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Title: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on April 15, 2022, 08:07:30 AM
Seems things are moving at the ECB and Joe has stepped aside as England skipper.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Thor Odin’s Son on April 15, 2022, 08:09:59 AM
Right decision. Root was a below average skipper.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: ch1p on April 15, 2022, 08:13:11 AM
Don’t mind it. Really looking forward to him focusing on his runs for the foreseeable and hope it brings him plenty.

Stokes skipper with Rob Key as director of cricket sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: six and out on April 15, 2022, 08:15:21 AM
It was the right time to go.

With a new coach coming in, a new captain can form a new relationship with them etc.....

Is Stokes the only candidate, or are they going to go left field to someone else.

Do we need an interim option until the new coach comes in.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: jonny77 on April 15, 2022, 08:19:24 AM
Probably the right time. Even though Root may not have been the best captain in the world, i think he was and is often unfairly judged. He hasn't exactly had it easy with injuries to key players, management set up and a serious lack of depth/talent/ability in the batting dept. I'm not sure many other captains would have made the side's he's had at his disposal that much better.

At times he's held the team together with his batting too, so at least he's led by example. I'd rather thank him for his efforts than be derogatory.

It will be interesting to see who they give it to next, as there are no obvious candidates really.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on April 15, 2022, 08:37:34 AM
Probably the right call, the one thing we can’t afford to lose is Roots runs and the focus on his captaincy was getting close to hysterical at times.

Now with with Kent fan hat on. Rob Key becomes the next director of cricket, appointments Biliings as captain and he goes on to become the Gilchrist we always wanted and it’s a master stroke from Key. Crawley goes on a run if 8 tons in a calendar year and England win the next word test championship.

In reality stokes is captain as we have no one else
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: ppccopener on April 15, 2022, 09:33:40 AM
Right decision I think, if only because the job may have worn him down and we need his runs far more than his Captaincy. I think 5 years is about the maximum shelf life of a skipper

Interesting which way we go now, I would not be surprised if someone outside the team was given the job.

In my time watching England Root is up there as good as anyone I’ve seen, it hopefully will be an even better period with the bat for him. He is head and shoulders above anyone else
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Kulli on April 15, 2022, 09:45:30 AM

Barney Ronay on The Grade Cricketer last week was saying that Stokes has continuously said that he has no captaincy ambitions because he's Root's best mate and doesn't want to undermine him publicly. Now Root has stepped down it's a different situation. I imagine he'll put his hand up.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 15, 2022, 10:39:49 AM
Finally!
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: More Glue Than Wood on April 15, 2022, 10:49:43 AM
good news overall - root not a natural skipper and it seems to weigh on him too much - hopefully this will help his batting too as he can now concentrate fully on it without having the problems of skipper on his shoulders

just hope if they go for stokes he will not be another botham/flintoff style skipper - time will only tell - unless there is a left field skipper waiting in the wings!!!
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 15, 2022, 10:50:50 AM
good news overall - root not a natural skipper and it seems to weigh on him too much - hopefully this will help his batting too as he can now concentrate fully on it without having the problems of skipper on his shoulders

just hope if they go for stokes he will not be another botham/flintoff style skipper - time will only tell - unless there is a left field skipper waiting in the wings!!!

If they choose Burns I will actually cry
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: More Glue Than Wood on April 15, 2022, 10:51:41 AM
If they choose Burns I will actually cry

i think he might cry too if they choose him  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: ppccopener on April 15, 2022, 11:15:02 AM
I do hope Stokes is not given it he has enough on his plate.

If it’s outside the actual team and they want someone experienced at County level and has some international too I don’t think Vince is the worst shout.

But the options appear to be fairly slim at the moment.

Maybe an interim skipper to see how the next year goes with the team.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: rickjames on April 15, 2022, 11:44:26 AM
Burns when he captains Surrey does a decent enough job, but he's not the incumbent.

They'll do some weird thing and inevitably give it to Bairstow
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: six and out on April 15, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Current betting on the next England Test Captain is -

Stokes 4/6
Broad 7/1
Billings, YJB, Crawley 9/1
Abell, Foakes 16/1
Burns, Moeen, Anderson 25/1
Pope, Vince 28/1
Sibley 33/1
Morgan 200/1

Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: jonny77 on April 15, 2022, 01:36:01 PM
Current betting on the next England Test Captain is -

Stokes 4/6
Broad 7/1
Billings, YJB, Crawley 9/1
Abell, Foakes 16/1
Burns, Moeen, Anderson 25/1
Pope, Vince 28/1
Sibley 33/1
Morgan 200/1

The fact half those names are on there shows how desperate the situation is! 😆
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: billyb on April 15, 2022, 01:36:23 PM
I'd pick Vince based on gut feeling.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 15, 2022, 02:32:08 PM
Vince at 28/1? Robert Key used to coach Crawley so could be him. Or Burns lol
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 15, 2022, 02:34:39 PM
Remember that this is England. Surely it will be Stokes?
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Duck Duck Mongoose on April 15, 2022, 02:39:01 PM
Got to be Stokes, him and Root are the only two nailed on to play every game. I also think he's the type of person who will really step up into the role.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 15, 2022, 02:46:11 PM
In all seriousness,I think it would be a really good statement with regard mental health and it’s impact on one’s career.
Just because he has suffered from poor mental health recently should not stop him from being England captain. That is discrimination.

Just goes to show what people can achieve given the right help and support.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on April 15, 2022, 04:17:14 PM
There isn't anyone we could discriminate against him in favour of!
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on April 15, 2022, 06:26:43 PM
Also Rob Key is going to be DOC.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on April 15, 2022, 07:30:29 PM
Also Rob Key is going to be DOC.

What qualifies him for this post?
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 15, 2022, 07:54:22 PM
Also Rob Key is going to be DOC.

It’s official then
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 15, 2022, 07:55:23 PM
There isn't anyone we could discriminate against him in favour of!

Very fair point
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: thegowerwaft on April 17, 2022, 01:15:04 PM
It’s official then

Now confirmed:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/61132439 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/61132439)
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 17, 2022, 02:25:24 PM
Now confirmed:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/61132439 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/61132439)
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Thoughts? I do wonder who else was interviewed as part of this thorough recruitment process
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: SD on April 17, 2022, 04:33:46 PM
It does seem to me that the senior cricketing posts with the ECB will become more difficult to fill.  You can have an easier life in journalism or a more lucrative and less time demanding one in T20 leagues

I think Key is a pretty reasonable appointment personally.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: pie-man on April 18, 2022, 08:30:23 AM
What qualifies him for this post?

I agree with this.  I like Rob Key, but not many MD's have no qualifications or experience.  Im not sure the competition was strong enough and he may the only option, rather than the best option.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on April 18, 2022, 12:04:30 PM
What qualifies him for this post?

Of the people who applied, by the end of the process he was the only one who hadn't dropped out.

I want to know why Marcus North dropped out personally.

Separately to Key.
I have a strong view that nobody who is leaving an organisation should be allowed to hire or be involved in the hiring process of a new member of staff.
In this instance, Harrison was involved and he is leaving plus Strauss is interim so also leaving.
Ultimately what should have happened here is the new chairman should have been appointed, then the CEO then the DOC.

It will be interesting to see who gets the CEO and Chairman roles.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 18, 2022, 01:15:36 PM
Of the people who applied, by the end of the process he was the only one who hadn't dropped out.

I want to know why Marcus North dropped out personally.

Separately to Key.
I have a strong view that nobody who is leaving an organisation should be allowed to hire or be involved in the hiring process of a new member of staff.
In this instance, Harrison was involved and he is leaving plus Strauss is interim so also leaving.
Ultimately what should have happened here is the new chairman should have been appointed, then the CEO then the DOC.

It will be interesting to see who gets the CEO and Chairman roles.

Sounds like a really efficient recruitment process!Is there a date yet for Harrison to leave? He can’t leave soon enough.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on April 18, 2022, 08:21:09 PM
Key replaces Strauss. I think Marcus North was up for the head coach role.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: potzy248 on April 18, 2022, 08:27:05 PM
So when Stokes gets injured and misses entire tours what's the plan?
Also, he is hardly consistent himself. Don't get me wrong he is a great player on his day and will have the respect of everyone I just don't see his body holding out for much longer in Red ball cricket.

If Root was a bad captain for 5 years then thats also on the management of the entire team for not progressing him.

I think the whole thing is a shambles from an outsiders perspective. NZ did the same with Taylor but we had McCullum waiting in the wings to take us in a new direction.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on April 18, 2022, 08:27:12 PM
No, I correct myself. North was in the frame for managing director job.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 18, 2022, 08:35:31 PM
So when Stokes gets injured and misses entire tours what's the plan?
Also, he is hardly consistent himself. Don't get me wrong he is a great player on his day and will have the respect of everyone I just don't see his body holding out for much longer in Red ball cricket.

If Root was a bad captain for 5 years then thats also on the management of the entire team for not progressing him.

I think the whole thing is a shambles from an outsiders perspective. NZ did the same with Taylor but we had McCullum waiting in the wings to take us in a new direction.

You make a lot of good points. At least if he’s skipper, you would hope he could manage his bowling workload a bit better than Root did- often over- bowling him. What happened with Ross Taylor and the captaincy- was there some kind of coup?
We have hardly had a consistent side especially batting wise, which is probably why Root has carried on for so long.
But yeah- total shambles. And meanwhile Butler has just smashed another ton in the IPL- so frustrating that he couldn’t translate this to the test arena, as by all accounts he has a good cricket brain.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: jonny77 on April 18, 2022, 09:06:42 PM
Has Stokes said Root over bowled him? I've only seen quotes from Stokes thanking Root and praising him as captain.

Stokes for me isn't the answer as captain, but but sure who is tbf.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Twelfth Man on April 18, 2022, 09:10:34 PM
It worries me where we’re going to be come the summer. I only truly got into cricket around the time of the ‘05 Ashes. Have we ever been in such a predicament. Was this what it was like when Freddie skippered the 06/07 Ashes where we felt like he had to do it like we are with Stokes? Has there been a moment before where we don’t know who the next in line would be?
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 18, 2022, 09:15:04 PM
Has Stokes said Root over bowled him? I've only seen quotes from Stokes thanking Root and praising him as captain.

Stokes for me isn't the answer as captain, but but sure who is tbf.
No, it’s just my opinion that Root had a habit of over bowling fast bowlers, including Stokes. Stokes wouldn’t admit it out of loyalty.
And by the same token showed a complete lack of faith in spin bowlers. If you don’t rate them, don’t pick them.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: jonny77 on April 18, 2022, 09:34:46 PM
No, it’s just my opinion that Root had a habit of over bowling fast bowlers, including Stokes. Stokes wouldn’t admit it out of loyalty.
And by the same token showed a complete lack of faith in spin bowlers. If you don’t rate them, don’t pick them.

Ah right, thought I'd missed it. Suppose only Root or Stokes could confirm this though for sure. I've said it before but i struggle to believe Stokes, Archer or whoever wouldn't say if they felt they were being over bowled to the point of becoming injured personally.

We've struggled for a class spinner since Swann tbf, but you've got to try some i suppose. I take your point tho, but it's not just Root picking the team either.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: potzy248 on April 18, 2022, 10:10:17 PM
You make a lot of good points. At least if he’s skipper, you would hope he could manage his bowling workload a bit better than Root did- often over- bowling him. What happened with Ross Taylor and the captaincy- was there some kind of coup?
We have hardly had a consistent side especially batting wise, which is probably why Root has carried on for so long.
But yeah- total shambles. And meanwhile Butler has just smashed another ton in the IPL- so frustrating that he couldn’t translate this to the test arena, as by all accounts he has a good cricket brain.

When Hesson took over he and McCullum took the captaincy from Taylor. Long story short the team was split with supporters of Taylor and McCullum but Hesson like McCullum from his time with Otago. The country was up in arms with the decision and called for Hesson's and McCullums heads...10 years later it has been the most prosperous time for NZC.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: SD on April 18, 2022, 11:59:45 PM
Of the people who applied, by the end of the process he was the only one who hadn't dropped out.

I want to know why Marcus North dropped out personally.

Separately to Key.
I have a strong view that nobody who is leaving an organisation should be allowed to hire or be involved in the hiring process of a new member of staff.
In this instance, Harrison was involved and he is leaving plus Strauss is interim so also leaving.
Ultimately what should have happened here is the new chairman should have been appointed, then the CEO then the DOC.

It will be interesting to see who gets the CEO and Chairman roles.

Is the timing not a problem in this case? I wasn't aware that Harrison is even confirmed to be leaving yet and a Chair seems unlikely to be appointed before May.  I am not sure the side can go into the international summer without a DOC, head coach or captain.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: SLA on April 19, 2022, 12:54:54 PM
Was Root ever actually taught how to be a test captain at any point? He didn't really have any previous experience of, eg, captaining a county team, and he played in a team under Cook, who was also a crap tactician.

I feel like its a bit harsh to criticise him.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on April 19, 2022, 05:30:22 PM
Is the timing not a problem in this case? I wasn't aware that Harrison is even confirmed to be leaving yet and a Chair seems unlikely to be appointed before May.  I am not sure the side can go into the international summer without a DOC, head coach or captain.

Sure, if there was a chairman, Harrison would have been sacked a while ago... 😂
The man has piffled the ECBs £70 million of reserves up the wall and trashed our cricket with it. What a legacy.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: crystalmais on April 26, 2022, 12:38:45 PM
Sure, if there was a chairman, Harrison would have been sacked a while ago... 😂
The man has piffled the ECBs £70 million of reserves up the wall and trashed our cricket with it. What a legacy.

I have met some people who have been employed at the ECB during his tenure - he's destroyed the organisation is their opinion. Strauss made a mess of the Coach Education Programme by bringing in John Neale back in 2017 who totally changed the programme
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Devondumpling00 on April 28, 2022, 10:20:40 AM
Stokes is the man!

Was there really any other option?
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: JTtaylor145 on April 28, 2022, 10:41:00 AM
There really isn't another option than Stokes.

I'm not sure whether he is a great role model in my opinion but I also accept that might not be that important to many people.

Good luck to him but I see it as a short term appointment. I'm not sure his body can really cope with the amount of overs he has been bowling in test cricket.

Lets hope he does well and turns things around.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Devondumpling00 on April 28, 2022, 10:46:58 AM
There really isn't another option than Stokes.

I'm not sure whether he is a great role model in my opinion but I also accept that might not be that important to many people.

Good luck to him but I see it as a short term appointment. I'm not sure his body can really cope with the amount of overs he has been bowling in test cricket.

Lets hope he does well and turns things around.

I guess in theory, now he is captain, he can listen to his body more and not wear himself into the ground again. He can bat where he wants, how he wants and how little or often he bowls and I think that can only be a good thing for his longevity.

As role models go, I think his performances as a cricketer outweigh any negative impressions he has on young adults or youngsters. I hope it does anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: crystalmais on April 28, 2022, 12:05:08 PM
I'm not sure they had any other options other than Stokes. Hope it doesn't effect his game.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: ppccopener on April 28, 2022, 12:53:31 PM
I don’t think there were really any other options. I think the opposite of some above views, we’ve seen Root turn to Stokes time and again on days 4 and 5 to get a breakthrough in so many matches.
 The danger is he may think he should take on even more.

Interesting many press predicting a swift return for Broad and Anderson…I think Stokes could certainly do with some strong characters around him
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on April 28, 2022, 04:24:40 PM
 Let’s face it- the ECB were never going to go for a complete rookie from outside the recent squad. Pleased for Stokes and he deserves this opportunity. He also thanked Joe Root in his statement which showed a bit of class and good grace.

Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: edge on May 04, 2022, 06:07:44 AM
Stokes saying he'll bat at 6... very good news for Bairstow, or very bad news?
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on May 04, 2022, 07:27:32 AM
More like bad news for Foakes.
I can see Bairstow batting at 7 and keeping and being the vice captain.

I do think Stokes should bat at 6 though.
I also think Root should bat at 4.

Pick your best players in their best places.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: edge on May 04, 2022, 07:44:31 AM
Yeah exactly, could well be bad news for Foakes given Bairstow is unlikely to bat 5 long term.

Definitely in favour of Stokes and 6 and Root at 4. The other four spots in the top six are a bit pin the tail on the donkey at the minute though... At least Lees has been in the runs!
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Jimbo on May 04, 2022, 08:28:11 AM
Lees and Haines to open, Bohannon 3, Root 4, Bairstow 5, Stokes 6 has a nice ring to it...
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: edge on May 04, 2022, 08:35:09 AM
I'd love to see Rob Key hastily arrange an England v England A warmup game.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Thor Odin’s Son on May 04, 2022, 08:56:00 AM
You Poms should be looking at Harry Brook. Kid is a potential superstar. Averaging 150+ for the white rose this summer.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Jimbo on May 04, 2022, 09:19:27 AM
You Poms should be looking at Harry Brook. Kid is a potential superstar. Averaging 150+ for the white rose this summer.

If he keeps up this kind of form he'd be difficult to ignore completely. Still young though at 23 so prone to a sudden loss of form like he had in white ball over the winter.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on May 04, 2022, 09:28:17 AM
You Poms should be looking at Harry Brook. Kid is a potential superstar. Averaging 150+ for the white rose this summer.

Harry Brook is going to be a real star.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: rickjames on May 11, 2022, 01:17:20 PM
McCullum seems to be the frontrunner for the test coach job. Suffice to say I think that's turned a few heads, but could definitely be interesting...
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on May 11, 2022, 02:40:37 PM
Wasn’t expecting this… could be fun
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Warneymonster on May 11, 2022, 02:51:28 PM
with the captain already picked by key, i wonder if a few coaches opted out.

Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on May 11, 2022, 03:19:56 PM
McCullum seems to be the frontrunner for the test coach job. Suffice to say I think that's turned a few heads, but could definitely be interesting...

The ECB is leakier than my sieve. I have absolutely no idea of this is a good appointment or not. It could be inspired, but he has zero track record to fall back on, unlike some of the other contenders.

Key got his job during a round of golf with Strauss. McCullum is Key and Morgan's mate.

It just smacks of jobs for the boys and no proper process.

It may be that both will do a good job. But this is a real gamble.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: rickjames on May 11, 2022, 03:59:10 PM
Well Kirsten's issue seems to apparently be a lack of committment, if he's not in for the long haul then it's pointless even considering him
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Manormanic on May 11, 2022, 04:31:07 PM
If he keeps up this kind of form he'd be difficult to ignore completely. Still young though at 23 so prone to a sudden loss of form like he had in white ball over the winter.

I'm not sure that that was a loss of form so much as frequently going in late in run chases and having little to no time to settle.

Is he going to be a top player?  Hell yes.

Would I pick him straight away?  I might wait till the second half of the Summer. 
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: ppccopener on May 11, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
There appears to be a real lack of choice for the ECB top job and the coaches.
English cricket does not appear to be the plum job anymore, on and off the field we seem to be lacking options
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: potzy248 on May 11, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
There appears to be a real lack of choice for the ECB top job and the coaches.
English cricket does not appear to be the plum job anymore, on and off the field we seem to be lacking options

Wow! Can't believe McCullum is in the running. He certainly doesn't need the money so is doing for the challenge. He wont die wondering that's for sure. I think it's a great option.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Manormanic on May 11, 2022, 07:29:08 PM
Well he passes the test that Moores and Silverwood failed: noone is going to look at him in the dressing room and go "what has this bloke ever done?"
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: ppccopener on May 11, 2022, 07:56:49 PM
Yes agree with that. You would of thought the one day position would suit his style more but our Test side is definatley a challenging job.

His style is very aggressive so it will be interesting to see how he adapts himself….unless we are going all guns blazing from the off  :)

Liked watching him as a player thou and he stopped NZ being timid as a player and Captain.

Lots to admire, I thought we would go with Kirsten for the Test job myself.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: FattusCattus on May 11, 2022, 08:06:05 PM
McCullum + Stokes + Morgan = Bloody well getting on with it!!!

This is going to be epic!
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Manormanic on May 11, 2022, 08:10:14 PM
With the one day side though, you are really just rubber stamping Morgan's decisions and will be similar, one suspects, when Buttler inevitably takes over. There is a long production line of talent, and a "house style" of playing.

There is a lot more to do with the red ball side, and Mccullum may be the ideal man - one of the things you noticed with his Kiwi sides was that they played positive cricket, but that that did not mean everyone was pushed to be the same - the more classical players stayed technically the same, but we're encouraged to show intent. You imagine that Sibley, for example, would be encouraged to rotate the strike rather more.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: KettonJake on May 11, 2022, 08:38:38 PM
McCullum + Stokes + Morgan = Bloody well getting on with it!!!

This is going to be epic!

I'm going to day one at Lords, I'm assuming a similar outcome as the last time i was there (day one of the Ireland game) is inevitable!
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: six and out on May 12, 2022, 07:47:08 AM
I am interested if Key is still splitting the coaching roles if McCullum is appointed?

McCullum is primarily a white ball coach, so apart from the logistics surely he could do both jobs
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: FattusCattus on May 12, 2022, 07:50:05 AM
Let's guess a McCullum / Stokes 'Bloody Well Getting on with it' Test XI eh?

Surely Roy, YJB, Buttler, Morgan, Tresco and himself in the top 6, Stokes at 7 and probably keeping, then Liam Livingstone and a random bunch of Medium-paced seamers!
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Jimbo on May 12, 2022, 08:09:09 AM
Let's guess a McCullum / Stokes 'Bloody Well Getting on with it' Test XI eh?

Surely Roy, YJB, Buttler, Morgan, Tresco and himself in the top 6, Stokes at 7 and probably keeping, then Liam Livingstone and a random bunch of Medium-paced seamers!

TCurran, Jordan and SCurran. Nothing but wide yorkers and poorly bowled cutters, every test, everywhere.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: mo_town on May 12, 2022, 09:14:06 AM
McCullum feels like a massive overcorrection in my opinion. Will be interesting to see how the team shapes up under Baz/Stokes
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on May 12, 2022, 10:21:38 AM
TCurran, Jordan and SCurran. Nothing but wide yorkers and poorly bowled cutters, every test, everywhere.

That take should wag too. Got a lot of time for that
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 12, 2022, 12:03:28 PM
Someone on here is bound to know better whatever they do. I'm not sure why they even bothered to have interviews.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Thor Odin’s Son on May 12, 2022, 01:07:31 PM
Seems like a panic decision by ECB if you ask me. This current era of test cricket is most fast bowler friendly since the 90s.
I don’t see how McCullum swing for the frames mentality helps the Poms batting.
His returns in coaching in general hasn’t been overly impressive.
Anyway best of luck to Baz…not to much mind you…
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: golders on May 12, 2022, 01:33:58 PM
I’m surprised they haven’t gone for an experienced, proven coach who seemed keen like Gary Kirsten.

But what do I know.

Let’s hope the job wasn’t offered on a golf course but I wouldn’t be surprised!

Fingers crossed it all works out.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: crystalmais on May 12, 2022, 02:45:08 PM
Bit of a leftfield choice. Was not expecting this. I was a fan of him batting, so looking forward to see how he shapes up with the Test squad.

Wonder how much he knows about County Cricket though and the talent pool he will have to choose from.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Bungle on May 12, 2022, 03:06:59 PM
Very surprised they actually went with appointing him, but happy that they have made a brave decision and hopefully stick to it. Excited to see if anything changes.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: brokenbat on May 12, 2022, 03:49:09 PM
Finally some bold decisions being made.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/brendon-mccullum-educated-punt-gives-england-test-team-an-overdue-sense-of-identity-1314655 (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/brendon-mccullum-educated-punt-gives-england-test-team-an-overdue-sense-of-identity-1314655)
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: potzy248 on May 12, 2022, 06:27:22 PM
The swing for the hills mentality for batting was only for himself. He knew he played his best cricket when he batted like that. He's good at letting players be themselves and embraces that. Obviously his philosophy is geared towards positive cricket but that doesn't mean playing T20 in test matches. He will be great for your dressing room. He will bring a team first attitude where ego's get put aside for the betterment of the team goals. Great appointment.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: ppccopener on May 12, 2022, 07:11:14 PM
I think it’s a gamble, I expected an experience Test style coach.

However….Stokes is very much team first and McCullum is the same. He changed NZ cricket after a difficult transition from Taylor
Williamson seems to have carried it in to his credit too.

And I’ve no doubt his big friend Morgan has benefitted from seeing how that was done. Perhaps that’s why Morgan was so keen on team first and ultimate trust as we have seen with players like Hales.

Also…you could argue we have gone nowhere in 3 years so what does it matter he has no longer form coaching credentials.

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I’m cautiously optimistic.  :)
 
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Warneymonster on May 13, 2022, 08:21:01 AM
with the right coaching set up it has strong potential. the batting has had major issues and without proper help it wont change.

Would love to see us bat positively and look solid.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Manormanic on May 13, 2022, 08:37:05 AM
with the right coaching set up it has strong potential. the batting has had major issues and without proper help it wont change.

Would love to see us bat positively and look solid.

As I have said elsewhere, I don't think McCullum will bring an ODI mentality to this; instead, what I think he will work on is getting each player to express themselves in a positive manner; even if that only means a more active approach to looking to rotate the strike amongst the top order batsmen.

Somewhere England have struggled since Cook went is in their pacing at the top of the innings - it has either been utterly frantic (Roy, Crawley on occasion) or you have had batsmen looking to dig in for the long haul and getting themselves into a dead bat dark alley (Denly, Sibley, Burns, Hameed, Lees etc).  Any one of those players could do a much better job, but it requires them to be able to maintain a rate of scoring, something Cook was often underrated for.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: colonelsanders on May 13, 2022, 10:24:54 AM
Almost... didn't apply but smashed the interview.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/brendon-mccullum-england-cricket-coach-interview-rob-key-1627662


I’m surprised they haven’t gone for an experienced, proven coach who seemed keen like Gary Kirsten.

But what do I know.

Let’s hope the job wasn’t offered on a golf course but I wouldn’t be surprised!

Fingers crossed it all works out.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on May 13, 2022, 10:29:28 AM
Open question, but I could give a brilliant interview with a compelling vision for the English test team, how is this a good way to hire a coach, against someone who has a full CV as a successful test match cricket coach.
I am really not sure that is how you judge a good cricket coach.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: JTtaylor145 on May 13, 2022, 10:39:15 AM
They obviously didn't behavioural style interview questions, which in my 27 years of working in Human Resources I've found to be the best style of interviewing.

Anyone could say anything about what they intend to do and what their vision is.

Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Jimbo on May 13, 2022, 10:58:52 AM
Open question, but I could give a brilliant interview with a compelling vision for the English test team, how is this a good way to hire a coach, against someone who has a full CV as a successful test match cricket coach.
I am really not sure that is how you judge a good cricket coach.

I hope McCullum is a success but this is an absolutely moronic reason to choose someone as an elite international sports coach. Wasn't this the same rationale for the decision to choose Silverwood over Kirsten last time round as well?
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on May 13, 2022, 12:38:16 PM
Indeed yes. The ECB had form.

I also agree I really want McCullum and Stokes to lead a renaissance in English test cricket.
But we needed Kirsten first and then McCullum in my view.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: joeljonno on May 13, 2022, 12:55:57 PM
I hope McCullum is a success but this is an absolutely moronic reason to choose someone as an elite international sports coach. Wasn't this the same rationale for the decision to choose Silverwood over Kirsten last time round as well?

Interviewing is a two-way street though.  We don't know whether Gary Kirsten turned it down, or whether there were other mitigating factors that gave McCullum the role over Kirsten, such as personal demands or needs taht cannot be acoomodated.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: brokenbat on May 13, 2022, 02:58:41 PM
The swing for the hills mentality for batting was only for himself. He knew he played his best cricket when he batted like that. He's good at letting players be themselves and embraces that. Obviously his philosophy is geared towards positive cricket but that doesn't mean playing T20 in test matches. He will be great for your dressing room. He will bring a team first attitude where ego's get put aside for the betterment of the team goals. Great appointment.

Very interesting how us non-English people are more excited about this than the England supporters. I second this. It is a fantastic appointment and great for both English cricket, as well as the game in general
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: potzy248 on May 13, 2022, 07:00:29 PM
Very interesting how us non-English people are more excited about this than the England supporters. I second this. It is a fantastic appointment and great for both English cricket, as well as the game in general

We might feel the same if it was our team and a left field appointment happened. I know NZ would probably be the same if a McCullum type rugby player took over the All Blacks. I think it's more of a cautious, optimistic response from the English fans at the moment who are also quietly excited for what could happen.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: ppccopener on May 13, 2022, 07:24:31 PM
We might feel the same if it was our team and a left field appointment happened. I know NZ would probably be the same if a McCullum type rugby player took over the All Blacks. I think it's more of a cautious, optimistic response from the English fans at the moment who are also quietly excited for what could happen.

That’s spot on because we are used to the ECB rarely taking risks with the top job or the coaches. I think myself it’s a risk but our performances have been poor for the last couple of years so something needed to change.

The emphasis on team and ‘no dickheads’ has worked under McCullum and Williamson. Both are tough but Williamson especially is very low key and we see a very good side.

One thing we have been promised in the press is more straight talking under the new Captain and coach.

That’s a good start and I hope we get it.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: adb club cricketer on May 13, 2022, 11:49:22 PM
Excited to see what Mccullum brings to the table. Bold decision but good to see courage from Key to try drastic changes which I feel are needed.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: six and out on May 15, 2022, 08:19:04 PM
Matthew Mott now favourite for the white ball job.

Very cunning from Rob Key, help the ladies team out at the same time by removing the oppo's coach.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/05/15/matthew-mott-moves-ahead-paul-collingwood-race-englands-next/?utm_content=sport&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652643343-1 (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/05/15/matthew-mott-moves-ahead-paul-collingwood-race-englands-next/?utm_content=sport&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652643343-1)
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: Buzz on May 16, 2022, 09:53:23 AM
Not sure, I heard that Collingwood has been given the white balk job.

Edit... Seems I could be wrong... Happens occasionally.
Title: Re: Joe Root steps down as skipper
Post by: six and out on May 18, 2022, 09:10:04 AM
Matthew Mott now favourite for the white ball job.

Very cunning from Rob Key, help the ladies team out at the same time by removing the oppo's coach.

[url]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/05/15/matthew-mott-moves-ahead-paul-collingwood-race-englands-next/?utm_content=sport&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652643343-1[/url] ([url]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/05/15/matthew-mott-moves-ahead-paul-collingwood-race-englands-next/?utm_content=sport&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652643343-1[/url])


Mott confirmed as White ball coach on 4 year contract not sure where it leaves Collingwood.

'Mott appointed England men's white-ball head coach'

http://www.skysports.com/share/12614551 (http://www.skysports.com/share/12614551)