters best tip I can give
Also it will feel weird and wrong but go with it to start with as feels easier as you go on
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Went yesterday, what a great setup and what a great coach! Absolutely loved it!
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Went yesterday, what a great setup and what a great coach! Absolutely loved it!
How and when did you book? I emailed him a few weeks ago and got no reply
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Booked it in the start of March, just gave him a ring!
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Went yesterday, what a great setup and what a great coach! Absolutely loved it!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it. He’s a very nice, no-nonsense chap, and I really enjoyed my time with him. Even though I have now decided to revert to my old technique there are a few techniques he recommended that have made their way in to my setup.
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Glad to hear you enjoyed it. He’s a very nice, no-nonsense chap, and I really enjoyed my time with him. Even though I have now decided to revert to my old technique there are a few techniques he recommended that have made their way in to my setup.
Glad for you, SD
This is correct attitude
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@123* , any pointers you can share with us ? :)
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@123* , any pointers you can share with us ? :)
Think you'll have to visit Gary Palmer😀 and share pointers to us 🙂
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I did same as incorporated what I found useful after my two trips
His is simple philosophy but works
Glad you enjoyed it and found it at back of car park