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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Sareen Sports => Topic started by: thegowerwaft on September 27, 2023, 08:07:46 AM
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Interesting to see the number of England players now using SS. Didn't see them on the pitch in huge numbers at club level this year - will be interesting to see if there are more next season.
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Awful lot of Asian lads in our leagues use SS or TON branded bats. Most seem to go nicely but those handles are awful.
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Handles are aweful
They used to be thicker 3- 4 years ago but they decided for nearly every bat I have seen thin handles to save scale weight
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Quite simply, SS pay the most. With all the franchise leagues in the world now it's about far more than just UK sales - every SS scoring a ton (;)) in the IPL is worth £££ in sub-continent sales regardless of the nationality of the player who's hit the runs.
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SS are definitely among the best bats in the world! A thin handle is a small price to pay for a meaty and pingy bat! Lots of talk about the poor quality of handles but I have never seen a high grade SS bat handle crack. The thing is that SS bats are very popular because of their low ££ and most of these bats used in club cricket are entry/mid level mass produced bats.
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SS are definitely among the best bats in the world! A thin handle is a small price to pay for a meaty and pingy bat! Lots of talk about the poor quality of handles but I have never seen a high grade SS bat handle crack. The thing is that SS bats are very popular because of their low ££ and most of these bats used in club cricket are entry/mid level mass produced bats.
I have to say, I've seen a few crack.
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Is it true that a lot of the SS & Ton bats are over- dried to meet weight/size criteria so prone to breaking?
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Interesting behind the scenes look sat SS. Is in Hindi but I'm sure the visuals are of interest. Especially the scale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7D6PnaTUFU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7D6PnaTUFU)
PS the SG one is better, at one point you see some kooks in the background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXx3k6UIswk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXx3k6UIswk)
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Is it true that a lot of the SS & Ton bats are over- dried to meet weight/size criteria so prone to breaking?
Don't know about this but I have bought 4 SG and SS bats in the last year and all have been about 4mm less on the width from my Kook and GN bats. Not a huge amount and you wouldn't notice if you didn't have a bat gauge. This would definitely help keep the weights down a bit.
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Watching that SG video having been in the Keeley factory, OMG!! The size of the place is off the chart!
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Is it true that a lot of the SS & Ton bats are over- dried to meet weight/size criteria so prone to breaking?
Basically yes. A factor is the heat that the manufacturer is based upon but they do tend to air dry in very hot conditions and dry the clefts out more than we do or could in the UK.
They also are pretty much always between 3-5mm narrow between the face and back of the bat and the edges tend to be angled backwards to which again removes a few mm. A standard rule tends to be that each mm off the edge save an ounce all round so if you take for example a bat with identical dimensions in terms of edge, spine etc and it’s full 108mm front and back with straight edges and it’s 2lb 12oz it’s safe to say that the brand that uses a 105mm face and possibly 103mm back of the bat would be 2lb 7oz to 2lb 8oz add in the very thing handles vs say a GM, Salix etc then that’s how you can generally produce light bats with bigger volumes. I also feel they don’t ever pick up particularly well with the thin handles so people add a grip or two and it defies the objective as you end up making your 2lb 8 bat 2lb 10oz to 2lb 12oz anyway
Is this right?? Well I guess that’s up to the buyer. I can’t stand it personally and I’m sure it’s mental but no matter what kook, SS, SG ever produce i wouldn’t as it just plays on my mind. I’m very upfront with some one that asks me to make them a 40mm edge full profile bat that generally I can’t do it below 2lb 11oz with a light cleft and i try and educate that the edge size being 34/35mm but at your desired or required weight range is far better for you than a big bat that’s to heavy for you.
SS certainly perform though by and large
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It’s not great although I have heard many times pros international are using less width bats too
SS and SG
I get the argument they are pros and hit out the middle way more than recreational pkayers can dream of .
I’m not a fan though of these skinny handle less width bats , poorly balanced
Saying that if they are hand picked not all are like that from SS and Sg but majority are as routine
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Have had a few SS/Ton bats and a couple of them have been outstanding ping-wise, the best was a relatively cheap Master 7000 which was ridiculously light but went like a rocket. That’s stood up to some hard use without issue, and thickening up the handle with medical tape did the job. Normally considerably narrowed as said above.
Was lucky enough to do a refurb on an international player’s Ton match bat earlier this year. Absolutely unreal, filled the gauge at 2.10 and was max width. Despite having massive delam it still seriously pinged.
I’m waiting for a custom order from the factory to be finished at the moment - player duckbill shape, minimum 107mm width and SB/LH. Expensive but has the potential to be an almighty stick 😅
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A standard rule tends to be that each mm off the edge save an ounce all round so if you take for example a bat with identical dimensions in terms of edge, spine etc and it’s full 108mm front and back with straight edges and it’s 2lb 12oz it’s safe to say that the brand that uses a 105mm face and possibly 103mm back of the bat would be 2lb 7oz to 2lb 8oz
Your weight saving isn't as significant as that. If a bat was only 100mm wide and weighed in at 3lb (48 ounces), each mm would still amount to less than half an ounce and that assumes that the bat is a uniform depth across the width of the blade when in reality the edges aren't as deep as the middle. I would suggest on a normal weight bat, each mm lost of the edge would amount to 1/4 ounce in weight at most
The biggest single factor for me is the removal of moisture from the blade and I guess there is no consensus as to the optimum moisture content of a bat for performance alone (I.e. leaving aside longevity)
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Be great to see your bat when it arrives
I’m waiting for a custom order from the factory to be finished at the moment - player duckbill shape, minimum 107mm width and SB/LH. Expensive but has the potential to be an almighty stick 😅
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It’s not great although I have heard many times pros international are using less width bats too
I've got one of Finn Allen's from the recent NZ games - it's 102mm wide. Thing is bloody huge though.
Difference is the pros don't tend to need the edges like we do lol
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Is that the face width? Wins the prize for narrowest I’ve heard of if so 😅
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Is that the face width? Wins the prize for narrowest I’ve heard of if so 😅
Yeah agreed, I've seen plenty around 105mm but this is probably the narrowest SH I've seen - still not particularly noticeable until lined up next to a normal width bat though.
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I've got one of Finn Allen's from the recent NZ games - it's 102mm wide. Thing is bloody huge though.
Difference is the pros don't tend to need the edges like we do lol
Just goes to show that even for the pros something has to be compromised. The combination of huge specs, super light weights, massive edges, full backs, full width and height doesn’t exist most of the time. Somethings got to give.
Having said that, them SS bats sure do fly, Jatin makes a mean bat alright…
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It could also be related to the fairly flexi handles the superior performance
Which also tend to break on occasion …
Whereas some uk brands have much less flex unless there has been substantial use
Personally I would hate to have a 102-103mm bat